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Why is poor Dr. Chung being "persecuted"?

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Ace Berserker - 24 Apr 2006 01:25 GMT
"Chris" (riiight)  poses the question:

>What amazes me is WHY they are venting their hatred against Dr Chung -
is it because he represents an entity that they're afraid to meet at
the end of their lives?

Pay attention. I'll run it by you one more time.

Dr. Chung has been asked literally hundreds of times to stop
crossposting off-topic religious diatribes in several newsgroups.
Exactly what connection there is between global earthquake advisories
and rec.food.cooking recipe swapping is unknown; the same goes for
folks who come to the diabetes or cardiology NGs looking to correspond
with others who have similar conditions and concerns.

Dr. Chung has consistently (and in my opinion, cavalierly) refused to
heed the requests of numerous posters to cease and desist - brushing
them off with his pious verbal flipoff "please forgive me for my
iniquities", and then proceeding to display appallingly bad netiquette
by repeating the offense time and time again.

As has been mentioned and archived here, Dr. Chung has used no less
than16 e-mail addresses; some have been banned by Google Groups for TOS
abuses, and yet he persists. He appears to feel he is on some sort of
mission; when people take him to task for crossposting and changing his
numerous e-mail addresses with the deliberate intention (IMO) of
escaping the abundance of killfiles he inhabits, he views this as a
challenge to his Christianity (a wildly paranoid assumption), and so
the snowball continues.

I can't speak for others, but I DO NOT have a problem with whatever he
chooses to believe in, be it Jesus or Satan or the Easter Bunny or
whatever (my family is RC, but I got over it when I reached puberty).
However, when he FORCES me (et al.)  to deal with his
more-than-slightly warped take on Christanity by wallpapering NGs I
happen to enjoy reading with his rants, I DO have a problem with it.

"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him...." (TWOK)

But, you already knew this, er, "Chris"....
Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 02:13 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Ace Berserker in episode
<1145838336.805457.99360@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>...

> I can't speak for others, but I DO NOT have a problem with whatever he
> chooses to believe in, be it Jesus or Satan or the Easter Bunny or
> whatever (my family is RC, but I got over it when I reached puberty).
> However, when he FORCES me (et al.)  to deal with his more-than-slightly
> warped take on Christanity by wallpapering NGs I happen to enjoy reading
> with his rants, I DO have a problem with it.

He engages in *rampant and damn arrogant Usenet abuse. I do get very tired
of providers that don't enforce AUPs...

Signature

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--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 02:18 GMT
> Chris wrote:
>
> >What amazes me is WHY they are venting their hatred against Dr Chung

Their hatred is not for me but for LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

"When they hate you, remember they hated ME first." -- LORD Jesus Christ

> > is it because he represents an entity that they're afraid to meet at
> > the end of their lives?

They are afraid of being judged by LORD Jesus Christ.

Without the LORD, there is only fear and despair as is clearly evident
in what is written by aptly-named "Ace Berserker" (Someone goes berserk
becoming a "berserker" because of extreme fear) below:

> Pay attention. I'll run it by you one more time.
>
> Dr. Chung has been asked literally hundreds of times to stop
> crossposting off-topic religious diatribes in several newsgroups.
> Exactly what connection there is between global earthquake advisories
> and rec.food.cooking recipe swapping is unknown;

LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth, is the One Who ties
everything together...

... HE is the Unified Field Theory that Albert Einstein sought but never
found.

Einstein came close when he wrote, "I can not believe that GOD rolls
dice."  So close... and yet so far.

Not only does GOD roll dice... HE made and controls the dice.

"The lot (dice) is cast into the lap, but its every decision comes from
the LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen and amen !

Still praying for you, dear neighbor whom I love in Jesus' most amazing,
most awesome, most victorious, and most holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and ASD that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or diabetes.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

Ace Berserker - 24 Apr 2006 02:22 GMT
> > Chris wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Not only does GOD roll dice... HE made and controls the dice.

