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Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Personal message for Bob Pastorio of rec.food.cooking
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2007 11:41 GMT http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/655.html?thread=51599#t51599
Please continue to pray for all the stricken folks who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
"The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit.
Amen.
May GOD continue to heal the hearts of our souls with HIS living water (http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/living.asp) so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear neighbors, friends, and brethren whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 17 Mar 2007 12:09 GMT On 17 mrt, 11:41, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/655.html?thread=51599#t51599 > > Please continue to pray for all the stricken folks who have been > convicted by the Holy Spirit: Appeatantly the Holy spirit isn't omniscient, and didn't forsee you and your friends praying or else he wouldn't have convivted them:)
Get a life man, spirits only live in you imagination.
Peter van Velzen Atheist#1107 March 2007 Amstelveen The Netherlands
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2007 12:19 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Appeatantly the Holy spirit isn't omniscient HE is omniscient.
> , and didn't forsee you and your friends praying > or else he wouldn't have convivted them:) Actually, the prayers of the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ would be for the salvation of souls and not bodies.
Without the soul, the body is worthless.
> Get a life man HE is the life.
> , spirits only live in you imagination. Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 17 Mar 2007 18:41 GMT On 17 mrt, 12:19, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Peter van Velzen (pba...@worldonline.nl) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Actually, the prayers of the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ would be > for the salvation of souls and not bodies. If the holy spirit is ominscient and convited them. your prayers aren't going to help. or are you implying the holy spirit has convited the bodies?!?
> Without the soul, the body is worthless. Not to undertakers it ain't:(
> > Get a life man > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: I can't remember even being charged woth anything (though I did receive traffic tickets vor speeding (106 where 100 is allowed) and passing a red light. But somehow I do not think that is what you mean.
I won't convict you for your appearent slander though. I just keep up hope you will one day learn to speak for yourselve and not for you imagined friend.
Peter van Velzen March 2007 Amstelveen The Netherlands
sheeluvs me - 17 Mar 2007 19:26 GMT On Mar 17, 1:41 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
> I can't remember even being charged woth anything > (though I did receive traffic tickets vor speeding (106 where 100 is > allowed) > and passing a red light. > But somehow I do not think that is what you mean. Close enough for Chung. He happens to know the holy spirit was on patrol that night.
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 18 Mar 2007 12:54 GMT > On Mar 17, 1:41 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Close enough for Chung. He happens to know the holy spirit was on > patrol that night. sorry it all happened at daytime:)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2007 21:46 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > convicted neighbor Peter van Velzen (pba...@worldonline.nl) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Please continue to pray for all the stricken folks who have been > > > > convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > > Appeatantly the Holy spirit isn't omniscient > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If the holy spirit is ominscient and convited them. > your prayers aren't going to help. GOD's will be done and not our wills.
> or are you implying the holy spirit has convited the bodies?!? No.
> > Without the soul, the body is worthless. > > Not to undertakers it ain't:( A person's body will return to being dust.
A person's spirit is eternal if remembered by GOD.
> > > Get a life man > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> I can't remember even being charged woth anything > (though I did receive traffic tickets vor speeding (106 where 100 is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I just keep up hope you will one day learn to speak for yourselve > and not for you imagined friend. It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kurt Gavin - 18 Mar 2007 00:30 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love11@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>> If the holy spirit is ominscient and convited them. >> your prayers aren't going to help. > > GOD's will be done and not our wills. More gibberish from a mental case.
Watch the chung demon flee flee these words of truth from a righteous atheist.
Moron athon !!!!!
pbamvv@worldonline.nl - 18 Mar 2007 13:01 GMT On 17 mrt, 21:46, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Peter van Velzen (pba...@worldonline.nl) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with > your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" Sorry I am not very good in telling lies. I did it twice in my life and both times I felt bad about it, and ulitmately I confessed the truth. I do not think I will ever lie again.
If you declare the holy spirit condemed me, that means you are condemning me (because the holy spirit legally does not exists) I would like to know what crime I am accused of, before somebody speaks the verdict.
I see condemning people without sufficient reason as a form of slander. So I would very much like you to take back you words, or proof I did anything wrong.
Peter van Velzen (presumed innocent) March 2007 Amstelveen The Netherlands
Father Haskell - 17 Mar 2007 21:25 GMT On Mar 17, 7:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> Without the soul, the body is worthless. Not to the 20 or so people waiting for transplants.
Martin - 17 Mar 2007 12:28 GMT > http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/655.html?thread=51599#t51599 > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Sod off Chung, you're a false prophet and will be damned to hell.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2007 13:25 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > Sod off Chung, you're a false prophet and will be damned to hell. It remains my choice to continue to refrain from prophesying.
GOD's purpose for me here is to continuing serving as a watchman and not a prophet.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
Flying Rat Convict #42 - 17 Mar 2007 14:09 GMT > It remains my choice to continue to refrain from prophesying. Liar
The chung demon squeals, howls and runs away when confronted with his own sins.
As Andrew B Chung is doing his best to evade hard questions put to him, let's keep reminding people of the words in the Bible. The words supposedly of the very God that Chung reckons he worships.
Chung keeps predicting and prophesying earthquakes, plagues and nuclear wars. They don't happen. Therefore:
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him."
Deuteronomy 18:18-22
No matter how much Chung wriggles, edits or ignores, the coward is a false prophet by the definition of his own precious scripture and bible.
Mark K. Bilbo - 17 Mar 2007 14:35 GMT >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > It remains my choice to continue to refrain from prophesying. Does that explain why you're always wrong?
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Kurt Gavin - 17 Mar 2007 17:28 GMT Tell us how you know people are "convicted" by some "holy spirit".
And don't chant - discuss it like an adult.
