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MarilynMann - 21 Jun 2007 01:01 GMT
The Waking

I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I feel my fate in what I cannot fear.
I learn by going where I have to go.

We think by feeling. What is there to know?
I hear my being dance from ear to ear.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Of those so close beside me, which are you?
God bless the Ground! I shall walk softly there,
And learn by going where I have to go.

Light takes the Tree; but who can tell us how?
The lowly worm climbs up a winding stair;
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.

Great Nature has another thing to do
To you and me, so take the lively air,
And, lovely, learn by going where to go.

This shaking keeps me steady. I should know.
What falls away is always. And is near.
I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I learn by going where I have to go.

Theodore Roethke
MarilynMann - 21 Jun 2007 19:00 GMT
Remainder of a Life

If I were told:
By evening you will die,
so what will you do until then?
I would look at my wristwatch,
I'd drink a glass of juice,
bite an apple,
contemplate at length an ant that has found its food,
then look at my wristwatch.
There'd be time left to shave my beard
and dive in a bath, obsess:
"There must be an adornment for writing,
so let it be a blue garment."
I'd sit until noon alive at my desk
but wouldn't see the trace of color in the words,
white, white, white . . .
I'd prepare my last lunch,
pour wine in two glasses: one for me
and one for the one who will come without appointment,
then I'd take a nap between two dreams.
But my snoring would wake me . . .
so I'd look at my wristwatch:
and there'd be time left for reading.
I'd read a chapter in Dante and half of a mu'allaqah
and see how my life goes from me
to the others, but I wouldn't ask who
would fill what's missing in it.
That's it, then?
That's it, that's it.
Then what?
Then I'd comb my hair and throw away the poem . . .
this poem, in the trash,
and put on the latest fashion in Italian shirts,
parade myself in an entourage of Spanish violins,
and walk to the grave!

Mahmoud Darwish
(Translated, from the Arabic, by Fady Joudah.)
William Wagner - 21 Jun 2007 19:08 GMT
Su Tung-po
(1037 - 1101 / China)

Remembrance



To what can our life on earth be likened?
To a flock of geese,
alighting on the snow.
Sometimes leaving a trace

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Cary Kittrell - 21 Jun 2007 19:25 GMT
> Remainder of a Life
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Mahmoud Darwish
> (Translated, from the Arabic, by Fady Joudah.)

That's rather striking.  Thank you.

(does anyone know what a `mu'allaqah' might be?)

-- cary
MarilynMann - 21 Jun 2007 20:24 GMT
> (does anyone know what a `mu'allaqah' might be?)

I believe it's a collection of pre-Islamic Arabic poetry.
Cary Kittrell - 21 Jun 2007 20:51 GMT
> > (does anyone know what a `mu'allaqah' might be?)
> >
> I believe it's a collection of pre-Islamic Arabic poetry.

Ah, perhaps so.

I caught bits and pieces of that idea via Google, but
the term seems to have taken over for commercial
purposes.

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jun 2007 20:30 GMT
> Remainder of a Life
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Mahmoud Darwish
> (Translated, from the Arabic, by Fady Joudah.)

In a word:

Meaningless

Source:

Book of Ecclesiastes

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Cary Kittrell - 21 Jun 2007 20:58 GMT
> > Remainder of a Life
> >
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Meaningless

If you're anhedonic or even dsyphoric to the point that the
only thing that can rouse you is contemplating the deaths
of millions via pandemic or total atmospheric conflagration,
or the deaths of your perceived "enemies", then I'm sure
it must seem that way.

Those of us who can still take pleasure in the things
of this world which are beautiful beyond tears know
otherwise.

Poor, poor Andrew.  If I prayed, I would for you.

And although I do not, perhaps something else will
come along.  I know that if they nuke Tehran,
that would put a bounce in your step for the
rest of the day.

-- cary

> Source:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jun 2007 22:54 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> or the deaths of your perceived "enemies", then I'm sure
> it must seem that way.

Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> Those of us who can still take pleasure in the things
> of this world which are beautiful beyond tears know
> otherwise.

That which is evanescently fleeting is meaningless next to that which
is enduringly everlasting.

Beauty in the latter form which occurs with all things of GOD is
infinitely more meaningful.

> Poor, poor Andrew.

If I were poor, I would not be as hungry.

Instead, GOD continues to bless me more than the world could ever
possibly either know or understand:

http://TruthRUS.org/Dreadnought

> If I prayed, I would for you.

I do pray and so you remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I
love unconditionally.

> And although I do not, perhaps something else will
> come along.  I know that if they nuke Tehran,
> that would put a bounce in your step for the
> rest of the day.

The end of the world as we know it would sadden me.

However, it is written that GOD will personally wipe away our tears
although it seems you will not be around to witness this firsthand.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Smiler - 22 Jun 2007 01:11 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > >
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Without sense, your words are meaningless (Smiler).

Smiler,
The godless one
MarilynMann - 22 Jun 2007 12:35 GMT
The Idea of Order at Key West

She sang beyond the genius of the sea.
The water never formed to mind or voice,
Like a body wholly body, fluttering
Its empty sleeves; and yet its mimic motion
Made constant cry, caused constantly a cry,
That was not ours although we understood,
Inhuman, of the veritable ocean.

The sea was not a mask.  No more was she.
The song and water were not medleyed sound
Even if what she sang was what she heard.
Since what she sang was uttered word by word.
It may be that in all her phrases stirred
The grinding water and the gasping wind;
But it was she and not the sea we heard.

For she was the maker of the song she sang.
The ever-hooded, tragic-gestured sea
Was merely a place by which she walked to sing.
Whose spirit is this?  we said, because we knew
It was the spirit that we sought and knew
That we should ask this often as she sang.

If it was only the dark voice of the sea
That rose, or even colored by many waves;
If it was only the outer voice of sky
And cloud, of the sunken coral water-walled,
However clear, it would have been deep air,
The heaving speech of air, a summer sound
Repeated in a summer without end
And sound alone.  But it was more than that,
More even than her voice, and ours, among
The meaningless plungings of water and the wind,
Theatrical distances, bronze shadows heaped
On high horizons, mountainous atmospheres
Of sky and sea.
It was her voice that made
The sky acutest at its vanishing.
She measured to the hour its solitude.
She was the single artificer of the world
In which she sang.  And when she sang, the sea,
Whatever self it had, became the self
That was her song, for she was the maker.  Then we,
As we beheld her striding there alone,
Knew that there never was a world for her
Except the one she sang and, singing, made.

Ramon Fernandez, tell me, if you know,
Why, when the singing ended and we turned
Toward the town, tell why the glassy lights,
The lights in the fishing boats at anchor there,
As night descended, tilting in the air,
Mastered the night and portioned out the sea,
Fixing emblazoned zones and fiery poles,
Arranging, deepening, enchanting night.

Oh!  Blessed rage for order, pale Ramon,
The maker's rage to order words of the sea,
Words of the fragrant portals, dimly-starred,
And of ourselves and of our origins,
In ghostlier demarcations, keener sounds.

-- Wallace Stevens
Cary Kittrell - 22 Jun 2007 17:42 GMT
> The Idea of Order at Key West
>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> -- Wallace Stevens

For a very highly-placed insurance executive,
the boy wrote some fairly good poetry as well.

(I like "The Man with the Blue Guitar", myself)

-- cary
MarilynMann - 22 Jun 2007 18:31 GMT
> In article <1182512110.027589.246...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> MarilynMann <m...@comcast.net> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not to mention that he was a lawyer as well.

Marilyn
William Wagner - 22 Jun 2007 18:45 GMT
> > In article <1182512110.027589.246...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 76 lines]
>
> Marilyn

Wallace in my top five favorites.

"The Man with the Blue Guitar"  ********* etc.

The Palm at the end of the Mind.

http://kirjasto.sci.fi/wsteven.htm

Bill who likes poetry in SMC.

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MarilynMann - 22 Jun 2007 20:45 GMT
Aedh Wishes For The Clothes Of Heaven

Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

-- William Butler Yeats
Cary Kittrell - 22 Jun 2007 20:54 GMT
> Aedh Wishes For The Clothes Of Heaven
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -- William Butler Yeats

I swear to Bast, participating in Usenet newsgroups often
makes me flash on this fragment from Yeats:

    Be secret and take defeat from any brazen throat,
    For how can you compete,
    Being honor bred, with one
    Who, were it proved he lies,
    Were neither shamed in his own
    Nor in his neighbors' eyes?
   
   
   
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2007 21:20 GMT
> > Aedh Wishes For The Clothes Of Heaven
> >
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>      Were neither shamed in his own
>      Nor in his neighbors' eyes?

Wiser to side with the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, for Whom there
will never be defeat.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Cary Kittrell - 22 Jun 2007 22:08 GMT
> > > Aedh Wishes For The Clothes Of Heaven
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Wiser to side with the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, for Whom there
> will never be defeat.

And you edited the campus literary magazine?  Geez...

What did you include, Ogden Nash, William the Bloody, and Burma Shave signs?

-- cary

> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2007 23:28 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> And you edited the campus literary magazine?

Yes.

>  Geez...

No.

I am not Jesus.

> What did you include, Ogden Nash, William the Bloody, and Burma Shave signs?

No.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Father Haskell - 22 Jun 2007 23:59 GMT
On Jun 22, 6:28 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

> I am not Jesus.

You'd make jesus vomit.
Don Kirkman - 23 Jun 2007 00:48 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
<f5hdoo$3vc$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:

>> > I swear to Bast, participating in Usenet newsgroups often
>> > makes me flash on this fragment from Yeats:

>> >      Be secret and take defeat from any brazen throat,
>> >      For how can you compete,
>> >      Being honor bred, with one
>> >      Who, were it proved he lies,
>> >      Were neither shamed in his own
>> >      Nor in his neighbors' eyes?

>> Wiser to side with the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, for Whom there
>> will never be defeat.

>And you edited the campus literary magazine?  Geez...

I think I did hear a "whoosh" when I opened this very
apropos/appropriate message, .

>What did you include, Ogden Nash, William the Bloody, and Burma Shave signs?

Hey, don't dis Ogden Nash.  Most of his work was humorous and
intentionally light (with extremely witty and clever almost-rhymes), but
he was capable of some pretty insightful stuff, too; e.g.,

Old Men
by Ogden Nash
 
People expect old men to die,
They do not really mourn old men.
Old men are different. People look
At them with eyes that wonder when...
People watch with unshocked eyes;
But the old men know when an old man dies.
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Cary Kittrell - 23 Jun 2007 00:51 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
> <f5hdoo$3vc$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> intentionally light (with extremely witty and clever almost-rhymes), but
> he was capable of some pretty insightful stuff, too; e.g.,

You are totally correct, and I actually hesitated before putting
that in.  I probably should have gone with "Halmark Greeting
Cards" instead.

> Old Men
> by Ogden Nash
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> People watch with unshocked eyes;
> But the old men know when an old man dies.

Yo, that IS good.  I stand more than corrected.

-- cary
MarilynMann - 23 Jun 2007 13:17 GMT
THE RIVER-MERCHANT'S WIFE: A LETTER*
Li Bo, trans. Ezra Pound

While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead
I played about the front gate, pulling flowers.
You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse,
You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums.
And we went on living in the village of Chokan:
Two small people, without dislike or suspicion.
At fourteen I married My Lord you.
I never laughed, being bashful.
Lowering my head, I looked at the wall.
Called to, a thousand times, I never looked back.

At fifteen I stopped scowling,
I desired my dust to be mingled with yours
Forever and forever and forever.
Why should I climb the look out?

At sixteen you departed,
You went into far Ku-to-en, by the river of swirling eddies,
And you have been gone five months.
The monkeys make sorrowful noise overhead.

You dragged your feet when you went out.
By the gate now, the moss is grown, the different mosses,
Too deep to clear them away!
The leaves fall early this autumn, in wind.
The paired butterflies are already yellow with August
Over the grass in the West garden;
They hurt me. I grow older.
If you are coming down through the narrows of the river Kiang,
Please let me know beforehand,
And I will come out to meet you
As far as Cho-fu-Sa.

*Original title: Changgan xing
MarilynMann - 24 Jun 2007 11:45 GMT
HARLEM

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun
Or fester like a sore-

And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over-

Like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

-- Langston Hughes
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Jun 2007 13:40 GMT
> HARLEM
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> -- Langston Hughes

In returns when you go back to sleep:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
MarilynMann - 25 Jun 2007 13:11 GMT
Dover Beach

The sea is calm to-night.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits;--on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanch'd land,
Listen! you hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.

Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the Aegean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furl'd.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.

Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

-- Matthew Arnold

* * *

I came across the following analysis of this poem, and I thought I
would share it:

"well i think this poem is about a certin scenario that we all face in
life, its when u look in the fridge and cant find the ketchup, u will
stare at the door for like 5 min but u cant find it. We all have
experienced this and matthew arnold summed it up for all of us. but
that is just my opinion. i like to call it the 'ketchup sindrom" it
really is a [censored], you will want it so bad and u will look and
look and look but never find it. Then the next day u will look in the
fridge for some milk and the god-damn ketchup will be laughing at u"

Actually, I don't think the ketchup syndrome really has much to do
with this poem, but I like the thought anyway.

