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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2006Hi Andrew
Dear Dr. Chung: I'm going to be frank and to the point with you. As a regular reader of this newsgroup I am concerned about your mental health. A long list of subscribers to sci.med.cardiology and the christian newsgroups you cross-post to have expressed their concerns about your mental state. How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you are suffering from some amount of psychosis. Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your attention. Why? Because often people with a serious mental illness involving psychosis do not realize on their own that they are sick, and it is only by others telling them that they are sick and encouraging them to seek help that they will do so. Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical treatment. It should be no different with your mental health. Millions of christians have suffered from serious mental illness. Millions have improved with treatment. Quite a number of people just on usenet now have told you that you are sick and need help. I can only hope that after enough people tell you this that you will be willing to entertain the possibility that you may indeed be ill and will seek help. I wish you the best, Kevin kevinr5424@yahoo.com wrote in news:1153508365.616025.258510 @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > Dear Dr. Chung: [...] > Quite a number of people just on usenet now have told you that you > are sick and need help. I can only hope that after enough people tell [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kevin You will be hoping for a very long time. Paranoid schizophrenics with religious persecution complex, such as Mr. Chung, are not inclined to respond to pleas from the internet. Unless he suffers a complete breakdown or someone takes away his computer I suspect he will be here for many years to come. L. He'll probably think you're satan coming at him in a psychological guise. If he ACTUALLY is starving himself, somebody in his locale should alert the authorities to intervene. > Dear Dr. Chung: > > I'm going to be frank and to the point with you. As a regular reader > of this newsgroup I am concerned about your mental health. Many thanks to GOD for your kind heart to show concern for another. > A long list > of subscribers to sci.med.cardiology and the christian newsgroups you > cross-post to have expressed their concerns about your mental state. In truth, many have borne false witness in stating that I suffer from mental illness. > How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and > maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? Such medications would likely decrease the high level of functioning that comes from the LORD's many blessings. > It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you > are suffering from some amount of psychosis. Not to the discerning. > Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is > inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your > attention. Why? Because often people with a serious mental illness > involving psychosis do not realize on their own that they are sick, and > it is only by others telling them that they are sick and encouraging > them to seek help that they will do so. Many of my social and civic contacts are folks who are in the mental health profession (actually my wife's friends because she is a psychologist). They do not seem to hold the opinion that being openly Christian is a sign of psychosis. > Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you > would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical treatment. > It should be no different with your mental health. Millions of > christians have suffered from serious mental illness. Millions have > improved with treatment. Serious mental illness in a born-again Christian is manifest by the following: (1) Social isolation and loss of zeal in praising GOD. (2) Decreased or loss of prayer life. Being unable to pray. (3) No longer able to either read or discuss the Bible. Which of these do you believe I exhibit? > Quite a number of people just on usenet now have told you that you > are sick and need help. None have been qualified to make such a diagnosis in person much less over usenet. Indeed, I am around folks in various social and church functions who are more qualified to tell me about such concerns. > I can only hope that after enough people tell > you this that you will be willing to entertain the possibility that you > may indeed be ill and will seek help. In truth, LORD GOD Almighty has been keeping me completely well. Laus Deo ! > I wish you the best, Without the LORD, your wishes are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > Kevin You will be in my prayers, dear Kevin. