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Medical question for Dr. Chung
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Jason Johnson - 14 Jul 2006 16:55 GMT I have a neighbor that has mental problems. She also is about 30 pounds overweight and does not have a proper diet or an exercise program. I noticed a pizza on the counter.
She told me that she is now taking 3 different types of blood pressure medications. I asked her to tell me her cholesterol levels but she did not know those levels or have personal copies of her blood tests and urine tests.
Have you ever prescribed three different blood pressure medications for one patient?
It is dangerous for a patient to take three separate blood pressure medications?
I know from past conversations with her that she will not follow a diet plan or exercise plan since she does not understand the reasons why diet and exercise are important.
Have you ever had such patients? What do you do to treat such patients?
Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Lord, pt. II - 14 Jul 2006 20:05 GMT > I have a neighbor that has mental problems. She also > is about 30 pounds overweight and does not have a proper [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Jason > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would suggest you consult with a cardiologist who actually has hospital admitting privileges and a patient base. Chung's too obsessed with Usenet proselytization to give reasonable medical advice anymore.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Jul 2006 20:38 GMT > I have a neighbor that has mental problems. She also > is about 30 pounds overweight and does not have a proper [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Have you ever prescribed three different blood pressure > medications for one patient? Yes.
> It is dangerous for a patient to take three separate blood > pressure medications? Uncontrolled hypertension would be potentially more dangerous.
> I know from past conversations with her that she will not > follow a diet plan or exercise plan since she does not > understand the reasons why diet and exercise are important. > > Have you ever had such patients? Yes.
> What do you do to treat such patients? Get their families involved.
Teach them all how to lose weight:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
http://TheHealthFair.com
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net
My fasting has helped many overcome their fear of hunger which is the main barrier keeping people from eating less. They now have an encouraging mental image of their doctor not having eaten for many days and yet still possessing great physical strength (from the Holy Spirit).
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Jason Johnson - 14 Jul 2006 21:39 GMT Jason Johnson wrote:
> I have a neighbor that has mental problems. She also > is about 30 pounds overweight and does not have a proper [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Have you ever prescribed three different blood pressure > medications for one patient? Yes.
> It is dangerous for a patient to take three separate blood > pressure medications? Uncontrolled hypertension would be potentially more dangerous.
> I know from past conversations with her that she will not > follow a diet plan or exercise plan since she does not > understand the reasons why diet and exercise are important. > > Have you ever had such patients? Yes.
> What do you do to treat such patients? Get their families involved. Teach them all how to lose weight: http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp http://TheHealthFair.com http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net My fasting has helped many overcome their fear of hunger which is the main barrier keeping people from eating less. They now have an encouraging mental image of their doctor not having eaten for many days and yet still possessing great physical strength (from the Holy Spirit). Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
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Doctor Chung, Thanks for your post. I wish you well. jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Jul 2006 21:49 GMT > Jason Johnson wrote: > > I have a neighbor that has mental problems. She also [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Doctor Chung, > Thanks for your post. You are welcome.
Redirecting your thanks to GOD from Whom all blessings flow.
> I wish you well. Many thanks to GOD for your kind heart, dear Jason.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Al - 14 Jul 2006 22:33 GMT Andrew B. Chung, wrote:
(nonsense directing you to his jesus site)
He lies, why would you trust his medical knowledge?
Andrew B. Chung, wrote:
>>> > > Did not attempt exorcism. >>> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! Steve Marcus - 14 Jul 2006 23:15 GMT > Andrew B. Chung, wrote: > > (nonsense directing you to his jesus site) > > He lies, why would you trust his medical knowledge? Because his medical posts are typically accurate.
> Andrew B. Chung, wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! Steve
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Jason Johnson - 15 Jul 2006 00:40 GMT "Al" <al@nospam.net> wrote in message news:e992k40239l@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Andrew B. Chung, wrote: > > (nonsense directing you to his jesus site) > > He lies, why would you trust his medical knowledge? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve, Excellent point. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Because his medical posts are typically accurate.
> Andrew B. Chung, wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! Steve
Jason Johnson - 15 Jul 2006 00:46 GMT In article <3IUtg.66514$9c6.64136@dukeread11>, "Steve Marcus" <smarcus_spamout_@cox.net> wrote: "Al" <al@nospam.net> wrote in message news:e992k40239l@enews1.newsguy.com... > Andrew B. Chung, wrote: > > (nonsense directing you to his jesus site) > > He lies, why would you trust his medical knowledge?