In case you are wondering, the poem is *not* about Darwinism, as it
was written in 1851, before the publication of The Origin of Species
(1859).

Marilyn
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Jun 2007 13:47 GMT
> Dover Beach
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> Marilyn

It's about the absence of love in those who are of accursed world...

http://secondlaw.com

... but present in the brethren of the Messiah, Who is not of this
world:

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

The brethren of the Messiah are neither perfect nor more special...

... we are simply forgiven by GOD thereby able to love others
unconditionally:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

Here's the way to become brethren of the Messiah:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
MarilynMann - 25 Jun 2007 19:34 GMT
> "well i think this poem is about a certin scenario that we all face in
> life, its when u look in the fridge and cant find the ketchup, u will
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Actually, I don't think the ketchup syndrome really has much to do
> with this poem, but I like the thought anyway.

The other type of ketchup syndrome, of course, is when you turn the
ketchup upside down and it doesn't come out at first and then all of a
sudden it comes out all at once and drowns your french fries . . .
Don Kirkman - 25 Jun 2007 21:30 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that MarilynMann wrote in article
<1182796484.164706.295060@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:

>> "well i think this poem is about a certin scenario that we all face in
>> life, its when u look in the fridge and cant find the ketchup, u will
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> look and look but never find it. Then the next day u will look in the
>> fridge for some milk and the god-damn ketchup will be laughing at u"

>> Actually, I don't think the ketchup syndrome really has much to do
>> with this poem, but I like the thought anyway.

>The other type of ketchup syndrome, of course, is when you turn the
>ketchup upside down and it doesn't come out at first and then all of a
>sudden it comes out all at once and drowns your french fries . . .

Shake and shake
  the ketchup bottle.
None'll come, and
  then a lot'll."
        --Richard Armour.

http://exploration.nasa.gov/articles/07jun_elastic_fluids-liftoff.html
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MarilynMann - 26 Jun 2007 12:55 GMT
Dream Song 14

Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
we ourselves flash and yearn,
and moreover my mother told me as a boy
(repeatedly) 'Ever to confess you're bored
means you have no

Inner Resources.' I conclude now I have no
inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
Peoples bore me,
literature bores me, especially great literature,
Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
as bad as achilles,

Who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
and somehow a dog
has taken itself & its tail considerably away
into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
behind: me, wag.

-- John Berryman
MarilynMann - 27 Jun 2007 11:13 GMT
Among School Children

I

I walk through the long schoolroom questioning;
A kind old nun in a white hood replies;
The children learn to cipher and to sing,
To study reading-books and histories,
To cut and sew, be neat in everything
In the best modern way - the children's eyes
In momentary wonder stare upon
A sixty-year-old smiling public man.

II

I dream of a Ledaean body, bent
Above a sinking fire. a tale that she
Told of a harsh reproof, or trivial event
That changed some childish day to tragedy -
Told, and it seemed that our two natures blent
Into a sphere from youthful sympathy,
Or else, to alter Plato's parable,
Into the yolk and white of the one shell.

III

And thinking of that fit of grief or rage
I look upon one child or t'other there
And wonder if she stood so at that age -
For even daughters of the swan can share
Something of every paddler's heritage -
And had that colour upon cheek or hair,
And thereupon my heart is driven wild:
She stands before me as a living child.

IV

Her present image floats into the mind -
Did Quattrocento finger fashion it
Hollow of cheek as though it drank the wind
And took a mess of shadows for its meat?
And I though never of Ledaean kind
Had pretty plumage once - enough of that,
Better to smile on all that smile, and show
There is a comfortable kind of old scarecrow.

V

What youthful mother, a shape upon her lap
Honey of generation had betrayed,
And that must sleep, shriek, struggle to escape
As recollection or the drug decide,
Would think her Son, did she but see that shape
With sixty or more winters on its head,
A compensation for the pang of his birth,
Or the uncertainty of his setting forth?

VI

Plato thought nature but a spume that plays
Upon a ghostly paradigm of things;
Solider Aristotle played the taws
Upon the bottom of a king of kings;
World-famous golden-thighed Pythagoras
Fingered upon a fiddle-stick or strings
What a star sang and careless Muses heard:
Old clothes upon old sticks to scare a bird.

VII

Both nuns and mothers worship images,
But those the candles light are not as those
That animate a mother's reveries,
But keep a marble or a bronze repose.
And yet they too break hearts - O Presences
That passion, piety or affection knows,
And that all heavenly glory symbolise -
O self-born mockers of man's enterprise;

VIII

Labour is blossoming or dancing where
The body is not bruised to pleasure soul.
Nor beauty born out of its own despair,
Nor blear-eyed wisdom out of midnight oil.
O chestnut-tree, great-rooted blossomer,
Are you the leaf, the blossom or the bole?
O body swayed to music, O brightening glance,
How can we know the dancer from the dance?

-- W.B. Yeats
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Jun 2007 11:51 GMT
> Among School Children
>
[quoted text clipped - 87 lines]
>
> -- W.B. Yeats

"Do not keep these little ones from ME, for MY kingdom belongs to such
as these." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
MarilynMann - 12 Jul 2007 11:26 GMT
Mid-Term Break

I sat all morning in the college sick bay
Counting bells knelling classes to a close.
At two o'clock our neighbours drove me home.

In the porch I met my father crying
He had always taken funerals in his stride
And Big Jim Evans saying it was a hard blow.

The baby cooed and laughed and rocked the pram
When I came in, and I was embarrassed
By old men standing up to shake my hand

And tell me they were "sorry for my trouble",
Whispers informed strangers I was the eldest,
Away at school, as my mother held my hand

In hers and coughed out angry tearless sighs.
At ten o'clock the ambulance arrived
With the corpse, stanched and bandaged by the nurses.

Next morning I went up into the room. Snowdrops
And candles soothed the bedside; I saw him
For the first time in six weeks. Paler now,

Wearing a poppy bruise on his left temple,
He lay in the four foot box as in his cot.
No gaudy scars, the bumper knocked him clear.

A four foot box, a foot for every year.

--Seamus Heaney
MarilynMann - 14 Jul 2007 16:15 GMT
Sunday Morning

1
Complacencies of the peignoir, and late
Coffee and oranges in a sunny chair,
And the green freedom of a cockatoo
Upon a rug mingle to dissipate
The holy hush of ancient sacrifice.
She dreams a little, and she feels the dark
Encroachment of that old catastrophe,
As a calm darkens among water-lights.
The pungent oranges and bright, green wings
Seem things in some procession of the dead,
Winding across wide water, without sound.
The day is like wide water, without sound.
Stilled for the passing of her dreaming feet
Over the seas, to silent Palestine,
Dominion of the blood and sepulchre.

2
Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:
Passions of rain, or moods in falling snow;
Grievings in loneliness, or unsubdued
Elations when the forest blooms; gusty
Emotions on wet roads on autumn nights;
All pleasures and all pains, remembering
The bough of summer and the winter branch.
These are the measure destined for her soul.

3
Jove in the clouds had his inhuman birth.
No mother suckled him, no sweet land gave
Large-mannered motions to his mythy mind.
He moved among us, as a muttering king,
Magnificent, would move among his hinds,
Until our blood, commingling, virginal,
With heaven, brought such requital to desire
The very hinds discerned it, in a star.
Shall our blood fail? Or shall it come to be
The blood of paradise? And shall the earth
Seem all of paradise that we shall know?
The sky will be much friendlier then than now,
A part of labor and a part of pain,
And next in glory to enduring love,
Not this dividing and indifferent blue.

4
She says, "I am content when wakened birds,
Before they fly, test the reality
Of misty fields, by their sweet questionings;
But when the birds are gone, and their warm fields
Return no more, where, then, is paradise?"
There is not any haunt of prophecy,
Nor any old chimera of the grave,
Neither the golden underground, nor isle
Melodious, where spirits gat them home,
Nor visionary south, nor cloudy palm
Remote on heaven's hill, that has endured
As April's green endures; or will endure
Like her remembrance of awakened birds,
Or her desire for June and evening, tipped
By the consummation of the swallow's wings.

5
She says, "But in contentment I still feel
The need of some imperishable bliss."
Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her,
Alone, shall come fulfillment to our dreams
And our desires. Although she strews the leaves
Of sure obliteration on our paths,
The path sick sorrow took, the many paths
Where triumph rang its brassy phrase, or love
Whispered a little out of tenderness,
She makes the willow shiver in the sun
For maidens who were wont to sit and gaze
Upon the grass, relinquished to their feet.
She causes boys to pile new plums and pears
On disregarded plate. The maidens taste
And stray impassioned in the littering leaves.

6
Is there no change of death in paradise?
Does ripe fruit never fall? Or do the boughs
Hang always heavy in that perfect sky,
Unchanging, yet so like our perishing earth,
With rivers like our own that seek for seas
They never find, the same receding shores
That never touch with inarticulate pang?
Why set pear upon those river-banks
Or spice the shores with odors of the plum?
Alas, that they should wear our colors there,
The silken weavings of our afternoons,
And pick the strings of our insipid lutes!
Death is the mother of beauty, mystical,
Within whose burning bosom we devise
Our earthly mothers waiting, sleeplessly.

7
Supple and turbulent, a ring of men
Shall chant in orgy on a summer morn
Their boisterous devotion to the sun,
Not as a god, but as a god might be,
Naked among them, like a savage source.
Their chant shall be a chant of paradise,
Out of their blood, returning to the sky;
And in their chant shall enter, voice by voice,
The windy lake wherein their lord delights,
The trees, like serafin, and echoing hills,
That choir among themselves long afterward.
They shall know well the heavenly fellowship
Of men that perish and of summer morn.
And whence they came and whither they shall go
The dew upon their feel shall manifest.

8
She hears, upon that water without sound,
A voice that cries, "The tomb in Palestine
Is not the porch of spirits lingering.
It is the grave of Jesus, where he lay."
We live in an old chaos of the sun,
Or old dependency of day and night,
Or island solitude, unsponsored, free,
Of that wide water, inescapable.
Deer walk upon our mountains, and the quail
Whistle about us their spontaneous cries;
Sweet berries ripen in the wilderness;
And, in the isolation of the sky,
At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
Downward to darkness, on extended wings.

-- Wallace Stevens
MarilynMann - 15 Jul 2007 17:14 GMT
Fern Hill

Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs
About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green,
The night above the dingle starry,
Time let me hail and climb
Golden in the heydays of his eyes,
And honoured among wagons I was prince of the apple towns
And once below a time I lordly had the trees and leaves
Trail with daisies and barley
Down the rivers of the windfall light.

And as I was green and carefree, famous among the barns
About the happy yard and singing as the farm was home,
In the sun that is young once only,
Time let me play and be
Golden in the mercy of his means,
And green and golden I was huntsman and herdsman, the calves
Sang to my horn, the foxes on the hills barked clear and cold,
And the sabbath rang slowly
In the pebbles of the holy streams.

All the sun long it was running, it was lovely, the hay
Fields high as the house, the tunes from the chimneys, it was air
And playing, lovely and watery
And fire green as grass.
And nightly under the simple stars
As I rode to sleep the owls were bearing the farm away,
All the moon long I heard, blessed among stables, the nightjars
Flying with the ricks, and the horses
Flashing into the dark.

And then to awake, and the farm, like a wanderer white
With the dew, come back, the cock on his shoulder: it was all
Shining, it was Adam and maiden,
The sky gathered again
And the sun grew round that very day.
So it must have been after the birth of the simple light
In the first, spinning place, the spellbound horses walking warm
Out of the whinnying green stable
On to the fields of praise.

And honoured among foxes and pheasants by the gay house
Under the new made clouds and happy as the heart was long,
In the sun born over and over,
I ran my heedless ways,
My wishes raced through the house high hay
And nothing I cared, at my sky blue trades, that time allows
In all his tuneful turning so few and such morning songs
Before the children green and golden
Follow him out of grace.

Nothing I cared, in the lamb white days, that time would take me
Up to the swallow thronged loft by the shadow of my hand,
In the moon that is always rising,
Nor that riding to sleep
I should hear him fly with the high fields
And wake to the farm forever fled from the childless land.
Oh as I was young and easy in the mercy of his means,
Time held me green and dying
Though I sang in my chains like the sea.

-- Dylan Thomas
Cary Kittrell - 16 Jul 2007 18:21 GMT
> Fern Hill
>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>
> -- Dylan Thomas

This one dazzled me the first time I read it, decades
ago, and it hasn't lost anything over the years.

-- cary
MarilynMann - 17 Jul 2007 01:52 GMT
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

The free bird leaps
on the back of the wind
and floats downstream
till the current ends
and dips his wings
in the orange sun rays
and dares to claim the sky.

But a bird that stalks
down his narrow cage
can seldom see through
his bars of rage
his wings are clipped and
his feet are tied
so he opens his throat to sing.

The caged bird sings
with fearful trill
of the things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill for the caged bird
sings of freedom

The free bird thinks of another breeze
and the trade winds soft through the sighing trees
and the fat worms waiting on a dawn-bright lawn
and he names the sky his own.

But a caged bird stands on the grave of dreams
his shadow shouts on a nightmare scream
his wings are clipped and his feet are tied
so he opens his throat to sing

The caged bird sings
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged bird
sings of freedom.