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth "Many of my social and civic contacts are folks who are in the mental health profession (actually my wife's friends because she is a psychologist). They do not seem to hold the opinion that being openly Christian is a sign of psychosis." This is not the concern of the original poster and of myself for you. Your expression of views is not the question, the general pattern of other behaviors and thought patterns regardless of topic is. "Serious mental illness in a born-again Christian is manifest by the following: (1) Social isolation and loss of zeal in praising GOD. (2) Decreased or loss of prayer life. Being unable to pray. (3) No longer able to either read or discuss the Bible. Which of these do you believe I exhibit?" These have no standing either in medicine or theology. However another list bearing upon distortions of behavior and thought process could be posted, but you in your previous training during medical rotations would already know them. The only question is if you are still able to recognise how they might apply to you just now. Failure to be able to do this self reflection is one of the measures of the problem and of diagnosis that is on the list. "None have been qualified to make such a diagnosis in person much less over usenet. Indeed, I am around folks in various social and church functions who are more qualified to tell me about such concerns." That people who are not hostile to you can even over usanet discern various patterns of behavior and distortions of thought is a measure of its reason to be a concern for all interested for your welfare. Again, one central problem is a failure of interpretation of self that is distorted which instills failure to grasp or dismiss what others are indeed saying. As I have suggested several times now, you need an external reference such as your spiritual or medical advisor by which they might guide you in the self reflection process that you might not be able to perform just now. If then there is no problem then you and we can be at peace on our concerns. God's blessing and protection and peace upon you. >> Dear Dr. Chung: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > In truth, many have borne false witness in stating that I suffer from > mental illness. Oh really? >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and >> maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? > > Such medications would likely decrease the high level of functioning > that comes from the LORD's many blessings. They might stop the voices and fantasy ideations. >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you >> are suffering from some amount of psychosis. > > Not to the discerning. Yes to the discerning. >> Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is >> inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > psychologist). They do not seem to hold the opinion that being openly > Christian is a sign of psychosis. Then what harm would there be, to being evaluated by a psychiatrist? If what you said is correct... >> Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you >> would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical treatment. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Which of these do you believe I exhibit? By thinking these 3 items are good gauges of mental health, you clearly show you DO have a reality problem. > >> Dear Dr. Chung: > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Oh really? Yes. Their writings have been archived in Google. > >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and > >> maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They might stop the voices and fantasy ideations. What voices are you hearing here on usenet? (Fwiw, I certainly have not been hearing any.) As for your fantasies about my having a mental illness, it is unlikely that anti-psychotic medications will dispel them. > >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you > >> are suffering from some amount of psychosis. > > > > Not to the discerning. > > Yes to the discerning. You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing by describing what you think they should be seeing. > >> Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is > >> inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Then what harm would there be, to being evaluated by a psychiatrist? If what > you said is correct... Inappropriate wastage of medical resources. > >> Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you > >> would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical treatment. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > By thinking these 3 items are good gauges of mental health, you clearly show > you DO have a reality problem. Actually, what I have written is that the above 3 items are an indication of poor mental health. Bottomline: You remain untruthful. Nonetheless, still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Yes. Their writings have been archived in Google. You always choose interpretations that are "convenient" to you, which indicates a lack of character typical of xian fundies. Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. The issue is whether these were false questions - I don't think they were. >> >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and >> >> maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What voices are you hearing here on usenet? Childish response. > (Fwiw, I certainly have not been hearing any.) You often claim to talk to god and jesus.... and that they tell you things. > As for your fantasies about my having a mental illness, it is unlikely > that anti-psychotic medications will dispel them. They dampen the symptoms. >> >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you >> >> are suffering from some amount of psychosis. