And... ask him or any these other evangelical morons, if Hitler was an
atheist.

Notice how Mr. Chung doesn't even try to refute the damning summary of
information provided about him.

Chung, doesn't it ever occur you to get psychological help?

  I knew you were going to say that.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

All thanks and praise belong to ANDREW BEN-HUA CHUNG MD/PhD, for
compelling himself to lie yet again about everything.

   But, but, but, he is saved and washed by the blood of the Lamb!
   That makes all the difference! You see (I doubt it), he has a guaranteed
   future that is everlasting life, wwhich almost no one else in these ngs have!
   I'm looking forward to the day I can great him at the doorway, as I am
   much older than Dr. Andrew Chung, but I also have been washed by
   the blood of the lamb, and my mansion will be nearer his, than yours!

   MARANATHA!  Brother Chung! Do not let the enemy spoil your joy!

  Two articles follow:

  1- Propitiation, and
  2- Are you going to heaven, enjoy!

  Also don't forget to review my sig
  file, for even more entertaining info on the Christian Faith!     (-:

                                              Propitiation!

A man in Texas had the urge for a midnight snack. So he rolled out of bed
and walked down the hallway toward the kitchen. Passing the nursery, he
noticed his three-month-old son's bassinet toppled on the floor. Racing
back into the bedroom, he woke his wife to see if she had taken the baby
from the bassinet, but his wife was sound asleep and knew nothing of the
matter. Panic filled his heart as he ran down the hall, down the stairs,
and into the living room, where, much to his horror and shock, he saw his
twelve-foot pet python with a large lump in its center. He knew
immediately what happened to his baby. In anger and outrage, he went to
the back porch, grabbed a splitting maul, chopped up the snake, and ran
out of the front door screaming. He was later committed to a mental
institution.

This true story haunts me and is helpful to me in understanding a
biblical concept often misunderstood by people who wrestle with theology.
You see, although people do not have a problem when we talk about the
love of God, the wrath and judgment of God are things with which people
struggle. Yet if the man in Texas was justified in smashing that snake,
how much more is God justified in dealing with snakelike people who have
devoured others mindlessly and heartlessly.

I think of what happened in Somalia. Tens of thousands of babies starved.
Why? Because war lords were fighting for territory geographically,
jockeying for position politically, and preventing food from reaching
kids who were dying needlessly.

I think of what happened in Bosnia Herzegovina-where women were raped and
men slaughtered by the thousands, all in the name of ethnic cleansing.

I think of Medford, Oregon, where the school board forbids the
distribution of Bibles on school campuses as well as the use of any
school buildings to be rented to any church group for any reason. I
think, wonder, and ponder how it can be that a society that distributes
condoms refuses to allow the distribution of Scripture.

Why does God allow this insanity? Why does He, who sees not only the
tragedy of Bosnia and Somalia, but the utter depravity of even the most
seemingly together person, put up with a world so bent on
self-destruction?

The answer is very simple: Because God made man in His image, He gave him
the ability to choose. And when man chose to listen to the hissing of
Satan rather than to the Word of God, he unknowingly handed dominion of
the planet over to Satan. That's why Jesus called Satan the prince of
this world (John 14:30) and why Paul called him the god of this world (2
Corinthians 4:4). In the Garden of Eden, man turned this planet over to
Satan. That's why there are diseases and rape, war, death, and sadness on
our planet. It's not a matter of God allowing these things. It's a matter
of man giving Satan the authority to cause them.

Meanwhile, God looks down from heaven, and, as He was in Noah's day, is
filled with righteous indignation (Genesis 6:5-7). Yet even in Noah's
day, man found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Genesis 6:8). God looked at
Noah, had grace on Noah, and did a work through Noah. So, too, He will
again pour out His wrath in the period called the Tribulation.

Until then, however, what's the solution for the very genuine wrath God
feels concerning snakelike creatures like you and me? The answer is
propitiation. Why such a big word? Because no smaller word would suffice.
The Greek word translated "propitiation" is hilasterion, which means "to
appease the wrath of." We often say, "God hates the sin but loves the
sinner." While that is true, it is at best a shallow understanding
because the distinction between sin and sinner is not so easily made. You
see, I am not only the baby devoured by the python. I am the python. I am
a victim of sin, yes-but I am also its perpetrator.

Sin hurts people. It destroys mankind. It's cruel, vicious, and wrong.
And my own sin is no less devastating. Thus, God is understandably filled
with righteous indignation, which can only be appeased through
propitiation.

The people of Israel, having been delivered from Egypt, were on their way
to the land promised to them-a land flowing with milk and honey and
wonderful blessings. But en route, they started murmuring and complaining
(Numbers 21:5). The sin of complaining led to suffering in verse 6 as the
people were bitten by poisonous snakes. Suffering led to sorrow in verse
7. Sorrow led to salvation in verses 8, 9, when those who looked upon the
brass serpent were healed. Who was the Brass Serpent? Jesus (John
3:14-16).

