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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2007The Purifier.
Malachi 3:3 says: "He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver." This verse puzzled some women in a Bible study and they wondered what this statement meant about the character and nature of God. One of the women offered to find out the process of refining silver and get back to the group at their next Bible Study. That week, the woman called a silversmith and made an appointment to watch him at work. She didn't mention anything about the reason for her interest beyond her curiosity about the process of refining Silver. As she watched the silversmith, he held a piece of silver over the fire and let it heat up. He explained that in refining silver, one needed to hold the silver in the middle of the fire where the flames were hottest as to burn away all the impurities. The woman thought about God holding us in such a hot spot; then she thought again about the verse that says: "He sits as a refiner and purifier of silver." She asked the silversmith if it was true that he had to sit there in front of the fire the whole time the silver was being refined. The man answered that yes, he not only had to sit there holding the silver, but he had to keep his eyes on the silver the entire time it was in the fire. If the silver was left a moment too long in the flames, it would be destroyed. The woman was silent for a moment. Then she asked the silversmith, "How do you know when the silver is fully refined?" He smiled at her and answered, "Oh, that's easy -- when I see my image in it." If today you are feeling the heat of the fire, remember that God has his eye on you and will keep watching you until He sees His image in you. Pass this on right now. This very moment, someone needs to know that God is watching over them. And, whatever they're going through, they'll be a better person in the end. "Life is a coin. You can spend it anyway you wish, but you can only spend it once." In Christ's Love Carol T > Malachi 3:3 says: "He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver." > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > In Christ's Love > Carol T Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS moving you to share this. Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear sister Carol whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > Laus Deo ! ! ! > > Marana tha ! ! ! Chung is at it again http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/verbigeration Verbigeration ver·big·er·a·tion n. Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases, especially as a symptom of mental illness. http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?verbigeration Constant repetition of meaningless words or phrases; seen in schizophrenia. convicted neighbor FR wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Constant repetition of meaningless words or phrases; seen in > schizophrenia. Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) that your persistent cognitive deficits are now associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "A weight loss diet is not compatible with a person's healthy balanced diet." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth convicted neighbor FR wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Constant repetition of meaningless words or phrases; seen in > schizophrenia. Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) that your persistent cognitive deficits are now associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In what state did you receive your license to practice medicine? > convicted neighbor FR wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > In what state did you receive your license to practice medicine? Desperation. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > In what state did you receive your license to practice medicine? The tense remains present. Truth is simple. May GOD bless you. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 4, 4:29 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Truth is simple. IOW, you have no license. > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The tense remains present. Actually, "receive" is not (in English) a frequentative verb. -- cary "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" < > O come, all ye brandeads, fearful and unthinking, > O come ye, O come ye, to Joooooones...town. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > O come, let us drink purple koolaid, > O come, let us drink purple koolaid, > Christ the false one... >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, <snip> OMG "AWESOME"? That is SOOOOO 80's, GAG ME WITH A SPOON! > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > OMG "AWESOME"? That is SOOOOO 80's, GAG ME WITH A SPOON! Like, totally. > convicted neighbor FR wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) that your persistent cognitive > deficits are now associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms. Really? I am not the one showing classic symptoms of florid paranoid schizophrenia. For instance, "feeling of control by an ouside force", as well as constantly posting gibberish. Do you also bang your head against hard surfaces constantly and masturbate at inopportune locations and times? Your sacking from Ocala was also textbook behaviour for someone with Aspergers Syndrome. Your lunacy has destroyed your marriage and career, so it's time to seek serious intervention before you actually hurt someone physically. Bottomline: You should be in a secure facility and medicated