>> Because his medical posts are typically accurate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Let me try again:
Steve, Excellent point. I respect Dr. Chung and have learned a lot from him over the past two years. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Andrew B. Chung, wrote: >> >>>> > > >>>> > > Did not attempt exorcism. >>>> > > >> Wanna bet, Chung? Here's EXACTLY what you said: >> >> "In the infinitely powerful and holy name of LORD Jesus Christ, I >> command you, demon, to come out and leave Philip before our LORD >> personally destroys you. " >> >> >> Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! > Steve
Al - 15 Jul 2006 13:22 GMT > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Let me try again: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Like the 2 pound scientifically unproven diet that he constantly pushes? Or his advice to fast for 40 days to become "cut"??? Or the recommendations by someone who no hospital will grant admitting priviledges to? Or like the constant off-topic newsgroup spammer who occasionally answers medical questions in one or two words?
If you, or anyone, get your medical advice from a discredited physician on an internet newsgroup, you're in BIG trouble. See your doctor!
Steve Marcus - 15 Jul 2006 14:45 GMT >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Let me try again: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Like the 2 pound scientifically unproven diet that he constantly pushes? If a person limits him/herself to 2 pounds of food daily, (other than the trivial case of eating 2lbs of ice cream, candy, etc.), a person will typically lose weight, particularly an obese person who does not have an underlying medical condition driving the obesity.
The fact is that Chung's advice is sound, and it is valuable because it is easier to simply weigh portions than to worry about the caloric content of a particular portion of food (if a serving is 200 calories, did I measure out a serving correctly, do I have a "little over" and if so, what is the actual caloric content?), etc.
> Or his advice to fast for 40 days to become "cut"??? I know people who have fasted (other than water and an occasional piece of bread and a fruit) for 40 days, and who have become "cut." However, they promptly lost their "physique" when going back to normal food intake. The moral being that as with any diet (including the 2lb diet), it is best to 1) not go to extremes and 2) to exercise concurrently with the diet. BTW, that part about "extremes" does not include limiting the daily intake of food to 2 lbs (of balance, logical food).
> Or the recommendations by someone who no hospital will grant admitting > priviledges to? I wish I had a dollar for everyone that I know who took a principled stand on a given issue, ran afoul of "the powers that be", and ended up in a world of hurt because of it.
> Or like the constant off-topic newsgroup spammer who occasionally answers > medical questions in one or two words? Chung at least puts some on-topic content in his posts. You, on the other hand, do not. You're just posting to see your name on the screen. You otherwise, you have no real message to convey at all.
> If you, or anyone, get your medical advice from a discredited physician on > an internet newsgroup, you're in BIG trouble. See your doctor! LOL. Try thinking, a bit. Who in their right mind takes medical advice from *any doctor*, or from any person that they don't know, via a Usenet group? (For that matter, who in their right mind takes *any* advice on any topic from a stranger posting to Usenet??) Chung's posts contain answers to questions, which answers are a form of medical advice. Such advice should never be followed blindly; it should be a starting point for further inquiry on one's own or to the medical personnel that one has access to.
I've vetted Chung's cardiology related answers a couple of times with the cardiology practices that I use (yes, that's practices, plural), and he has passed with flying colors. I've personally vetted his advice on a number of issues by doing additional research (including the concept of the 2lb diet), and I've not found a single instance of the advice being wrong, outrageously or otherwise. At worst, I've found some instances of the advice being controversial.
Steve
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Al - 15 Jul 2006 15:31 GMT Steve Marcus (Chung's Defense lawyer)wrote:
Blah, Blah, Blah
Puppet.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Jul 2006 17:51 GMT > <snipped> > > Blah, Blah, Blah Reminds me of the Charles Schultz cartoon series children's perspective of adults talking to them.
> Puppet. Calling people names when they disagree with you is rather immature.
Out of curiosity, what is your age and are you still living with your parents ?
Nonetheless, still praying for you, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Al - 15 Jul 2006 20:37 GMT Andrew B. Chung, wrote:
blah, blah, blah
Sorry Chung, I don't answer to LIARS. I'm here to criticize your incessant off-topic, intrusive, idiotic religious posting in a cardiology group.
