Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / May 2007
"doctors working together" -- Boston Globe article
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MarilynMann - 30 May 2007 16:31 GMT The WSJ Health Blog had something on this yesterday. From the Boston Globe:
Heart congestion For patients, the options can be overwhelming. Now, some doctors are working together to reduce the confusion.
Cynthia Cooper's cardiac surgeon recommended surgery to treat her blocked and narrowed heart arteries. But her cardiologist told her to have a stent implanted instead.
"It can be extremely frustrating to have these different options thrown at you," said the 72-year-old Walpole resident. "Why not meet with all the doctors at one time? It would be much easier for the patient."
Concerns like Cooper's are leading physicians at a growing number of hospitals nationwide to sign cooperative agreements designed to cool turf battles that can leave patients confused by differing treatment recommendations and unsure about which specialist to see.
Competition for patients has become especially intense in recent years among doctors who treat diseases of the circulatory system -- including cardiologists, vascular surgeons, cardiac surgeons, neurosurgeons, interventional radiologists, and neurologists -- as treatment options have increased and the lines between specialties have blurred.
For instance, a patient with a blocked carotid artery in the neck can choose treatments such as surgery, medication, or a stent -- which doctors in numerous specialties now implant.
To reduce patients' confusion, increase revenue, and improve care, the 50 Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center doctors who work in the cardiology, cardiac surgery, and vascular surgery departments, along with senior hospital executives, have formed an independent corporation. For the first time, the doctors plan to share some of the revenue they generate. They say the new Cardiovascular Institute will increase cooperation, because they will be collectively responsible for the institute's success.
Massachusetts General Hospital, which last year established a vascular center in Boston and Waltham that includes seven specialties, has told the departments involved to advertise for patients only as a group, not individually. The center, not each department, decides which doctors can perform procedures, based on strict criteria. Patients and primary care doctors who do not already have a relationship with a specialist and request referrals are assigned doctors on a rotating basis.
At Brigham and Women's Hospital, which plans to open a cardiovascular building next spring in Boston, doctors are negotiating cooperative agreements among different specialties. They have agreed that, in most cases, patients will see multiple specialists during one visit, receive a group recommendation for treatment, and get a single bill.
"We're trying to find a way to bring doctors together, so turfs are eliminated, and so they can pick the treatment that is really best for the patient, as opposed to doing what they know how to do," said Dr. Frank Pomposelli, chief of cardiovascular surgery at Beth Israel Deaconess.
That kind of process wasn't available three years ago when a surgeon, Dr. Ralph de la Torre, recommended a bypass for Cooper because he believed it was the safest and most reliable option. But Cooper had already undergone several abdominal surgeries and was reluctant to have another operation. So she asked her cardiologist, Dr. Kenneth Rice , for advice.
"I said to him, 'If I was your mother or your sister, what would you tell me to do?' He looked at me and smiled and said, 'I would tell you, you could do fine with a stent,' " Cooper recalled Rice saying. She opted for an angioplasty, a procedure to clear the blockage from her coronary artery. A stent was implanted to keep it open.
Several weeks later, surgeons and cardiologists discussed her case during a meeting called Clinical Crossroads, a regular feature of the Journal of the American Medical Association. It brings together doctors at Beth Israel Deaconess to discuss patients who have to make difficult decisions about treatment. Unbeknownst to them, Cooper sat in the audience. The group overwhelmingly decided that her situation warranted surgery. When Cooper told them she received a stent instead, many of the doctors groaned, she said. The debate over her care was published in JAMA in November 2004, and a follow-up article is planned.
Cooper still believes she made the right choice: Her last checkup, two months ago, showed the stent is working perfectly.
Beth Israel Deaconess doctors and executives are still working out some details of the Cardiovascular Institute, which will be headed by de la Torre. But doctors have agreed to establish standard treatment protocols for patients to minimize the chances of conflicting advice. For example, the institute will determine which doctors can implant stents.
The three departments essentially will become one and will regularly schedule group discussions before a patient decides on a treatment.
Chief executive Paul Levy said spinning off the specialties into a separate business unit will help ensure that "patients see who's best to see them, regardless of traditional jealousies," though doctors in the three departments say they have been developing better relationships over the past several years.
The most complicated aspect of the arrangement is how to share revenue. Traditionally, insurers make separate payments to a doctor and the hospital where a procedure is performed. Under the new setup , any growth in revenue paid to the hospital for cardiovascular procedures and testing will be shared with the Cardiovascular Institute. The institute also plans to use new formulas to share payments made to doctors. Until now, individual departments and their doctors have kept the fees they generate and decided how to distribute them.
It's unclear whether such revenue sharing will spread to other specialties.
Brigham and Women's and Mass. General have not agreed on widespread revenue sharing among vascular and cardiac specialties. A major stumbling block is pay disparity: Surgeons generally earn more money than other physicians, so sharing revenue equally could reduce their incomes. But the hospitals are testing the idea among smaller groups of doctors. At Brigham and Women's, radiologists and cardiologists who do cardiac imaging are pooling their professional fees, as are Mass. General specialists who do noninvasive procedures, such as ultrasound testing, in the vascular center.
