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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / August 2007HDL frustration
I just got my lab results back. I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL up. Omega3, Niacin, & Pantethine everyday, green vegetables 'til I'm sick of 'em, careful not to overdo or underdo my diet, excercise and more excercise, .... and my HDL level moved up from 30 to only 37. This is ridiculous. I was hoping for a minimum of 45-50 by now and the best I can do is 37 My LDL looked fine at 54 (52 last year) but that's no big deal, it's always been low. Anyhow, just wanted to vent. At least it's headed in the right direction. Maybe by the time I'm 90 it'll be up where I'd like it to be. Port > I just got my lab results back. > I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Port Try just standing. Go to a wall and find what perpendicular is. Then try to replicate it in your living room. Lot's of pain will force you to make minor adjustments. Stand for 2 minutes and work up. Chinese stuff. Up to ......... No guarantee Bill  SignatureS Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote: > I just got my lab results back. > I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Port Suspect you still have too much VAT especially if your WHR is more than 0.85. It is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us, lowering our HDL. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert or others in the newsgroup. Port@nospam.invalid wrote in part: >I just got my lab results back. >I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >direction. Maybe by the time I'm 90 it'll be up where I'd like it to >be. I've kept records on my own case for quite a while. My HDL has been most increased by weight loss and %fat in my diet (or decreased by %carb). Make of it what you will. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA William Wagner wrote: > Try just standing. Standing?? You mean like... at attention? I can do that, no prob. Years ago, I did it a LOT (Military School). Is this a Yoga excercise? "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote: >Suspect you still have too much VAT especially if your WHR is more >than 0.85. I broke down and bought a tape measure. Lo and behold, you're correct. I'm at 0.888888 I'll need to get 1.4" off my waist to get me to 0.85. That's probably doable. >It is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing) that our >bodies get rid of the VAT It's definitly not laughing. Will growling count as "singing"? :-) truth wrote: >Any question his >opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert >or others in the newsgroup. I may be a newbie to heart disease but I'm not a newbie to usenet. I can't imagine anyone accepting anything on usenet without checking it out further. Thanks for your concern. >I've kept records on my own case for quite a while. My HDL has been most >increased by weight loss and %fat in my diet (or decreased by %carb). I've never been heavy but I've lost a little anyway. Did it mostly by quitting bread (sandwiches etc) and junk (donuts etc). Maybe I can get rid of another couple pounds, I'm going to try. I've always been active. have a treadmill and a home gym and get plenty excercise. IOW, my lifestyle changes have not been dramatic. There wasn't much room to do better unless I want to be obsessive. I've found that by trying to quit carbs, there's no way. I can only cut back, which I've done (seems there's carbs in practically everything). Same with fat except I've done a better job of cutting down on it. I can't remember eating any transfats at all in the last year. So I'm eating more protein. When you cut out fats and carbs, that's about all there is left. And supplements. Omega3, Niacin, and Pantethine although I just ran out. Susan apparently had good luck with it but I may not bother with it again. I dunno. If you see anything I'm doing or not doing here, let me know. oh! I'm taking Lipitor which, I'm now thinking, might be what's holding my HDL down. I'll talk to my Internist about it next week but I already know what he's going to say. He thinks, and so does my cardiologist, that LDL is what counts. They're both real happy with my LDL (54) and don't seem to give a rip about HDL. Anyhow, thanks for the replies. Port Port@nospam.invalid wrote in part: >>I've kept records on my own case for quite a while. My HDL has been most >>increased by weight loss and %fat in my diet (or decreased by %carb). [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >LDL is what counts. They're both real happy with my LDL (54) and don't >seem to give a rip about HDL. I think you would see your HDL rise if you *increased* rather than *decreased* %fat, as long as it isn't high on saturated fat. You can't drop both %carbs and %fat. Drop the %carbs to boost HDL and improve the TGL/HDL ratio, too. Increasing monosaturated %fat seemed to boost my HDL. I think the main metric to watch is probably non-HDL/HDL. If you are diabetic or have insulin resistance, then triglycerides/HDL might be even more important. Just my take. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > If you are >diabetic or have insulin resistance, Nope. So far, so good. I just have clogged arteries. But I lurk on alt.support.diabetes and post once in awhile. They seem to be related to us with diets, excercise, etc plus there's some interesting characters over there that I like to read. :-) Thanks for the extra info... Port friend P...