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Most Angioplasties Unneeded, Study Finds

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Roman Bystrianyk - 26 Mar 2007 22:33 GMT
MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
Link: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar26/0,4670,StentsvsDrugs,00.html

More than half a million people a year with chest pain are getting an
unnecessary or premature procedure to unclog their arteries because
drugs are just as effective, suggests a landmark study that challenges
one of the most common practices in heart care.

The stunning results found that angioplasty did not save lives or
prevent heart attacks in non-emergency heart patients.

An even bigger surprise: Angioplasty gave only slight and temporary
relief from chest pain, the main reason it is done.

"By five years, there was really no significant difference" in
symptoms, said Dr. William Boden of Buffalo General Hospital in New
York. "Few would have expected such results."

He led the study and gave results Monday at a meeting of the American
College of Cardiology. They also were published online by the New
England Journal of Medicine and will be in the April 12 issue.

Angioplasty remains the top treatment for people having a heart attack
or hospitalized with worsening symptoms. But most angioplasties are
done on a non-emergency basis, to relieve chest pain caused by clogged
arteries crimping the heart's blood supply.

Those patients now should try drugs first, experts say. If that does
not help, they can consider angioplasty or bypass surgery, which
unlike angioplasty, does save lives, prevent heart attacks and give
lasting chest pain relief.

In the study, only one-third of the people treated with drugs
ultimately needed angioplasty or a bypass.

"You are not putting yourself at risk of death or heart attack if you
defer," and considering the safety worries about heart stents used to
keep arteries open after angioplasty, it may be wise to wait, said Dr.
Steven Nissen, a Cleveland Clinic heart specialist and president of
the College of Cardiology.

Why did angioplasty not help more?

It fixes only one blockage at a time whereas drugs affect all the
arteries, experts said. Also, the clogs treated with angioplasty are
not the really dangerous kind.

"Even though it goes against intuition, the blockages that are severe
that cause chest pain are less likely to be the source of a heart
attack than segments in the artery that are not severely blocked,"
said Dr. David Maron, a Vanderbilt University cardiologist who helped
lead the new study.

About 1.2 million angioplasties are done in the United States each
year. Through a blood vessel in the groin, doctors snake a tube to a
blocked heart artery. A tiny balloon is inflated to flatten the clog
and a mesh scaffold stent is usually placed.

The procedure already has lost some popularity because of emerging
evidence that popular drug-coated stents can raise the risk of blood
clots months later. The new study shifts the argument from which type
of stent to use to whether to do the procedure at all.

It involved 2,287 patients throughout the U.S. and Canada who had
substantial blockages, typically in two arteries, but were medically
stable. They had an average of 10 chest pain episodes a week _
moderately severe.

About 40 percent had a prior heart attack more than three months
previously.

"We deliberately chose to enroll a sicker, more symptomatic group" to
give angioplasty a good chance to prove itself, Boden said.

All were treated with medicines that improve chest pain and heart and
artery health such as aspirin, cholesterol-lowering statins, nitrates,
ACE inhibitors, beta-blockers and calcium channel blockers. All also
were counseled on healthy lifestyles _ diet, exercise and smoking
cessation.

Half of the participants also were assigned to get angioplasty.

After an average of 4 1/2 years, the groups had similar rates of death
and heart attack: 211 in the angioplasty group and 202 in the
medication group _ about 19 percent of each.

Heart-related hospitalization rates were similar, too.

Neither treatment proved better for any subgroups like smokers,
diabetics, or older or sicker people.

At the start of the study, 80 percent had chest pain. Three years into
it, 72 percent of the angioplasty group was free of this symptom as
was 67 percent of the drug group.

That means you would have to give angioplasties to 20 people for every
one whose chest pain was better after three years _ an unacceptably
high ratio, Nissen said.

After five years, 74 percent of the angioplasty group and 72 percent
of the medication group were free of chest pain - "no significant
difference," Boden said.

The study was funded by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, the
Medical Research Council of Canada and a host of drug companies. Stent
makers refused to help pay for the research, said scientists who led
the study.

The study renewed a heated animosity between doctors who perform
angioplasty and other heart specialists.

In fact, one who does the procedures and who spoke at a meeting in New
Orleans sponsored by stent maker Boston Scientific Corp. was
responsible for the early release of the study's results, which were
not due out until Tuesday.

The study "was rigged to fail, and it did," the Wall Street Journal
quoted Dr. Martin B. Leon of Columbia University telling several
hundred of his colleagues Sunday night.