And, just like clockwork, here he is trying to hijack a thread
discussing his abhorrent Usenet abuses with more abuse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 03:00 GMT
> > > Chris wrote:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> And, just like clockwork, here he is trying to hijack a thread
> discussing his abhorrent Usenet abuses with more abuse

Sorry this discussion bothers you so terribly.  Please forgive all my
iniquities.

Still praying for you, dear neighbor whom I love in Jesus' invincible
and most holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and ASD that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or diabetes.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

Ace Berserker - 24 Apr 2006 03:23 GMT
> > And, just like clockwork, here he is trying to hijack a thread
> > discussing his abhorrent Usenet abuses with more abuse
>
> Sorry this discussion bothers you so terribly.  Please forgive all my
> iniquities.

Another hijack attempt. Andy just can't stand rational discussion of
his provable offenses.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 05:00 GMT
> > > And, just like clockwork, here he is trying to hijack a thread
> > > discussing his abhorrent Usenet abuses with more abuse
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Another hijack attempt.

Without the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Still praying for you, dear neighbor whom I love in Jesus' most awesome
and holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and ASD that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or diabetes.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

R. Pierce Butler - 24 Apr 2006 10:16 GMT
"Ace Berserker" <redjac2006@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1145845438.337139.143200
@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> iniquities

Andy doesn't know the meaning of the word.

1 : gross injustice : WICKEDNESS
2 : a wicked act or thing : SIN

www.m-w.com

No, I will not forgive his iniquities until he stops comitting them and no
one else will either.  
Denis Loubet - 24 Apr 2006 04:26 GMT
>> > > Chris wrote:
(snip)

> Sorry this discussion bothers you so terribly.  Please forgive all my
> iniquities.

No. Only if you repent of your iniquities and cease performing them, will
anyone even consider forgiving you.

Signature

Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 05:23 GMT
> >> > > Chris wrote:
> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> No. Only if you repent of your iniquities and cease performing them, will
> anyone even consider forgiving you.

And so the LORD will judge your unrepentence by the same measure.

Still praying for you, dear Denis whom I love in Jesus' most awesome and
holy name.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Denis Loubet - 24 Apr 2006 09:38 GMT
>> >> > > Chris wrote:
>> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> And so the LORD will judge your unrepentence by the same measure.

But we're not talking about me, we're talking about you.

Signature

Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 11:58 GMT
> >> >> > > Chris wrote:
> >> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> But we're not talking about me, we're talking about you.

Actually, we a discussing the LORD Who is omniscient.

Still praying for you, dear Denis whom I love in Jesus' most precious
and holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and ASD that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or atheism.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 16:09 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Denis Loubet in episode
<G8-dnTWkKfAIE9HZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@io.com>...

>>> >> > > Chris wrote:
>>> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> But we're not talking about me, we're talking about you.

But didn't you know? He *is god! So you already been judged!

(So there)

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 04:42 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
<444C314F.1D3C7A99@heartmdphd.com>...

>> > > Chris wrote:
>> > >
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Sorry this discussion bothers you so terribly.  

Your violation of Usenet rules and conventions and your utter lack of
regard for anyone other than yourself is what bothers people.

>Please forgive all my
> iniquities.

No.

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 05:31 GMT
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <444C314F.1D3C7A99@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> Your violation of Usenet rules and conventions and your utter lack of
> regard for anyone other than yourself is what bothers people.

This discussion and advisory remains lawful for any unmoderated USENET
newsgroup.

Still praying for you, dear Mark whom I love in Jesus' invincible and
most holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

Don Kirkman - 24 Apr 2006 19:45 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <444C551D.59A6273B@heartmdphd.com>:

[. . .]

>> Your violation of Usenet rules and conventions and your utter lack of
>> regard for anyone other than yourself is what bothers people.

>This discussion and advisory remains lawful for any unmoderated USENET
>newsgroup.

Lawfulness does not substitute for moral and ethical behavior.
Signature

Don Kirkman

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 01:22 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <444C551D.59A6273B@heartmdphd.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Lawfulness does not substitute for moral and ethical behavior.

Authority as manifested in laws comes from GOD.