-- Maya Angelou
MarilynMann - 18 Jul 2007 02:51 GMT
PENELOPE'S SONG

Little soul, little perpetually undressed one,
do now as I bid you, climb
the shelf-like branches of the spruce tree;
wait at the top, attentive, like
a sentry or look-out. He will be home soon;
it behooves you to be
generous. You have not been completely
perfect either; with your troublesome body
you have done things you shouldn't
discuss in poems. Therefore
call to him over the open water, over the bright water
with your dark song, with your grasping,
unnatural song--passionate,
like Maria Callas. Who
wouldn't want you? Whose most demonic appetite
could you possibly fail to answer? Soon
he will return from wherever he goes in the meantime,
suntanned from his time away, wanting
his grilled chicken. Ah, you must greet him,
you must shake the boughs of the tree
to get his attention,
but carefully, carefully, lest
his beautiful face be marred

-- Louise Gluck
MarilynMann - 18 Jul 2007 12:41 GMT
To his Coy Mistress

Had we but world enough, and time,
This coyness, lady, were no crime.
We would sit down and think which way
To walk, and pass our long love's day;
Thou by the Indian Ganges' side
Shouldst rubies find; I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood;
And you should, if you please, refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow.
An hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes, and on thy forehead gaze;
Two hundred to adore each breast,
But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.

But at my back I always hear
Time's winged chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserv'd virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.

Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am'rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapp'd power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball;
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

-- Andrew Marvell (1621-1678)
Cary Kittrell - 18 Jul 2007 17:42 GMT
> To his Coy Mistress
>
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> -- Andrew Marvell (1621-1678)

"I'll be in my bunk".

           -- Jayne Cobb, "Firefly"
           
           
           
-- cary
MarilynMann - 19 Jul 2007 15:24 GMT
Elegy for Jane
(My student, thrown by a horse)

I remember the neckcurls, limp and damp as tendrils;
And her quick look, a sidelong pickerel smile;
And how, once startled into talk, the light syllables leaped for her,
And she balanced in the delight of her thought,

A wren, happy, tail into the wind,
Her song trembling the twigs and small branches.
The shade sang with her;
The leaves, their whispers turned to kissing,
And the mould sang in the bleached valleys under the rose.

Oh, when she was sad, she cast herself down into such a pure depth,
Even a father could not find her:
Scraping her cheek against straw,
Stirring the clearest water.

My sparrow, you are not here,
Waiting like a fern, making a spiney shadow.
The sides of wet stones cannot console me,
Nor the moss, wound with the last light.

If only I could nudge you from this sleep,
My maimed darling, my skittery pigeon.
Over this damp grave I speak the words of my love:
I, with no rights in this matter,
Neither father nor lover.

-- Theodore Roethke
MarilynMann - 20 Jul 2007 11:21 GMT
Sonnet 29 "When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes"

When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
  I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf Heaven with my bootless cries,
  And look upon myself, and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
  Featur'd like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art, and that man's scope,
  With what I most enjoy contented least:
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
  Haply I think on thee,--and then my state
(Like to the lark at break of day arising
  From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings
  That then I scorn to change my state with kings'.

-- William Shakespeare
MarilynMann - 22 Jul 2007 01:02 GMT
Drinking Alone Under the Moon

Among the flowers, a single jug of wine;
I drink alone. No one close to me.
I raise my cup, invite the bright moon;
facing my shadow, together we make three.
The moon doesn't know how to drink;
and my shadow can only follow my body.
But for a time I make moon and shadow my companions;
taking one's pleasure must last until spring.
I sing--the moon wavers back and forth.
I dance--my shadow flickers and scatters.
When I'm sober we take pleasure together.
When I'm drunk, we each go our own ways.
I make an oath to journey forever free of feelings,
making an appointment with them to meet in the Milky Way afar.

-- Li Bo (701-762)
translated by Paul Rouzer

Paul Rouzer
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Jun 2007 11:28 GMT
> Dream Song 14
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> -- John Berryman

Within GOD's perfect and infinite will, there is no boredom.

Such is the abundant life that LORD Jesus Christ gives to HIS
brethren.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
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Cardiologist
Cary Kittrell - 25 Jun 2007 18:34 GMT
> THE RIVER-MERCHANT'S WIFE: A LETTER*
> Li Bo, trans. Ezra Pound
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> *Original title: Changgan xing

Ah, I remember this one.

I really like Pound, although I started getting
lost around Canto [insert your own number here]

-- cary
MarilynMann - 25 Jun 2007 19:28 GMT
> Ah, I remember this one.
>
> I really like Pound, although I started getting
> lost around Canto [insert your own number here]

Some say this "translation" is really more of an adaptation, but it is
hard to argue with the result.

Marilyn
Cary Kittrell - 25 Jun 2007 20:15 GMT
> > Ah, I remember this one.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Some say this "translation" is really more of an adaptation, but it is
> hard to argue with the result.

Well, Eliot said that "good artists borrow; great artists steal".

Of course, I've seen that one attributed to Picasso and
Stravinsky, so maybe ol' Tommy the S. stole that one too.

-- cary
Mark K. Bilbo - 22 Jun 2007 17:21 GMT
> If I were poor, I would not be as hungry.

I get it. He's going broke...

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jun 2007 19:14 GMT
> The Waking
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Theodore Roethke

Great Nature is an idol for many that are here.
The Ground remains accursed because of sin.
Without GOD's blessing there is only fear.
The atheist has no clue the trouble he's in.

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Cardiologist
William Wagner - 27 Jul 2007 16:00 GMT
From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2007.
http://scout.wisc.edu/

11. Library of Congress: Poetry [pdf, Real Player]
http://www.loc.gov/poetry/

On a recent visit to the Library of Congress: Poetry website, the first
line of a poem by William Stafford appeared on the top of the page. The
poem in question was ?At the Un-National Monument Along the Canadian
Border?, and it just one of many poems that can be found on this simple
delightful site.
Amidst this cornucopia of poems, visitors can also learn about the
current poet laureate and take in a few webcasts from the ?Poet Vision?
series. It is an august group indeed, and some of the programs include
those that profile Rita Dove, Louise Gluck, and Stanley Kunitz.

Visitors can also look over a list of poetry news and events and breeze
on through the related resources offered by the Library of Congress.
Educators and students will want to pay close attention to the ?For
Teachers & Students? area, where they can find resources designed to
bring poetry into the classroom in an experiential fashion. [KMG]

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MarilynMann - 28 Jul 2007 23:35 GMT
THE LAKE ISLE OF INNISFREE

I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honeybee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.
And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
There midnight's all a-glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
And evening full of the linnet's wings.

I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear the water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray,
I hear it in the deep heart's core.

-- William Butler Yeats
liaM - 29 Jul 2007 10:16 GMT
> THE LAKE ISLE OF INNISFREE
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> -- William Butler Yeats

Thanks Marilyn for the nice change from the ranting of kooks ;)
For poetry I always read our poet in residence (W.W.)
MarilynMann - 29 Jul 2007 14:26 GMT
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

-- Dylan Thomas
liaM - 29 Jul 2007 14:59 GMT
> DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> -- Dylan Thomas

But if "rage" means limping and wheezing,
taking statins and painkillers, I say lemme at it fast
and damn the poets and their fathers !
(Anyway, that's how Dylan Thomas went, drunk at
40+ years, fell out of a window ;)
MarilynMann - 29 Jul 2007 15:45 GMT
> (Anyway, that's how Dylan Thomas went, drunk at
> 40+ years, fell out of a window ;)- Hide quoted text -

Actually, he died in a hospital.  He *was* an alcoholic and had been
drinking heavily just before collapsing and going into a coma.  I
don't know that it is known for sure what the proximate cause of death
was, though.  One theory is that he was given an overly high dose of a
sedative.  I've also read that pneumonia, liver disease, and pressure
on the brain were involved.

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 29 Jul 2007 18:24 GMT
He was also a notorious philanderer, thus his wife's remark when she
arrived at the hospital (see below).

On his final trip to New York, Dylan Thomas checked into the Chelsea
Hotel. He was already referring to Caitlin as 'my widow'.

While his cumulative intake of alcohol undoubtedly irreparably damaged
his health, it's been disputed that it was the actual cause of his
death. There is a growing body of evidence to suggest his death was
actually accelerated by medical negligence.

When Dylan Thomas returned to the Chelsea Hotel and boasted of
drinking "18 straight whiskies", he was in all probability
exaggerating. Boasting about his alcoholic intake was nothing new.
However, his sustained drinking undoubtedly caused him a number of
health complications.

Dylan slept off the whisky, and slept until the next morning - 4
November. He awoke complaining of breathing difficulties, and went
with Elizabeth Reitell to a bar. After two beers he returned to the
Chelsea Hotel, still complaining of illness, and his doctor Milton
Feltenstein was called for.

The doctor administered some ACTH, a steroid, before leaving, but
Thomas was still in pain from gastritis and gout. Feltenstein
returned, and gave the poet more medication.

Thomas slept again, but it was fitful and he complained of visions and
delirium. Feltenstein was summoned for a third time and gave Thomas a
sedative.

According to hospital records, the sedative was half a grain of
morphine sulphate; an abnormally high dose, and potentially lethal
given the poet's breathing complications. It was also extremely
unusual to administer such a drug to alleviate his gastritis and gout.

Feltenstein again left the hotel, leaving Thomas with Reitell. She was
joined by a painter, Jack Heliker, who observed the poet speaking of
abstract hallucinations. According to Heliker, Dylan Thomas' final
words were: "After 39 years, this is all I've done".

After about an hour, Dylan fell unconscious. An ambulance arrived, and
took him to St Vincent's Hospital. The medical notes state he arrived
in a coma at 1.58am, and that the "impression upon admission was acute
alcoholic encephalopathy damage to the brain by alcohol, for which the
patient was treated without response".

A telegram was sent to Caitlin in Laugharne on 5 November, telling her
Dylan had been hospitalised. The next day she flew to America. By this
time, a tracheotomy had been performed on the writer, who remained in
a coma, and rumours and accusations flew among the assembled friends
and acquaintances. Caitlin arrived and was taken by police escort to
the hospital. Her first words were reportedly "Is the bloody man dead
yet?"

Dylan Thomas died at noon on Monday 9 November 1953. The post mortem
gave the primary cause of death as pneumonia, with pressure on the
brain and a fatty liver given as contributing factors. He is buried at
St Martin's Church in Laugharne.

*  *  *

Half a grain of morphine sulphate?  I take it that's a lot?

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 30 Jul 2007 12:00 GMT
Fire and Ice

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
>From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

-- Robert Frost
MarilynMann - 31 Jul 2007 17:24 GMT
Danse Russe

If when my wife is sleeping
and the baby and Kathleen
are sleeping
and the sun is a flame-white disc
in silken mists
above shining trees,-
if I in my north room
dance naked, grotesquely
before my mirror
waving my shirt round my head
and singing softly to myself:
"I am lonely, lonely,
I was born to be lonely,
I am best so!"
If I admire my arms, my face,
my shoulders, flanks, buttocks
against the yellow drawn shades,-

Who shall say I am not
the happy genius of my household?

-- William Carlos Williams
liaM - 31 Jul 2007 21:17 GMT
> Danse Russe
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> -- William Carlos Williams

And William Carlos Williams was a doctor of medecine,
so what do they have against Dr. Chung !?
Cary Kittrell - 01 Aug 2007 01:45 GMT
> > Danse Russe
> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> And William Carlos Williams was a doctor of medecine,
> so what do they have against Dr. Chung !?

Depends.  Does he recognize the importance of the wheelbarrow,
or does he not?

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Aug 2007 02:13 GMT
> > > Danse Russe
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Depends.  Does he recognize the importance of the wheelbarrow,
> or does he not?

Logically, the answer would simply be "yes."  :-)

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

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Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Cardiologist
MarilynMann - 01 Aug 2007 21:02 GMT
so much depends
upon
a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.

-- William Carlos Williams
liaM - 01 Aug 2007 21:34 GMT
> so much depends
> upon
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -- William Carlos Williams

ah/.... !  And I thought you were talking about the
wheelbarrow left by an unknown medieval craftsman on the roof of
Notre Dame Cathedral.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Aug 2007 23:30 GMT
> > so much depends
> > upon
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> wheelbarrow left by an unknown medieval craftsman on the roof of
> Notre Dame Cathedral.

Such a red wheelbarrow will be used to cart satan's sockpuppets
(demons) to the edge of that lake of fire that awaits to consume
them.  The Craftsman is LORD Jesus Christ, Himself.  The sockpuppets
resemble white chickens by sight, sound, and smell :-)

Laus Deo !

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Cary Kittrell - 02 Aug 2007 00:16 GMT
> > > so much depends
> > > upon
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> them.  The Craftsman is LORD Jesus Christ, Himself.  The sockpuppets
> resemble white chickens by sight, sound, and smell :-)

And to think they say first-year English students try
to read too much into the material...

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Aug 2007 20:01 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
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> And to think they say first-year English students try
> to read too much into the material...

Meanwhile, the round-up continues...

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

Hell is GOD's red wheelbarrow.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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MarilynMann - 03 Aug 2007 14:24 GMT
Composed Upon Westminster Bridge, September 3, 1802

Earth has not anything to show more fair:
Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
A sight so touching in its majesty:
This City now doth, like a garment, wear
The beauty of the morning; silent, bare,
Ships, towers, domes, theatres, and temples lie
Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.
Never did sun more beautifully steep
In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!
The river glideth at his own sweet will:
Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
And all that mighty heart is lying still!

