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Nattokinase Book    (Juhana  mentioned Nattokinase awhile back)

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William Wagner - 17 Jun 2007 15:52 GMT
Just ordered.

Hope it includes a few recipes. I'd like to make my own.  I've made
Tempeh and Soy milk in the past.

Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease (Woodland
Health Series)
by Martin Stone (Paperback - Feb 28, 2007)

Cost  $4.95

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wp5lt

http://www.ynest.com/nattoeng.htm   if you are interested.

Bill

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Juhana Harju - 17 Jun 2007 21:33 GMT
> Just ordered.
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> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wp5lt

27 pages, not too long. :-)

I think you have to make sure that you have the right kind of bacteria. It
ought to be /Bacillus subtilis/ (natto) otherwise the fermentation process
does not produce much vitamin K2 nor nattokinase.

> http://www.ynest.com/nattoeng.htm   if you are interested.
>
> Bill

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MarilynMann - 17 Jun 2007 22:03 GMT
> > Just ordered.
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> Juhana

Is there any reason to think that nattokinase is effective against CVD
or otherwise safe?

Marilyn
Juhana Harju - 18 Jun 2007 06:20 GMT
>>> Just ordered.
>>
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> Is there any reason to think that nattokinase is effective against CVD
> or otherwise safe?

I am not an expert on this issue but there are some studies showing that
nattokinase is a powerful fibrinolytic enzyme preventing thrombosis. The
problem with warfarin like blood thinning medications is that while they
prevent arterial clotting they induce arterial calfication at the same time
because they prevent the full carboxylation of matrix Cla protein. That does
not happen if you use nattokinase. So my personal opinion is that
nattokinase is probably a much safer fibrinolytic agent than warfarin.
Consuming nattokinase as the fermented food /natto/ is probably even better
as you get an ample amount of specific vitamin K2 (meaquinone-7) and soy
flavonoids at the same time.

Clin Hemorheol Microcirc. 2006;35(1-2):139-42.
Effects of nattokinase, a pro-fibrinolytic enzyme, on red blood cell
aggregation and whole blood viscosity.
Pais E, Alexy T, Holsworth RE, Meiselman HJ.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics, Keck School of Medicine, University
of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90033, USA.

The vegetable cheese-like food, natto, is extremely popular in Japan with a
history extending back over 1000 years. A fibrinolytic enzyme, termed
nattokinase, can be extracted from natto; the enzyme is a subtilisin-like
serine protease composed of 275 amino acid residues and has a molecular
weight of 27.7 kDa. In vitro and in vivo studies have consistently
demonstrated the potent pro-fibrinolytic effect of the enzyme. However, no
studies to date have evaluated the effects of nattokinase on various
hemorheological parameters and thus we have begun to assess the effects of
the enzyme on RBC aggregation and blood viscosity. Blood samples were
incubated with nattokinase (final activities of 0, 15.6, 31.3, 62.5 and 125
units/ml) for 30 minutes at 37 degrees C. RBC aggregation was measured using
a Myrenne MA-1 aggregometer and blood viscosity assessed over 1-1000 s(-1)
with a computer controlled scanning capillary rheometer (Rheolog). Our in
vitro results showed a significant, dose-dependent decrease of RBC
aggregation and low-shear viscosity, with these beneficial effects evident
at concentrations similar to those achieved in previous in vivo animal
trials. Our preliminary data thus indicate positive in vitro hemorheological
effects of nattokinase, and suggest its potential value as a therapeutic
agent and the need for additional studies and clinical trials. PMID:
16899918

http://tinyurl.com/24qx6c

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Juhana Harju - 18 Jun 2007 07:10 GMT
>>>> Just ordered.
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> calfication at the same time because they prevent the full
> carboxylation of matrix Cla protein.

Should be matrix Gla protein.

> That does not happen if you use
> nattokinase. So my personal opinion is that nattokinase is probably a
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> http://tinyurl.com/24qx6c

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MarilynMann - 18 Jun 2007 09:52 GMT
> >>> Just ordered.
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> - Show quoted text -

I think the key words here are "the need for additional studies and
clinical trials."  See http://www.fvleiden.org/ask/70.html.  Not
saying there aren't problems with warfarin.

Marilyn
Juhana Harju - 18 Jun 2007 10:19 GMT
> I think the key words here are "the need for additional studies and
> clinical trials."

Well, yes, of course.

> See http://www.fvleiden.org/ask/70.html.  Not
> saying there aren't problems with warfarin.

