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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / November 2006both ct scan and thallium stress test?
My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason for the tests is that my brother, 3 yrs older than me at 58, recently had a heart attack and subsequently had triple bypass surgery. It seems to me that the CT scan would give a better answer about possible calcification and would eliminate the need for the stress test. I'm trying to keep costs down while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does anyone know if both tests really are necessary? thanks. Michael > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > while still getting an accurate picture of my heart. Does anyone know if > both tests really are necessary? Your cardiologist knows whereas others who don't know your history and have not examined you, would be guessing. My guess: If your thallium stress test is normal, this would obviate the need for the cardiac CT scan because even if the latter were to show blockages, the former would suggest that there are enough collaterals to meet perfusion demands. > thanks. You are welcome. All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. May GOD continue to help you with your needs, near Michael whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf? > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf? About stress tests, I have some confusions:- 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions? 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these tests? > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > 1. Does these tell only about arteries conditions? No. They tell the cardiologists whether the symptoms match up with myocardial ischemia. > 2. Can there be some other reasons(pH, lactic acidosis, breathing > abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc.) which may show > false abnormal results interpreting arteries disorders by these tests? This is not clinically seen. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf? > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > This is not clinically seen. How a person with pH, lactic acidosis, breathing abnormalities, electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing stress? Hoe a cardilogist differenciate between expressions by these symptoms and by real trouble? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf? > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > electrolytic imbalance, anemia etc can express his symptoms on doing > stress? By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU). > Hoe a cardilogist differenciate between expressions by these > symptoms and by real trouble? By using the abilities given to him/her by GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love.asp May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > By dying in the intensive care unit (ICU). There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need not necessary will die? > > Hoe a cardilogist differenciate between expressions by these > > symptoms and by real trouble? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need >not necessary will die? Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures, should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world.  Signaturerukbat at optonline dot net "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts (random sig, produced by SigChanger) This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/ > >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get > >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure > aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world. Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything. > -- > rukbat at optonline dot net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > This signature was made by SigChanger. > You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/ > > >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get > > >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything. Why not? After all, they've ignored us (the *human* us) for years.. -Panama Floyd, Atl. aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA! EAC Martian Commander Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06 "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next." -Mark Twain Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html >> >There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. One can get >> >acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything. Since there's no proof of any such thing, we certainly can. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 >> Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces >> medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth >> to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice >> of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures, >> should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure >> aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world. >Still, we can't ignore spritual/energetic involvements in everything. YOUR spirit affecting you, yes. *A* spirit doing something? There's never been the slightest shred of objective evidence of anything spiritual - it's totally subjective. Signaturerukbat at optonline dot net "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its side." - Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987 (random sig, produced by SigChanger) >Andrew is a "theocologist" - he believes that only his god produces >medical cures. Anyone foolish enough to depend on a non-existent myth >to cure him of a medical problem, or foolish enough to take the advice >of someone who accepts the myth as a valid means of medical cures, >should avail himself of the nearest means of suicide - because we sure >aren't currently suffering from a LACK of fools in this world. Or a lack of fools who endlessly respond to those who they claim are foolish, eh Allie? PLONK >> > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium >> > > > > > stress test and [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need > not necessary will die? Jeeze, get a room! SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 > > > > > > > My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and > > > > > > > a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > There can be some sub-clinical or sub-fatal conditions. Not clinically seen. > One can get > acidity, alkalinity, breathing troubles, weaknesses or otherwise, need > not necessary will die? GOD's will be done and not our wills: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee? Laus Deo ! May HE continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: >My cardiologist has recommended that I have both a thallium stress test and >a CT scan of the heart, to rule out any heart problems for me. The reason [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Michael The ct scan shows only calcified plaque. The thallium test can detect uncalcified (and probably more dangerous) plaque. I think that sometimes the ct is done first. if it is really clear, there may be little probability of major plaque buildup that the thallium would detect. The combination of tests definitely gives a better picture than either alone. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA The thallium will detect a reduction of flow and is a functional test (it is reporting reduction in flow and does not really distinguish vulnerable from non vulnerable plaque). Only IVUS will report vulnerable plaque. Unfortunately, you need the reduction in flow to be quite significant for it to show up in the thalium stress test. The cardiologist is proposing a test that could detect low levels of calcified plaque and a functional test that would be sensitive to significant blockage. If you have led anywhere close to a normal American life it is a fairly good bet that you have some degree of coronary artery disease (and will score positive on the calcium scoring). As Jim pointed out, the calcified plaque is generally more likely to cause angina and physical discomfort rather than sudden death or MI which vulnerable soft non-calcified plaque will cause. At the current moment in time, none of the non-invasive tests are all that great. They are simply so so screening tools that will stratify your risk for more definitive but unfortunately considerably more expensive and risky invasive tests. You simply have to accept that. Given the fact that the non invasive diagnostics are crappy, I would be biased towards medical intervention at the smallest anomaly (bad lipids, blood pressure etc.). Consider popping a baby asprin if you are not already doing it and it is not contraindicated for you based on any other medications you are taking. Roland Joe Doe <None@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in part: >> "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >Roland I agree completely. I also think that the crux of the issue is: "Given the fact that the non invasive diagnostics are crappy, I would be biased towards medical intervention at the smallest anomaly (bad lipids, blood pressure etc.)." Atherosclerosis is so widespread in my family, that both my internist and I felt that a Ca score of 216 at age 57, even though followed by a normal thallium stress test, was good enough reason to adopt several interventions: low-dose aspirin, tighter control of blood pressure, weight loss back to my age 21 weight, a gym membership (and follow-through!), several changes to my diet, plus 10 mg of Lipitor. Given *my* situation, I might have opted for more invasive testing before taking on the Lipitor, but I decided not to. It's been six years now. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Roland How echo test or holter test can support these conditions? > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > How echo test or holter test can support these conditions? The latter can record evidence of inducible ischemia. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > The latter can record evidence of inducible ischemia. What echo test tells? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > What echo test tells? The structure and function of the heart when the body is at rest. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > The structure and function of the heart when the body is at rest. How this test unable to detect decreased movement of blood? What does it mean in echo test, % working of heart? What is the differene between just hardening of arteries and their narrowing? Whether hardening indicate only calcification whereas narrowing fatty substances deposition? How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis etc. in arteries? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the strange glassblower who fills dead cowsæ bowels with molten glass ready for blowing, kowtowed: > My computer isn't working. Does anyone know why? > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > The structure and function of the heart when the body is at rest. > How this test unable to detect decreased movement of blood? It can when doppler is added. > What does > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? You are probably referring to the ejection fraction. > What is the differene between just hardening of arteries and their > narrowing? No difference. > Whether hardening indicate only calcification whereas > narrowing fatty substances deposition? No difference. > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > etc. in arteries? Calcification happens with the aging of the atheromatous plaque. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > It can when doppler is added. Which non-invasive test is best to know hardening and narrowing of arteries? > > What does > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No difference. I feel hardening and narrowing are two conditions? Probably, former is calcification and 2nd is calificationnf fatty substance oriented? > > Whether hardening indicate only calcification whereas > > narrowing fatty substances deposition? > > No difference. Can calcification and fatty plaque develop independently? > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > etc. in arteries? > > Calcification happens with the aging of the atheromatous plaque. Do you mean first fatty substances are deposited and than calcification occurs? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the sunken guitarist, hiccupped: > f.cking DONKEY HUMPER Which non-invasive test is best to f.cking DITCH > SLUT know hardening and narrowing of f.cking INNARDS arteries? WEE > c.nt-STICKER QUIM DONKEY DICK SPUNK ANUS MUFF FELCH BEAVER STAB CUM > f.cking CLOD CORNSTALK COWBOY I feel hardening and narrowing are > f.cking ASS-LICKING two conditions? Probably, former is calcification > f.cking SON OF A BITCH and 2nd is calificationnf fatty substance > f.cking BOOBS STOMACH oriented? CUNNILINGUS CUM c.nt PUMPER > CUNNY-CATCHER GASH VAGINA motherf..ker SPUNK BITCH > f.cking BROWNEYE BLAME IT ON THE NIGGERS CLIT TICKLER Can > calcification and fatty f.cking ASS-GUNNER TOWN-TRAMP plaque develop > independently? GOLDEN SHOWER BALLS DISCHARGE BOW-LEGGED SWAMP DONKEY > bl.wj.b ANUS JACKASS SHITE w.nk BUM > f.cking ARSE-THRASHER SPEW Do you mean first fatty f.cking f.ck UP > substances are deposited and than f.cking f.cking-STICK BUTTOCK > calcification occurs? CUM SLINGER ARSE FELLATIO c.nt SCRAPER c.nt > SCRUBBER HELL Kumar <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com>, the saddle-bagged carver, yammered: > I was stupid enough to send rude and inappropriate instant messages > about my boss, to my boss. Is there a recall option in instant > messenger? > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Which non-invasive test is best to know hardening and narrowing of > arteries? History and physical examination taken by a cardiologist. > > > What does > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I feel hardening and narrowing are two conditions? No. > Probably, former is > calcification and 2nd is calificationnf fatty substance oriented? No. > > > Whether hardening indicate only calcification whereas > > > narrowing fatty substances deposition? > > > > No difference. > Can calcification and fatty plaque develop independently? Yes. However, the current understanding is that all atheromatous plaques will calcify with the passage of time. > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do you mean first fatty substances are deposited and than calcification > occurs? No. First there is vascular inflammation with lipid peroxidation resulting in the accumulation of oxidized lipoproteins that further promote vascular inflammation as there is infiltration of macrophages that ingest the oxidized lipids becoming the precursor foam cells that with time will die from being overburdened with the oxidized lipids they have ingested. The calcification happens because of dead and dying cells that are the consequence of the inflammation. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > History and physical examination taken by a cardiologist. How much ECG is reliable to know heart problems? > > > > What does > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Yes. However, the current understanding is that all atheromatous > plaques will calcify with the passage of time. In few people only hardening of arteries occur but never narrowing? > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > they have ingested. The calcification happens because of dead and > dying cells that are the consequence of the inflammation. Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing without hardening is possible? If yes, what only hardening will result? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > How much ECG is reliable to know heart problems? Yes for a discerning cardiologist. > > > > > What does > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > In few people only hardening of arteries occur but never narrowing? Not clinically seen. > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > without hardening is possible? Not clinically seen. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Yes for a discerning cardiologist. How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > > > What does > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Not clinically seen. You may consider it as hardening but never blocking? > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > they have ingested. The calcification happens because of dead and > > > dying cells that are the consequence of the inflammation. Thanks. Whether unsaturated fats intake trigger more vascular inflammation, lipid peroxidation and free radical activities than saturated fats? Whether saturated fats esp. butter and pure ghee causes more bile secretion that unstaturated fats? > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > > without hardening is possible? > > Not clinically seen. What about only hardening, some narrowing but never blocking? How hardening, some narrowing and partially blocking effect blood presuure individually and alter normal stress test? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > > > Yes for a discerning cardiologist. > How much to common cardilologistss? Highly variable. > > > > > > > What does > > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Not clinically seen. > You may consider it as hardening but never blocking? Not clinically seen. > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > they have ingested. The calcification happens because of dead and > > > > dying cells that are the consequence of the inflammation. > Thanks. You are welcome. All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp Fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought > Whether unsaturated fats intake trigger more vascular inflammation, > lipid peroxidation and free radical activities than saturated fats? The small difference does not hold a candle to the vascular inflammation coming from cytokines from VAT. > Whether saturated fats esp. butter and pure ghee causes more bile > secretion that unstaturated fats? Not clinically appreciated. > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > > > without hardening is possible? > > > > Not clinically seen. > What about only hardening, some narrowing but never blocking? Early but not clinically seen late. > How hardening, some narrowing and partially blocking effect blood > presuure individually and alter normal stress test? The pathogenesis of atherosclerosis is non-negotiable. It is wiser to simply lose the VAT than to argue with GOD about this. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Highly variable. Thanks. > > > > > > > > What does > > > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Not clinically seen. Even after many years of diabetics, it was evident in case of my two close relatives. Probably, diabetes2 without lipid abnormality may be causing hardening not blocking? Probably, never hypertensive or some hypotensive may be related. > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Not clinically appreciated. Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory respnses by PUFAs? > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > > > > without hardening is possible? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It is wiser to simply lose the VAT than to argue with GOD about this. Whatever foods those result in gas, blotting of abdomen, irritable bowl or indigestion, can mean not suited to us and may also result into some inflammatory responses? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > > > Highly variable. > Thanks. Thanks be to GOD. > > > > > > > > > What does > > > > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > causing hardening not blocking? Probably, never hypertensive or some > hypotensive may be related. Where there is hardening, there is atherosclerosis with atheromatous plaqueing. > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > respnses by PUFAs? Pales in comparison with the harm caused by inflammatory cytokines from VAT. > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > > > > > without hardening is possible? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > It is wiser to simply lose the VAT than to argue with GOD about this. > Whatever foods those result in gas, blotting of abdomen, irritable bowl > or indigestion, can mean not suited to us and may also result into some > inflammatory responses? Not clinically seen. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > Highly variable. > > > Thanks. > > Thanks be to GOD. GOD is said to be omnipresent. Whether conventional and CAMs treatments are as per GOD's design or by free will? > > > > > > > > > > What does > > > > > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are probably referring to the ejection fraction. Whether echo with dropeler test is beter test for evaulating heat condition? Does it help to evaulate CV problems? > > > > > > > > > > What is the differene between just hardening of arteries and their > > > > > > > > > > narrowing? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Where there is hardening, there is atherosclerosis with atheromatous > plaqueing. Can there be possibilty that some diabetic conditions can result into just hardening but never blocking? Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on narrowing and obstructtions of Cor. arteries? > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > Not clinically appreciated. Whether bile is hygroscopic? Which type of fat is related to comparatively more flow of bile from liver & secretion in intestines? > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > respnses by PUFAs? > > Pales in comparison with the harm caused by inflammatory cytokines from > VAT. Sorry it is not clear to me. Means, lesser harms in comparison with the harm caused by inflammatory cytokines from VAT? > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only narrowing > > > > > > without hardening is possible? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Not clinically seen. Whether gas, blotting of abdomen, irritable bowl or indigestion on intake of any food, can mean that food not reqired by body? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > GOD is said to be omnipresent. HE is the great "I AM." > Whether conventional and CAMs treatments are as per GOD's design or by > free will? GOD's will be done and not our will. > > > > > > > > > > > What does > > > > > > > > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Whether echo with dropeler test is beter test for evaulating heat > condition? Does it help to evaulate CV problems? Depends on the questions being asked by the cardiologist. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the differene between just hardening of arteries and their > > > > > > > > > > > narrowing? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Can there be possibilty that some diabetic conditions can result into > just hardening but never blocking? Not clinically seen. > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on narrowing and > obstructtions of Cor. arteries? New collateral arteries do not form when they are not needed. > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Whether bile is hygroscopic? It is not. > Which type of fat is related to comparatively more flow of bile from > liver & secretion in intestines? Clinically does not seem to make a difference. > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sorry it is not clear to me. Means, lesser harms in comparison with the > harm caused by inflammatory cytokines from VAT? Much less. > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Not clinically seen. > Whether gas, blotting of abdomen, irritable bowl or indigestion on > intake of any food, can mean that food not reqired by body? More likely to happen when there is overeating. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > New collateral arteries do not form when they are not needed. When needed, say in case of narrowing or obstrucion of blood flow? Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in their size? > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Clinically does not seem to make a difference. Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact our health in any way? > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Much less. Whether unstaturated fats do not cause VAT formation? Which out of saturated and unsaturated causes more VAT? > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > More likely to happen when there is overeating. Yes but I think it can also happen due to some disorder? What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow from liver or gall bladder? Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on different exposures & abnormilities? Whether low gastric acid or excess bile is the reason to absorbing more fats & IBS? > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > When needed, say in case of narrowing or obstrucion of blood flow? Correct. > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in > their size? Collateral arteries are the non-invasive means of increasing blood flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact > our health in any way? Not clinically seen. > > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Whether unstaturated fats do not cause VAT formation? Which out of > saturated and unsaturated causes more VAT? It is overeating that causes VAT formation. > > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Yes but I think it can also happen due to some disorder? Instead of guessing it would be wiser to inform your doctor(s) about your symptoms. > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow from liver or > gall bladder? Still wiser to let your doctor(s) figure this out for you. > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > different exposures & abnormilities? Still wiser to let your doctor(s) figuer this out for you. > Whether low gastric acid or excess bile is the reason to absorbing more > fats & IBS? Not clinically seen. > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Correct. How EECP can help in forming new collateral arteries or increase in size? On the contrary it may discourage it? > > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in > > their size? > > Collateral arteries are the non-invasive means of increasing blood > flow. Yes, but Collateral arteries are formed due to decrease in blood flow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Not clinically seen. Is it true that some saturated fats travel in circulation after absorption directly whereas most other via lymph system route? > > > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It is overeating that causes VAT formation. To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and unsaturated fats for either their storing capacity or free radicle/oxidative stress causing capacity? > > > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Still wiser to let your doctor(s) figure this out for you. I don't have such abnormilty but want to understand, one reson why ancient systems gave so much importance to bile? > > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > > different exposures & abnormilities? > > Still wiser to let your doctor(s) figuer this out for you. As above? > > Whether low gastric acid or excess bile is the reason to absorbing more > > fats & IBS? > > Not clinically seen. What physiological effects, variations in atmospheric temperature & moisture/humidity to which we are exposed can cause? Can high temp. cause somewhat vasodilating and high humidity incread BP or vasoconstricting effects, low temp. and low humidity opposite? > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > snip> > > > How much to common cardilologistss? > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > How EECP can help in forming new collateral arteries or increase in > size? On the contrary it may discourage it? It is possible that EECP may be helping to mobilize stem cells to form these new vessels. > > > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > > > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in > > > their size? > > > > Collateral arteries are the non-invasive means of increasing blood > > flow. > Yes, but Collateral arteries are formed due to decrease in blood flow? They are formed where there is need, LORD willing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > Not clinically seen. > Is it true that some saturated fats travel in circulation after > absorption directly whereas most other via lymph system route? Clinical importance not established. > > > > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > It is overeating that causes VAT formation. > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and unsaturated fats > for either their storing capacity or free radicle/oxidative stress > causing capacity? It is wiser to focus on ridding the VAT. > > > > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > > > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I don't have such abnormilty but want to understand, one reson why > ancient systems gave so much importance to bile? This is what they could see with their eyes when they disembowelled people. > > > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > > > different exposures & abnormilities? > > > > Still wiser to let your doctor(s) figure this out for you. > > As above? Yes. > > > Whether low gastric acid or excess bile is the reason to absorbing more > > > fats & IBS? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > cause somewhat vasodilating and high humidity incread BP or > vasoconstricting effects, low temp. and low humidity opposite? These effects are not clinically meaningful. > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on narrowing and > > > > > > obstructtions of Cor. arteries? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It is possible that EECP may be helping to mobilize stem cells to form > these new vessels. How? When blood supply is improved, why trigger to new vessels will be needed? > > > > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > > > > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They are formed where there is need, LORD willing. What is stumuli to them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Clinical importance not established. Can we consider such effects as effect of free fatty acids? > > > > > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > > > It is overeating that causes VAT formation. To person with normal health? > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and unsaturated fats > > for either their storing capacity or free radicle/oxidative stress > > causing capacity? > > It is wiser to focus on ridding the VAT. Just for understanding purpose. I think, althought all type of natural foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely what may benefit on becoming defficient. But we can eat bit more with some other manipulation, right food, excercise, improving lifestyle and live stress free etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > > > > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > This is what they could see with their eyes when they disembowelled > people. That is measuring/understanding the imbalance. But what can be the imbalances and disorders related to these? > > > > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > > > > different exposures & abnormilities? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > These effects are not clinically meaningful. Can taking sauna or steam bath attract water from body benefitting to those with cells swellings, edema etc? Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & muscles streangth? > > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > How? There are stem cells residing in the arteries of the legs. > When blood supply is improved, why trigger to new vessels will be > needed? The improvement in myocardial perfusion is transient and achieved by raising pressures during diastole. The obstructions remain present during EECP and so the need for collateral vessels will be apparent to the possible relocalization of stem cells from the leg arteries to the coronaries. > > > > > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > > > > > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What is stumuli to them? The presence of the obstructive atheroclerotic coronary lesions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Can we consider such effects as effect of free fatty acids? Lack of clinical importance is not an effect. > > > > > > > > > Whether unstaturated fats cause harms as increasing of inflammatory > > > > > > > > > respnses by PUFAs? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > To person with normal health? To anyone. > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and unsaturated fats > > > for either their storing capacity or free radicle/oxidative stress [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just for understanding purpose. For benefit. > I think, althought all type of natural > foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely > what may benefit on becoming defficient. But we can eat bit more with > some other manipulation, right food, excercise, improving lifestyle and > live stress free etc.? Overeating is invariably harmful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can only hardening of arteries without narrowing or only > > > > > > > narrowing [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > That is measuring/understanding the imbalance. But what can be the > imbalances and disorders related to these? None clinically seen. > > > > > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > > > > > different exposures & abnormilities? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > These effects are not clinically meaningful. > Can taking sauna or steam bath attract water from body benefitting to > those with cells swellings, edema etc? Not clinically seen. > Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & > muscles streangth? Not in any clinically meaningful way. > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > the possible relocalization of stem cells from the leg arteries to the > coronaries. Will it also not happen without EECP? > > > > > > Whether manipulating increase in blood flow by invasive or non-invasive > > > > > > means discourage forming of collateral arteries and also decrease in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The presence of the obstructive atheroclerotic coronary lesions Can we also consider it as "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" ? > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lack of clinical importance is not an effect. In what form, abosrbed fatty acids part in circulating or stored triglycerides exists in body? Its chain and bond still remain same as absorbed or processed and changed to different forms prior to their oxidation and use for energy? snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and unsaturated fats > > > > for either their storing capacity or free radicle/oxidative stress > > > > causing capacity? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > For benefit. Yes, but I meant which out of Saturated(esp. milk fat) and unsaturated is more beneficial to diabetic2 without abnormal lipid profile? Few thought that milkfat causes more bile secretion in intestine and more of its excretion, so may cause usage and recirculation of cholesterols and their control? Is it right? > > I think, althought all type of natural > > foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Overeating is invariably harmful. Optimal eating can also vary in different people depending on many factors? snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow from liver or > > > > > > gall bladder? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > None clinically seen. How more or less secretion of bile and more or less of its concentration can impact health?> > > > > > Whether amount, composition and reabsorption of bile changes on > > > > > > different exposures & abnormilities? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Not clinically seen. Can these effect oedma, cell's/intimal swellings? How sauna and steam bath differ on health impact? > > Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & > > muscles streangth? > > Not in any clinically meaningful way. What make different people to prefer either hot or cold bath in same environment? Different family member do prefer either hot or cold bath at same time? > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > The presence of the obstructive atheroclerotic coronary lesions > Can we also consider it as "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" ? That would be downstream of where the collaterals will need to start forming. > > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Lack of clinical importance is not an effect. > In what form, abosrbed fatty acids part in circulating or stored > triglycerides exists in body? Its chain and bond still remain same as > absorbed or processed and changed to different forms prior to their > oxidation and use for energy? As lipoprotein particles. > snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and > unsaturated fats [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > of its excretion, so may cause usage and recirculation of cholesterols > and their control? Is it right? It remains wise to focus on ridding the VAT. > > > I think, althought all type of natural > > > foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Optimal eating can also vary in different people depending on many > factors? Only the amount matters. > snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow > from liver or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > How more or less secretion of bile and more or less of its > concentration can impact health? The secretion of bile is not involved in the development and persistence of type-2 diabetes. > > > > > > Whether amount, composition > and reabsorption of bile changes on [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Not clinically seen. > Can these effect oedma, cell's/intimal swellings? Not clinically seen. > How sauna and steam bath differ on health impact? Not clinically relevant. > > > Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & > > > muscles streangth? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What make different people to prefer either hot or cold bath in same > environment? That is the way GOD made them. > Different family member do prefer either hot or cold bath > at same time? That is up to GOD. > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > > > The presence of the obstructive atheroclerotic coronary lesions I think new Collateral arteries can be from upstream to downstream? > > Can we also consider it as "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" ? > > That would be downstream of where the collaterals will need to start > forming. Will "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" be not due to upstream or/and downstream reasons? > > > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > As lipoprotein particles. Lipid profile also interpret triglygirides? Which type of chain is there in fatty acid part of triglyceride present in blood or stored? > > snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and > > unsaturated fats [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > It remains wise to focus on ridding the VAT. Is it wise to take oils/foods with no cholesterol? Can cholesterol in fats be a reson to stimulate more secretion of bile in intestines? > > > > I think, althought all type of natural > > > > foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Only the amount matters. Bit inconvenient/difficult but Can we eat more but still optimal by manipulating specific foods? > > snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow > > from liver or [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The secretion of bile is not involved in the development and > persistence of type-2 diabetes. It can effect fats absorption, more fats may be a reason to getting IR ? > > > > > > > Whether amount, composition > > and reabsorption of bile changes on [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Not clinically seen. > > How sauna and steam bath differ on health impact? > > Not clinically relevant. Whether Prespitation from these,can benefit by removing water from cells if abnormal due to hypotonic environment out of different cells? Or, can such prespiration reverse hypotonicy? > > > > Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & > > > > muscles streangth? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That is the way GOD made them. Can't such bathing preferance be due to blood flow or vascular tone variations? > > Different family member do prefer either hot or cold bath > > at same time? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > > > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > I think new Collateral arteries can be from upstream to downstream? There is slowing of blood flow upstream of the obstructive lesion. > > > Can we also consider it as "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" ? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Will "decreased supply of nutrients/O2" be not due to upstream or/and > downstream reasons? This will be downstream. > > > > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Lipid profile also interpret triglygirides? Which type of chain is > there in fatty acid part of triglyceride present in blood or stored? VLDL. > > > snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and > > > unsaturated fats [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > It remains wise to focus on ridding the VAT. > Is it wise to take oils/foods with no cholesterol? Not as wise as eating less. > Can cholesterol in fats be a reson to stimulate more secretion of bile > in intestines? Not clinically observed. > > > > > I think, althought all type of natural > > > > > foods to us may be needed as we may not be understanding absolutely [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Bit inconvenient/difficult but Can we eat more but still optimal by > manipulating specific foods? Not difficult for those who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach and have overcome the brainwashing that "hunger is bad." > > > snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow > > > from liver or [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > It can effect fats absorption, more fats may be a reason to getting IR > ? More VAT from overeating is the reason for the IR. > > > > > > > > Whether amount, composition > > > and reabsorption of bile changes on [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > Not clinically relevant. > Whether Prespitation from these,can benefit by removing water from > cells if abnormal due to hypotonic environment out of different cells? > Or, can such prespiration reverse hypotonicy? Still not clinically relevant. > > > > > Whether alternative hot and cold bath at same time improve blood flow & > > > > > muscles streangth? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > That is the way GOD made them. > Can't such bathing preferance be due to blood flow or vascular tone > variations? Not clinically seen. > > > Different family member do prefer either hot or cold bath > > > at same time? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > > > > > > > > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > > > > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > This will be downstream. If there is a slowing of blood flow upstream of the obstructive lesion, what can be the use of collaterals from downstream? > > > > > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > VLDL. Can cholesterols in body be synthesized from fatty acids OR if they need to be directly absorbed in intestines?? > > > > snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and > > > > unsaturated fats [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Not as wise as eating less. snip> > Bit inconvenient/difficult but Can we eat more but still optimal by > > manipulating specific foods? > > Not difficult for those who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach and have > overcome the brainwashing that "hunger is bad." Can decreased blood flow to parts as a result to vasoconstriction or decrease in size and numbers of arteries sypplying to tissues trigger overeating? > > > > snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow > > > > from liver or [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > More VAT from overeating is the reason for the IR. What is the contribution of absorbed fats in forming VAT? > > > > > > > > > Whether amount, composition > > > > and reabsorption of bile changes on [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Still not clinically relevant. Can excessive prespiration express vasodilation whereas excess urine vasoconstriction? > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > snip> > > > > > Whether new arteries by angiogenesis always occur on > > > > > > > narrowing and [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > > This will be downstream. > If there is a slowing of blood flow upstream of the obstructive > lesion, what can be the use of collaterals from downstream? The collaterals will be coming from upstream to supply the deficit downstream. > > > > > > > > > > > Some fats( saturated) are directly travell in circulation whereas other > > > > > > > > > > > via long process through lympatic system? Do such differences impact [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > VLDL. > Can cholesterols in body be synthesized from fatty acids OR if they > need to be directly absorbed in intestines?? Cholesterols can be synthesized de novo from fats, carbohydrates, and protein. > > > > > snip> > > > To compare, whch is more harmful out of saturated and > > > > > unsaturated fats [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Not as wise as eating less. > snip> > Bit inconvenient/difficult but Can we eat more but still > optimal by > > > manipulating specific foods? > > > > Not difficult for those who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach and have > > overcome the brainwashing that "hunger is bad." > Can decreased blood flow to parts as a result to vasoconstriction or > decrease in size and numbers of arteries sypplying to tissues trigger > overeating? Not clinically seen. > > > > > snip> > > > > > What are bile abnormalities other than decreased flow > > > > > from liver or [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > More VAT from overeating is the reason for the IR. > What is the contribution of absorbed fats in forming VAT? When there is no overeating, there is no VAT being formed. > > > > > > > > > > Whether amount, composition > > > > > and reabsorption of bile changes on [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Still not clinically relevant. > Can excessive prespiration express vasodilation whereas excess urine > vasoconstriction? Not clinically seen. May GOD conitnue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >> > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: >> > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >> >> How much ECG is reliable to know heart problems? > Yes for a discerning cardiologist. How ironic. >> > > > > What does >> > > > > it mean in echo test, % working of heart? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Not clinically seen. Illogical. >> > > > > How Calcification is indicated due to cells damages/death, necrosis >> > > > > etc. in arteries? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Not clinically seen. Classic failure to comprehend the point. > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. How ironic. Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, laced with invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument. SignatureCOOSN-266-06-39716 Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion", as designated by Brad Guth "Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from attribution problems?" -- Dr. David Tholen > >> > > > > > > > > > > "mdb" <milo_dhuey@yahoo.com> wrote in part: > >> > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 180 lines] > attribution problems?" > -- Dr. David Tholen I shall be oblized, if you will comment with correct awnsers, if you feel otherwise. |
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