@nospam.invalid wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm at 0.888888 I'll need to get 1.4" off my waist to get me to > 0.85. That's probably doable. Even one ounce of VAT is harmful. Your goal may very well be considerably less than 0.85. You won't know until you eat less, down to the optimal amount (32 ounces per day) in order to become hungrier (healthier) than ever to lose all the VAT: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing > >It is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing) that our > >bodies get rid of the VAT > > It's definitly not laughing. Will growling count as "singing"? :-) The stomach does not growl... only laughs and sings :-) So if you are hearing sounds, it is one or the other :-)) > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > can't imagine anyone accepting anything on usenet without checking it > out further. Thanks for your concern. His is not concern but malice toward the Holy Spirit, Whom he has blasphemed against thereby becoming eternally condemned. > >I've kept records on my own case for quite a while. My HDL has been most > >increased by weight loss and %fat in my diet (or decreased by %carb). > > I've never been heavy but I've lost a little anyway. Did it mostly by > quitting bread (sandwiches etc) and junk (donuts etc). Maybe I can get > rid of another couple pounds, I'm going to try. Avoiding bread will reduce hunger thereby making the VAT persist. > I've always been > active. have a treadmill and a home gym and get plenty excercise. IOW, > my lifestyle changes have not been dramatic. There wasn't much room to > do better unless I want to be obsessive. Exercise is not effective in getting rid of the VAT while there is overeating. > I've found that by trying to quit carbs, there's no way. I can only > cut back, which I've done (seems there's carbs in practically [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with it but I may not bother with it again. I dunno. > If you see anything I'm doing or not doing here, let me know. You are not eating less, down to the optimal amount (32 ounces per day). > oh! I'm > taking Lipitor which, I'm now thinking, might be what's holding my HDL > down. I'll talk to my Internist about it next week but I already know > what he's going to say. He thinks, and so does my cardiologist, that > LDL is what counts. They're both real happy with my LDL (54) and don't > seem to give a rip about HDL. It is likely that your LDL will be even lower as you eat less, down to the optimal amount, thereby obviating the need for the Lipitor. > Anyhow, thanks for the replies. You are welcome, Port :-) Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier). Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > William Wagner wrote: > > Try just standing. > > Standing?? You mean like... at attention? I can do that, no prob. > Years ago, I did it a LOT (Military School). > Is this a Yoga excercise? Yup ! No movement except to correct posture. Work up to 20 miniutes. http://www.posturepage.com/taichi/index.html Enjoy Bill SignatureS Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid > > friend William Wagner wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yup ! No. It is a posture for Tai Chi: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji > No movement except to correct posture. Work up to 20 miniutes. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bill The slow breathing with proper flow of "life force energy" (Chi/Qi) is important with the latter occurring only when the stomach is laughing and singing. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Our atlanta friend confesses his adopting of the pagan "chi" from the pagan religion taoism: "The slow breathing with proper flow of "life force energy" (Chi/Qi) is important with the latter occurring only when the stomach is laughing and singing." He accepts that "chi" when properly used has magical powers. One technique to capture these magical powers is a set of exercises. Among these is a magical powr of "discernment" which is what he means when saying the "holy Spirit communicates with him. He conflates the pagan "chi" with the Holy Spirit among other false teachings born of his imagination. It is the product of a lone ranger bible reader who refuses to seek external to himself confirmation of his invented teachings from orthodox teachers. God's most abundant blessing upon you. > I just got my lab results back. > I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Port Port, stop focusing on the number 37 and do a happy dance for your amazing ratio to LDL! Susan > > I just got my lab results back. > > I've been bustin' my butt for the past 12 months trying to get my HDL [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Port, stop focusing on the number 37 and do a happy dance for your > amazing ratio to LDL! That would not be wise until Port lose all the VAT by eating less down to the optimal amount to get his WHR less than 0.85 (0.75 for women). Truly, it is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of the VAT. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >Port, stop focusing on the number 37 and do a happy dance for your >amazing ratio to LDL! oh!.... that does look pretty good doesn't it. Okay thanks, that makes me feel a little better ;-) Port <---- <sproingy> <sproingy> <sproingy> (my girlfriend tells me I dance like Jed Clampett) <sproingy> <sproingy> ... etc. |
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