I don't think you have the courage to even try answering this question.
Here's another question for chunkers and his little Jesus friends:
If there is a God, wouldn't he more likely respect people who used their God-given brains and had honest skepticism based on lack of evidence, ubiquitous contradictions, and on the bad acts performed in his name?
Logically, he would seek to punish those who professed belief in him for selfish reasons of seeking better treatment in an afterlife and ranting away condemning others -- perhaps he will even make them the slaves of the more honest and worthy atheist skeptics.
The Bible is full of various types of tests -- as a ranting Jesus monkey, the afterlife you can look forward through is probably at the end of a leash held by an atheist.
cteasd5941@gmail.com - 17 Mar 2007 21:04 GMT >>>>>> Tell us how you know people are "convicted" by some "holy spirit".<<<<<<<<< Dear Kurt,
Do you think that y/our transgressions have been marked by God, if not why not?
Firstly, before you answer, consider how men keep account of one another's sins.
If you were to answer the question you have put to Andrew, what would you say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>perhaps he will even make them the slaves of the more honest and worthy atheist skeptics.<<<<<<<
Jesus is already our Servant King, The Bible makes sure that there is no room for error on this matter, not even the disciples escape His service to them. The essence of "The Message" goes like this......
"3-6Jesus knew that the Father had put him in complete charge of everything, that he came from God and was on his way back to God. So he got up from the supper table, set aside his robe, and put on an apron. Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the feet of the disciples, drying them with his apron. When he got to Simon Peter, Peter said, "Master, you wash my feet?"
7Jesus answered, "You don't understand now what I'm doing, but it will be clear enough to you later."
8Peter persisted, "You're not going to wash my feet-ever!"
Jesus said, "If I don't wash you, you can't be part of what I'm doing." (John 3-8, The Message)
In Christ's love Carol T
Sanity's Little Helper - 17 Mar 2007 21:42 GMT cteasd5941@gmail.com tripped gaily down the garden path, and yelled:
>>>>>>> Tell us how you know people are "convicted" by some "holy spirit".<<<<<<<<< > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Dear Carol.
There are many things in this life that the Holy Bible cannot help you with. This is because civilisation has moved on an awfully long way since it was written.
I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's inner being to in the eyes of those more knowledgeable on such matters than yourself.
By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. Unless you make it clear that you are not, it is absolutely inevitable that you will be tarred with the same brush as him, and I would suggest therefore that you more carefully acquaint yourself with the thrust of his postings. This way, you will be better able to judge whether or not it is reasonable for people to tar you with the same brush as him.
If, having taken careful stock of what is actually going on, you feel that you do not wish to be associated with Mr. Chung and the thrust of his activities here in Usenet, I strongly suggest that you make it very clear to all and sundry that you are not endorsing his activities. Otherwise it must be assumed that you are, which is a very serious matter.
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cteasd5941@gmail.com - 18 Mar 2007 17:32 GMT Dear little elf David:o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many things in this life that the Holy Bible cannot help you with. This is because civilisation has moved on an awfully long way since it was written.<<<<< It has?????? In what direction? Tasting from the tree of knowledge is death, how is this progressive?
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17
>>>>> I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's inner being to in the eyes of those more knowledgeable on such matters than yourself.<<<<<<< Ah, so you are suggesting that an overload of information brings people great wisdom? Of course this is not true. Wisdom is graceful. Do you see a world of wisdom in this world of information overload?
>>>>>>>>> By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. <<<<<<<< Sides??????
I love Jesus, He is my Lord and Saviour, my focus is on Him. He was ridiculed, persecuted, flogged, pierced, and nailed to a cross. In the face of His love for me, why would I bother what others think of me ?
I will not judge those who are not filled with God's Spirit of wisdom, and therefore if you feel compelled to place me into a group of others, for what ever reason, you shall know that I will not be judging you either.
God's Word is the greatest information of all, it's filled with all the condition of man, nothing is missing.
In Christ's love Carol T
Kurt Gavin - 18 Mar 2007 18:34 GMT > Dear little elf David:o) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It has?????? In what direction? Tasting from the tree of knowledge > is death, how is this progressive? What a ridiculous remark.
If you do not agree with knowledge and progress, what are you doing using computers and the Internet?
If you don't agree with using knowledge, then go to a witch doctor, not a medical doctor.
This is just another indication of what the term "Christian brain-dead" means.
cteasd5941@gmail.com - 18 Mar 2007 23:21 GMT Dear Kurt,
>>>>>>> If you do not agree with knowledge and progress, what are you doing using computers and the Internet?<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Talking to you and others. The fruit's been eaten. This is something for you to remember when you hear someone say that they have not sinned.
>>>>>>>>> If you don't agree with using knowledge, then go to a witch doctor, not a medical doctor.<<<<<<<< Do you know what Jesus told the doctor to go and do?
Have you ever read Ecclesiastes? No, I suppose that you haven't. It is the book of the philosopher, a man of wisdom who recognises man's insignificance against God's glory. You should read it, it's a little humorous, but filled with the futility of everything man 'thinks' he is.
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea [is] not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things [are] full of labour; man cannot utter [it]: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. " Ecc 1:7-8 KJV
> >>>>>>>>This is just another indication of what the term "Christian brain-dead" means.<<<<< You should not get into the habit of conversing with the 'brain dead', if this is what you think it is.
In Christ's love Carol T
Kurt Gavin - 19 Mar 2007 00:33 GMT > Dear Kurt, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for you to remember when you hear someone say that they have not > sinned. Here's a website for you to learn from:
http://www.evilbible.com/
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Mar 2007 18:35 GMT > sister Carol, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > There are many things in this life that the Holy Bible cannot help you > with. The Holy Bible is a road map. The Holy Spirit is the Guide.
