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Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends
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Epidemiologic - 24 Oct 2006 12:14 GMT Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends
Although well known to most obesity researchers and epidemiologist, the public is generally not aware of the true magnitude of the obesity epidemic. At the link below is a classic report by the CDC of the emergence of the obesity epidemic in the United States from the early 1980's to 2004.
http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/obesity-epidemic-us-temporal-trends.html
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Oct 2006 12:53 GMT > Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/obesity-epidemic-us-temporal-trends.html It is not happening just in the United States:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e2324cfd4f2e9981?
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
catskills@monmouth.com - 24 Oct 2006 22:45 GMT > > Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). Wow, this is scary!!! But why??? I know some of the reasons, less exercise, fast food, computers, videos, graying of America but there must be more to this. Do you think is it really all those CARBS?????
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Oct 2006 01:29 GMT > > > Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wow, this is scary!!! But why??? Folks have been and are being brainwashed to fear hunger.
> I know some of the reasons, less > exercise, fast food, computers, videos, graying of America but there > must be more to this. Do you think is it really all those CARBS????? No:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
May GOD help you with your needs, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Hollywood - 25 Oct 2006 16:12 GMT Hiya Dr. Chung.
I've missed you.
I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. I also got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor, a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points.
Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final is the change) Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63 LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54 HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4 TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23
The all important Ratios (same format) Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78 LDL/HDL: 3.75 ---> 3.04 ---> -.71 TriG/HDL: 1.27 ---> 0.95 ---> -.32
And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible, paleolithically inspired level. Oh, and walk more. I just thought you would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do. Or your prayers on my behalf did.
In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to diet is not a diet. If you have forgotten, I posed the following question to you:
"You yourself have said that your approach involves: limiting the intake of food (to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 Omer or less per day).
This limitation is: towards the goal of improving health
>>>>>you have cited many positive effects from following your approach and losing weight.
>>>>>you have claimed amazing weight loss and remarkable maintenance of said weight loss with your approach. For your "approach" to be anything other than a diet, either: the top half (2PD-OMER involves limiting the intake of food to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 OMER per day) Or: The bottom half (the goal of the 2PD-OMER approach is to lose weight or improve health)
Must be untrue.
If both the top half and the bottom half are true, congratulations, you have proved yourself the author of a diet.
If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again.
If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word, as culled from several different dictionaries.
-Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Oct 2006 17:08 GMT > Hiya Dr. Chung. > > I've missed you. Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words.
> I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to maintain your body weight + 24 lbs.
> I also > got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor, > a board certified internist, was fairly impressed. He was expecting a > total reduction of maybe 12, maybe 20 points. That would have probably been the case had there been negligible weight loss.
> Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final > is the change) > Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63 Better but not optimal yet.
> LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54 Better but not optimal yet.
> HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4 Worse but still optimal.
> TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23 Still optimal with negligible change.
> The all important Ratios (same format) > Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And really, all I did was reduce my carbohydrates to a more sensible, > paleolithically inspired level. Suspect that you have had a loss of appetite because of hyperketonemia.
> Oh, and walk more. This likely resulted in depletion of muscle glycogen stores so that there would be more hyperketonemia and thus more appetite suppression.
> I just thought you > would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do. > Or your prayers on my behalf did. The hyperketonemia you likely are experiencing is likely harming you as per our earlier discussions and the opinion of others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d22c04113af2fa5f?
> In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to > diet is not a diet. Already answered. It simply is not.
If the 2PD-OMER Approach were a diet, you would be able to name a diet incompatibility.
For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine it with the Ornish diet.
On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet.
> If you have forgotten, I posed the following > question to you: > > "You yourself have said that your approach involves: > limiting the intake of food (to 2LBs, 1KG or 1 Omer or less per day).
> This limitation is: > towards the goal of improving health [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If both the top half and the bottom half are true, congratulations, you > have proved yourself the author of a diet. The bottom half is not true.
The goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach is to help people learn that there is an optimal amount of food per GOD's design and that when we are obedient to GOD, we will receive the full measure of HIS blessing in everything including our health.
> If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will > concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again. The LORD has made me able. Laus Deo !
> If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your > 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word, > as culled from several different dictionaries. > > -Hollywood, not anticipating an answer of substance. Hopefully, this that the Holy Spirit has guided me to write has not disappointed anyone:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give you time to understand this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Hollywood - 25 Oct 2006 19:39 GMT > > Hiya Dr. Chung. > > > > I've missed you. > > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your kind words. No problem.
> > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat > > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. > > This means that you have been eating less than your body needed to > maintain your body weight + 24 lbs. I dunno about this. I have cut snacking at work, mostly. I eat a lot of nuts instead of chips. I think they are more calorically dense. And heavier. And I have even been seen eating breakfast maybe 3 or four days a week, which is something I never did. Undoubtedly, I may have cranked my metabolism a little so that my bodies needs have increased. I use the stairs a lot more, but I count that as walking. So, perhaps yes, perhaps not as much. I have rarely eaten 2lbs or less in a day. Maybe a couple of the 10 weeks. But certainly not the rule.
> > I also > > got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That would have probably been the case had there been negligible weight > loss. Actually, Dr. Z suggested that, given the 23 lb drop at the time of the blood draw, he expected 12, because the rule as he learned it was 2lbs to every 1 point of total. He said that since mine was so high, we might see a little more, like 20, maybe 25 at the outside. So, perhaps his expectation is different than yours, but since he's seeing me in person and has all my lab results, etc, I'll go with him. Of course, he doesn't have a lot of faith in the LC approach for improving cholesterol. I told him I would try to make a convert out of him.
> > Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final > > is the change) > > Total: 295 ---> 232 ---> -63 > > Better but not optimal yet. Yeah, but it's headed in the right direction. I'm told that these things take time. I'm "goaling" this, just like a weight and BF% goal. Working towards 220 total for the first goal, and somewhere around 160-180 for the longer term goal.
> > LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54 > > Better but not optimal yet. Same deal. As above. See below in the ratio section.
> > HDL: 59 ---> 55 ---> -4 > > Worse but still optimal. Doc said it was pretty much the same. I am told that since my HDL was in the good range to start, I might see some increase and I might see some decrease. We shall see where it goes in the long term.
> > TriG: 75 ---> 52 ---> -23 > > Still optimal with negligible change. I guess if we divide it by 4, we get about 6 points. So yeah, it's small, but I was in good shape here. I think the big thing is that I lost 63 points of Total and most of it came from things we generally consider bad (LDL - 54 or 86% of the change, and another 8% from TriG). So, it's a work in progress, but it's a lot of progress for 9 weeks.
> > The all important Ratios (same format) > > Tot/HDL: 5.00 ---> 4.22 ---> -.78 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Suspect that you have had a loss of appetite because of hyperketonemia. So, yeah, LC suppressed my appetite. I am also on a low dose of Adderal that is supposed to reduce appetite. None the less, I eat pretty much as I ate before. I had a week (first week of MLB playoffs) when I ate about 25 chicken wings a night for dinner. I think they weighed about 2LBs per serving. I was also eating lunch and sometimes breakfast around this time. I'm a big guy (6'2") so maybe it's the 3LB Omer-and-a-half diet for someone my size. I dunno. But I've been eating plenty.
> > Oh, and walk more. > > This likely resulted in depletion of muscle glycogen stores so that > there would be more hyperketonemia and thus more appetite suppression. So, we take the protein and make more glycogen to replace that which we've used. I have not started to exercise to muscle failure yet (that's coming, but not here yet), so depeletion seems a little overstated. More than a little. As I said, I've been walking more. Maybe a mile a day more than I was. It's a big building. If you go to a farther bathroom, it's about 1/8th of a mile.
> > I just thought you > > would like to know what I did for myself. Or the LORD allowed me to do. > > Or your prayers on my behalf did. > > The hyperketonemia you likely are experiencing is likely harming you as > per our earlier discussions and the opinion of others:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d22c04113af2fa5f? Funny thing about Dr. Sears. On the VERY COVER of my Protein Power Life Plan, Paperback edition, with the white cover, there he is. Dr. Barry Sears, author & creator of the Zone Diet (so credited on the cover) calls their book nothing less than "The Nutritional Primer of the Nineties." This being the very same PP Life Plan that I am actually following. And he's a rival diet author.
So, this is a quandary. The Eades advocate a ketogenic diet and urge no worry from ketones. Dr. Sears calls their book the nutritional primer for the 90's. Since the copyright on PPLP is 2000, I suspect that he was actually talking about Protein Power. Protein Power is, if anything, tighter with the carbs than PPLP. But, on that link to the "opinion of others" we have Dr. Sears saying nasty things about ketogenic diets. As I read it, he's for protein in balance with carbs and for the eating of nearly unlimited fruits and veggies. Your approach is very clearly different from Dr. Sears' belief. He says:
"The other two-thirds of the plate you fill it full of fruits of vegetables until it's overflowing."
He also goes on to throw some tar on Dean Ornish (I am told that you eat a 2PD-OMER/Ornish based diet), for screwing up people's cholesterol, of all things. I think he complains about the high number of fatal heart attacks that were observed in a two year trial of the Ornish approach. Perhaps it was overeating, but Dr. Sears seems very much in the camp of insulin-glucagon metabolism being the key to weight loss and optimum health. His full testimony was pretty interesting.