with a product such as Stemetol. It isn't like you have any patients or a practice to worry about, so go to your nearest real doctor and arrange to have yourself admitted. Obviously you can't admit yourself as you have no admission priveliges at any hospital. Take this as a friendly piece of advice. Next time, your worshipping of the evil Phelps family might see you cut down in a hail of bullets from a disgruntled veteran, or a genuine Christian who despises the way you sh.t all over their faith. FR In article <MPG.2096a4b4384312df989ba1@news.readfreenews.net>, Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer <chung.is.a.kook@privacy.net> wrote: > > convicted neighbor FR wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Really? I really wish people would ignore that loon. There's more posts about that loon then he writes. > In article <MPG.2096a4b4384312df989ba1@news.readfreenews.net>, > Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I really wish people would ignore that loon. There's more posts about > that loon then he writes. Chung is convenient and fun to vent at. > > In article <MPG.2096a4b4384312df989ba1@news.readfreenews.net>, > > Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Chung is convenient and fun to vent at. yes he is your intellectual equal after all meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo >> > In article <MPG.2096a4b4384312df989ba1@news.readfreenews.net>, >> > Flying Rat, board-certified Earthquack trainer [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > he is your intellectual equal after all Get back to the bath house - your "friends" will be growing lonely. > meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space > major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite > impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo I'm undoubtedly wasting my breath here, but I wonder if the people labelling Dr. Chung as a schizophrenic would be posting the same kind of messages if they thought he had cancer or any other serious disease. Schizophrenia is a terrible disease. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Unfortunately, two close relatives of mine suffer from schizophrenia. Both are disabled and unable to work. The medications available for schizophrenia don't always work and have many side effects. Even people who take their medications faithfully can continue to suffer from paranoia and hallucinations. Cognition is almost always effected and antipsychotics aren't usually of much help in that regard. Much research is going on, and everyone hopes that better treatments will be developed. I am ending my post here because tears are coming to my eyes thinking about the effect this disease has had on my loved one's lives. Best regards, Marilyn > I'm undoubtedly wasting my breath here, but I wonder if the people > labelling Dr. Chung as a schizophrenic would be posting the same kind > of messages if they thought he had cancer or any other serious > disease. Thank you for confirming you also consider Chung to be schizophrenic. FR > I'm undoubtedly wasting my breath here, but I wonder if the people > labelling Dr. Chung as a schizophrenic would be posting the same kind > of messages if they thought he had cancer or any other serious > disease. People hassle chung for several reasons. First and foremost, he endlessly posts brainless xian fantasy garbage, putting this mindless poisoness crap in people's faces. This xian garbage has done incalculable damage to society, and people have an opportunity to crticise and vent against it on usenet - and they do. Another reason is that the man is a chronic liar, and has some ugly character flaws that he flaunts. An example is his gloating over the recent death of Bob P., whose only offense against chung was to do some research about his job history, and then post it on usenet. Schizophrenia became an obvious topic since chung is constantly claiming to hear "holy spirits" talking to him. What else needs to be said? > Schizophrenia is a terrible disease. I wouldn't wish it on my worst > enemy. Unfortunately, two close relatives of mine suffer from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Marilyn Perhaps you should just not read his posts. Marilyn > Perhaps you should just not read his posts. Wrong. I like destroying his xian fantasy sayings and mocking him. Usenet is for mostly for entertainment. Perhaps you should just not read my posts. > Marilyn > Perhaps you should just not read his posts. > > Marilyn Marilyn, these are adults and children acting like children. The fact that Andrew has a running dialog with them, which he is free to do, and is his choice, fuels their childishness. If I were in his shoes, I would prolly make the same choices he does by responding. I am not telling you what to do, just pointing out that we are not under the same direction as Chung however whatever you choose, it is your freedom use it as you wish.  Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html >> Perhaps you should just not read his posts. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that Andrew has a running dialog with them, which he is free to do, and >is his choice, fuels their childishness. So mocking the nonsense that Chunk (and you) post is childishness. Got it. SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief "Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and ice cold beer." -- Brad Guth, bigoted racist > >> Perhaps you should just not read his posts. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So mocking the nonsense that Chunk (and you) post is childishness. Got > it. when i was a child i did the things of a child now that i am an adult i put away the things of childhood and speak of many things of boots and ships and sealing wax of cabbage patch kids and why the sea is boiling hot and whether icbms have wings meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Perhaps you should just not read his posts. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and why the sea is boiling hot >and whether icbms have wings I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief "Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and ice cold beer." -- Brad Guth, bigoted racist > mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges > <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children > you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. have you looked at the current presidential candidates the kingdom is at hand meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote: >> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges >> <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >the kingdom is at hand Oh my. And Chris Matthews is the gatekeeper. SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief "Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and ice cold beer." -- Brad Guth, bigoted racist > Perhaps you should just not read his posts. > > Marilyn It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift of free will. Because satan's sockpuppets (demons) no longer have souls, they no longer have free will. May GOD bless you. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth >> Perhaps you should just not read his posts. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Because satan's sockpuppets (demons) no longer have souls, they no > longer have free will. Says chunkers, who compulsively posts repetitious xian fantasy chants that alienate even his fellow fantasists... > May GOD bless you. May God shut you up (and he would, if he existed). "Kurt Gavin" <buggeroff@s.com> said: >>> Perhaps you should just not read his posts. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >May God shut you up (and he would, if he existed). God said, "Use your killfile! That's why I created it!" ;-) >Perhaps you should just not read his posts. > >Marilyn Oh? And you do? How f.cked up ARE you? Any three year old would spot Dung as a psycho in a second flat. If you're someone that reads his crap and nods like a rubber dog in the back window, you're more f.cked up than he is. Warlord Steve BAAWA > People hassle chung for several reasons. I'm bored and he's easy. I have no opinion on whether he has schizophrenia or not. My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her fault. Throwing around such terms in a pejorative way is demeaning to people who never asked for what they got in life. There but for the grace of God go I. Marilyn MarilynMann <mannm@comcast.net> wrote in part: >I have no opinion on whether he has schizophrenia or not. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Marilyn I agree completely. I will also add, as I have every year or so before, that everyone has the right to post here. Usenet provides no way to block people from posting, and that's a good thing. It's up to the user to decide what to read and what not to read. I happen to think that the main disruption of this newsgroup has come from those trying to oppose, ridicule, or in some other way do combat with Dr. Chung and others. They are the ones who are most at fault here. They are uncomfortable with others who don't behave as they do or who have ideas that run counter to their own. Shame on them. I have not witnessed that sort of malevolence from Dr. Chung. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA >>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her >>fault. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >I have not witnessed that sort of malevolence from Dr. Chung. I agree in large part with the views above. However even with such an affliction one is still responsible for his own behavior. In times past andrew said he did not cross post, only respond to others who did. This was only half a truth. Now he discards any idea of pretense and does so in almost all cases, even when replying to a message in a single newsgroup he adds others and many of those have nothing to do with the subject. This also displays a very vengeful attitude, if someone doesn't agree with hin even on valid grounds he will continue adding that group to nonrelevant posts for spite. He makes a point to post where he will get attention to be seen as a victum and thus to self justify claims about hinself as being in special contact with the divine. He is soley and speciffically responsible for these behaviors regardless of his affliction. >>>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her >>>fault. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>I have not witnessed that sort of malevolence from Dr. Chung. > I agree in large part with the views above. However even with such an > affliction one is still responsible for his own behavior. When I read statements like this above, I understand that you just got lost in thought, not your fault, it was unfamiliar territory. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html > I agree in large part with the views above. However even with such an > affliction one is still responsible for his own behavior. "When I read statements like this above, I understand that you just got lost in thought, not your fault, it was unfamiliar territory." Then help us out, is andrew responsible for his own actions regardless of his affliction? When he posts in spite off topic items to a newsgroup just because otherwise valid views were expressed in it not to his liking does his affliction excuse it? > "When I read statements like this above, I understand that you just got > lost in thought, not your fault, it was unfamiliar territory." > > Then help us out, is andrew responsible for his own actions regardless > of his affliction? If he is schizophrenic which is the context of this thread, no. >When he posts in spite off topic items to a > newsgroup just because otherwise valid views were expressed in it not to > his liking does his affliction excuse it? What affliction? Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html > Then help us out, is andrew responsible for his own actions regardless > of his affliction? "If he is schizophrenic which is the context of this thread, no." Have you any experience for comparison with the paranoid schizophrenic? It is a matter of degree and level of functioning. Many are quite able to understand what they are doing and why and as such can not use the affliction as an excuse for decisions. There is a great misunderstanding in the general public on this point. If an individual in the same manner as any decides in a deliberate path to take revenge because he is shown in a poor light, it is not the affliction at its root but ordinary human failing. If that decision of revenge is amenable to self control and same is demonstrated situationally he is fully responsible by any measure. However when we are dealing with a more or less fixed set of behaviors which vary in intensity as the cycle of decompensation does, then it is a product of the affliction and not amenable to a large degree to individual modification and thus of responsibility. Observed over time the distinction between the ordinary human failing and the fixed behaviors are rather obvious. >When he posts in spite off topic items to a > newsgroup just because otherwise valid views were expressed in it not to > his liking does his affliction excuse it? "What affliction?" I understand he is your friend and want to protect him especially from the rabid mockers. I noted that you were away from the newsgroups for some time and returned during the 40 day fast and seemd quite understandably taken aback at the level of decompensation that level of physical stress caused. You tried gently to redirect his fixed course but to no avail and have since stayed around to do as much support and deflection as possible. I respect you for that and you are to be commended. If you are sencere I can post a descriptive list of symptoms for your consideration and you can gauge for yourself. >> Then help us out, is andrew responsible for his own actions regardless >> of his affliction? > > "If he is schizophrenic which is the context of this thread, no." > > Have you any experience for comparison with the paranoid schizophrenic? Now its PS, before it was the general classification of schizophrenia. Let me blow this insanity of yours up right now. I know Chung. I know way too many mentally diseased friends and people. This isn't going to work for you, this Chung - mentally diseased thing and calling me to express my experience with mental disease. OTOH, what can be said about you and you moronic associates, you who morph into dozens of personalities and spends a gazillion of hours on SMC et al chasing Chung post by post accomplishing what? Saving the world? Here's the truth. You're a punk who's wasting his life being a punk. You have intelligence and you decide to waste that gift acting like you are form some ghetto?. Chung is a cardiologist in any given day he does more good on Usenet than any harm punks like you can undo in a year. That's the facts Punktruth@is-better and you damn well know it. So all you have left is your punkass obsessions and your own life wasting Usenet blatherings. OT: (Hi Cary, my, why did you stop responding to me when I called you out as the obsessive, lying life-degrading person that you are?) I hope to God you get a clue, truth@is-better.com. To realistically look at those people who would have greatly benefited for the advice of a cardiologist, free, but came to SMC and were put off by your and yours atrocious, unbalanced behaviors. You have blood dripping from your Usenet hands, people you personally rebuffed due to your obsessive inanity to "rebuff" Dr. Andrew Chung. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote in his usual lying fashion: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > You have blood dripping from your Usenet hands, people you personally > rebuffed due to your obsessive inanity to "rebuff" Dr. Andrew Chung. It is written that lying is his native language and he has been murderer from the very outset. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever, dear brother Mu whom I love unconditionally: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com> wrote in news:18deyafcgnsw3 $.1l78fuax9pel7.dlg@40tude.net to sci.med.cardiology: > Chung is a cardiologist Prove it. He can't. SignatureDavid Silverman F.L.A.H.N. "If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama Bin Laden > Mu <nocowinthismu@gmail.com> wrote in news:18deyafcgnsw3 > $.1l78fuax9pel7.dlg@40tude.net to sci.med.cardiology: > >> Chung is a cardiologist > > Prove it. He can't. <drums fingers on desk....