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Christianity - false promises for big losers.

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John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.

Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye receive them and ye shall have
them.

Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.

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suck a cock for christ!!

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     The Failure of Christianity in America
            W. C . Bar well  3-8-05
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Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved quite far to the
right, taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have
fully supported the GOP, as it has moved right to gain support
of christian right wingers. This started when Nixon played
the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/23/172743.shtml

The turn towards Christian conservatives accelerated
under Reagan, who skilfully played the religious card and the
religious right joined the GOP-Reagan revolution that still
is a major influence and has given the GOP control of Congress
for years, especially thanks to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott
who gained control of the Congress, House and Senate in 1995.
So we now have had a essentially a christian-GOP government
for 30 years.

RICHARD M. NIXON  - GERALD FORD.

Christian Americans supported incompetent and corrupt
Vietnamese politicians. And a senseless war in Vietnam
that accomplished nothing, run by incompetents.

Nixon instigated awful and murderous policies as the CIA
run program Phoenix program of assassinations and murder.
Supported the secret bombings in Cambodia that killed
an estimated 600,000  innocent Cambodians.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=cambodia

Winked at the invasion of East Timur and parts of New
Guinea by our allies, the Indonesians.
The Indonesians killed 1/3 of the Timurese over several
decades, mass murder, genocide.  168,000 dead.
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/unverdict.html

Winked at the Greek far right Junta that overthrew the
Greek government.

Supported the murderous far right Brazilian generals who
overthrew that democratically elected government in Brazil.

Supported the mass murdering Argentinian government and
their terroristic "Dirty War" of torture, mass murder
and disappearances.

Supported the murderous Pinochet of Chile, whom the US
helped overthrow Chile's democratically elected government.
No complaints about Pinochet's tortures and killings are
to be heard from Nixon, Reagan, or later Bush or the GOP
leaders of Senate and House.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/chile/index.html

No Christians respected life here. Or freedom.  But supported
Nixon heartily despite the horrors we committed in Vietnam
and Cambodia and Chile and winked at support for others
mentioned above.

RONALD REAGAN 1981 - 1989

Throughout his administration Ronald Reagan supported
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as the official government
of note in Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge delegation
as the official UN delegation of Cambodia to the UN.
Aid is funneled to the Khmer Rouge including $81 million
dollars, and food and uniforms funneled through aid
organizations. Reagan winked as China rearmed Pol Pot,
and leaned on nations not to send aid to Cambodia despite
the devastation of nearly 1/3 of Cambodia's population
killed by Pol Pots genocidal regime.

Early in his administration Reagan lead the GOP in
support for military aid to the genocidal Rios Montt
of Guatemala, who practiced wholesale torture, rape
and genocide on the Mayan Indians of Guatemala.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/march99/guatemala11.htm

Reagan and the GOP supported the mass murdering ex-Somoza
Guards of Nicaragua.

Reagan and the GOP supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq.

Reagan and the GOP supported the murderous Robert
D'Aubisson  of El Salvador, a known far right death
squad leader.

The El Salvadoran government was involved in numerous
murders, and massacres, such as the killing of 400
villagers at a small village called El Mezote, most
of them young women and children.
http://www.usip.org/library/tc/doc/reports/el_salvador/tc_es_03151993_chron1.html

Reagan and the GOP supported Noriega of Panama.

Reagan and the GOP supported a number of murdering
far right extremist guerrilla movements in Africa including
the genocidal RENAMO in Mozambique.

The Christian and religious right heavily supported Reagan
and the GOP despite numerous examples of such evils as
listed above. The leader of the religious right never cared
nor complained, neither did the religious leaders of the
main stream christian denominations.

There was and is no respect for life in American
christianity as these wholesale and repeat failures of
America christianity collectively over 20 years shows.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Bush continued support for the evil dictators above,
including Pinochet, Pol Pot and others. However,
Saddam screwed us and invaded Iraq, mainly because
Bush screwed up and did not warn him to not do so
as Hussein repeatedly threatened to invade Kuwait
for nearly two months and coolly noted Bush's lack
of much response.