And you ARE a liar:
Andrew B. Chung, wrote:
>>> > > Did not attempt exorcism. >>> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Jul 2006 02:23 GMT > Andrew B. Chung, wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry Chung, I don't answer to LIARS. You are forgiven as far as I am concerned.
Your bristling at the questions is very telling.
Still praying for you, dear Al.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Steve Marcus - 16 Jul 2006 11:56 GMT >> <snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Out of curiosity, what is your age and are you still living with your > parents ? Probably a teenager. Definitely still living with one or both of his parents.
> Nonetheless, still praying for you, dear neighbor. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth Steve
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Al - 17 Jul 2006 18:54 GMT (blah...blah...blah)
Hey, Steve. Blow me ... right after you finish with Chung. You're a puppet, nothing more.
Why don't you and Chung take this religious dribble to a more appropriate group? Afraid you'll have no audience?
Steve Marcus - 18 Jul 2006 10:21 GMT > (blah...blah...blah) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why don't you and Chung take this religious dribble to a more appropriate > group? Afraid you'll have no audience? As you are aware, it's not my religious drivel. I'm not a Christian.
As for sock puppets, who's post resembles those of a sock puppet more, yours (with zero content beyond a title in caps and the same comments over and over), or mine?
Why don't you move out of your parent's (or parents') house, and get a job??
Steve
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Jul 2006 10:38 GMT > > (blah...blah...blah) > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > As you are aware, it's not my religious drivel. I'm not a Christian. It remains my heartfelt wish that you would accept Christ's offer of salvation, dear Steve whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Hugh Jarse - 18 Jul 2006 11:50 GMT > > > (blah...blah...blah) > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth It remains almost everybodty's heartfelt wish, that you would STFU and FOAD.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Jul 2006 12:59 GMT > > > > (blah...blah...blah) > > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It remains almost everybodty's heartfelt wish, that you would STFU and > FOAD. Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities.
Still praying for you, dear Hugh.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Steve Marcus - 19 Jul 2006 10:22 GMT >> > (blah...blah...blah) >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth And it remains my hearfelt wish that you would eliminate sci.med.cardiology from your posts that are confined to religious content only so as (1) to not offend those who aren't interested and (2) to remove impediments that currently hurt your efforts to make the medical info that you possess available in sci.med.cardiology. If you truly believe in Christ, you would *know* that he would have told you the same thing.
As for Christ's offer of salvation, your message is offensive to me. Do not repeat it to me. There is still time, Andy, for you to accept that he was a man who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew.
Steve
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Jul 2006 11:56 GMT > >> > (blah...blah...blah) > >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And it remains my hearfelt wish that you would eliminate sci.med.cardiology > from your posts that are confined to religious content only Yes, I know that is your heartfelt wish which arises from your belief that Christianity is a religion.
> so as (1) to not offend those who aren't interested This is not rational and compared to many of the other SMC participants, you have expressed an interest in being rational.
Are you truly offended by what does not hold your interest ?
> and (2) to remove impediments that > currently hurt your efforts to make the medical info that you possess > available in sci.med.cardiology. Without the LORD, there would be neither knowledge nor wisdom.
> If you truly believe in Christ, you would *know* that he would have told you the same thing. The Holy Spirit guides me in everything I say, do, and write. Without faith in LORD Jesus Christ, there would be no guidance from the Holy Spirit. May you someday know this, dear friend Steve whom I love in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
> As for Christ's offer of salvation, your message is offensive to me. Following your logic, why are you not interested in eternal life ?
> Do not repeat it to me. Being openly Christian means in part to be a living example of Christ's offer of salvation.
> There is still time, Andy, for you to accept that he was a > man who was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew. In truth, the only man who has ever been able to give up eternal life at the request of another is Christ Jesus, my LORD, my Savior, and my GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
No amount of time will ever make me greater than HIM.
This is the truth. This is what HE is. HE is the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " - LORD Jesus Christ
May you not end up in the same place where Al is headed, dear friend Steve whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen.
If you and others following this are interested in my after death meeting with LORD Jesus Christ on 02/03/1997 and how HE brought me back, call me and leave me a message on how to reach you by phone to give you full on-line access to a true documented account. The phone number is as listed on HeartMDPhD.com.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
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