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Is it time for me to find a new cardiologist
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Javier - 24 Jun 2006 02:14 GMT Here's the story.. I started feeling some slight discomfort in my left bicep last night, so this morning I decided to call my cardiologist and ask them if it was anything to worry about. Now, I knew the discomfort it was probably not an issue since it didn't happen while I was exercising and it came and went when I was simply walking around or standing still. As a matter of fact I just felt it and I'm sitting one the coach with my notebook pc on my lap.
I spoke with his nurse told her what I felt, her reply was that it was probably not cardiac but that the usual procedure is for me to call my PCP and let him know and then he will tell me if I should call the cardiologists office. "In other words don't call us nless your PCP tells you to".
Ok, I could understand if I was walking into their office without a referral from my PCP but I was simply calling them. I've been going to their office for over a year and thought I had a good relationship with them but I guess not.
So, is this the usual thing after a year or is it time for me to move on?
Jeff - 24 Jun 2006 04:35 GMT > Here's the story.. I started feeling some slight discomfort in my left > bicep last night, so this morning I decided to call my cardiologist and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > So, is this the usual thing after a year or is it time for me to move > on? Actually, I think the cardiologist's office was correct in their actions. They are there for your heart problems, not arm muscle problems. If the cardiologist made a mistake because he did not know something about your history or didn't examine you, both you and your primary care doc would be pretty pissed. Likewise, your cardiologist would be pretty pissed if your dermatologist changed your heart medication without talking to your cardiologist.
Your cardiologist's office was just appropriately limiting the scope of his practice to the cardiovascular system, and referring problems that should be handled by the primary care doc back to him.
The cardiologist's office's behavior was correct, assuming they were polite and respectful when they had you go to your primarcy care doc's.
Jeff
outsor@citynet.net - 24 Jun 2006 13:37 GMT Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of finding a new one is to clarify exactly what services when and how delevered is to be expected.
Jeff - 24 Jun 2006 16:37 GMT > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of > finding a new one is to clarify exactly what services when and how > delevered is to be expected. Yeah, but is it fair to expect a cardiologist to know and treat arm problems? Certainly, it was appropriate to call the cardiologist's office because pain radiating to the arm is a sign of cardiac problems, but it is not appropriate to expect him to treat problems that fall into the realm of physical therapists, arthropods or primary care docs.
Jeff
outsor@citynet.net - 24 Jun 2006 15:18 GMT "Yeah, but is it fair to expect a cardiologist to know and treat arm problems? Certainly, it was appropriate to call the cardiologist's office because pain radiating to the arm is a sign of cardiac problems, but it is not appropriate to expect him to treat problems that fall into the realm of physical therapists, arthropods or primary care docs."
A doctor provides purchased services, just like the guy who fixes your car. All informed people know pain in the left arm can be a symptom of a cvd problem. The doc who provides the cvd related consultation was paid to consult thusly. More likely the payment, if any, from the health plan in effect for phone consult is far less then an office visit. The customer gets to decide if services purchased were delivered. The nurse was in no position to detrermine the signifsignificance of the arm pain and a cvd person would not be calling a physical therapist to evaluate cvd implications. If he had called his gp most likely he would have been told to go to the er just to make sure, where a cvd person would be on hand if required; the very service purchased in the first place and for which a full consult fee would then be paid.
Javier - 24 Jun 2006 18:58 GMT Jeff,
The reason I called them was becuase I felt discomfort in my left arm. Had I felt discomfort in my right glute or had an ear ache I would have called my PCP. From my point of view I made the right call. Yet, I feel as if I had called the fire department because I smell smoke and then having the FD tell me to call 411 and ask them what I should do.
Javier
> > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff George - 24 Jun 2006 20:49 GMT You expect the people on this NG to think you honestly don't know (as everyone else knows) that your PCP is supposed to be contacted in such situations? You should consult your PCP first because he/she is better qualified to make medical evaluations than you or a specialist who doesn't know your history, are. Instead, you decided to bypass your PCP and diagnose a possible cardiac event yourself, then you're pissed that the cardiologist, who probably has many demands on his time, didn't treat you like a cardiac case as you "deserved"?
First you made a mistake, now you whine that things didn't work out the way you thought you deserved. Do your busy cardiologist a favor and switch to another provider.