> > In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to > > diet is not a diet. > > Already answered. It simply is not.
> If the 2PD-OMER Approach were a diet, you would be able to name a diet > incompatibility. I do not see where this is a requirement for a diet to be a diet. If this is in any dictionary definition or a working definition, please point me to an expert outside of your sphere of influence, who says so. I haven't seen it, but I suppose I'm willing to. It's the search for knowledge versus certainty.
> For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine > it with the Ornish diet. What I'm doing is actually quite a bit broader than a diet. Sure, the food portion is the 20% that gets you 80%. But the movement, the relaxation, the sun, the learning, etc, make it bigger than a diet. The elements outside of the food choices are certainly compatible with Dr. Ornish's theories. But, I'm not particularly interested in raising my shot at a fatal heart attack. Seems like killing yourself to spite "the man."
> On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been > using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet. I think that's nice. I don't think it has any part to do with what is and isn't a diet. Again, I ask for someone, not you, Mu, or anyone you work with, to have said anything to this effect. A reputable person. Like a dictionary author. Or WebMD. Or a research paper. Whatever. Just someone not in your sphere who is reputable and credible.
> > If you have forgotten, I posed the following > > question to you: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > obedient to GOD, ***we will receive the full measure of HIS blessing in > everything including our health.*** I believe you have failed to prove it false. Do not make me look this stuff up (I can and will but don't feel that you need the embarassment), but I know you have extolled the weight loss virtues of the 2PD-OMER "approach" and the health benefits as well. In fact, on your website, that's how it's pitched, if I recall correctly.
> > If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will > > concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again. > > The LORD has made me able. Laus Deo ! I know that I appear slow and unable to keep up. But if He's made you able, you haven't shown it yet.
> > If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your > > 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f? Unclear on the message of the link. Not disappointed because the answer was pretty close to what I expected. -Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Oct 2006 07:21 GMT > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No problem. Such is the joy I feel.
> > > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat > > > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I dunno about this. Without weighing your meals, you will never know.
> I have cut snacking at work, mostly. I eat a lot of > nuts instead of chips. I think they are more calorically dense. And [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yes, perhaps not as much. I have rarely eaten 2lbs or less in a day. > Maybe a couple of the 10 weeks. But certainly not the rule. Again, without weighing your meals, you will never know.
> > > I also > > > got my blood lipids back. I thought I would share with you. My doctor, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > doesn't have a lot of faith in the LC approach for improving > cholesterol. I told him I would try to make a convert out of him. 23 lbs of VAT has a much greater potential impact on lipids than 23 lbs of SAT.
> > > Results (first number is from 8/28/06, middle is from 10/20/06, final > > > is the change) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Working towards 220 total for the first goal, and somewhere around > 160-180 for the longer term goal. Losing all the VAT will mean you will become much hungrier at which point even the hyperketonemia will not longer suppress your appetite.
> > > LDL: 221 ---> 167 ---> -54 > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I guess if we divide it by 4, we get about 6 points. We would divide by 5.
> So yeah, it's > small, but I was in good shape here. I think the big thing is that I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Omer-and-a-half diet for someone my size. I dunno. But I've been > eating plenty. Again, you won't know until you start weighing your meals.
> > > Oh, and walk more. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So, we take the protein and make more glycogen to replace that which > we've used. Your muscle will not take FAAs to make glycogen.
> I have not started to exercise to muscle failure yet > (that's coming, but not here yet), so depeletion seems a little > overstated. It does not require muscle failure for depletion of muscle glycogen stores.
> More than a little. As I said, I've been walking more. > Maybe a mile a day more than I was. It's a big building. If you go to a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > and for the eating of nearly unlimited fruits and veggies. Your > approach is very clearly different from Dr. Sears' belief. The 2PD-OMER Approach does not exclude fruits and veggies.
> He says: > > "The other two-thirds of the plate you fill it full of fruits of > vegetables until it's overflowing." This is not unlimited fruits and veggies. The amount is limited by the capacity of the plate.
> He also goes on to throw some tar on Dean Ornish (I am told that you > eat a 2PD-OMER/Ornish based diet), for screwing up people's > cholesterol, of all things. I think he complains about the high number > of fatal heart attacks that were observed in a two year trial of the > Ornish approach. Perhaps it was overeating, It is.
> but Dr. Sears seems very > much in the camp of insulin-glucagon metabolism being the key to weight > loss and optimum health. His full testimony was pretty interesting. Many folks including Dr. Sears have been and continue to be brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
In truth, "hunger is good."