All other attempts to garner authority are the works of mortals who
covet GOD's righteousness.

Truth is simple.

Still praying for you, dear Don whom I love in Jesus' most awesome and
holy name.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Don Kirkman - 25 Apr 2006 22:42 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <444D6BC9.369ECDEB@heartmdphd.com>:

>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> article <444C551D.59A6273B@heartmdphd.com>:

>> [. . .]

>> >> Your violation of Usenet rules and conventions and your utter lack of
>> >> regard for anyone other than yourself is what bothers people.

>> >This discussion and advisory remains lawful for any unmoderated USENET
>> >newsgroup.

>> Lawfulness does not substitute for moral and ethical behavior.

>Authority as manifested in laws comes from GOD.

Actually, if you read the US Constitution, you'll note that after due
consideration the Founding Fathers declared that in America authority
comes from duly elected officials.  Most other countries have similar
provision for the preeminence of civil law.  Those who have not or do
not generally rank among the most repressive and tyrannical.

And, by the way, lawfulness does not substitute for moral and ethical
behavior.
Signature

Don Kirkman

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Apr 2006 08:37 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <444D6BC9.369ECDEB@heartmdphd.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> consideration the Founding Fathers declared that in America authority
> comes from duly elected officials.

LORD GOD Almighty controls elections by anonymous ballot.

"The lot is cast into the lap, however its every decision comes from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Still praying for you, dear Don whom I love in Jesus' invincible,
infinitely powerful, and most holy name.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 20:34 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
<444C551D.59A6273B@heartmdphd.com>...

>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <444C314F.1D3C7A99@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> This discussion and advisory remains lawful for any unmoderated USENET
> newsgroup.

You are in violation of multiple FAQs, charters, and Usenet conventions.
But since you are so self-absorbed and so convinced of your status as god,
you don't care about anybody or anything else.

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Apr 2006 11:55 GMT
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <444C551D.59A6273B@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> You are in violation of multiple FAQs, charters, and Usenet conventions.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Still praying for you, dear Mark whom I love in Jesus' most awesome and
holy name.

"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal Atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
seeing the risen Jesus Christ.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ

In truth, I most assuredly know the LORD to be kind, just and right.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(05/04/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Hugh Jarse - 24 Apr 2006 07:45 GMT
> > > > Chris wrote:
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> > > ... HE is the Unified Field Theory that Albert Einstein sought but never
> > > found.

Got scientific proof of that?

> > > Einstein came close when he wrote, "I can not believe that GOD rolls
> > > dice."  So close... and yet so far.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Sorry this discussion bothers you so terribly.  Please forgive all my
> iniquities.

I'm sure Satan has a special torture pit reserved for those who make
false apologies.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 11:29 GMT
> > > > > Chris wrote:
> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Got scientific proof of that?

Yes.

For this reason, LORD Jesus Christ is HIMSELF the Unified Field Law.

Still praying for you, dear Hugh whom I love in Jesus' invincible,
infinitely powerful, and most holy name.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

Hugh Jarse - 24 Apr 2006 13:56 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, "MD/PhD" - a sort of failed inverted Turing machine
experiment - wrote:
> > > > > ... HE is the Unified Field Theory that Albert Einstein sought but never
> > > > > found.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> For this reason, LORD Jesus Christ is HIMSELF the Unified Field Law.

Thank you for that. You just proved at least three things that you
wished to hide from everyone. I shall beat you about the head with them
shortly.

Oh, and READ Ecclesiastes before you cite it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Apr 2006 13:25 GMT
> Andrew B. Chung, "MD/PhD" - a sort of failed inverted Turing machine
> experiment - wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> Thank you for that.

You are welcome.

However, it remains my choice to redirect all thanks and praises to the
LORD, Who is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom, and Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind and strength.

Still praying for you, dear Hugh whom I love in the holy name of GOD's
one and only Son, Jesus.

"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal Atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
seeing the risen Jesus Christ.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ

In truth, I most assuredly know the LORD to be kind, just and right.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(05/04/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 02:32 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
<444C2889.3D4F4044@heartmdphd.com>...