> Jeff, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Jeff Javier - 25 Jun 2006 01:56 GMT George,
First off, no I didn't know I had to touch base with my PCP. If it was something other than my left arm I would have. Perhaps I value my life too much to waste time bouncing from one dr to another. Oh by the way, my pcp told me to call my cardiologist and talk to him, so I did the right thing in the first place.
Perhaps I'm not as banged up as you and thus I don't spend much time in and out of a doctor's office. I didn't make a mistake you idiot, I made a good judgment call you are just too stupid to figure that out.
Secondly, if you can't add anything that is worth while to this posting do us and the rest of the world a favor, call your PCP and ask for something that will take care of your PMS or better yet put a gun in your mouth and blow your brains out.
> You expect the people on this NG to think you honestly don't know (as > everyone else knows) that your PCP is supposed to be contacted in such [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >> > >> Jeff Jeff - 25 Jun 2006 18:36 GMT > George, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my pcp told me to call my cardiologist and talk to him, so I did the > right thing in the first place. I do beleive you made the right call, both figuratively and literally.
One thing that I can see that may lead to a problem in perception of the issue is that you apparantly had pain in the night and waited until the morning to call. I am wondering if the cardiologist's office thought that this is not acute pain and felt that it is unlikely to be heart-related pain. I think this may have been an issue for the cardiologist's office. However, I haven't seen any posts that bring this fact up, so I don't think it entered into our discussion.
I think I am able to understand how you feel. I think you feel that the cardiologist's officed should have done more, like explain why it is unlikely to be heart pain, and why you should contact your PCP again.
On the other hand, I understand how the cardiologist's office feels that if it is not heart pain, you should work with your PCP, because they can't help arm pain if it is not cardiac.
Honestly, I think that the problem is the way the cardiologist's talk to you, which probably should have been more professional.
Jeff
> Perhaps I'm not as banged up as you and thus I don't spend much time in > and out of a doctor's office. I didn't make a mistake you idiot, I [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> >> >> Jeff Jeff - 25 Jun 2006 18:22 GMT > Jeff, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Javier There is no question that calling the cardiologist was the right thing to do. However, I think the cardiologist office responded properly. They told you it is not cardiac in nature. It is like learning that the smoke is from the BBQ next door. There may be zoning violations or health violations, but it is not up to the fire department to determine if that is the case. Or maybe the neighbors should invite you over for some hot dogs or better yet, ribs.
Now, if you think the cardiologist's office didn't ask you all the questions they have or that you should have spoken to the cardiologist, that is a different issue.
Jeff
>> > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of >> > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Jeff Javier - 25 Jun 2006 23:40 GMT Heck, with a cardiac issue it's always best to be cautious and make the call. The one time I don't make the call the the smoke won't be from the BBQ.
> > Jeff, > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >> > >> Jeff Javier - 25 Jun 2006 01:59 GMT I have to disagree wiht you Jeff. If I didn't have any prior history of cardiac problems I would be on your side. However, since I do I felt I was better off asking than calling my PCP only to be told to call my cardiologist.
> > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff Jeff - 25 Jun 2006 18:38 GMT >I have to disagree wiht you Jeff. If I didn't have any prior history of > cardiac problems I would be on your side. However, since I do I felt I > was better off asking than calling my PCP only to be told to call my > cardiologist. Read my reply again. I said it was appropriate for you to call the cardiologist's office.
Jeff
>> > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of >> > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Jeff Javier - 25 Jun 2006 02:00 GMT Remember I didn't asking him to treat my arm, I asked if this is something I should be worried about.
Jav
> > Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff Javier - 24 Jun 2006 18:59 GMT Yup,
I think they are going bye..bye. It's not5 like I call them every day. In a year I've called twice.
> Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of > finding a new one is to clarify exactly what services when and how > delevered is to be expected. Javier - 25 Jun 2006 02:01 GMT Yes, you are right about that. I've noticed an overall decline in the way they treat people so it's time to move on.
> Any of your doctors are paid consultants. If you feel that any one of > them is not producing the services purchased then fire them. Part of > finding a new one is to clarify exactly what services when and how > delevered is to be expected. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Jun 2006 16:23 GMT > Here's the story.. I started feeling some slight discomfort in my left > bicep last night, so this morning I decided to call my cardiologist and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > So, is this the usual thing after a year or is it time for me to move > on? It really depends on your level of dissatisfaction. Noone knows this except you and GOD.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
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