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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2007Re: "Diagnosing paranoid schizophrenia."
One person was of the opinion: "Then you know firsthand that folks with paranoid schizophrenia would shun usenet and other public forums, would be unable to pray, and would decompensate when threatened by others." Incorrect, if one had more then a generic survey course and rounds experience with this diagnosis one would know it is not a valid nor complete observation. If you wish, a descriptive list of symptoms of this diagnosis can be posted in support of the flaws in the above opinion. God bless. On Jul 28, 12:48 pm, truth-tell...@is-best.com wrote: > One person was of the opinion: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > God bless. Mental illness cannot be reliably diagnosed over the internet, even by psychiatrists. > On Jul 28, 12:48 pm, truth-tell...@is-best.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Mental illness cannot be reliably diagnosed over the internet, even by > psychiatrists. I know of no reason to think persons with schizophrenia are unable to pray. Marilyn > I know of no reason to think persons with schizophrenia are unable to > pray. It has been observed that those suffering from paranoid schizophrenia do not trust GOD enough to pray to HIM. Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Jul 28, 7:08 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > > I know of no reason to think persons with schizophrenia are unable to > > pray. > > It has been observed that those suffering from paranoid schizophrenia > do not trust GOD enough to pray to HIM. First of all, the term "paranoid schizophrenia" is rarely used by psychiatrists who specialize in schizophrenia. Rather, they simply refer to "schizophrenia." If you don't believe me, check out scholarly articles in the field. A good place to start would be the database on Schizophrenia Research Forum, www.schizophreniaforum.org. Second, your suggestion that schizophrenics cannot pray, or do not trust God, is simply untrue, unsubstantiated, not to mention unprovable. "It has been observed" -- by whom, when, where, and how? Marilyn > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > First of all, the term "paranoid schizophrenia" is rarely used by > psychiatrists who specialize in schizophrenia. Correct. However, they would know it to mean schizophenia with paranoia (or paranoid delusions). Moreover, this is the diagnosis being erroneously applied to openly Christian folks by anti-christians. > Rather, they simply > refer to "schizophrenia." If you don't believe me, check out > scholarly articles in the field. A good place to start would be the > database on Schizophrenia Research Forum, www.schizophreniaforum.org. No need. > Second, your suggestion that schizophrenics cannot pray, or do not > trust God, is simply untrue, unsubstantiated, not to mention > unprovable. The lack (or loss) of trust in others is the main feature of paranoid delusions. Trust in GOD, Who is otherworldly, is required for prayer. "It has been observed" -- by whom, when, where, and how? By many, often, everywhere, and by perception. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Jul 29, 8:42 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > Moreover, this is the diagnosis being erroneously applied to openly > Christian folks by anti-christians. The idea of diagnosing schizophrenia over the internet strikes me as ridiculous, even if these people were qualified to diagnose schizophrenia, which so far as I know they aren't. > The lack (or loss) of trust in others is the main feature of paranoid > delusions. > Trust in GOD, Who is otherworldly, is required for prayer. > > "It has been observed" -- by whom, when, where, and how? > > By many, often, everywhere, and by perception. All I can tell you is that my sister prays all the time. She also suffers from paranoid delusions at times. If there have been studies done on this issue, please cite them. Marilyn Seigneur ayez piti?, ayez piti? des fous et des folles! O Cr?ateur! peut-il exister des monstres aux yeux de Celui-l? seul qui sait pourquoi ils existent, comment ils se sont faits et comment ils auraient pu ne pas se faire? -- Charles Baudelaire > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > All I can tell you is that my sister prays all the time. She also > suffers from paranoid delusions at times. It saddens me to read about this. It is unlikely that you have been observing your sister openly praying for GOD to bless others while suffering from a paranoid delusion. May GOD bless your sister in HIS mighty way making her healthier (hungrier) than ever. > If there have been studies done on this issue, please cite them. Studies on this issue is inherently problematic because folks suffering from paranoid delusions will understandably not be amenable to participation in studies which requires trust in order for informed consent to be given. Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Jul 29, 7:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, OCD/BPD" wrote: > Studies on this issue is inherently problematic because folks > suffering from paranoid delusions will understandably not be amenable > to participation in studies which requires trust in order for informed > consent to be given. ...which explains your 24/7 presence on Usenet. On Jul 29, 7:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > It saddens me to read about this. May GOD bless your sister in HIS mighty way making her healthier > (hungrier) than ever. Thank you for your kind words. Marilyn > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > It saddens me to read about this. May GOD bless your sister in HIS mighty way making her healthier > > (hungrier) than ever. > > Thank you for your kind words. You are welcome, Marilyn :-) Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier). Please let your sister know that when GOD blesses her, she will feel hungrier. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > > It has been observed that those suffering from paranoid schizophrenia > > do not trust GOD enough to pray to HIM. Incorrect, reveals all the more a lack of experience and knowledge about the topic. All the more reason as in some other areas of medicine and science to ignore with complete peace of mind the source. As in the trash science of the two pound diet, this opinion is formed on working backwards from a wholly invented agenda to pick and choose notions that fit the agenda. Truth not agenda is always best. Upon request a description of the condition in question can be posted which will put all such opinion and inventions to rest. God bless. |
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