HE is also known as the Great Counselor.
HE has helped and will continue to help the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ until the end of the age.
> This is because civilisation has moved on an awfully long way since > it was written. "Awfully" is the key word here.
> I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern > communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's > inner being to in the eyes of those more knowledgeable on such matters than > yourself. LORD Almighty GOD remains the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with > Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ elect not leave HIS side for anyone including other brethren unless it is HIS perfect will for us to do so.
> Unless you make it > clear that you are not, it is absolutely inevitable that you will be tarred > with the same brush as him Carol is no longer of this world just as Christ Jesus is not of this world.
She is an immortal as are the others who are HIS brethren.
While HIS brethren reverently fear GOD, we dread nothing (especially not the man of lawlessness) that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
>, and I would suggest therefore that you more > carefully acquaint yourself with the thrust of his postings. Your suggestion would be for another who is of this world such as yourself (2 Thessalonians 2).
> This way, you > will be better able to judge whether or not it is reasonable for people to > tar you with the same brush as him. Her reply to you shows that she has GOD's peace which is beyond any worldly understanding that you may possess.
> If, having taken careful stock of what is actually going on, you feel that > you do not wish to be associated with Mr. Chung and the thrust of his > activities here in Usenet, I strongly suggest that you make it very clear > to all and sundry that you are not endorsing his activities. Sister Carol knows that all is going to glorify GOD.
> Otherwise it > must be assumed that you are, which is a very serious matter. Without the LORD, your assumptions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Reverently fear GOD, and dread nothing (especially not the opinion of others) that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Tragically, dear Bob Pastorio, who remains in my prayers, now serves as a cautionary example of what happens to someone who delays surrendering to Him:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor David whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' everlasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kurt Gavin - 18 Mar 2007 18:40 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love10@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> The Holy Bible is a road map. The Holy Spirit is the Guide. > > HE is also known as the Great Counselor. Rules for selling your daughter into sexual slavery:
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
http://www.evilbible.com/
The Chung demon relies on stale old phrases because it is too impaired to deal with the truth.
The Chung demon will cower and howl rather than address the truth.
Ask not "why Christianity is filled with Tedi Haggards", ask "how Christianity creates Tedi Haggards".
Rev. Karl E. Taylor - 18 Mar 2007 20:30 GMT >> sister Carol, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > The Holy Bible is a road map. The Holy Spirit is the Guide. Wrongo Chunks. The bible is toilet paper, and the Wholly Spook is a myth. Had to guide people when it ain't even there.
> HE is also known as the Great Counselor. See above. Provide some objective evidence that spooky is factual and real and then you'll have something to talk about. Till that time, you are a liar.
> HE has helped and will continue to help the brethren of LORD Jesus > Christ until the end of the age. Help the deluded more like it. Still it's not all bad, at least you and your little play mates still have imaginary friends. You know, beings at the same intellectual level as the rest of you clowns.
>> This is because civilisation has moved on an awfully long way since >> it was written. > > "Awfully" is the key word here. Clouded vision again Chunks? If society is awful, you have a way out you know.
>> I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern >> communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's >> inner being to in the eyes of those more knowledgeable on such matters than >> yourself. > > LORD Almighty GOD remains the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. Prove it liar.
Oh, that's right, you can't. Well, keep lying to yourself.
>> By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with >> Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. > > The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ elect not leave HIS side for anyone > including other brethren unless it is HIS perfect will for us to do > so. Yeah, Luke 14 lays it out pretty well. Ya got to hate every one to be a disciple of your mythical savior on a stick.
Great religion you have there Chunks. One big hate filled world.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Mar 2007 22:49 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> sister Carol, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Wrongo Chunks. Your language indicates otherwise.
Here is an acronym for you:
*B*asic *I*nstructions *B*efore *L*eaving *E*arth --> BIBLE
This did not happen by chance but by GOD because everything that the world would attribute to chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).
> The bible is toilet paper, and the Wholly Spook is a > myth. Had to guide people when it ain't even there. Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit confirms that indeed you are eternally condemned as all demons are.
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Art Deco - 19 Mar 2007 00:20 GMT False prophet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <love10@thetruth.com> tholed:
>Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit confirms that indeed you are >eternally condemned as all demons are. Idiot.
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Kurt Gavin - 19 Mar 2007 00:35 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love10@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> Here is an acronym for you: > > *B*asic *I*nstructions *B*efore *L*eaving *E*arth --> BIBLE Sure....
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Uncle Clover - 19 Mar 2007 00:43 GMT <piggybacking>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love10@thetruth.com> wrote in message > > > > Here is an acronym for you: > > > > *B*asic *I*nstructions *B*efore *L*eaving *E*arth --> BIBLE Honey, you've done been to outer space already. What do you think we here on Earth have been trying to contact you for? "HellOOOOoo, Earth to Chung!" Ring any bells? So if you're supposed to be paying attention to that thing before you've left the stratosphere, you've failed. It's too late. You're already a lost cause.
Besides, to listen to all the closet-case televangelists these days, "BIBLE" surely means something more along the lines of "Bungholes In Business, Lets Ejaculate". Or some such junk.
Art Deco - 19 Mar 2007 03:01 GMT ><piggybacking> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >"BIBLE" surely means something more along the lines of "Bungholes In >Business, Lets Ejaculate". Or some such junk. What is really ironic about Andy quoting this old ditty is that his knowledge of the scriptures is shallow and trite, and mostly composed of one-liners or outright falsehoods.