> SignatureDavid Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208 "Jesus loves you, so I don't have to" - Osama Bin Loiodice The evidence of Andrew's repeated cynical obsessive use of sock puppets is visible to anyone who looks at the headers of his posts. There are many threads over the _years_ where Andrew has been invited to consider posting on-topic and to refrain from spamming. His typical responses have been to reply with cut and pastes from a meagre repetoire of biblical or religiously stylised mishmashes of his own construction. When these fail in the face of reasoned argument he cuts and runs or constructs rather poor logical fallacies. When really pressed he goes deaf and blind. Would that he would also go dumb and take up pinball. With respect to the well being of sci.med.cardiology and other useful Usenet groups, he just doesn't give a damn. Mu is either one of Andrew's sockpuppets or is amazingly ignorant. In either case he doesn't warrant serious consideration. Andy is Evil >>> Then help us out, is andrew responsible for his own actions regardless >>> of his affliction? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Let me blow this insanity of yours up right now. I know Chung. I know > way too many mentally diseased friends and people. No doubt Moo Poo punk knows all sorts of mental defectives, and is probably one himself, and may even be chung himself, posting under an alias. (Yet another symptom, in itself?) Anyone familiar with Chung's posts know he alludes to getting information from supernatural beings. Often, he refers to the "Holy Spirit" . Auditory hallucinations are a common symptom of schizophrenia. from http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/schizophrenia/SCH_symptoms.html#hallu "The most common type of hallucination is hearing imaginary voices that give commands, make comments, or warn of impending danger. The person experiences these voices talking to them as "he" or "she" (third-person auditory hallucinations)." The constant references to "unmedicated schizophrenic," besides being rude, just show that the people posting know little about schizophrenia. For many people with schizophrenia, the available medications are ineffective or only partially effective against their psychotic symptoms. Therefore, even if you know someone is having such symptoms, that does not imply that person is not on medication. Why don't you people get a life? Marilyn > The constant references to "unmedicated schizophrenic," besides being > rude, No, they're basically appropriate rejoinders to someone who claims that he receives communications from supernatural beings, as chung does. >just show that the people posting know little about > schizophrenia. I don;t doubt you have more personal experience. For many people with schizophrenia, the available > medications are ineffective or only partially effective against their > psychotic symptoms. What does that have to do with the OP's subject heading? That chung IS taking meds but they don't work? Therefore, even if you know someone is having > such symptoms, that does not imply that person is not on medication. > > Why don't you people get a life? There's nothing wrong with challenging nuts claiming they have the authority of supernatural beings behind them. Take your meds. > Marilyn > > The constant references to "unmedicated schizophrenic," besides being > > rude, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I don;t doubt you have more personal experience. As a matter of fact, I do. Two members of my family suffer from it. > For many people with schizophrenia, the available > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What does that have to do with the OP's subject heading? That chung IS > taking meds but they don't work? I have no info on his meds. > Therefore, even if you know someone is having > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > There's nothing wrong with challenging nuts claiming they have the authority > of supernatural beings behind them. Perhaps, but if you really think someone is mentally ill, why would you criticize them for their actions? Do you think they can control themselves if they only try hard enough? Do you get your kicks from making fun of mentally ill people? I think that's cruel and pathetic. Marilyn >> > The constant references to "unmedicated schizophrenic," besides being >> > rude, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As a matter of fact, I do. Two members of my family suffer from it. >> For many people with schizophrenia, the available >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I have no info on his meds. So what you wrote had no bearing on chung or his problems. >> Therefore, even if you know someone is having >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Perhaps, but if you really think someone is mentally ill, why would > you criticize them for their actions? Of course you would. Do you think mental illness is a ticket that allows people to do whatever they want? Most of the religions of the world were founded and perpetuated by people claiming the authority of a relationship with supernatural beings. Some were nuts, some were liars. all were harmful. >Do you think they can control > themselves if they only try hard enough? That's not the point. Should psychos be free to kill and rape? Should pedophile priests be free to molest children? Do you get your kicks from > making fun of mentally ill people? I think that's cruel and pathetic. I think you're a clueless hysteric.. > Marilyn > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > As a matter of fact, I do. Two members of my family suffer from it. Sad to read about this. Then you know firsthand that folks with paranoid schizophrenia would shun usenet and other public forums, would be unable to pray, and would decompensate when threatened by others. Thus, you know personally that GOD has kept me from suffering from such a debilitating mental illness that has stricken two members of your family. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > shun usenet and other public forums, would be unable to pray, and > would decompensate when threatened by others. Is that true? Give us some credible psychiatric sources that back up what you say above. Most people are aware that all sorts of nuts show up on Usenet and use it as a forum for acting out their mental problems. As for you, Andrew: You claim to receive communications from a supernatural "holy spirit". You make predictions of impending disasters, that don't occur. You claim authority based on some sort of relationship and stature with supernatural beings. You denounce people, based on this supposed stature and knowledge given you by the "holy spirit", and other supernatural beings. You make claims about supernatural demons, devils and "satan". You make truly bizarre, weird references about people being covered with "satan's ejaculate". > Thus, you know personally that GOD has kept me from suffering from > such a debilitating mental illness I think this is an example of a person with mental problems being in denial, and finding it much more convenient to ascribe their symptoms to an elevated relationship with supernatural beings. As far as I know, a common symptom of schizophrenia is for the victim to ideate beings who are talking to him, giving him information and commands. >that has stricken two members of > your family. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Cardiologist > >>>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her > >>>fault. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > When I read statements like this above, I understand that you just got > lost in thought, not your fault, it was unfamiliar territory. Without the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, it will be forever lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor invincible... ...we are simply forgiven: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely more, dear brother Mu whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth >> >>>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her >> >>>fault. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> >> >>I have not witnessed that sort of malevolence from Dr. Chung. I agree in large part with the views above. However even with such an affliction one is still responsible for his own behavior. In times past andrew said he did not cross post, only respond to others who did. This was only half a truth. Now he discards any idea of pretense and does so in almost all cases, even when replying to a message in a single newsgroup he adds others and many of those have nothing to do with the subject. This also displays a very vengeful attitude, if someone doesn't agree with hin even on valid grounds he will continue adding that group to nonrelevant posts for spite. He makes a point to post where he will get attention to be seen as a victum and thus to self justify claims about hinself as being in special contact with the divine. He is soley and speciffically responsible for these behaviors regardless of his affliction. God bless. >> >>>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her >> >>>fault. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Without the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, it will be forever lost: Aside from pretending the the bible isn't full of contradictions and logical and ethical problems, what can you do to prove the jesus is true? Can you have him appear so he can prove his existence and powers? If not, why not? Things that are real can be proven. On May 5, 3:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote: I really am trying to resist the temptation to stalk the guy and reply with porn ads. Free speech works for everyone. Please stop cross posting this off topic. > > >>>My point is that if someone has schizophrenia it is not his or her > > >>>fault. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > -- > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com Ah, f.ck off, moron. Stop bothering us with your nonsense and get a life. You wanna do something for your sect? Go pray for us instead of driving us crazy with your moronic rant. You're f.cking pathetic, Chung. Don't you get it? No one, even those who call themselves "christians" support you or even bother reading your verbal diarrhea. "Long subject line is evidence of psychosis" -- Jack Daniels Olrik <snip Chung's self-serving, blasphemous droppings> > "Long subject line is evidence of psychosis" -- Jack Daniels > > Olrik "Quoting Jack Daniels is a sign of alcoholism." -- Holy Spirit Amen. The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special ... ... we simply have turned to GOD and HE has forgiven us: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by turning to HIM and publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth >> "Long subject line is evidence of psychosis" -- Jack Daniels >> >> Olrik > > "Quoting Jack Daniels is a sign of alcoholism." -- Holy Spirit Interesting. With that little quip, chung fully acknowledges that the "holy spirit" voices are something he is *conciously* generating, himself. That lowers the emphasis on a shizophrenic diagnosis, and adds weight to the fraud diagnosis. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1178440231.607267.227000@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: >"Quoting Jack Daniels is a sign of alcoholism." -- Holy Spirit Even his books on running? I don't think he even mentions alcohol in them, and I'm sure he isn't an alcoholic and doesn't promote overuse of alcohol. You could look it up, you know. BTW, he's also a PhD. SignatureDon Kirkman > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > >"Quoting Jack Daniels is a sign of alcoholism." -- Holy Spirit Amen. > Even his books on running? In this context, it should be clear to the most casual observer that the Holy Spirit is right. Indeed, HE is right in every context because HE is GOD, the Author of all reality (including the alternate ones). Most assuredly, without doubt, I know GOD to be kind, just, and right. The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special... ...we are simply forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Indeed, HE is right in every context because HE is GOD, the Author of > all reality (including the alternate ones). It's becoming obvious that chunkers is trending toward thinking he is, or is closely associated with, this "holy spirit". Chunkers: you look haggard (Tedi Haggard? ;-)) ) and you're posting is getting weirder and more acerbic. What if you found out that jesus wants to kill you to stop embarrassing him? Or do you already think that, and that's the reason you're up all night posting? > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know GOD to be kind, just, and right. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > with well-balanced diets." > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth I have blocked Chung about 6 to 10 times now, but he keeps using new email addresses. Knowingly imposing one's self on those who do not want to hear is harassment. >I have blocked Chung about 6 to 10 times now, but he keeps using new email >addresses. > > Knowingly imposing one's self on those who do not want to hear is > harassment. Knowing how he posts, and having seen a recent photo of him, I think he's in a lot of psychological distress, and is acting out similarly to a troubled child. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8051301848367fac? > > I have blocked Chung about 6 to 10 times now, but he keeps using new email > addresses. The email address is not new: http://tinyurl.com/yt3an6 Bottomline: You are untruthful. Your being untruthful simply shows that you are lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world: http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought Your consolation prize is eternal life if you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your being untruthful simply shows that you are lost: Anybody can check the "from" property of your posts to see that you use a changing variety of "froms" to evade message blockers. Not only are you a liar, you're a stupid one - wholly typical of a christian fundie. > I have blocked Chung about 6 to 10 times now, but he keeps using new email > addresses. You can't use a simple killfilter in OE but you want us to believe that you can accurately count calories? > Knowingly imposing one's self on those who do not want to hear is > harassment. Pot,kettle,black Cubit. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html >I have blocked Chung about 6 to 10 times now, but he keeps using new email >addresses. > >Knowingly imposing one's self on those who do not want to hear is >harassment. So why bother to tell the rest of us that have successfully blocked him? -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of May 06, 2007 is 3,368. United Kingdom = 147 Other = 125. How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego? As of May 06, 2007 it has been 1484 days, over FOUR YEARS, since Bush while standing in front of the banner which was sent to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it! Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well? Pay attention to the acceleration of American deaths since it began. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis > MarilynMann <m...@comcast.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I have not witnessed that sort of malevolence from Dr. Chung. Who are you trying to kid? > I'm undoubtedly wasting my breath here, but I wonder if the people > labelling Dr. Chung as a schizophrenic would be posting the same kind [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enemy. Unfortunately, two close relatives of mine suffer from > schizophrenia. Both are disabled and unable to work. Got a very close friend who is and one who is manic-depressive, this is no fun at all. > The medications available for schizophrenia don't always work and have > many side effects. Even people who take their medications faithfully [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Marilyn Condolences to you. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html >convicted neighbor FR wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) that your persistent cognitive >deficits are now associated with obsessive-compulsive symptoms. Why would anyone take medical advice from a fraud like you? >Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Deliciously in Jesus' tenderness and rich flavor! >Andrew <>< Jade > This verse puzzled some women in a Bible study and they wondered what > this statement meant about the character and nature of God. > > One of the women offered to find out the process of refining silver > and get back to the group at their next Bible Study. I'm sorry, but what is the issue here? What is it about God's character and nature is up for discussion? This is like discussing whether lava flow is hot, hotter or hottest. This is a game, a game of examining the Bible to see who comes up with the best situational explanation. It is a distraction to being Christian which I see Christianity as doing not philosophizing about. > > This verse puzzled some women in a Bible study and they wondered what > > this statement meant about the character and nature of God. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the best situational explanation. It is a distraction to being Christian > which I see Christianity as doing not philosophizing about. What is it about God's character that is up for discussion? Everything, including the existence or nonexistence of God, if not for discussion, certainly for individual consideration, thought and rethought, but probably not at a Bible Study. There, the existence of a God is pretty much accepted, I imagine, but the nature of God would certainly not be in agreement, especially the more things you attribute to God, unless of course you attribute EVERYTHING to God, in which case, he would be indistinguishable from NO GOD AT ALL. I guess this belongs in alt. support diet because it is "food for thought". dkw > > > This verse puzzled some women in a Bible study and they wondered what > > > this statement meant about the character and nature of God. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > which case, he would be indistinguishable from NO GOD AT ALL. I guess > this belongs in alt. support diet because it is "food for thought". dkw Sin is not from GOD. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "A weight loss diet is not compatible with a person's healthy balanced diet." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On Apr 23, 2:26 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > dkw12...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Sin is not from GOD. Neither is anything else. Your creation myth perishes at the hands of its own logic. The inherent contradictions of your above statement prove that, as does the need for those who wish to continue to believe in your myth to commit intellectual suicide. >>> This verse puzzled some women in a Bible study and they wondered what >>> this statement meant about the character and nature of God. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What is it about God's character that is up for discussion? I see you got the question right. > Everything, including the existence or nonexistence of God, if not for > discussion, certainly for individual consideration, thought and > rethought, but probably not at a Bible Study. Which is the context I was commenting within. > There, the existence of > a God is pretty much accepted, I imagine, but the nature of God would > certainly not be in agreement, especially the more things you > attribute to God, unless of course you attribute EVERYTHING to God, in > which case, he would be indistinguishable from NO GOD AT ALL. I guess > this belongs in alt. support diet because it is "food for thought". dkw I have no idea what you mean by All God = No God, but human discussion about God, which I use the term as in Creator Of Everything, is much like a molecule in gasoline discussing a Ferrari. Signaturehttp://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the nature of God would > certainly not be in agreement, especially the more things you > attribute to God,<<<<<<<<<<<<< If you see your Lord reflected in the face of fellow human beings I can only hope/pray that what you see is One with the Holy Spirit, for your sake. All too often people soak themselves in the evil things of life and attributes of others, and they forget to look for Christ reflected back at them. For example, if your nature were to be reflected back at you when you next look into the mirror, rather than your reflection, what would look back? Would you be happy to move aside and let it willingly be reflected into the world, or would you take the time to examine the changes you could be making with Christ's help? Bible study, examination, going to church, meeting up with other Christians and so forth are all ways in which we stand in front of the mirror recognising the nature of our true selves and adjusting it constantly into the likeness of Christ. It is an on going process until the day we die. Jesus wipes away our sins when we ask Him into our lives. He gives us the new eyes to see through that mirror in new light. This is the power of the cross. WWJD? In Christ's love Carol T unless of course you attribute EVERYTHING to God, in > which case, he would be indistinguishable from NO GOD AT ALL. I guess > this belongs in alt. support diet because it is "food for thought". dkw- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the nature of God would > > certainly not be in agreement, especially the more things you [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Easily concur with what you have written and add: WWJHYSDW? (What Would Jesus Have You Say, Do, or Write?) It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write, because HE is always right :-) May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely more, dear sister Carol whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On Apr 24, 1:51 am, "cteasd5...@gmail.com" <cteasd5...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the nature of God would > > certainly not be in agreement, especially the more things you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your sake. All too often people soak themselves in the evil things of > life and attributes of others, and they forget to look for Christ What Christ? This Christ: http://a683.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_99e9b56709a01c818e4693fa4e39a 092.jpg http://preview.tinyurl.com/39c4c4 |
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