Indeed, "hunger is a healthy appetite."
In fact, "noone has ever died from hunger, though there are people dying from starvation and folks dying from starvation are not hungry."
Instead of "feed the hungry," the message should be "restore hunger to the starving by refeeding them slowly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> > > In other news, I am still waiting for an answer on how your approach to > > > diet is not a diet. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I do not see where this is a requirement for a diet to be a diet. You are ever seeing but never perceiving:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/758699d8bd036a60?
> If > this is in any dictionary definition or a working definition, please > point me to an expert outside of your sphere of influence, who says so. > I haven't seen it, but I suppose I'm willing to. It's the search for > knowledge versus certainty. Such is the utility of a discerning heart:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3fa4ecde07979a5a?
> > For example, what you are doing is a diet because you can not combine > > it with the Ornish diet. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > shot at a fatal heart attack. Seems like killing yourself to spite "the > man." It is the food choices that make the diet.
> > On the other hand, the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is what I have been > > using since 1997 to stay lean & trim can be combined with **any** diet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Like a dictionary author. Or WebMD. Or a research paper. Whatever. Just > someone not in your sphere who is reputable and credible. "If you want to lose a lot of weight, check out http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp : the idea here is to eat regularly, and not worry so much about the minutae of counting calories and figuring nutrient percentages - just limit total food intake over the course of the day. Read the FAQ on that site and it'll provide some useful information. I am in no way affiliated with the author and have no way to gain from you reading - but I'm offering this as a simple, free way to think about your diet. Don't be overwhelmed by all the information out there. The simplest diet isn't really a diet at all - just a lifestyle change opting to move more, eat less. The rest will balance itself out in reasonably short order." -- Geoff Sample
Source:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hitdigest/message/12572
> > > If you have forgotten, I posed the following > > > question to you: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I believe you have failed to prove it false. As the inventor of the 2PD-OMER Approach, I retain the GOD-given authority to state the goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach.
It should be obvious to the most casual observer that the stated goal "to help people learn that there is an optimal amount of food per GOD's design and that when we are obedient to GOD, we will receive the full measure of HIS blessing in everything including our health is different" is different from your belief that the goal is to "lose weight."
Indeed, folks suffering from anorexia nervosa can use the 2PD-OMER Approach to be blessed by GOD.
They definitely would not be using the Approach to "lose weight."
> Do not make me look this > stuff up (I can and will but don't feel that you need the > embarassment), but I know you have extolled the weight loss virtues of > the 2PD-OMER "approach" and the health benefits as well. In fact, on > your website, that's how it's pitched, if I recall correctly. The goal of the 2PD-OMER Approach is as stated here and nowhere else.
You unequivocally lose.
This victory belongs to GOD.
Laus Deo !
> > > If you can invalidate either the top half or the bottom half, I will > > > concede the point and never refer to 2PD-OMER as a diet again. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know that I appear slow and unable to keep up. But if He's made you > able, you haven't shown it yet. Again, you are ever seeing but never perceiving:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/758699d8bd036a60?
> > > If you simply fail to respond, you are essentially accepting that your > > > 2PD-OMER "approach" is a diet, according to the definition of the word, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Unclear on the message of the link. Not disappointed because the answer > was pretty close to what I expected. Your being vanquished was indeed expected.
Again, this victory belongs to GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Your consolation prize is eternal life if your choose to surrender to HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Hollywood whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
> -Hollywood panamfloyd@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 07:26 GMT > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Such is the joy I feel. Shaddap, bitch-a.s. And get your dumb a.s out of alt.atheism, you sh.t-eating spammer.
> > > > I got some good news yesterday. Eating my high protein, low carb, sat > > > > fat rich, more than 2PD diet, I have lost 24 lbs in ten weeks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Without weighing your meals, you will never know. Andy eats two pounds of sh.t a day. It's all he can afford since his practice failed.
-Panama Floyd, Atl. aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA! EAC Martian Commander Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06 "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next." -Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Oct 2006 07:37 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Shaddap, bitch-a.s. Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
This victory belongs to GOD.
Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite grace and mercy keep your heart beating to give you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Floyd whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Pastor Kutchie - 28 Oct 2006 07:49 GMT > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost: Poltroon.
Now, where was I?
panamfloyd@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 09:14 GMT > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Now, where was I? You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name.
-PF, Atl. #2015/KoBAAWA!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Oct 2006 09:51 GMT > Atheist Kutchie wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > <link snipped by atheist neighbor in an act of cowardice> Link restored:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
> > Poltroon. > > > > Now, where was I? Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory GOD for compelling you to prove that you are lost.
