It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
<fa4iqk$9g0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
>"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
>> >> > On `www.godhatesfags.com'weread the exciting news
>> >> > that PhelpsCo will soon be picketing in the land
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>> >> > yet something else that "God Hates", because,
>> >> > of course, "fags run society and the government".
>> >> > Got to hope they don't encounter an visa
>> >> > problems. Particularly on the way back.
>> >> Gee. That would be terrible. Wouldn't it...?
>> > If anyone in the Italian gov't has already heard of Phelps' Whelps,
>> > they'll *never* make it in.
>> > I wonder why they picked Italy. I had always thought southern Europe
>> > was the "conservative" (small c) part.
>> Please don't give them any ideas of coming to northern Europe, the UK in
>> particular.
>> We don't want the expense of a trial for "Behaviour liable to cause a breach
>> of the peace", their prison stay and deportation.
>Hey, how about if we over here pass the hat to defray legal expenses?
>I bet a lot of congregations of actual Christian would be delighted to
>chip in too.
>> They would have to change their language too, as "God hates fags" translates
>> to "God hates cigarettes" and "God hates faggots" translates to "God hates a
>> foodstuff made from minced pork offal" here. I tend to agree with the last
>> sentiment, as I also hate that foodstuff.
>Hmmm...knew the first one, but never heard of the second.
I never heard of that one, either. I thought minced pork offal was
spam.
"Faggot" is an old word for small sticks and branches; I wonder if
that's the connection to cigarettes? "Fag" for cigarette dates back at
least to WW I.

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Douglas Berry - 18 Aug 2007 00:11 GMT
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:26:35 -0700 there was an Ancient Don Kirkman
<donsno2@wavecable.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
>I never heard of that one, either. I thought minced pork offal was
>spam.
>
>"Faggot" is an old word for small sticks and branches; I wonder if
>that's the connection to cigarettes? "Fag" for cigarette dates back at
>least to WW I.
And the connection to homosexuals comes from the idea that cigarettes
were effeminate and a women's thing. Men smoked cigars or pipes. So
any man who smoked a "lady's smoke" was not really all-man.
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Smiler - 18 Aug 2007 02:48 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
> <fa4iqk$9g0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
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>
>>Hey, how about if we over here pass the hat to defray legal expenses?
Nah. You just keep them to yourselves :-)
>>I bet a lot of congregations of actual Christian would be delighted to
>>chip in too.
There are few left, and none with any great amount of money.
>>> They would have to change their language too, as "God hates fags"
>>> translates
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> I never heard of that one, either. I thought minced pork offal was
> spam.
SPAM = Spiced Pork and hAM.
Faggots are minced pork offal formed into a ball and sold (usually) in a
gravy.
The best known manufacturer is a company called 'Brain's' although, I
believe, there are others.
See Wiki 'Faggot (Food)' for a better description.
> "Faggot" is an old word for small sticks and branches;
Actually a small bundle of sticks.
> I wonder if
> that's the connection to cigarettes?
Probably that is the origin of "fag" for a cigarette.
> "Fag" for cigarette dates back at
> least to WW I.
I believe it dates back further than that.
What's the origin of "faggot/fag", meaning homosexual, in the US?
Smiler,
The godless one
Don Kirkman - 18 Aug 2007 08:34 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Smiler wrote in article
<wdsxi.37629$sI3.15087@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
>> <fa4iqk$9g0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
>>>> They would have to change their language too, as "God hates fags"
>>>> translates
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>>>> last
>>>> sentiment, as I also hate that foodstuff.
>>>Hmmm...knew the first one, but never heard of the second.
>> I never heard of that one, either. I thought minced pork offal was
>> spam.
>SPAM = Spiced Pork and hAM.
Yep, the other gray meat. However, one hopes it contains no offal.
>Faggots are minced pork offal formed into a ball and sold (usually) in a
>gravy.
>The best known manufacturer is a company called 'Brain's' although, I
>believe, there are others.
>See Wiki 'Faggot (Food)' for a better description.
>> "Faggot" is an old word for small sticks and branches;
>Actually a small bundle of sticks.
We threw individual sticks on the campfire but still thought of them as
faggots.
>> I wonder if
>> that's the connection to cigarettes?
>Probably that is the origin of "fag" for a cigarette.
That's pretty much what I was hinting at.
>> "Fag" for cigarette dates back at
>> least to WW I.
>I believe it dates back further than that.
Yes, "at least to" encompasses the possibility of being older than that.
>What's the origin of "faggot/fag", meaning homosexual, in the US?
No idea.

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Cary Kittrell - 18 Aug 2007 19:25 GMT
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
> > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
> > <fa4iqk$9g0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
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>
> What's the origin of "faggot/fag", meaning homosexual, in the US?
The Oxford English Dictionary lists it, all the way down
in definition "6b" (faggot has/had LOTS of different
meanings, including "A term of abuse or contempt applied to a woman") --
the OED in definition 6b indeed does describe this usage as
being "chiefly American", and can trace examples back
only to 1914.
-- cary