In news:URhxg.123385$TK1.81834@fed1read06,
Chuck Stamford <shell__stamford@cox.net> typed:

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Hi Chuck,

thank you for your understanding, dear brother! I know you have a big
heart. The usenet is a place where we sometimes forget who is the enemy
and who is not.

You might be right, and we cannot say much about others from the
distance, because we do not know their special situations. What I could
find out is that there is a wide range of how the Spirit shows His
manifestation in people. We have different talents.

If Andrew is young in the Lord, he is still much burning in the first
love. But we are warned in Revelation 2:4 not to leave our first love.
On the other hand the Spirit manifests self-control of our emotions
according to Galater 5.

So we can all learn from one another. :-) *I* have learned much from
you - your patience with others is really unbelievable.

I think that Andrew is a great addition in ACC that has come down to a
group of arguing about the Lord, while Andrew shows the joy he has in
the Lord, fearless and bold. That is missing in ACC. How many people
have run away? Why could we not all just praise the Lord for what He
did? Why could others get the power to stop us? Maybe we were all
lacking the first love.

Where are the praises for the Lord here? From what can others see that
we love one another (well, we do and know it, but others cannot see it).
Why should we debate what our faith is and defend what the Spirit tells
us?

Before I became a Christian, I saw Christians like Andrew, and thought,
"What morons they are! How can they believe such a nonsense!" (sorry
Andrew!) But at the same time I knew that they had something I did not
have, and envied them.

How can we tell unbelievers that there is more to our faith than they
can see? That is such a difficult matter. They can only see what is in
front of them, but not what we experience. They come to ACC and see us
fighting over doctrine - and run away. I do this all the time, though I
know that the Lord does not need me for that. Yet I think it is
important to warn of false teachers, and when I see they are just that,
I have decided to stop debating with them. They are sucking us out. They
are wasting our time.

Lord, give us more of this:

Wake up, my glory!
Wake up, psaltery and harp!
I will wake up the dawn.
I will give thanks to you, Lord, among the peoples.
I will sing praises to you among the nations.
For your great loving kindness reaches to the heavens,
And your truth to the skies.
Be exalted, God, above the heavens.
Let your glory be over all the earth.
(Psalms 57:8-11 WEB)
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If Andrew has unanswered questions he should deal with (which might
really be the case), I am sure that the Lord will guide him there. Let
us pray for that! But the usenet is not necessarily the right place to
discuss such matters. They should be dealt with between four eyes or
with a group of other Christians only in my opinion. Maybe you could
send him an e-mail to clear this all up? I know you are both wonderful
brothers in Christ, and the Lord loves you. You are one of those whom I
trust enough here who I would recommend to others like an Elder - like
me, too. If I had a question, I would ask you.

If you wanted to ask Andrew if we Christians are allowed to use medicine
besides prayers, I would agree. I am glad that there is medicine for my
son. God can use medicine to heal or to prevent illnesses. Maybe that
was what Andrew wanted to say, and maybe he cannot really say anything
here that refers to his job. You know what people make up here, so he
would be clever not to talk about such things online. Being a target for
everyone with the way he chose to go to spread the Gospel, it might be
hard for him to discern how your question was meant, and he started to
run in defence mode. :-)

Having his ancestors in Asia, this might also be a reason why the Lord
gave him the Spirit like this! He thinks he answered your question, and
maybe he really has, but in the way the Asians do this. Just imagine all
the Asian people reading here! It is true, there are a number of Asian
people reading on my website every day, so I think Andrew is a witness
to them as well! And they have a little different way of thinking than
the Americans or Europeans have. Tolerance is asked here.

I would like it if Andrew could write something for the Asian people
that I could publish on my website. They might understand him much
better than me.

Peace to you, beloved brother in Christ,

           ::: vera :::

Galatians 5:22-23 WEB But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and
self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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