Propitiation is God wielding a splitting maul upon the snake, the Brass
Serpent, Jesus Christ-instead of upon me. Am I calling Jesus Christ the
snake? Yes, because He who knew no sin became sin for us (2 Corinthians
5:21) in order that the wrath of the Father over the sin of the world
would be appeased. Instead of smashing a world that is snakelike and
bestial, He turned to His innocent Son and laid upon Him the iniquity of
us all.

Jesus understood this. That's why in the Garden of Gethsemane, He prayed
with such intensity, "Father, if possible, don't let Me drink of this
cup" (see Matthew 26:39). Socrates took the cup of hemlock and drank it
bravely. Was Jesus less than Socrates? No. It wasn't physical death Jesus
feared; it was the wrath of His Father that caused Him to break out in a
bloody sweat (Luke 22:44). Jesus knew what it meant to be the
propitiation, the satisfaction, the appeasement of wrath.

"The Father pouring out His anger upon His innocent Son is a form of
child abuse," you say. Wait a minute. What is the name of the Son?
Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6). You see, God Himself
became a Man and absorbed the wrath of His own indignation. The mystery
of the Trinity, the mystery of propitiation is that God actually wielded
the splitting maul upon Himself.

Hilasterion, or "propitiation"-the word we don't hear much today-is used
only five times in the entire New Testament: Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2; 1
John 4:10; and Hebrews 9 are four of them. The Hebrews reference, I
believe, is a real key to unlocking this understanding, for in describing
the mercy seat, the author of Hebrews uses the word hilasterion. The
mercy seat, or hilasterion, covered the ark of the covenant. The ark of
the covenant contained the law. Therefore, through the mercy seat, God
says, "I know you've broken the law. I know you deserve to be consumed
because of it. But I'm going to put a lid on it through the sacrifice of
My Son. He is the helasmos, the mercy seat, the propitiation. It's not
something He gives. It's who He is, for He has come between you and the
broken law. The wrath that I should vent on you was instead placed upon
My Son, who died in your place."

The fifth use of the word "propitiation" is found in Luke 18. If you feel
offended that I would liken you to a baby-eating python, if you are
repulsed by a God who would became a Man and slaughter Himself to
propitiate His righteous indignation, Luke 18:10-14 is the passage for
you. It is a brief vignette, concerning the prayers of a Pharisee and a
tax collector. Look at verse 13: "God, be merciful to me a sinner." It
begins with "God" and ends with "sinner." The middle phrase, "be
merciful"-the verb form of hilasterion-stands between God and sin. Every
one of us is in one of two categories. You're either the self-righteous
Pharisee, or you're the tax collector, grateful that Jesus is standing
between God and your sin.

What does a correct understanding of the concept of propitiation do?

Propitiation blows my mind. Propitiation adds an entirely different
dimension to what Paul calls "so great salvation" (Hebrews 2:3). It's not
just the Father saying, "I'm going to settle mankind's problem
judicially." No, He deals with it personally.

Propitiation warms my heart. That God would love me so much He would
actually become the object of His own wrath touches my heart in a
profound way.

Propitiation weakens my knees. Considering the righteous wrath of a
powerful God makes me realize that sin is serious. The Bible says the
beginning of wisdom is to fear God (Proverbs 1:7). And it goes on to say
that to fear God is to hate sin (Proverbs 8:13). The concept of
propitiation makes me question my own view of sin. How do I react when I
see things on the screen or hear unkind words come from my own mouth? If
you're knowingly sinning today in what you're doing, or where you're
going, I encourage you to think through propitiation.

Propitiation tickles my toes. Jacob was in a place he called Luz, or
"separation" After tricking his brother Esau out of his birthright and
blessing, he was in the wilderness running for his life. That night, as
he laid his head on a rock and tried to sleep, God revealed Himself to
him, pouring out a blessing upon him and giving a promise to him. Jacob
woke up and said, "Surely I am in the presence of God and I knew it not."
And he changed the name of the location from Luz to "Bethel," or "house
of God." Then, as we read in Genesis 29:1, Jacob "went on his journey."
Translated literally this phrase reads, "Jacob had happy feet."

"I'm a creep. I'm a crook. I'm a criminal," he said, "but the Lord met
me, has a plan for me, and is going to travel with me. Now I have happy
feet."

So, too, I say, "Oh, Lord, I know I'm a sinner. But because You absorbed
the anger that should have been poured out upon me, I leave here today
with tickled toes, weakened knees, a warmed heart, and a blown mind!"

May God continue to give us a comprehension of His love through an
understanding of propitiation.

In Jesus' Name.