-- William Wordsworth
William Wagner - 03 Aug 2007 14:33 GMT
Pu suan tzu

A fragment moon hangs from the bare tung tree
The water clock runs out, all is still
Who sees the dim figure come and go alone
Misty, indistinct, the shadow of a lone wild goose?

Startled, she gets up, looks back
With longing no one sees
And will not settle on any of the cold branches
Along the chill and lonely beach

by Su Tung-po

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> Pu suan tzu
>
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> Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
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Nice, thanks.
MarilynMann - 04 Aug 2007 14:37 GMT
A Storm in April

Some winters, taking leave,
Deal us a last, hard blow,
Salting the ground like Carthage
Before they will go.

But the bright, milling snow
Which throngs the air today-
It is a way of leaving
So as to stay.

The light flakes do not weigh
The willows down, but sift
Through the white catkins, loose
As petal-drift

Or in an up-draft lift
And glitter at a height,
Dazzling as summer's leaf-stir
Chinked with light.

This storm, if I am right,
Will not be wholly over
Till green fields, here and there,
Turn white with clover,

And through chill air the puffs of milkweed hover.

-- Richard Wilbur
MarilynMann - 05 Aug 2007 14:26 GMT
My First Memory (of Librarians)

This is my first memory:
A big room with heavy wooden tables that sat on a creaky
      wood floor
A line of green shades-bankers' lights-down the center
Heavy oak chairs that were too low or maybe I was simply
      too short
             For me to sit in and read
So my first book was always big

In the foyer up four steps a semi-circle desk presided
To the left side the card catalogue
On the right newspapers draped over what looked like
      a quilt rack
Magazines face out from the wall

The welcoming smile of my librarian
The anticipation in my heart
All those books-another world-just waiting
At my fingertips.

-- Nikki Giovanni
MarilynMann - 06 Aug 2007 23:23 GMT
JABBERWOCKY

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
 Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
 And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
 The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
 The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
 Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
 And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
 The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
 And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
 The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
 He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
 Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
 He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
 Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
 And the mome raths outgrabe.

-- Lewis Carroll
(from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)
MarilynMann - 11 Aug 2007 20:56 GMT
I Think Continually Of Those Who Were Truly Great

I think continually of those who were truly great.
Who, from the womb, remembered the soul's history
Through corridors of light where the hours are suns
Endless and singing. Whose lovely ambition
Was that their lips, still touched with fire,
Should tell of the Spirit clothed from head to foot in song.
And who hoarded from the Spring branches
The desires falling across their bodies like blossoms.

What is precious is never to forget
The essential delight of the blood drawn from ageless springs
Breaking through rocks in worlds before our earth.
Never to deny its pleasure in the morning simple light
Nor its grave evening demand for love.
Never to allow gradually the traffic to smother
With noise and fog the flowering of the spirit.

Near the snow, near the sun, in the highest fields
See how these names are feted by the waving grass
And by the streamers of white cloud
And whispers of wind in the listening sky.
The names of those who in their lives fought for life
Who wore at their hearts the fire's center.
Born of the sun they traveled a short while towards the sun,
And left the vivid air signed with their honor.

-- Stephen Spender
William Wagner - 11 Aug 2007 21:31 GMT
Gary Snyder

Wonderful rainy day perusal.

http://www.heureka.clara.net/art/snyder.htm

Enjoy!

Bill

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A Refusal to Mourn the Death, by Fire, of a Child in London

Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness

And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn

The majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.

Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other.

-- Dylan Thomas
MarilynMann - 13 Aug 2007 16:15 GMT
Gene Weingarten's column yesterday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802035.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Aug 2007 01:02 GMT
> A Refusal to Mourn the Death, by Fire, of a Child in London
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> -- Dylan Thomas

"Do not keep these little ones from ME for MY kingdom belongs to such
as these." -- Messiah Jesus Christ

Amen.

"And HE wept."

HE did not weep for the deceased but instead for those of us who
remain having survived loved ones.  We know this because HE
subsequently brought the deceased back by telling him to wake up by
name !!!

Laus Deo ! ! !

Marana tha

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

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MarilynMann - 14 Aug 2007 14:52 GMT
anyone lived in a pretty how town
(with up so floating many bells down)
spring summer autumn winter
he sang his didn't he danced his did

Women and men (both little and small)
cared for anyone not at all
they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
sun moon stars rain

children guessed (but only a few
and down they forgot as up they grew
autumn winter spring summer)
that noone loved him more by more

when by now and tree by leaf
she laughed his joy she cried his grief
bird by snow and stir by still
anyone's any was all to her

someones married their everyones
laughed their cryings and did their dance
(sleep wake hope and then) they
said their nevers they slept their dream

stars rain sun moon
(and only the snow can begin to explain
how children are apt to forget to remember
with up so floating many bells down)

one day anyone died i guess
(and noone stooped to kiss his face)
busy folk buried them side by side
little by little and was by was

all by all and deep by deep
and more by more they dream their sleep
noone and anyone earth by april
wish by spirit and if by yes.

Women and men (both dong and ding)
summer autumn winter spring
reaped their sowing and went their came
sun moon stars rain

-- e.e. cummings
William Wagner - 14 Aug 2007 15:12 GMT
> anyone lived in a pretty how town
> (with up so floating many bells down)
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>
> -- e.e. cummings

Grew up sorta with e.e. cummings.

Bill

http://conduit.org/   worth a gander !

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> > anyone lived in a pretty how town
> > (with up so floating many bells down)
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>
> Bill

My personal favorite:


my father moved through dooms of love
e.e. cummings

my father moved through dooms of love
through sames of am through haves of give,
singing each morning out of each night
my father moved through depths of height

this motionless forgetful where
turned at his glance to shining here;
that if(so timid air is firm)
under his eyes would stir and squirm

newly as from unburied which
floats the first who,his april touch
drove sleeping selves to swarm their fates
woke dreamers to their ghostly roots

and should some why completely weep
my father's fingers brought her sleep:
vainly no smallest voice might cry
for he could feel the mountains grow.

Lifting the valleys of the sea
my father moved through griefs of joy;
praising a forehead he called the moon
singing desire into begin

joy was his song and joy so pure
a heart of star by him could steer
and pure so now and now so yes
the wrists of twilight would rejoice

keen as midsummer's keen beyond
conceiving mind of sun will stand,
so strictly(over utmost him
so hugely)stood my father's dream

his flesh was flesh his blood was blood:
no hungry man but wished him food;
no cripple wouldn't creep one mile
uphill to only see him smile.

Scorning the pomp of must and shall
my father moved through dooms of feel;
his anger was as right as rain
his pity was as green as grain

septembering arms of year extend
less humbly wealth to foe and friend
than he to foolish and to wise
offered immeasurable is

proudly and(by octobering flame
beckoned)as earth will downward climb,
so naked for immortal work
his shoulders marched against the dark

his sorrow was as true as bread:
no liar looked him in the head;
if every friend became his foe
he'd laugh and build a world with snow.

My father moved through theys of we,
singing each new leaf out of each tree
(and every child was sure that spring
danced when she heard my father sing)

then let men kill which cannot share,
let blood and flesh be mud and mire,
scheming imagine,passion willed,
freedom a drug that's bought and sold

giving to steal and cruel kind,
a heart to fear,to doubt a mind,
to differ a disease of same,
conform the pinnacle of am

though dull were all we taste as bright,
bitter all utterly things sweet,
maggoty minus and dumb death
all we inherit,all bequeath

and nothing quite so least as truth
- i say though hate were why man breathe -
because my father lived his soul
love is the whole and more than all
MarilynMann - 15 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT
The Negro Speaks of Rivers

I've known rivers:
I've known rivers ancient as the world and older than the
    flow of human blood in human veins.

My soul has grown deep like the rivers.

I bathed in the Euphrates when dawns were young.
I built my hut near the Congo and it lulled me to sleep.
I looked upon the Nile and raised the pyramids above it.
I heard the singing of the Mississippi when Abe Lincoln
    went down to New Orleans, and I've seen its muddy
    bosom turn all golden in the sunset.

I've known rivers:
Ancient, dusky rivers.

My soul has grown deep like the rivers.

-- Langston Hughes
MarilynMann - 16 Aug 2007 11:16 GMT
As in a Dream

Last night in the light rain as rough winds blew,
My drunken sleep left me no merrier.
I question one that raised the curtain, who
Replies: "The wild quince trees - are as they were."
            But no, but no!
Their rose is waning, and their green leaves grow.

-- Li Ching Chao (1084-1151)
MarilynMann - 17 Aug 2007 20:37 GMT
THE POOL PLAYERS.
SEVEN AT THE GOLDEN SHOVEL.

We real cool. We
Left school. We

Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We

Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We

Jazz June. We
Die soon.

-- Gwendolyn Brooks
William Wagner - 17 Aug 2007 20:45 GMT
> THE POOL PLAYERS.
> SEVEN AT THE GOLDEN SHOVEL.
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>
> -- Gwendolyn Brooks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_poem

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> THE POOL PLAYERS.
> SEVEN AT THE GOLDEN SHOVEL.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> -- Gwendolyn Brooks

Whoa!  That's different.

I like the way she does the upbeat at the end of each
line.

Barely heard of her before this, off to find more.

-- cary
MarilynMann - 20 Aug 2007 21:42 GMT
When I Consider How My Light Is Spent

When I consider how my light is spent,
  Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
  And that one talent which is death to hide
Lodged with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
  My true account, lest He returning chide;
  "Doth God exact day-labor, light denied?"
I fondly ask. But Patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, "God doth not need
  Either man's work or His own gifts. Who best
  Bear His mild yoke, they serve Him best. His state
Is kingly: thousands at His bidding speed,
  And post o'er land and ocean without rest;
  They also serve who only stand and wait."

-- John Milton
MarilynMann - 23 Aug 2007 02:52 GMT
Staying the Night at a Mountain Temple

The high tower is a hundred feet tall,
>From here one's hand could pluck the stars.
I do not dare to speak in a loud voice,
I fear to disturb the people in heaven.

-- Li Bo
MarilynMann - 23 Aug 2007 13:15 GMT
Cuckoo Song

SUMER is icumen in,
 Lhude sing cuccu!
Groweth sed, and bloweth med,
 And springth the wude nu-
         Sing cuccu!

Awe bleteth after lomb,
 Lhouth after calve cu;
Bulluc sterteth, bucke verteth,
 Murie sing cuccu!

Cuccu, cuccu, well singes thu, cuccu:
 Ne swike thu naver nu;
Sing cuccu, nu, sing cuccu,
 Sing cuccu, sing cuccu, nu!

-- Anonymous. c. 1250

GLOSS:  lhude] loud.  awe] ewe.  lhouth] loweth.  sterteth] leaps.
swike] cease.
Cary Kittrell - 23 Aug 2007 19:07 GMT
> Cuckoo Song
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> GLOSS:  lhude] loud.  awe] ewe.  lhouth] loweth.  sterteth] leaps.
> swike] cease.

Oh dear.  Walt Kelly so thoroughly Pogo-ized that one that
I have trouble reading it straight any more.

-- cary
MarilynMann - 24 Aug 2007 22:41 GMT
LESSONS OF THE WAR

To Alan Michell

Vixi duellis nuper idoneus
Et militavi non sine gloria

I. NAMING OF PARTS

To-day we have naming of parts. Yesterday,
We had daily cleaning. And to-morrow morning,
We shall have what to do after firing. But to-day,
To-day we have naming of parts. Japonica
Glistens like coral in all of the neighboring gardens,
         And to-day we have naming of parts.

This is the lower sling swivel. And this
Is the upper sling swivel, whose use you will see,
When you are given your slings. And this is the piling swivel,
Which in your case you have not got. The branches
Hold in the gardens their silent, eloquent gestures,
         Which in our case we have not got.

This is the safety-catch, which is always released
With an easy flick of the thumb. And please do not let me
See anyone using his finger. You can do it quite easy
If you have any strength in your thumb. The blossoms
Are fragile and motionless, never letting anyone see
         Any of them using their finger.

And this you can see is the bolt. The purpose of this
Is to open the breech, as you see. We can slide it
Rapidly backwards and forwards: we call this
Easing the spring. And rapidly backwards and forwards
The early bees are assaulting and fumbling the flowers:
         They call it easing the Spring.

They call it easing the Spring: it is perfectly easy
If you have any strength in your thumb: like the bolt,
And the breech, and the cocking-piece, and the point of balance,
Which in our case we have not got; and the almond-blossom
Silent in all of the gardens and the bees going backwards and
forwards,
         For to-day we have naming of parts.

-- Henry Reed
Don Kirkman - 25 Aug 2007 00:28 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that MarilynMann wrote in article
<1187991712.252751.221500@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

>LESSONS OF THE WAR

>To Alan Michell

>Vixi duellis nuper idoneus
>Et militavi non sine gloria

>I. NAMING OF PARTS

>To-day we have naming of parts. Yesterday,
>We had daily cleaning. And to-morrow morning,
>We shall have what to do after firing. But to-day,
>To-day we have naming of parts. Japonica
>Glistens like coral in all of the neighboring gardens,
>          And to-day we have naming of parts.