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Kurt Gavin - 19 Mar 2007 23:51 GMT >><piggybacking> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > knowledge of the scriptures is shallow and trite, and mostly composed > of one-liners or outright falsehoods. And... ask him or any these other evangelical morons, if Hitler was an atheist.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges - 20 Mar 2007 02:07 GMT > >><piggybacking> > >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > And... ask him or any these other evangelical morons, if Hitler was an > atheist. i already know stalin was a preacher christians killed socrates and only atheists are without murderers
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo
Porsche Monkey For Life - 20 Mar 2007 05:58 GMT >> "Art Deco" wrote... >> >><piggybacking> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > i already know stalin was a preacher No, Stalin was studying to become a priest, IIRC. He never made it, though. I think he had an attack of sanity, albeit a relatively brief one.
> christians killed socrates Hey, the pagans of the time needed an arse-kicking. So what if it came several centuries later?
> and only atheists are without murderers No, there just aren't as many high-profile ones as some Xians would like to believe. Mind you, one may argue that politicians only have one religion: Power.
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5. Tried to censor others, yet scream when others suggest that they killfile them or create a moderated newsgroup.
6. Complained to someone's ISP when they got spanked in a flame war.
7. Been complained about to their ISP deservedly.
8. Flamed someone from an anonymous account.
9. Made a spelling flame. (*)
10. Used RANT-CAPS & manic punctuation.
11. Claimed to be qualified to make a legal determination or medical diagnosis with no justification - bonus points if the kook is obviously projecting her/his *own* condition/behavior. (**)
12. Claimed an academic or professional degree they obviously do not have.
13. Claimed that because of a degree or research topic, another poster cannot know anything about any other subject.
In this section give your Prospective Kook TWO points for every YES answer. Give your Prospective Kook additional points for multiple occurrences.
1. Called someone a pedophile or drug pusher without proof.
2. Bonus if they called anyone a "Republican Nazi Pedophile"
3. Ranted about *Free Speech* when an anti-spammer canceled their article.
4. Posted to a newsgroup via sock-puppet.
5. Thought about becoming a Freedom Knight.
6. Voted via sock-puppet in a Big Eight vote.
7. Defended a well known kook.
8. Been Nominated for a Kook award.
9. Invented Usenet 'rules' & 'laws', particularly coming up with creative definitions for what constitutes spam & spamming.
10. Implied that she/he has powerful allies who will deal with his/her enemies, due to having affiliations with Microsoft, the CIA or some other powerful organization - no matter how flimsy the association.
11. Claimed an academic or professional degree after having stated they are a high school dropout or otherwise indicated their actual level of achievement, or claim multiple PhD's, MD's, etc.
12. 'Removed' an academic or professional degree or title from another more clueful poster. (Includes scare quotes such as 'Esq.', or 'Dr.')
13. Claimed one of the well known regulars of AUK is using a remailer to impersonate them, when all kook sign points to them.
In this section give your Prospective Kook THREE points for every YES answer. Give your Prospective Kook additional points for multiple occurrences.
1. Threatened to kill or cause bodily harm to another via mail or post.
2. Told someone they have caused the kook to harm himself.
3. Stalked/harassed an opponent off-line.
4. Mail-bombed anyone.
5. Spammed a newsgroup.
6. Posted a forged or altered newsgroup article.
7. Lost an account due to abuse.
8. Won a kook award.
9. Threatened a groundless lawsuit via mail or post. LA Law bonus: Additional point if a TV lawyer is used.)
(Grubor bonus: If they claim John Grubor/Law Systems Institoot as counsel)
10. Threatened to have their "agents" come after someone.
11. Had a FAQ posted about their kookiness.
12. Pretended to be a sysadmin or ISP owner.
13. CC'ed emailed complaints to irrelevant or non-existent organizations email addresses, such as the DOJ, AG, CIA, FBI etc.
14. Been TOSsed and then claimed to have canceled it, her/it/himself?
(*) PalmJob Exception Rule. Cannot be applied to a mere troll's points.
(**) Brad Jesness Factor. Not applicable to BJ, it is expected.
Scale/Rank : 1 - 10 points : Kook Wannabe. Needs to read Grubor's posting history on dejanews. Your Prospective Kook has much to learn. They may have just screwed up once or twice.
11 - 25 points : Journeyman Kook. Needs to Continue to mimic the real kooks. Your Prospective Kook could be a contender.
26 - 36 points : Kook First Class. Still a lesser light, but Your Prospective Kook HAS arrived! People killfile him/her.
36 - 50 points : Kook cum Laude. Someone is considering writing a FAQ about your Prospective Kook. Has been nominated for at least one a.u.k award.
51 + points : Kook Magna cum Laude. Your Prospective Kook has a FAQ. Your Prospective Kook will eventually win all the big awards. Your Prospective Kook can leap tall newbies with a single bound.
I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN! - 20 Mar 2007 06:59 GMT >> >><piggybacking> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite > impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo hey catgirl-got me a new male kitty feline. he so full of love. its me-i kiiled your god-remember-it died horribly.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges - 20 Mar 2007 09:25 GMT > >> >><piggybacking> > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > he so full of love. > its me-i kiiled your god-remember-it died horribly. did you at least send flowers
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo
Teh Czar ov Awl Teh Flonkers - 22 Mar 2007 03:15 GMT I'll never know another mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges like mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges on Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:25:55 -0700 in AUK, they're so drad:
>> "mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" wrote... >> >> "Art Deco" wrote... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > did you at least send flowers Never Send Flowers*.
[*] Gratuitous obscure James Bond reference.
