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kevinr0461@yahoo.com - 20 Jan 2007 23:31 GMT
Hi.

I'm taking an MAOI for depression and earlier on around 11:00AM EST
today had a hypertensive reaction after eating a large pasta meal that
contained lot of white cheese that I was told was mozarella by the
cook, but turned out not to be.  Mozarella is safe, but some other
cheeses are not.

I was away from home but we had a blood pressure monitor that I used
after I started to feel a slight throbbing feeling in my head. My blood
pressure spiked for up to 45 minutes or so.  I kept checking my bp.  It
peaked for up to 10 minutes at around 205/125 or so, and was at about
180  over 115 or so for at least twenty minutes.  Someone was taking me
to the hospital over an hour away when my blood pressure suddenly began
to fall back down to my typical 110/65 or so, and we turned around.

I know I should have continued to the hospital anyway, but didn't.  I'm
just wondering now if the short-lived hypertension might have damaged
blood vessels, etc.  Is there some medical tests or anything I need to
have done now?

Thanks.
Jason Johnson - 21 Jan 2007 00:17 GMT
Hi.

I'm taking an MAOI for depression and earlier on around 11:00AM EST
today had a hypertensive reaction after eating a large pasta meal that
contained lot of white cheese that I was told was mozarella by the
cook, but turned out not to be.  Mozarella is safe, but some other
cheeses are not.

I was away from home but we had a blood pressure monitor that I used
after I started to feel a slight throbbing feeling in my head. My blood
pressure spiked for up to 45 minutes or so.  I kept checking my bp.  It
peaked for up to 10 minutes at around 205/125 or so, and was at about
180  over 115 or so for at least twenty minutes.  Someone was taking me
to the hospital over an hour away when my blood pressure suddenly began
to fall back down to my typical 110/65 or so, and we turned around.

I know I should have continued to the hospital anyway, but didn't.  I'm
just wondering now if the short-lived hypertension might have damaged
blood vessels, etc.  Is there some medical tests or anything I need to
have done now?

Thanks.

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Hello,
I suggest that you visit your doctor and request a stress test. I had a
stress test last year. The stress test is usually done by a cardiologist
with special computer controlled testing equipment. The entire test takes
about one hour. After the test is concluded, the cardiologist will tell
you whether or not you have heart problems. I suggest that you consider
not eating any high fat meals on you may have the same problem that you
mentioned in your post.
Jason
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David Rind - 21 Jan 2007 01:50 GMT
>  Hi.
>  
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> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay, you need to understand that Jason is not a doctor, and did not
understand your question at all, which is why his answer makes no sense.

It's unlikely that there was any particular damage caused by the brief
hypertension, however there's no particular test that could answer the
question definitively, and probably no particular testing that is
indicated at this point. You should, however, let your doctors know
about this, since aspects of your medical history might alter that
general answer.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jan 2007 02:38 GMT
> >  Hi.
> >
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> about this, since aspects of your medical history might alter that
> general answer.

Would add that perhaps consideration should be given to change the MAO
inhibitor to a more forgiving class of antidepressants in light of the
AE that has happened.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
David Rind - 21 Jan 2007 13:07 GMT
> Would add that perhaps consideration should be given to change the MAO
> inhibitor to a more forgiving class of antidepressants in light of the
> AE that has happened.

I debated saying that as well, but decided that if someone is on an MAOI
these days, it's probably because all safer medications have failed to
work. Dr. Chung is clearly correct, though, that if there are other
options it might make sense to explore them....

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Jan 2007 14:35 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
>
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> these days, it's probably because all safer medications have failed to
> work.

Sometimes it is a holdover from the philosophy:

"If it is not broke, don't try to fix it."

> Dr. Chung is clearly correct, though, that if there are other
> options it might make sense to explore them....

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for your kind words
and continued participation here in SMC, Dr. Rind.

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Jason Johnson - 21 Jan 2007 03:02 GMT
Jason Johnson wrote:
> In article <1169335875.330485.288280@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
> kevinr0461@yahoo.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay, you need to understand that Jason is not a doctor, and did not
understand your question at all, which is why his answer makes no sense.

It's unlikely that there was any particular damage caused by the brief
hypertension, however there's no particular test that could answer the
question definitively, and probably no particular testing that is
indicated at this point. You should, however, let your doctors know
about this, since aspects of your medical history might alter that
general answer.

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David is correct--I am not a doctor. David is correct in regard to
everything else that he wrote. The main reason that I suggested the stress
test was because it's a great method of finding out whether or not your
heart is working normally. If you don't want to know whether or not your
heart is working normally, you should not request a stress test. The
decision is up to you.
Jason
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David Rind - 21 Jan 2007 13:05 GMT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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> Jason
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A stress test is not a great method of finding out if your heart is
working normally. It is primarily a test for ischemic heart disease, and
has relatively poor sensitivity and specificity. If people who are very
unlikely to have CHD (like most people) have a "positive" stress test,
they are still more likely than not to not have CHD.

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David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu

Derek F - 21 Jan 2007 20:03 GMT
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
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> unlikely to have CHD (like most people) have a "positive" stress test,
> they are still more likely than not to not have CHD.

After having some chest pain in 1993 I had a stress test and was told that I
had angina and ischemic heart disease. I did.not believe it nor did my GP.
In 2000 I was diagnosed with hypertension. Another episode of chest pain in
2002 followed by another positive stress test.  I then had an angiogram that
was clear. Why, I asked the cardiologist. False positive he replied. And
1993 ?
I asked. Double false positive he replied.
Derek.
Ron - 22 Jan 2007 13:11 GMT
As a registered mental health nurse, of 30 years experience, I would advise
you to seek a second opinion about taking a different class of
antidepressant to the MAOI's. The MAOI's are very rarely ever used for some
time now, especially because of the potential severe side effects.

God bless.

Ron

> Hi.
>
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>
> Thanks.
 
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