[1]

A Topical Study of Romans 3:23-25

(Romans 3:23-25 NASB)

    23     for all ?1??a?have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    24     being justified as a gift ?a?by His grace through ?b?the
    redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

    25     whom God displayed publicly as ?a?a ?1?propitiation ?2??b?in
    His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness,
    ?3?because in the ?c?forbearance of God He ?d?passed over the sins
    previously committed;

[2]

3:25 God set forth Christ Jesus as a propitiation. A propitiation is a
means by which justice is satisfied, God's wrath is averted, and mercy
can be shown on the basis of an acceptable sacrifice.

Three times in the ?NT? Christ is spoken of as a propitiation. Here in
Romans 3:25 we learn that those who put their faith in Christ find mercy
by virtue of His shed blood. In 1 John 2:2 Christ is described as the
propitiation for our sins, and for those of the whole world. His work is
sufficient for the whole world but is only effective for those who put
their trust in Him. Finally, in 1 John 4:10, God's love was manifested in
sending His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

The prayer of the publican in Luke 18:13 was literally "God be propitious
to me, the sinner." He was asking God to show mercy to him by not
requiring him to pay the penalty of his aggravated guilt.

The word propitiation also occurs in Hebrews 2:17: "Therefore, in all
things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful
and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make
propitiation for the sins of the people." Here the expression "to make
propitiation" means to put away by paying the penalty.

The ?OT? equivalent of the word propitiation is mercy-seat. The
mercy-seat was the lid of the ark. On the Day of Atonement the high
priest sprinkled the mercy- seat with the blood of a sacrificial victim.
By this means errors of the high priest and of the people were atoned for
or covered.

When Christ made propitiation for our sins, He went much further. He not
only covered them but did away with them completely.

Now Paul tells us in 3:25 that God set Christ forth as a propitiation by
His blood, through faith. We are not told to put our faith in His blood;
Christ Himself is the object of our faith. It is only a resurrected and
living Christ Jesus who can save. He is the propitiation. Faith in Him is
the condition by which we avail ourselves of the propitiation. His blood
is the price that was paid.

The finished work of Christ declares God's righteousness for the
remission of sins that are past. This refers to sins committed before the
death of Christ. From Adam to Christ, God saved those who put their faith
in Him on the basis of whatever revelation He gave them. Abraham, for
example, believed God, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness (Gen.
15:6). But how could God do this righteously? A sinless Substitute had
not been slain. The blood of a perfect Sacrifice had not been shed. In a
word, Christ had not died. The debt had not been paid. God's righteous
claims had not been met. How then could God save believing sinners in the
OT period?

The answer is that although Christ had not yet died, God knew that He
would die, and He saved men on the basis of the still-future work of
Christ. Even if ?OT? saints didn't know about Calvary, God knew about it,
and He put all the value of Christ's work to their account when they
believed God. In a very real sense, ?OT? believers were saved on credit.
They were saved on the basis of a price still to be paid. They looked
forward to Calvary; we look back to it.

That is what Paul means when he says that the propitiation of Christ
declares God's righteousness because He had passed over the sins that
were previously committed. He is not speaking, as some wrongly think, of
sins which an individual person has committed before his conversion. This
might suggest that the work of Christ took care of sins before the new
birth, but that a man is on his own after that. No, he is dealing with
the seeming leniency of God in apparently overlooking the sins of those
who were saved before the cross. It might seem that God excused those
sins or pretended not to see them. Not so, says Paul. The Lord knew that
Christ would make full expiation, and so He saved men on that basis.

So the ?OT? period was a time of the forbearance of God. For at least
4000 years He held back His judgment on sin. Then in the fullness of time
He sent His Son to be the Sin-bearer. When the Lord Jesus took our sins
upon Himself, God unleashed the full fury of His righteous, holy wrath on
the Son of His love.

[3]

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[1]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (894).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.

1 Or sinned a Rom 3:9 a Rom 4:4f, 16; Eph 2:8 b 1 Cor 1:30; Eph 1:7; Col
1:14; Heb 9:15 a 1 John 2:2; 4:10 1 Or a propitiatory sacrifice 2 Or by b
1 Cor 5:7; Heb 9:14, 28; 1 Pet 1:19; Rev 1:5 3 Lit because of the passing
over of the sins previously committed in the forbearance of God c Rom 2:4
d Acts 14:16; 17:30

[2]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ro 3:23). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.

NT New Testament OT Old Testament

[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible
Commentary : Old and New Testaments (Ro 3:25). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

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Are You Going to Heaven?

If you know you are going to Hell,
or if you deny there is any Heaven or Hell,
we strongly urge you to consider your situation very carefully.
We are convinced that Hell is a very real place.
See why, and learn why you will want to avoid it at all costs.
We know the topic is unpleasant, but this issue is much too
important to ignore.