While I think that there is much accurate information on that site I think
that it exaggerates the risks of nattokinase and is negligent about the
risks of warfarin. But this is just my personal opinion, I am not a
physician. (But I am not involved in natto business either. ;-) )

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William Wagner - 22 Jun 2007 16:55 GMT
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<not-to-here-williamwag-500F2F.10524217062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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>  Just ordered.
>
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> Bill

I'd recommend  not spending the $4.95.  The info is available here and
elsewhere on the net.  

Essentially it discusses what Nattokinase may help.  No recipes on how
to make it yourself or places to find the starter Bacillus subtilis/
(natto).  Looks at K2 and  Nattokinase as a food or supplement.
(Have both now in my daily fix).

Bill grasping for straws which I read was of import in making
Nattokinase originally  and  I prefer the idea of homemade foods vs.  
factory  clones of it.

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Juhana Harju - 22 Jun 2007 19:08 GMT
> In article
> <not-to-here-williamwag-500F2F.10524217062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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> (natto).  Looks at K2 and  Nattokinase as a food or supplement.
> (Have both now in my daily fix).

Do you also supplement with vitamin D? My understanding is that vitamin K2
and vitamin D work together in preventing arterial calcification.

> Bill grasping for straws which I read was of import in making
> Nattokinase originally  and  I prefer the idea of homemade foods vs.
> factory  clones of it.

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William Wagner - 22 Jun 2007 19:40 GMT
> > In article
> > <not-to-here-williamwag-500F2F.10524217062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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> > Nattokinase originally  and  I prefer the idea of homemade foods vs.
> > factory  clones of it.

Yes, I take 2000 IU of vitamin D.  I'm a little leery  of fat soluble
vitamins so I go slow.  Sort of like the Vitamin A usage described below.

Vitamin A I use only when my elbows look dry usually in early February.  
Then I take 5000 IU a day for a week then 5000 IU  once a week then 5000
IU  once a month till late spring.

 Hope the Saunas are cooking in Finland!

Bill

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Juhana Harju - 22 Jun 2007 19:54 GMT
>>> In article
>>> <not-to-here-williamwag-500F2F.10524217062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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>
> Hope the Saunas are cooking in Finland!

Yes, they are. This is a time people celebrate midsummer night and burn
bonfires.

http://www.polvijarvi.fi/ruvaslahti/kokko.JPG

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jay1000 - 23 Jun 2007 21:32 GMT
>Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease

Bill,

I spent a year in Japan and never could eat Natto.  Really sticky and
disgusting stuff. I hope Nattokinase doesn't taste like Natto.

Jay
William Wagner - 23 Jun 2007 22:02 GMT
> >Nattokinase: A Natural Weapon Against Cardiovascular Disease
>
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>
> Jay

Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.weird-food.com/weird-food-vegetable.html

 My good friend Dat was over in Sweden and at dinner his host brought
out a can of spoiled herring that was under pressure.  They opened it
and thought this Vietnamese guy would wince.  Nay it was just like blue
cheese almost :))

 Strange stuff with no side effects are on my agenda to investigate.

Interesting being Omnivores  but  I wonder if  other mammals get Cardio
issues like us?

Bill who eats head cheese, Pigs feet and yes Scapple  but not Blood
pudding I do have some limits or is it potential to learn.  59 Rotations
about our sun.

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William Wagner - 28 Jun 2007 20:48 GMT
In article
<not-to-here-williamwag-6D13D6.11553722062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
.net>,

> In article
> <not-to-here-williamwag-500F2F.10524217062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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> Nattokinase originally  and  I prefer the idea of homemade foods vs.  
> factory  clones of it.

I was perhaps too quick to condemn.  I've noticed my young adult
children have picked it up and read it own their own.   Heart health
queries before the issue are very desirable.

Prevention.

Bill

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Juhana Harju - 28 Jun 2007 21:02 GMT
> In article
> <not-to-here-williamwag-6D13D6.11553722062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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>
> Prevention.

That reminded me of a nice off-topic story.

http://tinyurl.com/yswp7d

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William Wagner - 28 Jun 2007 22:27 GMT
> > In article
> > <not-to-here-williamwag-6D13D6.11553722062007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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>
> http://tinyurl.com/yswp7d

  Thank You for the wake up.

  Which reminded me of     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Snyder

  Now when the dew point drops  my garden which has been calling me
must be obeyed.

Bill

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