"A lot of people have been taking shots at us, and we need to go on
the offense for awhile," the Journal reported Leon said.

He claimed to have inside knowledge of the results because he reviewed
the study for the New England Journal. The journal would not comment,
saying the identity of its reviewers is confidential.

The cardiology college issued a statement saying it was "extremely
disappointed" results were released prematurely, "betraying the
confidentiality of the scholarly process and the professional
integrity of the scientific community."

The college "will be considering strong sanctions against the
individual or individuals involved," the statement said.

Shares of Boston Scientific were down $1.15, or nearly 8 percent, to
$14.07 in afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange. It was a
nearly five-year low for the stock.

Dr. Spencer King of Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta, a leading
cardiologist who does many angioplasties, said he was disappointed in
the study results.

"How many patients have interventions in which the only expectation is
to reduce the use of nitroglycerin or to walk a bit faster? Most
patients anticipate a better prognosis and might opt for an extended
course of medical therapy if they believe they are not putting their
life at excess risk," he wrote in a recent editorial in an American
Heart Association journal.

In an interview at the cardiology meeting, King said he recently had
surgery for back pain and did not expect permanent relief but added,
"If it only held up for five years, I wouldn't be happy about it."

The new study "should lead to changes in the treatment of patients
with stable coronary artery disease, with expected substantial health
care savings," Dr. Judith Hochman of New York University wrote in an
editorial in the journal.

Angioplasty costs $30,000 to $40,000. The drugs used in the study are
almost all available in generic form.

Maron, the Vanderbilt doctor who helped lead the study, said people
should give the drugs a chance.

"Often I think that patients are under the impression that unless they
have that procedure done, they're not getting the best of care and are
at increased risk of having a heart attack and die," he said.

The study shows that is not true, he said.
William Wagner - 26 Mar 2007 22:59 GMT
> MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 167 lines]
>
> The study shows that is not true, he said.

Thanks for the post. I was looking for it.  I wonder if this applies to
CABG folks like me.  I must wait for another VA study I'd guess as at
$100,000 a shot  (Surgery) there  might be some resistance.

Obscenity them.

Bill

This is VERY much of import

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William Wagner - 26 Mar 2007 23:11 GMT
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<not-to-here-williamwag-C68CBD.17591126032007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
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> > MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> > Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
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>
> This is VERY much of import

Forgot        "First do no harm."

My a.s

A pissed Bill

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Joe Doe - 27 Mar 2007 01:02 GMT
In article
<not-to-here-williamwag-C68CBD.17591126032007@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews
.net>,

>  Thanks for the post. I was looking for it.  I wonder if this applies to
> CABG folks like me.  I must wait for another VA study I'd guess as at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bill

This applies to everybody with CAD.  I don't know why such a big deal is
being made about this because everybody has always known this - i.e.
stenting/CABG does not improve the outcome most people care about -
mortality (in non acute cases).  

The reason as stated in the article cited is that the underlying disease
is diffuse across all vessels and tackling a particular diseased segment
does not change the odds that plaque will rupture somewhere else.  Since
we do not have a good assay for "vulnerable plaque" all interventional
strategies are band aids.  

The purported reason offered for intervention is that it offers symptom
relief for angina etc.  The results of this study call this into
question - study claims no difference between medical therapy and
intervention.

Roland
Pramesh Rutaji - 27 Mar 2007 03:56 GMT
>> MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
>> Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 171 lines]
> CABG folks like me.  I must wait for another VA study I'd guess as at
> $100,000 a shot  (Surgery) there  might be some resistance.

You can get the CABG done at a top hospital in India for about $15,000
including travel with mortality rates lower than comparable US
hospitals.  I was quoted a cool $250,000 to have this done in the USA
for a quad bypass.

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Ivan - 27 Mar 2007 00:03 GMT
|| MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
|| Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 173 lines]
||
|| The study shows that is not true, he said.

I have recently had an angioplasty and coated stent fitted, and am now on
five tablets a day, apparently for the rest of my life.

I was always fit and healthy, plenty of exercise, low-cholesterol, the
correct weight for my height, no family history, had the right kind of diet,
yet still succumbed to angina symptoms, culminating in a heart attack.

However after reading the above it appears to confirm my suspicion that the
NHS simply want to turn patients around (in my case under a week) as quickly
as possible, and that's no doubt why fitting a stent is now the number one
option.
Joe Doe - 27 Mar 2007 00:55 GMT
e.