Bush did not act in case of genocide by Yugoslavia's
Milosevic, and Bush and the GOP's loud and obnoxious
foot-dragging here allowed Milosevic to kill
hundreds of thousands with near impunity.

The leaders of the GOP, House and Senate, and religious
leaders of the right and mainstream denominations never
cared about any of this.

In the Desert Storm war, Bush allowed the US air
force to bomb Iraq's water and sewer systems and
dams.  A war crime as per Geneva conventions and
othere conventions the US signed.

The US placed sanctions on Iraq that made it impossible
to keep their water supplies safe resulting in numerous
deaths that eventually would total over 500,000 dead
Iraqi civilians, mostly children.
Our government coldly calculated that these sanctions would
indeed would cause mass epidemics and mass death, and did
it anyway.

Thomas Nagy, a California college professor used the FOIA
statutes to obtain these documents that were published
in September 2001 in the Progressive Magazine.
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html

No Christian leaders of either far right or mainstream
cared nor brought Bush and the GOP leadership of House
and Senate to task for this genocide of innocents.

Clinton:
Under Clinton this policy continued. Again, Christians did
not care. All Christians cared about was Clinton's
don't-ask-don't-tell gays in military policy and Clinton's
sex life and Whitewater. $47 million spent investigating
Whitewater while the Christian right roared with naked hate.
Money spent investigation mass murder in Iraq caused by
our purposeful by our sanctions? $0.
Roars of disprovable from Christian America over these mass
murders? None.

What has 30 years of right winged GOP government and right
winger christianity got us? Mass murder, genocide,
Nothing but callousness, disregard for human life,
a near total moral failure of religion, Christianity,
GOP and the American right.

Not once did religious christian Americans, either
leadership or rank and file ever find any of these
evils unacceptable or punish any who supported any
of this.  Not the christian right nor leaders of
major US religious denominations.

Most GOP House and Senate members were people who
did these things claimed to be christians. Not one
cares, not a christian cares they did not care or act.
Many of those who presided over these massive moral
failures still hold office in the US Congress and
Senate, leaders and ran and file. Almost all claim
to be christians.

30 years of failure.  30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.

Christians posture as moral, American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocidal monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.

(End)

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
cannot be my disciple."
    -Jesus, Luke 14:26

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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division

The Bush 'balanced' budget:           2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy:        12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie:            -2473 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush f.ck up my country:             Worthless

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"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
          -duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
           year old mateless, heirless biological failure
           of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
           out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
           despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry

Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:

http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816

Matthew 18:20 ? Gee, he's a bit late getting in, I though he would have arrived by 14:20 at least...

And where I am, then never the twain shall them there want the there
over yonder hither then I shall them with all the there and strawberry
jam with what you can do yonder hither there then volkswagen
fornication for the I am and we shall be all in one of those.
Joe Bloggs 14:52.6

Sockpuppets don't count

Like at Jonestown with the purple koolaid, or at Wako with the pedophile
disciple.

Or in the Catholic church, over the centuries, with pedophilia and
institutional coverup.... the hand of false gods be upon you...

People like chung are a bunch of sick little troublemakers.

Let me put it this way:

Let's say Bob Newhart agreed to join any group of two or
more people who got together in his name. Is it your
position that people would never gather simply for the
thrill of spending a little time with a celebrity, or are you
claiming that, even if they did, there would be something
inherently "Moral" or "Religious" in their actions?

'Cus, you know, I'm willing to bet that if being in the
presence of a sitcom actor is a big enough draw for a
lot of people, the promise of a deity would represent
something of a larger draw.

Later we can explore our view of people who believe they've
gained some fame or importance of their own, vicariously,
through their proximity to a celebrity...