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing > by describing what you think they should be seeing. You remind me of an alcoholic denying he has a problem. >> >> Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is >> >> inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Inappropriate wastage of medical resources. You're not the best judge of that. Claiming that you've been starving yourself for 30+ days is NOT normal healthy behavior. If you have actually been doing it - it's even worse. >> >> Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you >> >> would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Actually, what I have written is that the above 3 items are an > indication of poor mental health. Issue avoidance - another childish response. > Bottomline: You remain untruthful. You are in denial about your very serious problems. > >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You always choose interpretations that are "convenient" to you, which > indicates a lack of character typical of xian fundies. Actually, I choose what is truthful. > Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. The > issue is whether these were false questions - I don't think they were. Actually, what I have written plainly you have attempted to distort. > >> >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist and > >> >> maybe getting on a suitable medication like Risperdal, Abilify, etc.? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Childish response. Actually a question that you evade. > > (Fwiw, I certainly have not been hearing any.) > > You often claim to talk to god and jesus.... Actually, praying to GOD does not mean one hears HIS voice. > and that they tell you things. Actually, receiving guidance from GOD also does not mean one hears HIS voice. > > As for your fantasies about my having a mental illness, it is unlikely > > that anti-psychotic medications will dispel them. > > They dampen the symptoms. Actually, it is remains unlikely they will affect your fantasies of my having a mental illness. > >> >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that you > >> >> are suffering from some amount of psychosis. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You remind me of an alcoholic denying he has a problem. Curious that you would be compelled to write this comparison. An alcoholic is addicted to alcohol which robs the alcoholic of his/her insight so that s/he is not cognizant of the harm that the addiction has had on his/her life. Only Christ-centered approaches have been shown to work in helping such folks overcome their lack of insight through a change in their hearts leading to a confession of both the addiction and other sins. Only GOD can change hearts in such a manner and so the solution to alcoholism has been Christianity. A born-again Christian choose to have a relationship with Christ Jesus, Who gives him/her HIS peace which passes all worldly understanding so that his/her life in this world is a more abundant one in HIM sans fear, worry, and despair. This is a vast improvement from life without HIM which may have been one plagued with alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, adultery, and/or other sins. > >> >> Although you and perhaps some others may feel a posting like this is > >> >> inappropriate, I feel I had a moral obligation to bring this to your [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > You're not the best judge of that. Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). The answer remains truthful. > Claiming that you've been starving > yourself for 30+ days is NOT normal healthy behavior. Actually, because I remain hungry thanks to the Holy Spirit, Who has kept me well, I have not been starving. > If you have actually been doing it - it's even worse. Actually, it remains wise to obey GOD even if you are just a fig tree (Mark 11:12,13,14) > >> >> Certainly if you started having chest pain with palpitations you > >> >> would not hesitate to have testing and the requisite medical [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Issue avoidance - another childish response. The truth. > > Bottomline: You remain untruthful. > > You are in denial about your very serious problems. Being untruthful is an infinitely more serious problem. Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth >> >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Actually, I choose what is truthful. Yes, you do that. It doesn't matter whether something IS true, it matters more to you whether it's conveninet, to you, to "believe" it is. >> Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. The >> issue is whether these were false questions - I don't think they were. > > Actually, what I have written plainly you have attempted to distort. You have a clear habit of childish obfuscation and evasion. >> >> >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist >> >> >> and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Actually a question that you evade. You have a clear habit of childish obfuscation and evasion. Here it is again. >> > (Fwiw, I certainly have not been hearing any.) >> >> You often claim to talk to god and jesus.... > > Actually, praying to GOD does not mean one hears HIS voice. You have made numerous claims of being told things by supernatural beings. >> and that they tell you things. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Actually, it is remains unlikely they will affect your fantasies of my > having a mental illness. You have been claiming to be starving yourself - that's not normal. It's even worse if you are actually doing it. >> >> >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that >> >> >> you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Curious that you would be compelled to write this comparison. It's a very apt comparison, in your case. >Only Christ-centered approaches have been > shown to work in helping such folks overcome their lack of insight > through a change in their hearts leading to a confession of both the > addiction and other sins. Only GOD can change hearts in such a manner > and so the solution to alcoholism has been Christianity. This implies that alchoholics of other religions than xianity, or people who are atheists/agnostics, are never cured of alcoholism. Clear nonsense, and a further indication of your inability to deal with reality and your mental problems. Enough said. > >> >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Yes, you do that. It doesn't matter whether something IS true, it matters > more to you whether it's conveninet, to you, to "believe" it is. Discerning the truth is not a result of believing something to be true > >> Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. The > >> issue is whether these were false questions - I don't think they were. > > > > Actually, what I have written plainly you have attempted to distort. > > You have a clear habit of childish obfuscation and evasion. Actually, childish obfuscation is an oxymoron as is childish evasion. > >> >> >> How would you feel about getting an evaluation by a psychiatrist > >> >> >> and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You have a clear habit of childish obfuscation and evasion. Here it is > again. See above. > >> > (Fwiw, I certainly have not been hearing any.) > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You have made numerous claims of being told things by supernatural beings. If that were true, it should be easy for you to back up your assertion with a Google citation. > >> and that they tell you things. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You have been claiming to be starving yourself Actually, I have made no such claim. Indeed, because I have described hunger during the fasting, medically there has been no starvation. > - that's not normal. Actually, hunger is quite normal. > It's even worse if you are actually doing it. Nothing wrong with choosing to be hungry. > >> >> >> It's quite clear from the tone and content of your postings that > >> >> >> you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's a very apt comparison, in your case. Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiates). > > Only Christ-centered approaches have been > > shown to work in helping such folks overcome their lack of insight [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This implies that alchoholics of other religions than xianity, or people who > are atheists/agnostics, are never cured of alcoholism. Indeed, without Christ, alcoholism is never cured even though a person may clean up his/her act and stay sober for prolonged periods of time. > Clear nonsense, and a further indication of your inability to deal with > reality and your mental problems. Simply ask a reformed alcoholic whether s/he can have just one drink. > Enough said. Indeed enough has been in this topic. Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7d9759318ef2647? or http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 >> >> >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Discerning the truth is not a result of believing something to be true More babble instead of clear statements. That's indicative of dissembling and a lack of character. >> >> Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. >> >> The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Actually, childish obfuscation is an oxymoron as is childish evasion. More babble instead of clear statements. That's indicative of dissembling and a lack of character. And still no photo posted to demonstrate the sort of weight loss that would be consistent with you ACTUALLY being on a long fast. Andrew, you are as big a lie as you phony religion. > >> >> >> >> Dear Dr. Chung: > >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > More babble instead of clear statements. Actually, I have written **one** statement quite plainly. > That's indicative of dissembling > and a lack of character. Actually, it simply means you are ever reading but not understanding. Bottomline: You remain untruthful. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 > >> >> Everyone knows your sanity has been questioned, that's not the issue. > >> >> The [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Andrew, you are as big a lie as you phony religion. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message >> That's indicative of dissembling >> and a lack of character. > > Actually, it simply means you are ever reading but not understanding. > > Bottomline: You remain untruthful. Wrong, I understand clearly that after claiming to be on a 40 day fast, you will not furnish even an online photo to indicate the weight loss that would come from such a fast. Andrew *bears* false witness. I *bare* Andrew's false witness. > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > will not furnish even an online photo to indicate the weight loss that would > come from such a fast. If casual acquaintances at the health fair we held in Mableton yesterday only noticed that I seemed younger when they see me in person, what makes you believe that an on-line photo will prove to you that I had been fasting. http://TheHealthFair.com My friends and family have gifted me with better fitting clothes for my more sinewy near 0% body fat frame so the clothes I am wearing are not baggy, BTW. They seem to believe that I may choose to remain as lean&trim as I have become. However, most assuredly, my new shape is from the LORD and not from me. My height is 5'10" and a balance-beam scale measured my weight at 125 lbs at the end of my 40 day&night fast yesterday evening (was 145 lbs at day 1). Blood pressure was 105/75. Heart rate was regular at 60. EKG was normal sinus rhythm without any changes associated with electrolyte abnormalities. Still bench pressing 250 lbs so have not lost any muscle. Just had 8 ounces for lunch. Best tasting turkey sandwiches I have ever had. The Holy Spirit has kept me from eating more so HE is keeping me from re-feeding problems. "Hunger is the best pickle (i.e. seasoning)" -- Benjamin Franklin Still very hungry after eating, thankfully, so I know the sandwiches were blessed by LORD GOD Almighty per the pre-meal prayer in Jesus' most precious and holy name. "Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen ! Laus Deo ! Marana tha ! Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 Most of your reply only adds to doubts that you were on a true fast. And still no online photo. > Most of your reply only adds to doubts that you were on a true fast. The faithless heart is black with doubt. > And still no online photo. You should be able to find an online photo of me if you surf the links under my sigs. Folks say the only difference is that I look younger. Many thanks and praises to GOD for your reminding me that I have not had a hamburger in more than 40 days thereby making me hungrier :-) Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 >> Most of your reply only adds to doubts that you were on a true fast. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You should be able to find an online photo of me if you surf the links > under my sigs. Folks say the only difference is that I look younger. Give the link to the photo. > >> Most of your reply only adds to doubts that you were on a true fast. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Give the link to the photo. http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message >> > You should be able to find an online photo of me if you surf the links >> > under my sigs. Folks say the only difference is that I look younger. >> >> Give the link to the photo. > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth No, that's a link to your nonsense website. Give the link to the photo you claim shows you after the fast. Everytime you fail to do this your credibiliy goes even lower. > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No, that's a link to your nonsense website. You will find a photo of me there. > Give the link to the photo you claim shows you after the fast. There is no need for such a phote when folks are saying that the only change in my appearance is that I look younger. > Everytime you fail to do this your credibiliy goes even lower. Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). Still praying for you, dear Kurt. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://tinyurl.com/ebyo3 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in >> No, that's a link to your nonsense website. > > You will find a photo of me there. > >> Give the link to the photo you claim shows you after the fast. > There is no need for such a phote when folks are saying that the only > change in my appearance is that I look younger. When people lose weight, the aging lines show up more distinctly. When people gain weight, the aging lines become LESS apparent. Your comment works against the idea that you lost any weight, or were ACTUALLY on a fast. Everytime you fail to post a photo of you after this "fast", your credibiliy goes even lower. > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). Andrew, without HONESTY, your words are meaningless (Common Sense). Didn't he say his "wife" is a psychologist? Perhaps this is all an experiment (his fanatical rantings) so his wife can write a paper on how people respond? Perhaps he is sitting there in front of his computer, giggling and rubbing his hands together. Perhaps he isn't even posting. Perhaps it is his wife who has been doing all this? > Didn't he say his "wife" is a psychologist? Perhaps this is all an > experiment (his fanatical rantings) so his wife can write a paper on > how people respond? Perhaps he is sitting there in front of his > computer, giggling and rubbing his hands together. Perhaps he isn't > even posting. Perhaps it is his wife who has been doing all this? Apparently it's been going on for years and his professional career has suffered for it. Andrew B. Chung, notorious liar, wrote: > Still very hungry after eating, thankfully, so I know the sandwiches > were blessed by LORD GOD Almighty After reading that sentence, people will truly realize just how f.cked up your mind is. > My height is 5'10" and a balance-beam scale measured my weight at 125 > lbs at the end of my 40 day&night fast yesterday evening (was 145 lbs [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > were blessed by LORD GOD Almighty per the pre-meal prayer in Jesus' > most precious and holy name. now he's been caught out lying about his 40 day fast, he thinks he is eating sacred sandwiches! Roll up k00kologists. He's going off the deep end again.  SignatureHave a look at this post from 2004 417ffd16$0$63176$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com Ko0ki Andi, around the time he was starting to become totally unhinged, used to state he does not crosspost. Now anything he replies to is crossposted to all the groups he wants to dominate and destroy. His own words at the time were that he does not ever crosspost, only reply to crossposts of others. Many times he has been caught out in that particular lie over the years. A liar, condemned by his own words and actions. Watch him edit this post and crosspost it into the groups he wants to destroy, claiming to 'love' everyone. Tough love huh? As were his k00ksoot posts at the time threatening everyone with libel suits if they dared call him on anything. Now consider the "earthquake advisory" posts and prophecy of nuclear war that...um...doesn't happen. That's false prophecy then. "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies ..." 