> I was always fit and healthy, plenty of exercise, low-cholesterol, the
> correct weight for my height, no family history, had the right kind of diet,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> as possible, and that's no doubt why fitting a stent is now the number one
> option.

Actually if you have an acute event like a heart attack,
revascularisation by angioplasty is one of the best therapies for
minimising muscle damage if done promptly (within a few hours).  

The study referred to above refers to patients with angina.

Roland
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Mar 2007 01:38 GMT
> || MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> || Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 179 lines]
> I was always fit and healthy, plenty of exercise, low-cholesterol, the
> correct weight for my height

What matters more than "correct weight for height" is the absence of
visceral adipose tissue (VAT).

> , no family history, had the right kind of diet,
> yet still succumbed to angina symptoms, culminating in a heart attack.

Suspect you have significant amounts of VAT.

> However after reading the above it appears to confirm my suspicion that the
> NHS simply want to turn patients around (in my case under a week) as quickly
> as possible, and that's no doubt why fitting a stent is now the number one
> option.

In the setting of a heart attack, restoring blood flow by the most
rapid means possible is the wisest action.

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Mar 2007 14:23 GMT
Here's a link to the full-text article:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa070829v1

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1

> MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 167 lines]
>
> The study shows that is not true, he said.
JOHN - 31 Mar 2007 09:42 GMT
> MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> An even bigger surprise: Angioplasty gave only slight and temporary
> relief from chest pain, the main reason it is done.

Know for years, like bypass.  100% unecessary, but bypass pulled in $12
billion decades ago

like most of allopathy it is done for the money

drugs are crap, use nutrients or herbs like cayenne
JOHN - 31 Mar 2007 09:45 GMT
> MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,

http://www.whale.to/w/heart_disease.html

"Now I've got to the point where I think we can get almost complete control
of cardiovascular disease, heart attacks and strokes. [The proper therapy]
can prevent cardiovascular disease and even cure it.". --Linus Pauling.
Heart disease is caused by vitamin deficiencies!

"Cayenne is most effective for heart and blood circulation problems, and for
angina pectoris, palpitations, and cardiac arrhythmias. It's a miracle for
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"One of my readers was scheduled for surgery to have his veins scraped out.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 31 Mar 2007 11:42 GMT
> > MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> > Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> can prevent cardiovascular disease and even cure it.". --Linus Pauling.
> Heart disease is caused by vitamin deficiencies!

Actually, the most prevalent kind of heart disease in the U.S. is
caused by overnutrition:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.html?thread=16090#t16090

Additional suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/1328.html

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
bigvince - 01 Apr 2007 05:27 GMT
On Mar 31, 6:42 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> > > MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
> > > Study Finds", Fox News, March 26, 2007,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

Several recent studies have show angioplasty done after a window of
about 48 hours to be no better then normal care with drugs.  Why then
are they done. Could it be the money. There was a study that showed
late pci to a have a  slightly higher mortality rate then drug
treatment. Drug eluding stents have been shown in several studies to
be associated with  a little higher mortality then bare metal stents.
This information led the FDA to look again at the issue. They found
drug eluding stents to be safe when used according to the guidelines,
60% or so are not done according to the guidelines. It seems that each
step up the quality chain in this process actualy increases mortality.
It also increases profits. If people eat properly and exercise it
would put a large dent in heart diesease. In this country we eat to
many sugars and empty carbs this leads to an increase in insulin
resistance and belly fat. The way to avoid this eat less ;eat less
sugars and join a gym.Before Dr, Chung tells me I have the cart before
the horse about insulin resistance and belly fat I ask him to review
the recent article about using an insulin sensitiser to remodel belly
fat . This current journal of hypertension also I wise him well
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Apr 2007 07:35 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> about 48 hours to be no better then normal care with drugs.  Why then
> are they done. Could it be the money.

Prior to the studies, there was a sincere belief that there would be
benefit.

If the answers were known before the studies, there would have been no
justification for the studies being done.

> There was a study that showed
> late pci to a have a  slightly higher mortality rate then drug
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 60% or so are not done according to the guidelines. It seems that each
> step up the quality chain in this process actualy increases mortality.

Hind-sight is 20-20.

> It also increases profits. If people eat properly and exercise it
> would put a large dent in heart diesease.

Wiser for folks to eat less down to the optimal amount.

> In this country we eat to
> many sugars and empty carbs this leads to an increase in insulin
> resistance and belly fat.

Actually, the problems is simpler...