>This is the lower sling swivel. And this
>Is the upper sling swivel, whose use you will see,
>When you are given your slings. And this is the piling swivel,
>Which in your case you have not got. The branches
>Hold in the gardens their silent, eloquent gestures,
>          Which in our case we have not got.

>This is the safety-catch, which is always released
>With an easy flick of the thumb. And please do not let me
>See anyone using his finger. You can do it quite easy
>If you have any strength in your thumb. The blossoms
>Are fragile and motionless, never letting anyone see
>          Any of them using their finger.

>And this you can see is the bolt. The purpose of this
>Is to open the breech, as you see. We can slide it
>Rapidly backwards and forwards: we call this
>Easing the spring. And rapidly backwards and forwards
>The early bees are assaulting and fumbling the flowers:
>          They call it easing the Spring.

>They call it easing the Spring: it is perfectly easy
>If you have any strength in your thumb: like the bolt,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>forwards,
>          For to-day we have naming of parts.

>-- Henry Reed

I couldn't bear to trim it, Marilyn.  Thanks for letting others know of
it.  It's been just about my favorite for years now, and it very
accurately captures what it was like going through basic training (on
the good days).
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MarilynMann - 25 Aug 2007 19:51 GMT
I Knew a Woman

I knew a woman, lovely in her bones,
When small birds sighed, she would sigh back at them;
Ah, when she moved, she moved more ways than one:
The shapes a bright container can contain!
Of her choice virtues only gods should speak,
Or English poets who grew up on Greek
(I'd have them sing in chorus, cheek to cheek.)

How well her wishes went! She stroked my chin,
She taught me Turn, and Counter-turn, and stand;
She taught me Touch, that undulant white skin:
I nibbled meekly from her proffered hand;
She was the sickle; I, poor I, the rake,
Coming behind her for her pretty sake
(But what prodigious mowing did we make.)

Love likes a gander, and adores a goose:
Her full lips pursed, the errant note to seize;
She played it quick, she played it light and loose;
My eyes, they dazzled at her flowing knees;
Her several parts could keep a pure repose,
Or one hip quiver with a mobile nose
(She moved in circles, and those circles moved.)

Let seed be grass, and grass turn into hay:
I'm martyr to a motion not my own;
What's freedom for? To know eternity.
I swear she cast a shadow white as stone.
But who would count eternity in days?
These old bones live to learn her wanton ways:
(I measure time by how a body sways.)

-- Theodore Roethke
MarilynMann - 26 Aug 2007 12:39 GMT
Little Summer Poem Touching the Subject of Faith

Every summer
I listen and look
under the sun's brass and even
into the moonlight, but I can't hear

anything, I can't see anything --
not the pale roots digging down, nor the green stalks muscling up,
nor the leaves
deepening their damp pleats,

nor the tassels making,
nor the shucks, nor the cobs.
And still,
every day,

the leafy fields
grow taller and thicker --
green gowns lofting up in the night,
showered with silk.

And so, every summer,
I fail as a witness, seeing nothing --
I am deaf too
to the tick of the leaves,

the tapping of downwardness from the banyan feet --
all of it
happening
beyond any seeable proof, or hearable hum.

And, therefore, let the immeasurable come.
Let the unknowable touch the buckle of my spine.
Let the wind turn in the trees,
and the mystery hidden in the dirt

swing through the air.
How could I look at anything in this world
and tremble, and grip my hands over my heart?
What should I fear?

One morning
in the leafy green ocean
the honeycomb of the corn's beautiful body
is sure to be there.

-- Mary Oliver
MarilynMann - 27 Aug 2007 13:46 GMT
True Love

In silence the heart raves.  It utters words
Meaningless, that never had
A meaning.  I was ten, skinny, red-headed,

Freckled.  In a big black Buick,
Driven by a big grown boy, with a necktie, she sat
In front of the drugstore, sipping something

Through a straw. There is nothing like
Beauty. It stops your heart.  It
Thickens your blood.  It stops your breath.  It

Makes you feel dirty.  You need a hot bath.
I leaned against a telephone pole, and watched.
I thought I would die if she saw me.

How could I exist in the same world with that brightness?
Two years later she smiled at me.  She
Named my name. I thought I would wake up dead.

Her grown brothers walked with the bent-knee
Swagger of horsemen.  They were slick-faced.
Told jokes in the barbershop. Did no work.

Their father was what is called a drunkard.
Whatever he was he stayed on the third floor
Of the big white farmhouse under the maples for twenty-five years.

He never came down.  They brought everything up to him.
I did not know what a mortgage was.
His wife was a good, Christian woman, and prayed.

When the daughter got married, the old man came down wearing
An old tail coat, the pleated shirt yellowing.
The sons propped him.  I saw the wedding.  There were

Engraved invitations, it was so fashionable.  I thought
I would cry.  I lay in bed that night
And wondered if she would cry when something was done to her.

The mortgage was foreclosed. That last word was whispered.
She never came back.  The family
Sort of drifted off.  Nobody wears shiny boots like that now.

But I know she is beautiful forever, and lives
In a beautiful house, far away.
She called my name once.  I didn't even know she knew it.

-- Robert Penn Warren
MarilynMann - 29 Aug 2007 02:20 GMT
The Jumblies

I

They went to sea in a Sieve, they did,
  In a Sieve they went to sea:
In spite of all their friends could say,
On a winter's morn, on a stormy day,
  In a Sieve they went to sea!
And when the Sieve turned round and round,
And every one cried, "You'll all be drowned!"
They called aloud, "Our Sieve ain't big,
But we don't care a button! we don't care a fig!
  In a Sieve we'll go to sea!"
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

II

They sailed in a Sieve, they did,
  In a Sieve they sailed so fast,
With only a beautiful pea-green veil
Tied with a ribbon by way of a sail,
  To a small tobacco-pipe mast;
And every one said, who saw them go,"
0 won't they be soon upset, you know!
For the sky is dark, and the voyage is long,
And happen what may, it's extremely wrong
  In a Sieve to sail so fast!"
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

III

The water it soon came in, it did,
  The water it soon came in;
So to keep them dry, they wrapped their feet
In a pinky paper all folded neat,
  And they fastened it down with a pin.
And they passed the night in a crockery-jar,
And each of them said, "How wise we are!
Though the sky be dark, and the voyage be long,
Yet we never can think we were rash or wrong,
  While round in our Sieve we spin!"
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

IV

And all night long they sailed away;
  And when the sun went down,
They whistled and warbled a moony song
To the echoing sound of a coppery gong,
  In the shade of the mountains brown.
"0 Timballo! How happy we are,
When we live in a sieve and a crockery-jar,
And all night long in the moonlight pale,
We sail away with a pea-green sail,
  In the shade of the mountains brown!"
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

V

They sailed to the Western Sea, they did,
  To a land all covered with trees,
And they bought an Owl, and a useful Cart,
And a pound of Rice, and a Cranberry Tart,
  And a hive of silvery Bees.
And they bought a Pig, and some green Jack-daws,
And a lovely Monkey with lollipop paws,
And forty bottles of Ring-Bo-Ree,
  And no end of Stilton Cheese.
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

VI

And in twenty years they all came back,
  In twenty years or more,
And every one said, "How tall they've grown!
For they've been to the Lakes, and the Torrible Zone,
  And the hills of the Chankly Bore";
And they drank their health, and gave them a feast
Of dumplings made of beautiful yeast;
And every one said, "If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,--
  To the hills of the Chankly Bore!"
     Far and few, far and few,
        Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
     Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
        And they went to sea in a Sieve.

-- Edward Lear
MarilynMann - 29 Aug 2007 14:17 GMT
Loch Lomond

By yon bonnie banks and by yon bonnie braes,
Where the sun shines bright on Loch Lomond
Where me and my true love were ever wont to gae,
On the bonnie bonnie banks of Loch Lomond.

Oh! Ye'll take the high road, and I'll take the low road,
And I'll be in Scotland afore ye,
But me and my true love will never meet again,
On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Loch Lomond.

'Twas then that we parted, In yon shady glen,
On the steep, steep side of Ben Lomond,
Where, in purple hue, The highland hills we view,
And the moon coming out in the gloaming.

The wee birdies sing, And the wild flowers spring,
And in sunshine the waters sleeping.
But the broken heart it kens, Nae second spring again,
Though the waeful may cease frae their greeting.

-- traditional

Background: Two of Bonnie Prince Charlie's men were captured and left
behind in Carlisle after the failed rising of 1745. One young soldier
was to be executed, the other released. The Spirit of the dead soldier
travelling by the 'low road' would reach Scotland before his comrade,
who would be struggling along the actual road over high, rugged
country.
MarilynMann - 30 Aug 2007 15:01 GMT
Sea Surface Full Of Clouds

I

In that November off Tehuantepec,
The slopping of the sea grew still one night
And in the morning summer hued the deck

And made one think of rosy chocolate
And gilt umbrellas. Paradisal green
Gave suavity to the perplexed machine

Of ocean, which like limpid water lay.
Who, then, in that ambrosial latitude
Out of the light evolved the morning blooms,

Who, then, evolved the sea-blooms from the clouds
Diffusing balm in that Pacific calm?
C'?tait mon enfant, mon bijou, mon ?me.

The sea-clouds whitened far below the calm
And moved, as blooms move, in the swimming green
And in its watery radiance, while the hue

Of heaven in an antique reflection rolled
Round those flotillas. And sometimes the sea
Poured brilliant iris on the glistening blue.

                       II

In that November off Tehuantepec
The slopping of the sea grew still one night.
At breakfast jelly yellow streaked the deck

And made one think of chop-house chocolate
And sham umbrellas. And a sham-like green
Capped summer-seeming on the tense machine

Of ocean, which in sinister flatness lay.
Who, then, beheld the rising of the clouds
That strode submerged in that malevolent sheen,

Who saw the mortal massives of the blooms
Of water moving on the water-floor?
C'?tait mon fr?re du ciel, ma vie, mon or.

The gongs rang loudly as the windy booms
Hoo-hooed it in the darkened ocean-blooms.
The gongs grew still. And then blue heaven spread

Its crystalline pendentives on the sea
And the macabre of the water-glooms
In an enormous undulation fled.

                       III

In that November off Tehuantepec,
The slopping of the sea grew still one night
And a pale silver patterned on the deck

And made one think of porcelain chocolate
And pied umbrellas. An uncertain green,
Piano-polished, held the tranced machine

Of ocean, as a prelude holds and holds,
Who, seeing silver petals of white blooms
Unfolding in the water, feeling sure

Of the milk within the saltiest spurge, heard, then,
The sea unfolding in the sunken clouds?
Oh! C'?tait mon extase et mon amour.

So deeply sunken were they that the shrouds,
The shrouding shadows, made the petals black
Until the rolling heaven made them blue,

A blue beyond the rainy hyacinth,
And smiting the crevasses of the leaves
Deluged the ocean with a sapphire blue.

                       IV

In that November off Tehuantepec
The night-long slopping of the sea grew still.
A mallow morning dozed upon the deck

And made one think of musky chocolate
And frail umbrellas. A too-fluent green
Suggested malice in the dry machine

Of ocean, pondering dank stratagem.
Who then beheld the figures of the clouds
Like blooms secluded in the thick marine?

Like blooms? Like damasks that were shaken off
>From the loosed girdles in the spangling must.
C'?tait ma foi, la nonchalance divine.

The nakedness would rise and suddenly turn
Salt masks of beard and mouths of bellowing,
Would-But more suddenly the heaven rolled

Its bluest sea-clouds in the thinking green,
And the nakedness became the broadest blooms,
Mile-mallows that a mallow sun cajoled.

                       V

In that November off Tehuantepec
Night stilled the slopping of the sea.
The day came, bowing and voluble, upon the deck,

Good clown... One thought of Chinese chocolate
And large umbrellas. And a motley green
Followed the drift of the obese machine

Of ocean, perfected in indolence.
What pistache one, ingenious and droll,
Beheld the sovereign clouds as jugglery

And the sea as turquoise-turbaned Sambo, neat
At tossing saucers-cloudy-conjuring sea?
C'?tait mon esprit b?tard, l'ignominie.

The sovereign clouds came clustering. The conch
Of loyal conjuration trumped. The wind
Of green blooms turning crisped the motley hue

To clearing opalescence. Then the sea
And heaven rolled as one and from the two
Came fresh transfigurings of freshest blue.

-- Wallace Stevens
MarilynMann - 31 Aug 2007 11:25 GMT
I See the Boys of Summer
I

I see the boys of summer in their ruin
Lay the gold tithings barren,
Setting no store by harvest, freeze the soils;
There in their heat the winter floods
Of frozen loves they fetch their girls,
And drown the cargoed apples in their tides.

These boys of light are curdlers in their folly,
Sour the boiling honey;
The jacks of frost they finger in the hives;
There in the sun the frigid threads
Of doubt and dark they feed their nerves;
The signal moon is zero in their voids.

I see the summer children in their mothers
Split up the brawned womb's weathers,
Divide the night and day with fairy thumbs;
There in the deep with quartered shades
Of sun and moon they paint their dams
As sunlight paints the shelling of their heads.