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> Free cl00: Why do you think you've been nominated for so many awards, > Dribbles??? "Because y'all have so many nyms. Like I stated yesterday. Your b1tch as$ opinion doesn't mean $hit to me. You are totally irrelevant to me. I continue flame you because I like kicking retards around." -- The Monkey-man is unaware that Max Grrl only _has_ one nym. MID: <jq9xh.875$hH2.700@trnddc02>
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> By the by, the "BT" that was mentioned in my exchange with her? That is > a retired bishop that she thinks is lurking in usenet groups giving her > secret messages about what and where to post. "I did not say he was giving me anonymous messages about where to post, I said he *may* have given me anonymous messages about where to post." -- No, Beauty's not a paranoid k00k at all. No way. Doesn't everyone(tine) think that way, sometimes? Message-ID: <ergl7i$njc$3@registered.motzarella.org>
Rev. Karl E. Taylor - 20 Mar 2007 14:44 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > *B*asic *I*nstructions *B*efore *L*eaving *E*arth --> BIBLE Wow, did you think that one up all by yourself Chunks, or did one of the voices in your head give you some help?
> This did not happen by chance but by GOD because everything that the > world would attribute to chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33). Bullshit Chunky. Till you provide objective evidence to support your claim, it's still only your silly little fantasy.
>> The bible is toilet paper, and the Wholly Spook is a >> myth. Had to guide people when it ain't even there. > > Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit confirms that indeed you are > eternally condemned as all demons are. Get a clue sh.t for brains, your useless threats of hellfire and demons mean nothing to me, as they are no more real or factual then your god, savior on a stick, hole spook are.
No wonder you're no longer allowed to practice medicine. Lunatics like you deserve to be locked away from rational people, for your own safety of course.
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Sanity's Little Helper - 19 Mar 2007 20:05 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD tripped gaily down the garden path, and yelled:
>> sister Carol, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > The Holy Bible is a road map. The Holy Spirit is the Guide. No, it's a collection of scary stories designed to stop people questioning those who rule them.
> HE is also known as the Great Counselor. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > "Awfully" is the key word here. No, it's just utilised as a superlative to emphasise how long it is since the goat-herders who dreamed up your death cult were consigned to oblivion.
>> I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern >> communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's >> inner being to in the eyes of those more knowledgeable on such matters than >> yourself. > > LORD Almighty GOD remains the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. Nope.The source of all knowledge and wisdom is human endeavour. Such as that of Dr. Hildner, the esteemed cardiologist whom yopu may have heard of.
>> By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with >> Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. > > The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ elect not leave HIS side for anyone > including other brethren unless it is HIS perfect will for us to do > so. Well, he'd better make it so for both your sakes.
>> Unless you make it >> clear that you are not, it is absolutely inevitable that you will be tarred >> with the same brush as him > > Carol is no longer of this world just as Christ Jesus is not of this > world. Any sane person would consider that to be slander.
> She is an immortal as are the others who are HIS brethren. > > While HIS brethren reverently fear GOD, we dread nothing (especially > not the man of lawlessness) that is of this world: > > http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought Continued use of stolen material noted.
>>, and I would suggest therefore that you more >> carefully acquaint yourself with the thrust of his postings. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Her reply to you shows that she has GOD's peace which is beyond any > worldly understanding that you may possess. You mean it's beyond rational or, for that matter, moral and ethical justifiction, and also quite possibly beyond legal justification.
>> If, having taken careful stock of what is actually going on, you feel that >> you do not wish to be associated with Mr. Chung and the thrust of his [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Without the LORD, your assumptions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). You are both going to find out the hard way that they aren't.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Mar 2007 11:04 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> sister Carol, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > No, it's a collection of scary stories designed to stop people questioning > those who rule them. Asking questions in not a sin according to what is written in the Bible.
Jesus never rebuked anyone for asking questions.
HE did rebuke Simon Peter for harming another with a sword that HE had HIS disciple carry as a swordbearer.
> > HE is also known as the Great Counselor. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, it's just utilised as a superlative to emphasise how long it is since > the goat-herders who dreamed up your death cult were consigned to oblivion. And yet here we are to the end of the age as Jesus promised proving that we are not members of a death cult.
Indeed, one of Jesus' prayer is that we, HIS brethren, not be taken from the world but that we remain to continue GOD's work to glorify HIM.
GOD is GOD of the living and not of the dead.
HIS kingdom is one of eternal life.
> >> I would in particular like to draw your attention to the use of modern > >> communication media, and the level of exposure it may subject a person's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nope. Yes.
> The source of all knowledge and wisdom is human endeavour. It is clear from the example of King Solomon that GOD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> Such as > that of Dr. Hildner, the esteemed cardiologist whom yopu may have heard of. Dr. Hildner remains forgiven by me. Because he has coronary heart disease, having himself has angioplasty with stenting, he remains in my prayers.
It should be obvious to the most casual observer that King Solomon remains the wisest mortal man the world has ever known.
> >> By replying to Kurt it must be assumed that you are taking sides with > >> Andrew and are endorsing his behaviour here in Usenet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, he'd better make it so for both your sakes. HE knows best.
> >> Unless you make it > >> clear that you are not, it is absolutely inevitable that you will be tarred [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Any sane person would consider that to be slander. GOD is the Author of all reality (including the alternate ones).
Those who are without GOD are the ones not connected to reality.
Truth is simple.
Suggested reading:
2 Thessalonians 2
> > She is an immortal as are the others who are HIS brethren. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Continued use of stolen material noted. As if Google archival were theft.
If you feel strongly about this, why don't you report Google ?
> >>, and I would suggest therefore that you more > >> carefully acquaint yourself with the thrust of his postings. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You mean it's beyond rational or, for that matter, moral and ethical > justifiction, and also quite possibly beyond legal justification. Peace requires no justification.
You either have it or you don't.
Clearly you are disconnected from reality and need help with your sanity.
> >> If, having taken careful stock of what is actually going on, you feel that > >> you do not wish to be associated with Mr. Chung and the thrust of his [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You are both going to find out the hard way that they aren't. It seems you are suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Such are the delusions of "the man of lawlessness."