Is there an actual place called "Hell"?
Why was Hell made?
Is there anyone in Hell today?
Will there literally be a burning fire in Hell?
What should you be willing to do to stay out of Hell?
How can a God of love send anybody to Hell?
What if I don't believe in Hell?
Beware, although most people say "yes" or "I think so"
when asked "Are you going to Heaven?", many are sadly
incorrect about their ultimate destination. Most believe they
qualify for Heaven because of one of the following wrong reasons.

"I'm basically a good person" (60%)
When you say you believe you are a pretty decent person,
keep in mind that it is because you are comparing yourself
on man's scale, not on God's. If you compare yourself to
Hitler or Charles Manson, certainly you seem to be "good".
But what if you compared yourself to Mother Teresa? Most
people fall somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.
The Bible teaches that no one is good (Romans 3:10).
Not you. Not me. Not Mother Teresa. Not the Catholic saints.
Not even the Prophets God sent to earth in centuries past.
Only God is good. (Luke 18:18-20)

Do you realize that it is impossible for a good, holy, perfect,
truthful God to have in His presence anyone who has even made
one mistake? Since that is the case, we have a problem: how can
we come to live with a Holy God?

"I've never hurt anyone" (2% response)
Are you sure you've never hurt anyone?
Have you considered the things you speak to others?
Jesus warns in Matthew 5:21-22 that even being unjustly angry
with someone puts you in danger of judgment. Also, how many
people have you hurt because of things you failed to do?

"I've tried to keep the 10 Commandments" (5%)
First, take a look at this before answering:
What does God expect of me?
Now can you honestly say you've never lied--even a "little white lie"?
Never stolen--even just a paper clip? Perhaps you've never committed
adultery in the physical act, but did you know that Jesus said that lusting
after someone is the same to God?

If you've broken even just one law one time,
that makes you a lawbreaker. If you will listen, your
own conscience will tell you that you are certainly
a law breaker.
See: Am I good enough for heaven?

"I go to church" (8%)
Going to church is a good thing. (See >> Why should Christians go to church? and >>
How can I find a good church?) But if you think that just going to church is good
enough to earn your way to heaven, take a look at Romans 3:27 and Ephesians 2:8.
These passages are clear that nothing we can do on earth (like trying to go to church
to gain merit with God) can make us righteous in His never-failing sight.
Jesus had strong words for the Pharisees of His day. They tried to merit favor with
God by acting religious. But Jesus called them "a brood of vipers".
See also Matthew 9:11, 12:39, 16:1-4; Luke 7:39, 18:11.

"I believe in God" (10%)
Perhaps you think that belief in God is good enough to get you to heaven.
But consider this: since Satan and his demons believe that God is real, does
that mean they too will be in heaven? (James 2:19) See also Romans 1:20.

"I've done the best I could" (15%)
Maybe you have tried to do the right thing for the most part.
You've made some mistakes, and if God weighs your good deeds vs.
your bad deeds, you hope you will come out ok. Again, we have the
problem that if you have only sinned once in your life, you've still broken
God's law and are a lawbreaker. God sees our righteousness as
"filthy rags". When we think of God's standard of holiness,
we don't even come close! (See >> How good is good enough?)
We have all broken God's laws and stand guilty before a holy God.

Just as a human judge must enforce justice and punish evildoers,
God, who is completely just, holy and righteous, must also punish sin.

What is the answer?

When this life is over, we will each stand before God on Judgment Day
and give an account for our life. No matter how good we tried to be,
our best efforts will all be as "filthy rags" in God's sight, that is, if the
sin separating us from God has not been removed.

God, who is holy and just, and therefore must punish sin, is also
loving and merciful and does not want to punish us.

To solve this problem, God sent His only Son Jesus Christ
as God incarnate, fully God and fully man, to pay our sin debt for us.

Learn more about Jesus Christ!
The only way to get to Heaven is to put our faith in Jesus Christ.
Why is Jesus so important? He is the only one who lived on earth
a sinless life. As fully God and fully man, he was tempted as we
are yet was without sin.
A fellow sinner could never set you free from God's judgment by
taking your penalty on himself. Only Jesus could qualify to do that.

With the sentence of death upon us, 2,000 years ago,
God came in the flesh, stepped into our courtroom, and paid
our sin debt Himself. Like a compassionate judge giving his own
life to save the guilty, Jesus Christ took upon Himself the
sins of the world - the just dying for the unjust.

This GIFT is absolutely FREE. Like any other true gift,
it is not earned or deserved.

The gift of eternal life is received by faith.

Realizing that we cannot save ourselves, and that we deserve
God's judgment for our sins, we come to Him by faith.
With a heart willing to obey God, fully dependent upon Him,
we place our faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone for the
forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

"For by grace are you saved through faith, and that
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