2 Pet. 2:1 So in summary, k0oki Andi the unemployed, sacked former Florida physician is a liar and false prophet. Add them up, particularly the numerous lies he gets caught out in. Serving the Prince of Lies and a false prophet...doesn't that make k0oki Andi a Satanic pipsqueak and servant of evil by his own words and deeds? Beware the blessings of a fraudulent, lying k0ok. FR How did you find a low carb diet, grin? With your weight loss the low carb must work, grin. Of course you had protein loss in the muscles, the body uses protein at hand when none is consumed. > How did you find a low carb diet, grin? Fasting is not a diet just as the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. As what someone has written earlier, fasting is the 0PD-OMER Approach. > With your weight loss the low carb must work, grin. Logically, the weight loss with the 0PD-OMER Approach is an extrapolation of what is seen with the 2PD-OMER Approach in the extreme. > Of course you had protein loss in the muscles, > the body uses protein at hand when none is consumed. Because of no muscle loss, the Holy Spirit may have supplied the essential amino acids obviating the need for structural protein (ie muscle) breakdown. One possibility is through the digestion and absorption of gut bacteria. "What is impossible with men is possible with GOD." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 18:27) Still praying for you, dear Calvin. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit He is following the 0PD-OMER Approach requiring at least 4 hours of self-reflection per day. Chung is kooking out again. Now he puts down his "success" at fasting to holy intervention up his a.s. Everyone else here is in no doubt that ko0ki Andi was bullshitting, which is why he keeps evading requests to post pictures. Fast my a.s. Pack of lies from a proven liar. Usual Chung bullshit. > Because of no muscle loss, the Holy Spirit may have supplied the > essential amino acids obviating the need for structural protein (ie [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit > Chung is kooking out again. Now he puts down his "success" at fasting to > holy intervention up his a.s. > > Everyone else here is in no doubt that ko0ki Andi was bullshitting, > which is why he keeps evading requests to post pictures. Absolutely. A pic with the shirt off, after a 40 day fast would definitely be a clear indication of a recent large reduction in weight. He can't afford to post a pic like that. He also has claimed no muscle mass loss over this 40 day fast. I doubt that that is even physiologically possible. "Fasting is not a diet just as the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. As what someone has written earlier, fasting is the 0PD-OMER Approach. "Logically, the weight loss with the 0PD-OMER Approach is an extrapolation of what is seen with the 2PD-OMER Approach in the extreme. I see this as a distinction without a difference, a quibble of words and semantics. Actually your experience was a no carb or extreme low carb diet, grin. "> Of course you had protein loss in the muscles, > the body uses protein at hand when none is consumed. Because of no muscle loss, the Holy Spirit may have supplied the essential amino acids obviating the need for structural protein (ie muscle) breakdown. One possibility is through the digestion and absorption of gut bacteria." We and you do not know about muscle loss, that can only be confirmed by before and after technical physical measures. At very best, gut bacteria would have been used for a few days only, most are adapted to producing enzymes to break down carbohydrates, some fewer percent for protein breakdown. The product of those bacteria, and other organisms not bacteria, is gas and fatty acids not protein. How do you propose the protein gets from the colon into the body? In a few days they would be severely diminished in amount as they are constantly being passed from the gut, along with the cell lining of the gut which is protein and which requires external protein to be replaced. > In a few days they would be severely diminished in amount as they are > constantly being passed from the gut, along with the cell lining of the > gut which is protein and which requires external protein to be replaced. You are writing extremely intelligent responses (and I am being serious). Thank you. > "Fasting is not a diet just as the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet. > > As what someone has written earlier, fasting is the 0PD-OMER Approach. Many thanks to GOD for your being compelled to affirm what I have written. > "Logically, the weight loss with the 0PD-OMER Approach is an > extrapolation of what is seen with the 2PD-OMER Approach in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > semantics. Actually your experience was a no carb or extreme low carb > diet, grin. You remind me of satan's ability to speak out of both corners of his mouth, discordant things, at the same time. He also does this while grinning. > "> Of course you had protein loss in the muscles, > > the body uses protein at hand when none is consumed. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > We and you do not know about muscle loss, that can only be confirmed by > before and after technical physical measures. Strength measure is a technical physical measure. Strength remains preserved. > At very best, gut bacteria > would have been used for a few days only, most are adapted to producing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is gas and fatty acids not protein. How do you propose the protein gets > from the colon into the body? The colon has the adaptive capability to absorb small molecules such as simple amino acids, sugars, and vitamins along with the water that it absorbs. > In a few days they would be severely diminished in amount as they are > constantly being passed from the gut, along with the cell lining of the > gut which is protein and which requires external protein to be replaced. Your writing this is a clear indication that you have no experience with fasting either first-hand or vicariously through someone close to you. Hint: Nothing is passing through the gut. It is written that "man does not live on bread alone but every word that comes out of the mouth of GOD." A word from GOD can compel rocks to turn to bread, and for a few barley loaves and two small fish to become several bushelfuls of food, enough to feed thousands. Laus Deo ! Marana tha ! Still praying for you, dear Calvin. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit "Strength measure is a technical physical measure. Strength remains" Without objectivly verified measure in this spicific case, actually it is not. Did you continue to do strength,ie. resistive, exercise? Muscle protein is one of the first sources broken down when protein is not taken in for long periods. This is first and foremost the fibers of muscle. ""The colon has the adaptive capability to absorb small molecules such as simple amino acids, sugars, and vitamins along with the water that it absorbs." It is most adapted to the fatty acids which is the product of the bacteria and other organisms. It is poorly able to adapt to providing amino acids for absorption, after all those fewer bacteria etc. metabolising them do so for their own support and little if any is available to be absorbed. In any case, as mentioned, what ever use can be made of gut bacteria for a protein source is limited, they start destroying themselves and continue to be passed from the gut only for a short time after external sources are lost. "Your writing this is a clear indication that you have no experience with fasting either first-hand or vicariously through someone close to you." I choose not to discuss my fasting life, we are commanded by our Lord not to make a public spectacle of it and other matters in the religious life in Him. "Hint: Nothing is passing through the gut." Quite, actually it is not doing so because as mentioned the bacteria of the gut is a limited, in time and amount, of protein, if at all and the bacteria is soon passed or depleted; except for that breaking down the protein lining of the gut.. "It is written that "man does not live on bread alone but every word that comes out of the mouth of GOD." A word from GOD can compel rocks to turn to bread, and for a few barley loaves and two small fish to become several bushelfuls of food, enough to feed thousands." IN truth it didn't happen in your case, least it would not have been a fast, smile. Did you seek the advice of your spiritual advisor before undertaking the fast as to its spiritual valure for you? Thank you for praying on my behalf, God's blessing and protection and peace upon you. > "Strength measure is a technical physical measure. Strength remains" > > Without objectivly verified measure in this spicific case, actually it > is not. Did you continue to do strength,ie. resistive, exercise? Not for training but for measuring strength objectively. > Muscle protein is one of the first sources broken down when protein is > not taken in for long periods. This is first and foremost the fibers of > muscle. Actually, for chemical energy, the body opts to break down fat first, glycogen next, and protein last when conditions are optimal. > ""The colon has the adaptive capability to absorb small molecules such > as simple amino acids, sugars, and vitamins along with the water that it > absorbs." > > It is most adapted to the fatty acids which is the product of the > bacteria and other organisms. No. The colon is most adapted for passive absorpton of water and solutes. Absorption of fatty acids occurs in the small intestine. > It is poorly able to adapt to providing > amino acids for absorption, after all those fewer bacteria etc. > metabolising them do so for their own support and little if any is > available to be absorbed. Depends on the bacteria. There are other nitrogen containing organic compounds produced by some bacteria that can be readily absorbed through the colon to allow the body to synthesize the amino acids it needs stored carbohydrates. > In any case, as mentioned, what ever use can > be made of gut bacteria for a protein source is limited, they start > destroying themselves and continue to be passed from the gut only for a > short time after external sources are lost. Actually, gut bacteria do not undergo apoptosis. When there is less substrates to sustain them, they simply slow down their rates of cell division. > "Your writing this is a clear indication that you have no experience > with fasting either first-hand or vicariously through someone close to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not to make a public