"The best thing is to take the patient out of the middle and even the playing field in some way," said Dr. Andy Whittemore, the Brigham's chief medical officer.
Liz Kowalczyk can be reached at kowalczyk@globe.com.
© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
William Wagner - 30 May 2007 16:48 GMT > The WSJ Health Blog had something on this yesterday. From the Boston > Globe: [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > > © Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company. Money Pink Floyd
Money, get away. Get a good job with good pay and youre okay. Money, its a gas. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think Ill buy me a football team.
Money, get back. Im all right jack keep your hands off of my stack. Money, its a hit. Dont give me that do goody good bullshit. Im in the high-fidelity first class traveling set And I think I need a lear jet.
Money, its a crime. Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie. Money, so they say Is the root of all evil today. But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre Giving none away.
Huhuh! I was in the right! Yes, absolutely in the right! I certainly was in the right! You was definitely in the right. that geezer was cruising for a Bruising! Yeah! Why does anyone do anything? I dont know, I was really drunk at the time! I was just telling him, he couldnt get into number 2. he was asking Why he wasnt coming up on freely, after I was yelling and Screaming and telling him why he wasnt coming up on freely. It came as a heavy blow, but we sorted the matter out
.............. "but we sorted the matter out"
I sure hope so!!!
Bill
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 May 2007 16:53 GMT > > The WSJ Health Blog had something on this yesterday. From the Boston > > Globe: [quoted text clipped - 172 lines] > > I sure hope so!!! There is one Doctor, Who remains trustworthy:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer - 30 May 2007 18:03 GMT > There is one Doctor, Who remains trustworthy: and his name certainly isn't Chung
Father Haskell - 30 May 2007 18:14 GMT On May 30, 11:53 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> > In article <1180539108.847401.296...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 176 lines] > > There is one Doctor, Who http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/3868_10387_4.jpg
Cygnus, the medical consultant - 31 May 2007 04:08 GMT On May 30, 11:53 am, "Andrew B. Chung, BPD/OCD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> There is one Doctor, Who remains trustworthy: > > http://www.scai.org/drlt3.aspx?PAGE_ID=4140 I'd trust him. He was trustworthy enough to blast you out of the profession.
Or did you mean this one?
http://www.prosportsmemorabilia.com/Images/Product/33-30/33-30193-F.jpg
Father Haskell - 31 May 2007 14:10 GMT On May 30, 11:08 pm, "Cygnus, the medical consultant" <estuspir...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 11:53 am, "Andrew B. Chung, BPD/OCD" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.prosportsmemorabilia.com/Images/Product/33-30/33-30193-F.jpg Or this one?
http://www.wwoz.org/jazzfest/2006/images/Dr.-John-IMG_4430.jpg
MarilynMann - 30 May 2007 18:59 GMT On May 30, 11:48 am, William Wagner <not-to-here-william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Money, get away. > Get a good job with good pay and youre okay. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre > Giving none away. The money aspect doesn't bother me too much if they are actually improving patient care. You really can't tell too much about that from the article.
Marilyn
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 May 2007 20:54 GMT > On May 30, 11:48 am, William Wagner <not-to-here-william...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > improving patient care. You really can't tell too much about that > from the article. Would suggest you review the findings of the Courage trial by Weintraub et al as recently published in NEJM.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer - 30 May 2007 21:17 GMT > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. why are you wishing evil upon her?
Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Luke 6:21, 25 - Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. . . Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.
Both these quotes from the Bible, and both infer that God (or Jesus) considers hunger to be BAD.
Those who are hungry (for food or spiritual matters) will have the BAD hunger removed, and those who are 'full' will be made hungry because hunger is BAD.
"Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry" means HUNGER IS BAD
Chung twists these quotes to sell his diet and gain fraudulent donations for his one-man charity. No wonder he dare not set foot inside a church.
The Two Pound Diet is based on a lie, and Chung distorts scripture to sell it. Expect him to either run away screerching and howling, or do a furious little foot-stamping jig on Bob Pastorio's grave. Either way Chung's core lies are exposed and the VICTORY is for the TRUTH of his vile ways.
FR
MarilynMann - 30 May 2007 23:08 GMT If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. - Abraham Maslow
William Wagner - 30 May 2007 23:29 GMT > If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem > as a nail. - Abraham Maslow Abraham Maslow brings back many images and ideas.
Thanks .
Bill
 Signature S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 31 May 2007 00:22 GMT > If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem > as a nail. - Abraham Maslow Indeed, satan, who only has lies, sees the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, as his only problem :-)
Behold in wide-eyed wonder:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/22532ce141e762af?
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you ever hungrier.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Mu - 31 May 2007 00:41 GMT <spam removed>
> "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined > with well-balanced diets" Truth: 2PD-OMER Approach is USELESS without a WELL BALANCED DIET!!!
Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer - 31 May 2007 12:13 GMT > Behold in wide-eyed wonder: Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (# being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates, which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet, then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his 'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they pass away.
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