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio: http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Kurt Gavin - 20 Mar 2007 15:59 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" howls and howls <snip>
Nothing but superstitious ravings from a mental defective..
if I'm wrong, then produce these supernatural beings and have them prove their existence and powers, and tell people what they want.
And don't rant about the Bible being proof of anything.
Watch the Chung Demon flee in panic from straight strong minded atheists who aren't afraid of the real world.
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Condemned and Stricken Flying Rat - 20 Mar 2007 16:51 GMT > Nothing but superstitious ravings from a mental defective.. Let's have a recap of just what the Chung Demon is REALLY about
FR
 Signature Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (# being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates, which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet, then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money upfront in the hope of coming into money but find they have merely bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass of as "being on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as endocrinology, despite making incredibly funddamental blunders in his 'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Mar 2007 17:40 GMT Convicted and Stricken Flying Rat wrote:
> Let's have a recap of just what the Chung Demon is REALLY about > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <hiss sputter hiss hiss> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to provide this opportunity for reminding folks about the official SMC FAQ:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/defe86a029845904? Laus Deo ! ! !
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio: http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1
Kurt Gavin - 20 Mar 2007 21:36 GMT > Convicted and Stricken Flying Rat wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you to provide this opportunity for reminding folks about the official > SMC FAQ: Notice how Mr. Chung doesn't even try to refute the damning summary of information provided about him.
Chung, doesn't it ever occur you to get psychological help?
Stephen Knight - 21 Mar 2007 03:43 GMT >Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling >you to provide this opportunity for reminding folks about the official >SMC FAQ: I knew you were going to say that.
Warlord Steve BAAWA
Pastor Kutchie - 21 Mar 2007 12:07 GMT > Convicted and Stricken Flying Rat wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/defe86a029845904? All thanks and praise belong to ANDREW BEN-HUA CHUNG MD/PhD, for compelling himself to lie yet again about everything.
Kurt Gavin - 20 Mar 2007 21:32 GMT Good summary.
Recommended reading for all those with any curiosity about Mr. Chung.
>> Nothing but superstitious ravings from a mental defective.. > > Let's have a recap of just what the Chung Demon is REALLY about > > FR Free Gift - 20 Mar 2007 21:52 GMT >> Andrew Chung: >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >> Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as >> the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. But, but, but, he is saved and washed by the blood of the Lamb! That makes all the difference! You see (I doubt it), he has a guaranteed future that is everlasting life, wwhich almost no one else in these ngs have! I'm looking forward to the day I can great him at the doorway, as I am much older than Dr. Andrew Chung, but I also have been washed by the blood of the lamb, and my mansion will be nearer his, than yours!
MARANATHA! Brother Chung! Do not let the enemy spoil your joy!
Two articles follow:
1- Propitiation, and 2- Are you going to heaven, enjoy!
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Propitiation!
A man in Texas had the urge for a midnight snack. So he rolled out of bed and walked down the hallway toward the kitchen. Passing the nursery, he noticed his three-month-old son's bassinet toppled on the floor. Racing back into the bedroom, he woke his wife to see if she had taken the baby from the bassinet, but his wife was sound asleep and knew nothing of the matter. Panic filled his heart as he ran down the hall, down the stairs, and into the living room, where, much to his horror and shock, he saw his twelve-foot pet python with a large lump in its center. He knew immediately what happened to his baby. In anger and outrage, he went to the back porch, grabbed a splitting maul, chopped up the snake, and ran out of the front door screaming. He was later committed to a mental institution.
This true story haunts me and is helpful to me in understanding a biblical concept often misunderstood by people who wrestle with theology. You see, although people do not have a problem when we talk about the love of God, the wrath and judgment of God are things with which people struggle. Yet if the man in Texas was justified in smashing that snake, how much more is God justified in dealing with snakelike people who have devoured others mindlessly and heartlessly.
I think of what happened in Somalia. Tens of thousands of babies starved. Why? Because war lords were fighting for territory geographically, jockeying for position politically, and preventing food from reaching kids who were dying needlessly.
I think of what happened in Bosnia Herzegovina-where women were raped and men slaughtered by the thousands, all in the name of ethnic cleansing.
I think of Medford, Oregon, where the school board forbids the distribution of Bibles on school campuses as well as the use of any school buildings to be rented to any church group for any reason. I think, wonder, and ponder how it can be that a society that distributes condoms refuses to allow the distribution of Scripture.
Why does God allow this insanity? Why does He, who sees not only the tragedy of Bosnia and Somalia, but the utter depravity of even the most seemingly together person, put up with a world so bent on self-destruction?
The answer is very simple: Because God made man in His image, He gave him the ability to choose. And when man chose to listen to the hissing of Satan rather than to the Word of God, he unknowingly handed dominion of the planet over to Satan. That's why Jesus called Satan the prince of this world (John 14:30) and why Paul called him the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). In the Garden of Eden, man turned this planet over to Satan. That's why there are diseases and rape, war, death, and sadness on our planet. It's not a matter of God allowing these things. It's a matter of man giving Satan the authority to cause them.
Meanwhile, God looks down from heaven, and, as He was in Noah's day, is filled with righteous indignation (Genesis 6:5-7). Yet even in Noah's day, man found grace in the eyes of the Lord (Genesis 6:8). God looked at Noah, had grace on Noah, and did a work through Noah. So, too, He will again pour out His wrath in the period called the Tribulation.