spectacle of it and other matters in the religious > life in Him. Actually, LORD Jesus Christ issued only two commandments to HIS followers. Not discussing fasting is not one of these two commandments. It is not even one of HIS suggestions. Indeed, HE did not rebuke HIS disciples for discussing fasting with John's disciples. > "Hint: Nothing is passing through the gut." > > Quite, actually it is not doing so because as mentioned the bacteria of > the gut is a limited, in time and amount, of protein, if at all and the > bacteria is soon passed or depleted; except for that breaking down the > protein lining of the gut.. You are incoherent here. > "It is written that "man does not live on bread alone but every word > that comes out of the mouth of GOD." A word from GOD can compel rocks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > IN truth it didn't happen in your case, least it would not have been a > fast, smile. What the Holy Spirit does to the insides my body does not change the fast which is defined as no food being ingested by mouth. > Did you seek the advice of your spiritual advisor before > undertaking the fast as to its spiritual valure for you? My spiritual advisor led me to the fasting which was undertaken out of obedience. You would have known this had you been reborn of water and the Holy Spirit. > Thank you for praying on my behalf, God's blessing and protection and > peace upon you. Thanks be to Christ Jesus, my LORD, my Savior, and my GOD. May you someday be able to make the same public confession, dear Calvin whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. Amen ! Laus Deo ! Marana tha ! Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit Andrew B. Chung wrote: > You remind me of satan's ability to speak out of both corners of his > mouth, discordant things, at the same time. He also does this while > grinning. And you've seen this in action? You have first-hand visual confirmation of what "satan's" smile looks like? What does his voice sound like? Do tell. > Your writing this is a clear indication that you have no experience > with fasting either first-hand or vicariously through someone close to > you. I see no "writing" here. Would suggest you consult a psychiatrist about your hallucinations. > It is written that "man does not live on bread alone but every word > that comes out of the mouth of GOD." A word from GOD can compel rocks > to turn to bread, and for a few barley loaves and two small fish to > become several bushelfuls of food, enough to feed thousands. Interpretation of "his" word can apparently turn the brain to jelly. Sorry the truth bothers you. > Serious mental illness in a born-again Christian is manifest by the > following: > > (1) Social isolation and loss of zeal in praising GOD. Actually, no. They become more obsessed by their religion, often their morbid sense of dread is expressed through interpreting passages from the Bible in a fanciful and self-referential manner. > (2) Decreased or loss of prayer life. Being unable to pray. Actually, they may well turn to fanatical praying to try and summon God to alleviate their morbid dread, and their ideas of reference, which they may recognise as being false in moments of comparative lucidity. When these ideas become hallucinations, particularly auditory ones, they are likely to interpret them as posession by either angels or demons, or the Holy Spirit. > (3) No longer able to either read or discuss the Bible. They often become obsessed with the more morbidly fanatical passages of the Bible, especially Revelation. > Which of these do you believe I exhibit? I think your question has been answered. > > Quite a number of people just on usenet now have told you that you > > are sick and need help. > > None have been qualified to make such a diagnosis in person much less > over usenet. Indeed, I am around folks in various social and church > functions who are more qualified to tell me about such concerns. A good friend of mine, who is the most deeply devout Christian I know, has had two severe episodes of psychosis. I was present when Christian counsellors called on her at her own request during the early stages of her first illness when the only symptom being displayed was Capgras' Syndrome. They discussed God a lot, and prayed for her. The next day she rang me to let me know she was contacting the police about the imposters, and the game 'they' (a diferent they from the impostors, indeed, from what I could gather, 'they' were responsible for replacing people) were playing with her mind through the electricity supply. Two weeks later, shortly after having another attempt at Christian counselling, she was ivnolved in a violent struggle with a frail and elderly close relative, and was arrested in her own home under section 2 of the Mental Health Act 3 days aterwards. Her symptoms were best alleviated by a standard dosage of Sulpiride, but this could only be administered to her for a maximum of six months due to the side effects.She has never been as lucid since and is now permanently on Olanzapine after her second breakdown. This has made her very listless and she is also on an anti-depressant. Andrew B. Chung wrote: > Many of my social and civic contacts are folks who are in the mental > health profession (actually my wife's friends because she is a > psychologist). How many more times are you going to lie, Andy? Your estranged wife is a lawyer. Blind belief in imaginary beings doesn't absolve you from your mistakes, son; get used to it. |
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