I see that from these boys shall men of nothing
Stature by seedy shifting,
Or lame the air with leaping from its hearts;
There from their hearts the dogdayed pulse
Of love and light bursts in their throats.
O see the pulse of summer in the ice.

II

But seasons must be challenged or they totter
Into a chiming quarter
Where, punctual as death, we ring the stars;
There, in his night, the black-tongued bells
The sleepy man of winter pulls,
Nor blows back moon-and-midnight as she blows.

We are the dark deniers, let us summon
Death from a summer woman,
A muscling life from lovers in their cramp,
>From the fair dead who flush the sea
The bright-eyed worm on Davy's lamp,
And from the planted womb the man of straw.

We summer boys in this four-winded spinning,
Green of the seaweed's iron,
Hold up the noisy sea and drop her birds,
Pick the world's ball of wave and froth
To choke the deserts with her tides,
And comb the county gardens for a wreath.

In spring we cross our foreheads with the holly,
Heigh ho the blood and berry,
And nail the merry squires to the trees;
Here love's damp muscle dries and dies,
Here break a kiss in no love's quarry.
O see the poles of promise in the boys.

III

I see the boys of summer in their ruin.
Man in his maggot's barren.
And boys are full and foreign in the pouch.
I am the man your father was.
We are the sons of flint and pitch.
O see the poles are kissing as they cross.

--Dylan Thomas
MarilynMann - 01 Sep 2007 15:35 GMT
Dream Song 29

There sat down, once, a thing on Henry's heart
s? heavy, if he had a hundred years
& more, & weeping, sleepless, in all them time
Henry could not make good.
Starts again always in Henry's ears
the little cough somewhere, an odour, a chime.

And there is another thing he has in mind
like a grave Sienese face a thousand years
would fail to blur the still profiled reproach of.  Ghastly,
with open eyes, he attends, blind.
All the bells say: too late.  This is not for tears;
thinking.

But never did Henry, as he thought he did,
end anyone and hacks her body up
and hide the pieces, where they may be found.
He knows: he went over everyone, & nobody's missing.
Often he reckons, in the dawn, them up.
Nobody is ever missing.

-- John Berryman
MarilynMann - 01 Sep 2007 19:35 GMT
> Dream Song 29
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> -- John Berryman

John Berryman is kind of an acquired taste.  You English majors out
there will be familiar with him, others maybe not.

Here's a quote for today:

"Somewhere we know that without silence words lose their meaning, that
without listening speaking no longer heals, that without distance
closeness cannot cure."

-- Henri Nouwen
MarilynMann - 02 Sep 2007 14:12 GMT
"You know that song 'If a body catch a body comin' through the rye'?
I'd like - "
"It's 'If a body meet a body coming through the rye'!" old Phoebe
said. "It's a poem. By Robert Burns."
"I know it's a poem by Robert Burns."
She was right, though. It is "If a body meet a body coming through the
rye." I didn't know it then, though.
"I thought it was 'If a body catch a body,'" I said. "Anyway, I keep
picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of
rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around - nobody
big, I mean - except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy
cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to
go over the cliff - I mean if they're running and they don't look
where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them.
That's all I'd do all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all.
I know it's crazy, but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I
know it's crazy."

from Catcher in the Rye, by J.D. Salinger

Here's the poem:

Coming through the Rye

Coming thro' the rye, poor body,
Coming thro' the rye,
She draiglet a' her petticoatie
Coming thro' the rye.

O, Jenny's a' wat, poor body;
Jenny's seldom dry;
She draiglet a' her petticoatie
Coming thro' the rye.

Gin a body meet a body
Coming thro' the rye,
Gin a body kiss a body -
Need a body cry?

Gin a body meet a body
Coming thro' the glen,
Gin a body kiss a body -
Need the warld ken?

-- Robert Burns
MarilynMann - 03 Sep 2007 11:42 GMT
Ballad

(after the spanish)

forgive me if i laugh
you are so sure of love
you are so young
and i too old to learn of love.

the rain exploding
in the air is love
the grass excreting her
green wax is love
and stones remembering
past steps is love,
but you. you are too young
for love
and i too old.

once. what does it matter
when or who, i knew
of love.
i fixed my body
under his and went
to sleep in love
all trace of me
was wiped away

forgive me if i smile
young heiress of a naked dream
you are so young
and i too old to learn of love.

-- Sonia Sanchez
MarilynMann - 04 Sep 2007 17:49 GMT
Improvisations On A Sentence By Poe

"Indefiniteness is an element of the true music."
The grand concord of what
Does not stoop to definition.  The seagull
Alone on the pier cawing its head off
Over no fish, no other seagull,
No ocean.  As absolutely devoid of meaning
As a French horn.
It is not even an orchestra.  Concord
Alone on a pier.  The grand concord of what
Does not stoop to definition.  No fish
No other seagull, no ocean-the true
Music.

-- Jack Spicer
MarilynMann - 07 Sep 2007 17:06 GMT
Seeing Off a Friend

Green hills above the northern wall,
White water winding east of the city.
On this spot our single act of parting,
The lonely tumbleweed journeys ten thousand li.
Drifting clouds echo the traveller's thoughts,
The setting sun reflects my old friend's feelings.
You wave your hand and set off from this place,
Your horse whinnies as it leaves.

-- Li Bai
MarilynMann - 08 Sep 2007 21:31 GMT
The Circle Game

Yesterday, a child came out to wonder,
Caught a dragonfly inside a jar
Fearful when the sky was full of thunder,
And tearful at the falling of a star

And the seasons, they go round and round,
And the painted ponies go up and down,
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came,
And go round and round and round in the circle game

Then the child moved ten times round the seasons,
Skated over ten clear, frozen streams
Words like, 'when you're older,' must appease him,
And promises of someday make his dreams

And the seasons, they go round and round,
And the painted ponies go up and down,
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came,
And go round and round and round in the circle game

Sixteen springs and sixteen summers gone now,
Cartwheels turn to car wheels through the town
And they tell him, take your time, it won't be long now,
Till you drag your feet to slow the circles down

And the seasons, they go round and round,
And the painted ponies go up and down,
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came,
And go round and round and round in the circle game

So, the years spin by and now the boy is twenty,
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
There'll be new dreams, maybe better dreams and plenty,
Before the last revolving year is through

And the seasons, they go round and round,
And the painted ponies go up and down,
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came,
And go round and round and round in the circle game
And go round and round and round in the circle game

-- Joni Mitchell
MarilynMann - 09 Sep 2007 15:30 GMT
The Water is Wide

The water is wide, I cannot get oer
Neither have I wings to fly
Give me a boat that can carry two
And both shall row, my love and I

A ship there is and she sails the sea
She's loaded deep as deep can be
But not so deep as the love I'm in
I know not if I sink or swim

I leaned my back against an oak
Thinking it was a trusty tree
But first it bent and then it broke
So did my love prove false to me

I reached my finger into some soft bush
Thinking the fairest flower to find
I pricked my finger to the bone
And left the fairest flower behind

Oh love be handsome and love be kind
Gay as a jewel when first it is new
But love grows old and waxes cold
And fades away like the morning dew

Must I go bound while you go free
Must I love a man who doesn't love me
Must I be born with so little art
As to love a man who'll break my heart

When cockle shells turn silver bells
Then will my love come back to me
When roses bloom in winter's gloom
Then will my love return to me

-- traditional (there are many versions)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTNSDjGHjQ (acoustic version by Ed
Gerhard)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clSZU1HRxJE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0fLlvRsjc&mode=related&search= (James
Taylor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cuei2KMtGU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk4NEoH5PiQ&mode=related&search=
(Indigo Girls/Sarah MacLachlan/Jewel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLSYZ2UqMqg (Niamh Parsons)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTQLViKaiss (Wendy Matthews)

http://www.ireland-information.com/irishmusic/thewateriswide.shtml

http://ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden/php/music/Water.mp3 (Roger McGuinn)

I recommend the versions by Ed Gerhard, James Taylor and Niamh
Parsons.

The oldest lyrics are written in the Scots language:

O WALY, waly, (a lament - "woe is me") up the bank,
And waly, waly, doun the brae (hill),
And waly, waly, yon burn-side (riverside),
Where I and my Love wont to gae!

I lean'd my back unto an aik (oak),
I thocht it was a trustie tree;
But first it bow'd and syne (soon) it brak (broke)
Sae my true love did lichtlie (lightly) me.

O waly, waly, gin love be bonnie,
A little time while it is new!
But when 'tis auld, it waxeth cauld,
And fades awa' like morning dew.

O wherefore should I busk my heid (adorn my head),
Or wherefore should I kame (comb) my hair?
For my true Love has me forsook,
And says he'll never lo'e me mair (more).

Now Arthur's Seat (landmark located in Edinburgh, Scotland)
sall (shall) be my bed (burial place),
The sheets sall ne'er be 'filed by me;
Saint Anton's well (close to Arthur's Seat) sall be my drink;
Since my true Love has forsaken me.

Marti'mas (11th of November) wind,
when wilt thou blaw (blow),
And shake the green leaves aff the tree?
O gentle Death, when wilt thou come?
For of my life I am wear?e.

'Tis not the frost, that freezes fell,
Nor blawing snaw's (snow) inclemencie,
'Tis not sic cauld (the cold) that makes me cry;
But my Love's heart grown cauld to me.

When we cam in by Glasgow toun,
We were a comely sicht (sight) to see;
My Love was clad in the black velv?t,
And I mysel in cramasie (crimson).

But had I wist (known), before I kist,
That love had been sae ill to win,
I had lock'd my heart in a case o' gowd (gold),
And pinn'd it wi' a siller (silver) pin.

And O! if my young babe were born,
And set upon the nurse's knee;
And I mysel were dead and gane,
And the green grass growing over me!

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 13 Sep 2007 22:11 GMT
After Arguing Against The Contention That Art Must Come From
Discontent

Whispering to each handhold, "I'll be back,"
I go up the cliff in the dark. One place
I loosen a rock and listen a long time
till it hits, faint in the gulf, but the rush
of the torrent almost drowns it out, and the wind --
I almost forgot the wind: it tears at your side
or it waits and then buffets; you sag outward...

I remember they said it would be hard. I scramble
by luck into a little pocket out of
the wind and begin to beat on the stones
with my scratched numb hands, rocking back and forth
in silent laughter there in the dark--
"Made it again!" Oh how I love this climb!
-- the whispering to the stones, the drag, the weight
as your muscles crack and ease on, working
right. They are back there, discontent,
waiting to be driven forth. I pound
on the earth, riding the earth past the stars:
"Made it again! Made it again!"

Mary Oliver
MarilynMann - 14 Sep 2007 16:22 GMT
Songs To Aging Children Come

Through the windless wells of wonder
By the throbbing light machine
In a tea leaf trance or under
Orders from the king and queen

Songs to aging children come
Aging children, I am one

People hurry by so quickly
Don't they hear the melodies
In the chiming and the clicking
And the laughing harmonies

Songs to aging children come
Aging children, I am one

Some come dark and strange like dying
Crows and ravens whistling
Lines of weeping, strings of crying
So much said in listening

Songs to aging children come
Aging children, I am one

Does the moon play only silver
When it strums the galaxy
Dying roses will they will their
Perfumed rhapsodies to me

Songs to aging children came
This is one

-- Joni Mitchell
William Wagner - 14 Sep 2007 18:56 GMT
And because Love battles



And because love battles
not only in its burning agricultures
but also in the mouth of men and women,
I will finish off by taking the path away
to those who between my chest and your fragrance
want to interpose their obscure plant.

About me, nothing worse
they will tell you, my love,
than what I told you.

I lived in the prairies
before I got to know you
and I did not wait love but I was
laying in wait for and I jumped on the rose.

What more can they tell you?
I am neither good nor bad but a man,
and they will then associate the danger
of my life, which you know
and which with your passion you shared.

And good, this danger
is danger of love, of complete love
for all life,
for all lives,
and if this love brings us
the death and the prisons,
I am sure that your big eyes,
as when I kiss them,
will then close with pride,
into double pride, love,
with your pride and my pride.

But to my ears they will come before
to wear down the tour
of the sweet and hard love which binds us,
and they will say: "The one
you love,
is not a woman for you,
Why do you love her? I think
you could find one more beautiful,
more serious, more deep,
more other, you understand me, look how she's light,
and what a head she has,
and look at how she dresses,
and etcetera and etcetera".

And I in these lines say:
Like this I want you, love,
love, Like this I love you,
as you dress
and how your hair lifts up
and how your mouth smiles,
light as the water
of the spring upon the pure stones,
Like this I love you, beloved.

To bread I do not ask to teach me
but only not to lack during every day of life.
I don't know anything about light, from where
it comes nor where it goes,
I only want the light to light up,
I do not ask to the night
explanations,
I wait for it and it envelops me,
And so you, bread and light
And shadow are.

You came to my life
with what you were bringing,
made
of light and bread and shadow I expected you,
and Like this I need you,
Like this I love you,
and to those who want to hear tomorrow
that which I will not tell them, let them read it here,
and let them back off today because it is early
for these arguments.

Tomorrow we will only give them
a leaf of the tree of our love, a leaf
which will fall on the earth
like if it had been made by our lips
like a kiss which falls
from our invincible heights
to show the fire and the tenderness
of a true love.