Until then, however, what's the solution for the very genuine wrath God feels concerning snakelike creatures like you and me? The answer is propitiation. Why such a big word? Because no smaller word would suffice. The Greek word translated "propitiation" is hilasterion, which means "to appease the wrath of." We often say, "God hates the sin but loves the sinner." While that is true, it is at best a shallow understanding because the distinction between sin and sinner is not so easily made. You see, I am not only the baby devoured by the python. I am the python. I am a victim of sin, yes-but I am also its perpetrator.
Sin hurts people. It destroys mankind. It's cruel, vicious, and wrong. And my own sin is no less devastating. Thus, God is understandably filled with righteous indignation, which can only be appeased through propitiation.
The people of Israel, having been delivered from Egypt, were on their way to the land promised to them-a land flowing with milk and honey and wonderful blessings. But en route, they started murmuring and complaining (Numbers 21:5). The sin of complaining led to suffering in verse 6 as the people were bitten by poisonous snakes. Suffering led to sorrow in verse 7. Sorrow led to salvation in verses 8, 9, when those who looked upon the brass serpent were healed. Who was the Brass Serpent? Jesus (John 3:14-16).
Propitiation is God wielding a splitting maul upon the snake, the Brass Serpent, Jesus Christ-instead of upon me. Am I calling Jesus Christ the snake? Yes, because He who knew no sin became sin for us (2 Corinthians 5:21) in order that the wrath of the Father over the sin of the world would be appeased. Instead of smashing a world that is snakelike and bestial, He turned to His innocent Son and laid upon Him the iniquity of us all.
Jesus understood this. That's why in the Garden of Gethsemane, He prayed with such intensity, "Father, if possible, don't let Me drink of this cup" (see Matthew 26:39). Socrates took the cup of hemlock and drank it bravely. Was Jesus less than Socrates? No. It wasn't physical death Jesus feared; it was the wrath of His Father that caused Him to break out in a bloody sweat (Luke 22:44). Jesus knew what it meant to be the propitiation, the satisfaction, the appeasement of wrath.
"The Father pouring out His anger upon His innocent Son is a form of child abuse," you say. Wait a minute. What is the name of the Son? Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6). You see, God Himself became a Man and absorbed the wrath of His own indignation. The mystery of the Trinity, the mystery of propitiation is that God actually wielded the splitting maul upon Himself.
Hilasterion, or "propitiation"-the word we don't hear much today-is used only five times in the entire New Testament: Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2; 1 John 4:10; and Hebrews 9 are four of them. The Hebrews reference, I believe, is a real key to unlocking this understanding, for in describing the mercy seat, the author of Hebrews uses the word hilasterion. The mercy seat, or hilasterion, covered the ark of the covenant. The ark of the covenant contained the law. Therefore, through the mercy seat, God says, "I know you've broken the law. I know you deserve to be consumed because of it. But I'm going to put a lid on it through the sacrifice of My Son. He is the helasmos, the mercy seat, the propitiation. It's not something He gives. It's who He is, for He has come between you and the broken law. The wrath that I should vent on you was instead placed upon My Son, who died in your place."
The fifth use of the word "propitiation" is found in Luke 18. If you feel offended that I would liken you to a baby-eating python, if you are repulsed by a God who would became a Man and slaughter Himself to propitiate His righteous indignation, Luke 18:10-14 is the passage for you. It is a brief vignette, concerning the prayers of a Pharisee and a tax collector. Look at verse 13: "God, be merciful to me a sinner." It begins with "God" and ends with "sinner." The middle phrase, "be merciful"-the verb form of hilasterion-stands between God and sin. Every one of us is in one of two categories. You're either the self-righteous Pharisee, or you're the tax collector, grateful that Jesus is standing between God and your sin.
What does a correct understanding of the concept of propitiation do?
Propitiation blows my mind. Propitiation adds an entirely different dimension to what Paul calls "so great salvation" (Hebrews 2:3). It's not just the Father saying, "I'm going to settle mankind's problem judicially." No, He deals with it personally.
Propitiation warms my heart. That God would love me so much He would actually become the object of His own wrath touches my heart in a profound way.
Propitiation weakens my knees. Considering the righteous wrath of a powerful God makes me realize that sin is serious. The Bible says the beginning of wisdom is to fear God (Proverbs 1:7). And it goes on to say that to fear God is to hate sin (Proverbs 8:13). The concept of propitiation makes me question my own view of sin. How do I react when I see things on the screen or hear unkind words come from my own mouth? If you're knowingly sinning today in what you're doing, or where you're going, I encourage you to think through propitiation.
Propitiation tickles my toes. Jacob was in a place he called Luz, or "separation" After tricking his brother Esau out of his birthright and blessing, he was in the wilderness running for his life. That night, as he laid his head on a rock and tried to sleep, God revealed Himself to him, pouring out a blessing upon him and giving a promise to him. Jacob woke up and said, "Surely I am in the presence of God and I knew it not." And he changed the name of the location from Luz to "Bethel," or "house of God." Then, as we read in Genesis 29:1, Jacob "went on his journey." Translated literally this phrase reads, "Jacob had happy feet."
"I'm a creep. I'm a crook. I'm a criminal," he said, "but the Lord met me, has a plan for me, and is going to travel with me. Now I have happy feet."
So, too, I say, "Oh, Lord, I know I'm a sinner. But because You absorbed the anger that should have been poured out upon me, I leave here today with tickled toes, weakened knees, a warmed heart, and a blown mind!"
May God continue to give us a comprehension of His love through an understanding of propitiation.
In Jesus' Name.
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A Topical Study of Romans 3:23-25
(Romans 3:23-25 NASB)
23 for all ?1??a?have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift ?a?by His grace through ?b?the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as ?a?a ?1?propitiation ?2??b?in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, ?3?because in the ?c?forbearance of God He ?d?passed over the sins previously committed;
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3:25 God set forth Christ Jesus as a propitiation. A propitiation is a means by which justice is satisfied, God's wrath is averted, and mercy can be shown on the basis of an acceptable sacrifice.