... overeating.

> The way to avoid this eat less ;

Folks who don't know how much they are eating will find it impossible
to eat less.

> eat less
> sugars and join a gym.

You had it right the first time.

> Before Dr, Chung tells me I have the cart before
> the horse about insulin resistance and belly fat I ask him to review
> the recent article about using an insulin sensitiser to remodel belly
> fat .

The surest way out of being lost in a forest is retracing your
footsteps.

The parable of Hansel and Gretel comes to mind.

> This current journal of hypertension also I wise him well

LORD Almighty GOD is the Source of all wisdom.

May HE bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
bigvince - 01 Apr 2007 16:14 GMT
On Apr 1, 2:35 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer, "Most Angioplasties Unneeded,
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> > many sugars and empty carbs this leads to an increase in insulin
> > resistance and belly fat.
FITS>
> Actually, the problems is simpler...
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Apr 2007 16:57 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>  Most people expect that when they go to a physician the treatment he recommends has been tested.

These would be people ending up in the hospital after suffering an
acute event looking to the doctors there to provide a way from their
returning home.  The procedures remain tested for assurance of
safety.

> > If the answers were known before the studies, there would have been no
> > justification for the studies being done.
>
> The point is that just as with drugs these proceedures should be tested before being used on a large
> scale.

They have been tested for safety.

> > > There was a study that showed
> > > late pci to a have a  slightly higher mortality rate then drug
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>  It is much better to do the studies before they are these modalities are used.  Then to make
> untested assumptions

Comparison trials of treatments necessarily follow **after** the
treatments have been established to be safe.

> > > that are It also increases profits. If people eat properly and
exercise it
> > > would put a large dent in heart diesease.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> > Again eating the correct balance is also important

People know to eat a variety of foods already.

> > Folks who don't know how much they are eating will find it impossible
> > to eat less.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  Eating less sugars is prudent   And Excersise has been show to be helpful.

Suggested reading:

http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.html?thread=16090#t16090

> > > Before Dr, Chung tells me I have the cart before
> > > the horse about insulin resistance and belly fat I ask him to review
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> but maybe not the best

Actually, it does turn out to be also the best:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
bigvince - 01 Apr 2007 22:42 GMT
On Apr 1, 11:57 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 121 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Medical proc edures that increase mortality rates cannot be
considered safe. Far too many have been done and most  where done not
according to guidelines. The only point of doing test is if the
results are put into clinical practice. Far to often this does not
happen. While an increase in mortality rates may not seem
significate .But too the people it affects it is very important. There
is a patterm so subtle and set in the medical community that has
resulted in many death. Vioxx safety was question for several years
but even after the issue was disclosed it continued to be used. Up to
60000 events including fatel events may have occured. What ever
happened to the Hippocratic oath First do no harm. The original study
that showed angioplasty had no benefits in late PCI those done after
about 48 hours had trouble getting Doctors at the leading coronary
care centers to participate the reason they felt the benefits wre so
obvious for the procedure that the study was not worth doing. The fact
here is that thes presedures have to be both safe and effective and
tested qickly to that end. The IOM a leading medical group has severly
critisized the way the FDA handles drug approvals and because so many
drug eluding stents are used has a lot of input in this field, now
recommends that new drugs be marked for aperiod of years and caution
be used during that period in prescribing them. To many drugs have to
be withdrawn as they show severe side effects.To slow is information
filtered down to the field. A JAMA article estimated that doctors may
be as high as the 3rd leading cause of death other experts place that
number even higher. The reaction of what happens shows that in some
respects there is an arrogance in the medical community to take
chances . It is a mindset that I believe is counterproductive.God
bless you for you have a great responsibility
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Apr 2007 00:59 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 119 lines]
> Medical procedures that increase mortality rates cannot be
> considered safe.

In the appropriate setting such as during a myocardial infarction,
angioplasty decreases mortality.

> Far too many have been done and most  where done not
> according to guidelines. The only point of doing test is if the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> resulted in many death. Vioxx safety was question for several years
> but even after the issue was disclosed it continued to be used.

Quality of life remains an important consideration.

> Up to
> 60000 events including fatel events may have occured. What ever
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> respects there is an arrogance in the medical community to take
> chances . It is a mindset that I believe is counterproductive.

These studies are being conducted by members of the medical community.

> God bless you for you have a great responsibility

HE has blessed me (and the United States) more that the world could
possibly ever know:

http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought

May GOD bless you.

Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1
 
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