Laus Deo !
> You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name. ... and join you in defeat:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dcca5d66b46585d1?
May GOD in HIS infinite grace and mercy keep your heart beating to give you time to understand this, dear neighbor Floyd whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
panamfloyd@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 10:02 GMT > > Atheist Kutchie wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory GOD for compelling you to > prove that you are lost. Learn to read attribution marks, idiot.
> Laus Deo ! Hello Cleveland!!
> > You were about to call the coward, liar, cad, bully & thief a name. > > ... and join you in defeat: Well, you would know defeat, you silly little turtledove of a man. When you gonna pay that child support, deadbeat?
-Panama Floyd, Atl. aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA! EAC Martian Commander Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06 "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next." -Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Kadaitcha Man - 28 Oct 2006 10:07 GMT panamfloyd@hotmail.com, the prompter in the theater, indicted:
> Learn to read attribution marks, idiot. ...wrote the retard who can't read dates.
> Eat sh.t & cry, K-man: > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e4bcf2d7f146761f?dmode=source BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You fuckwitted c.nt.
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:17:18 -0500
> Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
 Signature alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour, but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou fetid whey-face. Thou scab-laden tyrant.
Kadaitcha Man - 28 Oct 2006 12:29 GMT panamfloyd@hotmail.com, the servant responsible for monitoring the state of the tide, alleged:
*plonk*
 Signature alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour, but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou scroyle. Thou witless, clouted pigeon-egg.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Oct 2006 13:46 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Atheist Kutchie wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Learn to read attribution marks, idiot. Name-calling simply confirms that you remain vanquished:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give you extra time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Floyd whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Kadaitcha Man - 28 Oct 2006 12:30 GMT Pastor Kutchie <user13@heathens.org.uk>, the crabby herald, scrawled:
*plonk*
 Signature alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005 and April 2006
"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour, but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion
Thou fly-eating friend of an ill fashion. Thou drunk hourly promise-breaker.
Olrik - 29 Oct 2006 06:21 GMT > Pastor Kutchie <user13@heathens.org.uk>, the crabby herald, scrawled: > > *plonk* Why did you plonk Chung? He's like you, only without a sense of humour.
Olrik
> -- > alt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thou fly-eating friend of an ill fashion. Thou drunk hourly > promise-breaker. panamfloyd@hotmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 09:03 GMT > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost: Name calling simply shows that you're a cock-sucking rude mother f.cker.
> This victory belongs to GOD. Yeah, just like the Germans at Stalingrad. You wouldn't know victory if she grew wings and stood on the hood of your car.
-Panama Floyd, Atl. aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA! EAC Martian Commander Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06 "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next." -Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Kumar - 28 Oct 2006 08:26 GMT > > > > Hiya Dr. Chung. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > -Hollywood Good post. I have few questions that in diabetic type2 with IR;
1. Whether a person with 12 years old diabetic2 with IR with family history of similar type of diabetes(mother side) and with some Central obesity and persistent and prolonged hyperglycemia patient (76Kgs/5'.11"/53yrs/waistline 41"/Male) with overeating and irregular habits, Sed.lifestyle, all other tests clear-- need what to control hyperglycemia and what should be his target about waistline, weight and glucose levels? to eat less?
2. Whether taking snacks or cooked/fried foods increase glucose levels and inflammatory responses(due to higher AGEs) much more than taking light and simple foods?
3. Whether taking outside foods, moving in crowd or living in big polluted and stressful cities(pollution, crowding, oustide food may enhance exposure to inflammatory agents) can keep glucose levels elevated inspite of medication programme well followed?
4. Whether living Sed. lifestyle--less physical excercise can cause persistent hyperglycemia inspite of proper medication and diet control?
William Wagner - 24 Oct 2006 14:52 GMT > Obesity Epidemic: US Temporal Trends > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > To join mailing list, vistig > http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/subscribe-to-email-list.html Thanks for posting!
Folks be sure to look at
http://www.epidemiologic.org/2006/10/whi-low-fat-dietary-trial-what-billi on.html
or http://tinyurl.com/yxlw73
same site.
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 05, 2006 WHI Low-Fat Dietary Trial: What a Billion-Dollar Trial Showed that Epidemiology Already Knew
As they say in baseball and criminal felonies- "3 strikes and you're out" - however, is this adage necessary true in medical research? In a recent blockbuster issue of JAMA, investigators from the decade-long Women's Health Initiative low-fat dietary trial simultaneously reported the results for breast cancer, colorectal cancer, and cardiovascular disease... in essense, results indicated no overall benefit of a low-fat dietary pattern.
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