Three times in the ?NT? Christ is spoken of as a propitiation. Here in Romans 3:25 we learn that those who put their faith in Christ find mercy by virtue of His shed blood. In 1 John 2:2 Christ is described as the propitiation for our sins, and for those of the whole world. His work is sufficient for the whole world but is only effective for those who put their trust in Him. Finally, in 1 John 4:10, God's love was manifested in sending His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The prayer of the publican in Luke 18:13 was literally "God be propitious to me, the sinner." He was asking God to show mercy to him by not requiring him to pay the penalty of his aggravated guilt.
The word propitiation also occurs in Hebrews 2:17: "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." Here the expression "to make propitiation" means to put away by paying the penalty.
The ?OT? equivalent of the word propitiation is mercy-seat. The mercy-seat was the lid of the ark. On the Day of Atonement the high priest sprinkled the mercy- seat with the blood of a sacrificial victim. By this means errors of the high priest and of the people were atoned for or covered.
When Christ made propitiation for our sins, He went much further. He not only covered them but did away with them completely.
Now Paul tells us in 3:25 that God set Christ forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith. We are not told to put our faith in His blood; Christ Himself is the object of our faith. It is only a resurrected and living Christ Jesus who can save. He is the propitiation. Faith in Him is the condition by which we avail ourselves of the propitiation. His blood is the price that was paid.
The finished work of Christ declares God's righteousness for the remission of sins that are past. This refers to sins committed before the death of Christ. From Adam to Christ, God saved those who put their faith in Him on the basis of whatever revelation He gave them. Abraham, for example, believed God, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness (Gen. 15:6). But how could God do this righteously? A sinless Substitute had not been slain. The blood of a perfect Sacrifice had not been shed. In a word, Christ had not died. The debt had not been paid. God's righteous claims had not been met. How then could God save believing sinners in the OT period?
The answer is that although Christ had not yet died, God knew that He would die, and He saved men on the basis of the still-future work of Christ. Even if ?OT? saints didn't know about Calvary, God knew about it, and He put all the value of Christ's work to their account when they believed God. In a very real sense, ?OT? believers were saved on credit. They were saved on the basis of a price still to be paid. They looked forward to Calvary; we look back to it.
That is what Paul means when he says that the propitiation of Christ declares God's righteousness because He had passed over the sins that were previously committed. He is not speaking, as some wrongly think, of sins which an individual person has committed before his conversion. This might suggest that the work of Christ took care of sins before the new birth, but that a man is on his own after that. No, he is dealing with the seeming leniency of God in apparently overlooking the sins of those who were saved before the cross. It might seem that God excused those sins or pretended not to see them. Not so, says Paul. The Lord knew that Christ would make full expiation, and so He saved men on that basis.
So the ?OT? period was a time of the forbearance of God. For at least 4000 years He held back His judgment on sin. Then in the fullness of time He sent His Son to be the Sin-bearer. When the Lord Jesus took our sins upon Himself, God unleashed the full fury of His righteous, holy wrath on the Son of His love.
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[1]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (894). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
1 Or sinned a Rom 3:9 a Rom 4:4f, 16; Eph 2:8 b 1 Cor 1:30; Eph 1:7; Col 1:14; Heb 9:15 a 1 John 2:2; 4:10 1 Or a propitiatory sacrifice 2 Or by b 1 Cor 5:7; Heb 9:14, 28; 1 Pet 1:19; Rev 1:5 3 Lit because of the passing over of the sins previously committed in the forbearance of God c Rom 2:4 d Acts 14:16; 17:30
[2]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ro 3:23). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
NT New Testament OT Old Testament
[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and New Testaments (Ro 3:25). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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If you've broken even just one law one time, that makes you a lawbreaker. If you will listen, your own conscience will tell you that you are certainly a law breaker. See: Am I good enough for heaven?
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"I believe in God" (10%) Perhaps you think that belief in God is good enough to get you to heaven. But consider this: since Satan and his demons believe that God is real, does that mean they too will be in heaven? (James 2:19) See also Romans 1:20.
"I've done the best I could" (15%) Maybe you have tried to do the right thing for the most part. You've made some mistakes, and if God weighs your good deeds vs. your bad deeds, you hope you will come out ok. Again, we have the problem that if you have only sinned once in your life, you've still broken God's law and are a lawbreaker. God sees our righteousness as "filthy rags". When we think of God's standard of holiness, we don't even come close! (See >> How good is good enough?) We have all broken God's laws and stand guilty before a holy God.
Just as a human judge must enforce justice and punish evildoers, God, who is completely just, holy and righteous, must also punish sin.
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When this life is over, we will each stand before God on Judgment Day and give an account for our life. No matter how good we tried to be, our best efforts will all be as "filthy rags" in God's sight, that is, if the sin separating us from God has not been removed.
God, who is holy and just, and therefore must punish sin, is also loving and merciful and does not want to punish us.
To solve this problem, God sent His only Son Jesus Christ as God incarnate, fully God and fully man, to pay our sin debt for us.
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Father Haskell - 20 Mar 2007 22:25 GMT > But, but, but, he is saved and washed by the blood of the Lamb! I'll bet he smells ripe after a week.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Mar 2007 22:48 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote: > > >> Andrew Chung:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ffa8795f6e2fd25?
> >> <hiss sputter hiss hiss> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > much older than Dr. Andrew Chung, but I also have been washed by > the blood of the Lamb, and my mansion will be nearer his, than yours! Laus Deo ! ! !
> MARANATHA! Brother Chung! Do not let the enemy spoil your joy! May GOD rebuke satan.
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