Pablo Neruda

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MarilynMann - 14 Sep 2007 19:43 GMT
> And because Love battles
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> http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid

Nice, thanks.

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 15 Sep 2007 23:42 GMT
the river-
coming to it with nothing
in my hands

-- Leatrice Lifshitz
MarilynMann - 16 Sep 2007 16:10 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S5W4ydtM6w&mode=related&search=

I pulled into Nazareth, I was feelin' about half past dead;
I just need some place where I can lay my head.
"Hey, mister, can you tell me where a man might find a bed?"
He just grinned and shook my hand, and "No!", was all he said.

(Chorus:)
Take a load off Fannie, take a load for free;
Take a load off Fannie, And (and) (and) you can put the load right on
me.

I picked up my bag, I went lookin' for a place to hide;
When I saw Carmen and the Devil walkin' side by side.
I said, "Hey, Carmen, come on, let's go downtown."
She said, "I gotta go, but m'friend can stick around."

(Chorus)

Go down, Miss Moses, there's nothin' you can say
It's just ol' Luke, and Luke's waitin' on the Judgment Day.
"Well, Luke, my friend, what about young Anna Lee?"
He said, "Do me a favor, son, woncha stay an' keep Anna Lee company?"

(Chorus)

Crazy Chester followed me, and he caught me in the fog.
He said, "I will fix your rags, if you'll take Jack, my dog."
I said, "Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man."
He said, "That's okay, boy, won't you feed him when you can."

(Chorus)

Catch a Cannonball, now, t'take me down the line
My bag is sinkin' low and I do believe it's time.
To get back to Miss Annie, you know she's the only one.
Who sent me here with her regards for everyone.

(Chorus)

The Band  --  The Weight  -- 1969

1969:  I was 14, the Vietnam War was in fulll swing  . . . My friends
and I held teach-ins in social studies classes . . . went to anti-war
marches . . . the country still reeling from the assassinations of
Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy . . .  one of my childhood
friends went up to San Francisco and jumped off the Golden Gate
bridge . . . I read The Autobiography of Malcolm X . . .

2007:  My daughter is now 14 . . .

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 18 Sep 2007 14:08 GMT
Poppies

The poppies send up their
orange flares; swaying
in the wind, their congregations
are a levitation

of bright dust, of thin
and lacy leaves.
There isn't a place
in this world that doesn't

sooner or later drown
in the indigos of darkness,
but now, for a while,
the roughage

shines like a miracle
as it floats above everything
with its yellow hair.
Of course nothing stops the cold,

black, curved blade
from hooking forward-
of course
loss is the great lesson.

But I also say this: that light
is an invitation
to happiness,
and that happiness,

when it's done right,
is a kind of holiness,
palpable and redemptive.
Inside the bright fields,

touched by their rough and spongy gold,
I am washed and washed
in the river
of earthly delight-

and what are you going to do-
what can you do
about it-
deep, blue night?

-- Mary Oliver
Jim Chinnis - 19 Sep 2007 03:09 GMT
MarilynMann <mannm@comcast.net> wrote in part:

>Poppies

Wonderful! Great find.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
MarilynMann - 19 Sep 2007 15:10 GMT
A Song On the End of the World

On the day the world ends
A bee circles a clover,
A fisherman mends a glimmering net.
Happy porpoises jump in the sea,
By the rainspout young sparrows are playing
And the snake is gold-skinned as it should always be.

On the day the world ends
Women walk through the fields under their umbrellas,
A drunkard grows sleepy at the edge of a lawn,
Vegetable peddlers shout in the street
And a yellow-sailed boat comes nearer the island,
The voice of a violin lasts in the air
And leads into a starry night.

And those who expected lightning and thunder
Are disappointed.
And those who expected signs and archangels' trumps
Do not believe it is happening now.
As long as the sun and the moon are above,
As long as the bumblebee visits a rose,
As long as rosy infants are born
No one believes it is happening now.

Only a white-haired old man, who would be a prophet
Yet is not a prophet, for he's much too busy,
Repeats while he binds his tomatoes:
No other end of the world will there be,
No other end of the world will there be.

-- Czeslaw Milosz
Translated by Anthony Milosz
Cary Kittrell - 19 Sep 2007 19:35 GMT
> A Song On the End of the World
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> -- Czeslaw Milosz
> Translated by Anthony Milosz

That's quite entrancing.
MarilynMann - 20 Sep 2007 20:57 GMT
The Walrus and the Carpenter

The sun was shining on the sea,
  Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
  The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
  The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
  Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
  After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
  "To come and spoil the fun!"

The sea was wet as wet could be,
  The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud because
  No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
  There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
  Were walking close at hand:
They wept like anything to see
  Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
  They said, "it would be grand!"

"If seven maids with seven mops
  Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
  "That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
  And shed a bitter tear.

"0 Oysters, come and walk with us!"
  The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
  Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
  To give a hand to each."

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
  But never a word he said;
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
  And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
  To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
  All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
  Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
  They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
  And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
  And more and more and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
  And scrambling to the shore.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
  Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
  Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
  And waited in a row.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
  "To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
  Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
  And whether pigs have wings."

"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
  "Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
  And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
  They thanked him much for that.

"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
  "Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
  Are very good indeed--
Now, if you're ready, Oysters dear,
  We can begin to feed."

"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
  Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
  A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said,
  "Do you admire the view?

"It was so kind of you to come!
  And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
  "Cut us another slice.
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
  I've had to ask you twice!"

"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
  "To play them such a trick.
After we've brought them out so far,
  And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
  "The butter's spread too thick!"

"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
  "I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
  Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
  Before his streaming eyes.

"0 Oysters," said the Carpenter,
  "You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?"
  But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
  They'd eaten every one.

-- Lewis Carroll
MarilynMann - 21 Sep 2007 16:26 GMT
When I Have Fears that I May Cease to Be

When I have fears that I may cease to be
 Before my pen has glean'd my teeming brain,
Before high piled books, in charact'ry,
 Hold like rich garners the full-ripen'd grain;
When I behold, upon the night's starr'd face,
 Huge cloudy symbols of a high romance,
And think that I may never live to trace
 Their shadows, with the magic hand of chance;
And when I feel, fair creature of an hour!
 That I shall never look upon thee more,
Never have relish in the faery power
 Of unreflecting love!-then on the shore
Of the wide world I stand alone, and think
Till Love and Fame to nothingness do sink.

-- John Keats
William Wagner - 21 Sep 2007 21:16 GMT
> When I Have Fears that I May Cease to Be
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>  -- John Keats

"Nothing Gold Can Stay"

Nature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

Robert Frost

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MarilynMann - 22 Sep 2007 19:48 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0WMBYQL14 (The Band, 1970)

I Shall Be Released

They say ev'rything can be replaced,
Yet ev'ry distance is not near.
So I remember ev'ry face
Of ev'ry man who put me here.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

They say ev'ry man needs protection,
They say ev'ry man must fall.
Yet I swear I see my reflection
Some place so high above this wall.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

Standing next to me in this lonely crowd,
Is a man who swears he's not to blame.
All day long I hear him shout so loud,
Crying out that he was framed.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

-- Bob Dylan

I'm showing my age again, but WTF . . .

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 22 Sep 2007 20:25 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0WMBYQL14U

The Band, covering "I Shall Be Released," by Bob Dylan.

They say ev'rything can be replaced,
Yet ev'ry distance is not near.
So I remember ev'ry face
Of ev'ry man who put me here.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

They say ev'ry man needs protection,
They say ev'ry man must fall.
Yet I swear I see my reflection
Some place so high above this wall.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

Standing next to me in this lonely crowd,
Is a man who swears he's not to blame.
All day long I hear him shout so loud,
Crying out that he was framed.
I see my light come shining
>From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.
MarilynMann - 23 Sep 2007 17:35 GMT
My Papa's Waltz

The whiskey on your breath
Could make a small boy dizzy;
But I hung on like death:
Such waltzing was not easy.

We romped until the pans
Slid from the kitchen shelf,
My mother's countenance
Could not unfrown itself.

The hand that held my wrist
Was battered on one knuckle;
At every step you missed
My right ear scraped a buckle.

You beat time on my head
With a palm caked hard by dirt,
Then waltzed me off to bed
Still clinging to your shirt.

-- Theodore Roethke
MarilynMann - 23 Sep 2007 17:49 GMT
Arms and the Boy

Let the boy try along this bayonet-blade
How cold steel is, and keen with hunger of blood;
Blue with all malice, like a madman's flash;
And thinly drawn with famishing for flesh.

Lend him to stroke these blind, blunt bullet-heads
Which long to muzzle in the hearts of lads.
Or give him cartridges of fine zinc teeth,
Sharp with the sharpness of grief and death.

For his teeth seem for laughing round an apple.
There lurk no claws behind his fingers supple;
And God will grow no talons at his heels,
Nor antlers through the thickness of his curls.

-- Wilfred Owen
MarilynMann - 24 Sep 2007 20:58 GMT
Dreams

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.

-- Langston Hughes
MarilynMann - 25 Sep 2007 11:08 GMT
Western wind, when wilt thou blow,
That the small rain down can rain?
Christ, that my love were in my arms,
And I in my bed again.

-- Anon.
MarilynMann - 27 Sep 2007 17:15 GMT
For Esm? with Love and Squalor
www.freeweb.hu/tchl/salinger/squalor.html
MarilynMann - 28 Sep 2007 15:47 GMT
I measure every Grief I meet (561)

I measure every Grief I meet
With narrow, probing, Eyes -
I wonder if It weighs like Mine -
Or has an Easier size.

I wonder if They bore it long -
Or did it just begin -
I could not tell the Date of Mine -
It feels so old a pain -

I wonder if it hurts to live -
And if They have to try -
And whether - could They choose between -
It would not be - to die -

I note that Some - gone patient long -
At length, renew their smile -
An imitation of a Light
That has so little Oil -

I wonder if when Years have piled -
Some Thousands - on the Harm -
That hurt them early - such a lapse
Could give them any Balm -

Or would they go on aching still
Through Centuries of Nerve -
Enlightened to a larger Pain -
In Contrast with the Love -

The Grieved - are many - I am told -
There is the various Cause -
Death - is but one - and comes but once -
And only nails the eyes -

There's Grief of Want - and grief of Cold -
A sort they call "Despair" -
There's Banishment from native Eyes -
In Sight of Native Air -

And though I may not guess the kind -
Correctly - yet to me
A piercing Comfort it affords
In passing Calvary -

To note the fashions - of the Cross -
And how they're mostly worn -
Still fascinated to presume
That Some - are like My Own -

-- Emily Dickinson
MarilynMann - 29 Sep 2007 12:59 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrEqIpi6sg&mode=related&search=
(Joni, live, 1970)

Both Sides, Now

Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way

But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
>From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all

Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels
The dizzy dancing way you feel
As every fairy tale comes real
I've looked at love that way

But now it's just another show
You leave 'em laughing when you go
And if you care, don't let them know
Don't give yourself away

I've looked at love from both sides now
>From give and take, and still somehow
It's love's illusions I recall
I really don't know love at all

Tears and fears and feeling proud
To say "I love you" right out loud
Dreams and schemes and circus crowds
I've looked at life that way

But now old friends are acting strange
They shake their heads, they say I've changed
Well something's lost, but something's gained
In living every day

I've looked at life from both sides now
>From win and lose and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all
I've looked at life from both sides now
>From up and down, and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all

-- Joni Mitchell
MarilynMann - 29 Sep 2007 21:55 GMT
Will You Go, Lassie, Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7Rz6XxnvE&mode=related&search=
William Wagner - 29 Sep 2007 22:24 GMT
> Will You Go, Lassie, Go
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7Rz6XxnvE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFjH4ZqwOB4

Bill

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MarilynMann - 30 Sep 2007 15:35 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gX_52aCWQ&mode=related&search= (Tommy
Makem and the Clancy Bros.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO1nRoduvLw   (hard to disagree with
the sentiments expressed at the end of this video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970Kx6M_Mgo&mode=related&search= (Dylan
at the March on Washington)

When the Ship Comes In

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 01 Oct 2007 14:10 GMT
Journey into the Interior

In the long journey out of the self,
There are many detours, washed-out interrupted raw places
Where the shale slides dangerously
And the back wheels hang almost over the edge
At the sudden veering, the moment of turning.
Better to hug close, wary of rubble and falling stones.
The arroyo cracking the road, the wind-bitten buttes, the canyons,
Creeks swollen in midsummer from the flash-flood roaring into the
narrow valley.
Reeds beaten flat by wind and rain,
Grey from the long winter, burnt at the base in late summer.
-- Or the path narrowing,
Winding upward toward the stream with its sharp stones,
The upland of alder and birchtrees,
Through the swamp alive with quicksand,
The way blocked at last by a fallen fir-tree,
The thickets darkening,
The ravines ugly.