>> Chris wrote:
>>
>> >What amazes me is WHY they are venting their hatred against Dr Chung
>
> Their hatred is not for me but for LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I love with all
> my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

No, it's you.

Of course, this is what you want. You need to pump up your pathetic ego by
pretending people are "persecuting" you. So you go around Usenet, making
an a.s of yourself, violating every FAQ and charter you can find, and
provoking people.

You don't love anybody but yourself.

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 03:00 GMT
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <444C2889.3D4F4044@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> No, it's you.

That's not what I discern.

Still praying for you, dear Mark whom I love in Jesus' invincible and
most holy name.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 04:23 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
<444C314B.ECF859B7@heartmdphd.com>...

>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <444C2889.3D4F4044@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> That's not what I discern.

Well, you're wrong.

(You must be used to that)

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 05:23 GMT
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <444C314B.ECF859B7@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Well, you're wrong.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Still praying for you, dear Mark whom I love in Jesus' most glorious and
holy name.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Mark K. Bilbo - 24 Apr 2006 12:27 GMT
Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
<444C52CE.30E67191@heartmdphd.com>...

>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <444C314B.ECF859B7@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

SQUAWK!!!! ANDY WANTS A CRACKER!!! SQUAWK!!!!

Signature

Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------

"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"

(Took them long enough)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC

"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC

"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com

The Chief Instigator - 24 Apr 2006 07:48 GMT
>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <444C2889.3D4F4044@heartmdphd.com>...

>> >> Chris wrote:

>> >> >What amazes me is WHY they are venting their hatred against Dr Chung

>> > Their hatred is not for me but for LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I love with all
>> > my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

>> No, it's you.

>That's not what I discern.

Of course not - since you're a dishonest and delusional fraud, beyond any
reasonable doubt.  Do as your book tells you to do.  You're not wanted in
alt.atheism, so slap the dust off what's left of your head and take a
hike...preferably down a one-way trail that leads you to a high cliff.

Signature

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      chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php  (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
              LAST GAME: Houston 3, Peoria 2 (OT) (April 22)
           NEXT GAME: Monday, April 24 at Peoria, 7:05 (Game 3)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 11:29 GMT
> >> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> >> <444C2889.3D4F4044@heartmdphd.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Of course not.

Correct.

Still praying for you, dear Patrick whom I love in Jesus' most awesome
and holy name.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah
40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how
to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the
catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon,
the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into
the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by
all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know.  It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7.  Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this
message.

At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep
magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:

http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz

Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at
2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7
Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in
Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3).  A parallel solar
eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which
is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a
possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment
of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal
(Revelation 6:12-17):

http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl

http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x

http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m

http://tinyurl.com/ohyke

It is possible that Tehran is the physical representation on this globe
of the spirit of Babylon, which is "the great city that rules over the
kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

http://tinyurl.com/lxd82

Indeed, using the letters from "Babylon the Great" (Revelation 17:5),
one can form the phrase "At Tehran by Globe."

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6
that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please
visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://tinyurl.com/kern8

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and ASD that are its initial recipients,
would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism,
and/or diabetes.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
Signature

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/

panamfloyd@hotmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 02:34 GMT
> "Chris" (riiight)  poses the question:
>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> But, you already knew this, er, "Chris"....

Very well said. Usually, I'd snip a little when only adding one line.
But this time I'll leave the whole message so that everyone can read it
again.

-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Department of Telepropaganda
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
R. Pierce Butler - 24 Apr 2006 02:48 GMT
> "Chris" (riiight)  poses the question:
>
>>What amazes me is WHY they are venting their hatred against Dr Chung -
> is it because he represents an entity that they're afraid to meet at
> the end of their lives?

Chung is being "persecuted" because he decided that he does not have to
abide by agreed upon conventions.  He is "special" and does not have to be
a decent and upright fellow.  He is also mentally ill.

as far as the "entity" goes, there isn't one so why would anyone be afraid
of something that isn't there?  Are you afraid of the boogie man that hides
under your bed and in your closet?  
 
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