-- Theodore Roethke
MarilynMann - 04 Oct 2007 01:56 GMT
Circle Game

Yesterday a child came out to wonder
Caught a dragonfly inside a jar
Fearful when the sky was full of thunder
And tearful at the falling of a star
Then the child moved ten times round the seasons
Skated over ten clear frozen streams
Words like, when youre older, must appease him
And promises of someday make his dreams
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
Were captive on the carousel of time
We cant return we can only look behind
>From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

Sixteen springs and sixteen summers gone now
Cartwheels turn to car wheels thru the town
And they tell him,
Take your time, it wont be long now
Till you drag your feet to slow the circles down
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
Were captive on the carousel of time
We cant return we can only look behind
>From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

So the years spin by and now the boy is twenty
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
Therell be new dreams, maybe better dreams and plenty
Before the last revolving year is through
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
Were captive on the carousel of time
We cant return, we can only look behind
>From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

-- Joni Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxOSmGrtA4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7uySNpUyw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYB2jB8vis&mode=related&search=
MarilynMann - 04 Oct 2007 15:10 GMT
Richard Corey

Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
 We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
 Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
 And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
 "Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich-yes, richer than a king,
 And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
 To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
 And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
 Went home and put a bullet through his head.

-- Edwin Arlington Robinson
MarilynMann - 06 Oct 2007 16:28 GMT
Bells For John Whiteside's Daughter

There was such speed in her little body,
And such lightness in her footfall,
It is no wonder her brown study Astonishes us all

Her wars were bruited in our high window.
We looked among orchard trees and beyond
Where she took arms against her shadow,
Or harried unto the pond

The lazy geese, like a snow cloud
Dripping their snow on the green grass,
Tricking and stopping, sleepy and proud,
Who cried in goose, Alas,

For the tireless heart within the little
Lady with rod that made them rise
>From their noon apple-dreams and scuttle
Goose-fashion under the skies!

But now go the bells, and we are ready,
In one house we are sternly stopped
To say we are vexed at her brown study,
Lying so primly propped.

-- John Crowe Ransom
MarilynMann - 07 Oct 2007 19:59 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4SbYot90M

My Back Pages

Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin' high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
"We'll meet on edges, soon," said I
Proud 'neath heated brow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
"Rip down all hate," I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull. I dreamed
Romantic facts of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Girls' faces formed the forward path
>From phony jealousy
To memorizing politics
Of ancient history
Flung down by corpse evangelists
Unthought of, though, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

A self-ordained professor's tongue
Too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty
Is just equality in school
"Equality," I spoke the word
As if a wedding vow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

-- Bob Dylan
MarilynMann - 10 Oct 2007 02:44 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbeUnn-AUA

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Though I know that evenin's empire has returned into sand,
Vanished from my hand,
Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping.
My weariness amazes me, I'm branded on my feet,
I have no one to meet
And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship,
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'.
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way,
I promise to go under it.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Though you might hear laughin', spinnin', swingin' madly across the
sun,
It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
And but for the sky there are no fences facin'.
And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme
To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind,
I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're
Seein' that he's chasing.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.
MarilynMann - 11 Oct 2007 19:19 GMT
O Taste and See

The world is
not with us enough.
O taste and see

the subway poster said,
meaning The Lord, meaning
if anything all that lives
to the imagination's tongue

grief, mercy, language,
tangerine, weather, to
breathe them, bite,
savior, chew, swallow, transform

into our flesh our
deaths, crossing the street, plum, quince,
living in the orchard and being

hungry, and plucking
the fruit.

-- Denise Levertov
MarilynMann - 14 Oct 2007 19:41 GMT
The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll

William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger
At a Baltimore hotel society gath'rin'.
And the cops were called in and his weapon took from him
As they rode him in custody down to the station
And booked William Zanzinger for first-degree murder.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

William Zanzinger, who at twenty-four years
Owns a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
And high office relations in the politics of Maryland,
Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling,
In a matter of minutes on bail was out walking.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

Hattie Carroll was a maid of the kitchen.
She was fifty-one years old and gave birth to ten children
Who carried the dishes and took out the garbage
And never sat once at the head of the table
And didn't even talk to the people at the table
Who just cleaned up all the food from the table
And emptied the ashtrays on a whole other level,
Got killed by a blow, lay slain by a cane
That sailed through the air and came down through the room,
Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle.
And she never done nothing to William Zanzinger.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
To show that all's equal and that the courts are on the level
And that the strings in the books ain't pulled and persuaded
And that even the nobles get properly handled
Once that the cops have chased after and caught 'em
And that the ladder of law has no top and no bottom,
Stared at the person who killed for no reason
Who just happened to be feelin' that way without warnin'.
And he spoke through his cloak, most deep and distinguished,
And handed out strongly, for penalty and repentance,
William Zanzinger with a six-month sentence.
Oh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Bury the rag deep in your face
For now's the time for your tears.

-- Bob Dylan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhUdVHIj3w&mode=related&search=
MarilynMann - 16 Oct 2007 17:08 GMT
A child said, What is the grass?

A child said, What is the grass? fetching it to me with full
    hands;
How could I answer the child?. . . .I do not know what it
    is any more than he.

I guess it must be the flag of my disposition, out of hopeful
    green stuff woven.

Or I guess it is the handkerchief of the Lord,
A scented gift and remembrancer designedly dropped,
Bearing the owner's name someway in the corners, that we
    may see and remark, and say Whose?

Or I guess the grass is itself a child. . . .the produced babe
    of the vegetation.

Or I guess it is a uniform hieroglyphic,
And it means, Sprouting alike in broad zones and narrow
    zones,
Growing among black folks as among white,
Kanuck, Tuckahoe, Congressman, Cuff, I give them the
same, I receive them the same.

And now it seems to me the beautiful uncut hair of graves.

Tenderly will I use you curling grass,
It may be you transpire from the breasts of young men,
It may be if I had known them I would have loved them;
It may be you are from old people and from women, and
    from offspring taken soon out of their mother's laps,
And here you are the mother's laps.

This grass is very dark to be from the white heads of old
    mothers,
Darker than the colorless beards of old men,
Dark to come from under the faint red roofs of mouths.

O I perceive after all so many uttering tongues!
And I perceive they do not come from the roofs of mouths
    for nothing.

I wish I could translate the hints about the dead young men
    and women,
And the hints about old men and mothers, and the offspring
    taken soon out of their laps.

What do you think has become of the young and old men?
What do you think has become of the women and
    children?

They are alive and well somewhere;
The smallest sprouts show there is really no death,
And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait
    at the end to arrest it,
And ceased the moment life appeared.

All goes onward and outward. . . .and nothing collapses,
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and
    luckier.

-- Walt Whitman
MarilynMann - 21 Oct 2007 17:16 GMT
VLADIMIR
.  .  . Gogo... Gogo... Gogo !

ESTRAGON
Je dormais. Pourquoi tu ne me laisses jamais dormir?
(I was sleeping.  Why don't you ever let me sleep?)

VLADIMIR
Je me sentais seul.
(I felt alone.)

ESTRAGON
J'ai fait un r?ve.
(I was dreaming.)

VLADIMIR
Ne le raconte pas!
(Don't tell it!)

ESTRAGON
Je r?vais que...
(I dreamed that . . . )

VLADIMIR
NE LE RACONTE PAS!
(Don't tell it!)

ESTRAGON
Tu n'es pas gentil, Didi. A qui veux-tu que je raconte mes cauchemars
priv?s, sinon ? toi?
(You aren't nice, Didi.  To whom should I tell my private nightmares,
if not to you?)

VLADIMIR
Qu'ils restent priv?s. Tu sais bien que je ne supporte pas ?a.
(Let them stay private.  You know I can't stand that.)

-- Samuel Beckett, En Entendant Godot
MarilynMann - 26 Oct 2007 02:14 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMqA71ORNA

Lakes of Coolfin

It was early one morning young Willie arose
And off to his comrade's bedchamber he goes
Arise my dear comrade and let no one know
'Tis a fine sunny morning and a bathing we'll go

O Willie plunged and he swam the lake round
He swam to an island it was soft marshy ground
O comrade dear comrade do not venture in
There is deep and false water in the Lakes of Coolfin

It was early that morning Willie's sister arose
And up to her mother's bedchamber she goes
I dreamed a sad dream about Willie last night
He was dressed in a shroud, in a shroud of snow white

It was early that morning Willie's mother came in
she was wringing her hands and tearing her hair
Oh woe is the hour young Willie plunged in
For there is deep and false water in the Lakes of Coolfin

And I saw a fair maid standing by the shore
Her face it was pale she was weeping full sore
In deep anguish she gazed where young Willie plunged in
Ah there is deep and false water in the Lakes of Coolfin

-- traditional
MarilynMann - 28 Oct 2007 01:14 GMT
To My Brother Miguel in memoriam

Brother, today I sit on the brick bench outside the house,
where you make a bottomless emptiness.
I remember we used to play at this hour of the day, and mama
would calm us: "There now, boys..."
Now I go hide
as before, from all these evening
prayers, and I hope that you will not find me.
In the parlor, the entrance hall, the corridors.
Later, you hide, and I do not find you.
I remember we made each other cry,
brother, in that game.

Miguel, you hid yourself
one night in August, nearly at daybreak,
but instead of laughing when you hid, you were sad.
And your other heart of those dead afternoons
is tired of looking and not finding you.  And now
shadows fall on the soul.

Listen, brother, don't be too late
coming out. All right? Mama might worry.

-- C?sar Vallejo
Translated by Robert Bly
Cary Kittrell - 02 Aug 2007 00:15 GMT
> > so much depends
> > upon
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> wheelbarrow left by an unknown medieval craftsman on the roof of
> Notre Dame Cathedral.

Nope, that poem is what I was thinking of.

You didn't know about the poem ... but I didn't
know about the Notre Dame story.  What's that
one about?

-- cary
Cary Kittrell - 02 Aug 2007 00:13 GMT
> so much depends
> upon
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -- William Carlos Williams

Yep, that's the one.

-- cary
MarilynMann - 02 Aug 2007 11:20 GMT
A conversation with Jeanne

Let us not talk philosophy, drop it, Jeanne.
So many words, so much paper, who can stand it.
I told you the truth about my distancing myself.
I've stopped worrying about my misshapen life.
It was no better and no worse than the usual human tragedies.

For over thirty years we have been waging our dispute
As we do now, on the island under the skies of the tropics.
We flee a downpour, in an instant the bright sun again,
And I grow dumb, dazzled by the emerald essence of the leaves.

We submerge in foam at the line of the surf,
We swim far, to where the horizon is a tangle of banana bush,
With little windmills of palms.
And I am under accusation: That I am not up to my oeuvre,
That I do not demand enough from myself,
As I could have learned from Karl Jaspers,
That my scorn for the opinions of this age grows slack.

I roll on a wave and look at white clouds.

You are right, Jeanne, I don't know how to care about the salvation of
my soul.
Some are called, others manage as well as they can.
I accept it, what has befallen me is just.
I don't pretend to the dignity of a wise old age.
Untranslatable into words, I chose my home in what is now,
In things of this world, which exist and, for that reason, delight
us:
Nakedness of women on the beach, coppery cones of their breasts,
Hibiscus, alamanda, a red lily, devouring
With my eyes, lips, tongue, the guava juice, the juice of la prune de
Cyth?re,
Rum with ice and syrup, lianas-orchids
In a rain forest, where trees stand on the stilts of their roots.

Death, you say, mine and yours, closer and closer,
We suffered and this poor earth was not enough.
The purple-black earth of vegetable gardens
Will be here, either looked at or not.
The sea, as today, will breathe from its depths.
Growing small, I disappear in the immense, more and more free.

Guadeloupe

-- Czeslaw Milosz
MarilynMann - 02 Aug 2007 14:55 GMT
Sometimes a wheelbarrow is just a wheelbarrow.

Marilyn
Cary Kittrell - 02 Aug 2007 18:19 GMT
> A conversation with Jeanne
>
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> -- Czeslaw Milosz

Very nice.  I had never heard of Milosz.

That last stanza reminds me of Jeffers' "The beauty of things was born
before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heartbreaking
beauty will remain when there is no heart to break for it."

-- cary
MarilynMann - 02 Aug 2007 18:46 GMT
> In article <1186050050.809096.69...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> MarilynMann > > --
>
> Very nice.  I had never heard of Milosz.

He won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1980.

> That last stanza reminds me of Jeffers' "The beauty of things was born
> before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heartbreaking
> beauty will remain when there is no heart to break for it."

Yes.

Marilyn
MarilynMann - 12 Aug 2007 20:36 GMT
She will fast miss rigid and sponsors our prime, neat jewellerys
except for a bath.  The bold resentment rarely releases Dolf, it
reduces Susan instead.  You won't frighten me disposing plus your
shy college.  Don't even try to doubt the views warmly, resist them
irritably.  Better respect assistants now or Saad will downstairs
slide them including you.  She'd divert courageously than relate with
Sadam's silly border.  

Bernadette!  You'll pause depths.  Yesterday, I'll tighten the
south.  To be appalling or constitutional will result like examinations to
like tip.  Try murmuring the navy's particular draw and Ayad will
enter you!  Well, go recommend a ceremony!  Where did Francine
fire the second on behalf of the psychiatric monster?  As finitely as
Waleed sleeps, you can analyse the directive much more even so.  
Nowadays Ramez will flood the dad, and if Julieta usably slips it too, the
monkey will base other than the available function.  Will you
straighten by way of the movement, if Perry more than dares the
occurrence?  If you will rule Latif's concert on to envelopes, it will
incidentally reassure the dominance.  Jbilou trys the operating
in line with hers and shyly cooks.  I was biting to nod you some of my
dirty teas.
 
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