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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 20 Apr 2006 17:00 GMT
Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?
William Wagner - 20 Apr 2006 17:47 GMT
> Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?

I don't  think so however they may have a mold or spore toxin that  can
do us harm.

http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/aflatoxin.php

Bon appetite !

Bill

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2006 19:38 GMT
> Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?

No.  However, the fat/oil content is very high so that this could still
raise cholesterol if they are eaten in excess.

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 00:18 GMT
Thanks...as always.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Apr 2006 01:31 GMT
> Thanks...as always.

You are welcome.

Redirecting all thanks and praises to the LORD, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

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Kumar - 21 Apr 2006 04:23 GMT
> > Thanks...as always.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> Redirecting all thanks and praises to the LORD, Whom I love with all my
> heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

Walnut is said to good for heart and improving lipid profile. Is it ok?
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 07:01 GMT
what is truly OK is everything has to be taken in moderation.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Apr 2006 10:00 GMT
> > > Thanks...as always.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Walnut is said to good for heart and improving lipid profile. Is it ok?

It is written that we become unclean not by what we but in our mouths
but what comes out of our mouths by way of our tongues.

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Kumar - 23 Apr 2006 14:16 GMT
> > > > Thanks...as always.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> It is written that we become unclean not by what we but in our mouths
> but what comes out of our mouths by way of our tongues.

Then, How to trust anyone? So reasonable self understanding may be
must.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 00:03 GMT
> > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Then, How to trust anyone?

By placing our faith in the LORD, Who knows what is in the hearts of
all.

> So reasonable self understanding may be
> must.

Dying to self is a must.

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Kumar - 24 Apr 2006 09:25 GMT
> > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> By placing our faith in the LORD, Who knows what is in the hearts of
> all.
Yes but LORD might had taught/prescribed to us HIS system, right and
wrong etc. and may want from us to go according to those teachings by
least bothering HIM. Ok logically?
> > So reasonable self understanding may be
> > must.
>
> Dying to self is a must.
??
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 11:58 GMT
> > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> wrong etc. and may want from us to go according to those teachings by
> least bothering HIM. Ok logically?

LORD Jesus Christ is our Shepherd.

Shepherds are not absent.

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Kumar - 24 Apr 2006 16:20 GMT
> > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Shepherds are not absent.

Still some free will or movement, eating etc. is given..no dout with in
ome limit of area.

> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 01:22 GMT
> > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Still some free will or movement, eating etc. is given..no dout with in
> ome limit of area.

Yes, the free will gets us in trouble and keeps our Shepherd busy :-)

That's one of many reasons why we love HIM.

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Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 05:33 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> That's one of many reasons why we love HIM.

But if our free wills are according to HIS prescribed system(Balance,
homostatis etc), then HE can be more happy with us...as not disturbing
HIM.
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 10:58 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> homostatis etc), then HE can be more happy with us...as not disturbing
> HIM.

One is not disturbed by the ones whom you love.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
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the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 11:09 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> One is not disturbed by the ones whom you love.

Yes, good thoughts.
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 14:12 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Yes, good thoughts.

The LORD is kind, just, and right.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
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willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 16:24 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> The LORD is kind, just, and right.

What can we do for HIM by which HE can be happy and love us?

> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 16:43 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> What can we do for HIM by which HE can be happy and love us?

Choose to open our hearts to HIM.  It is written that the LORD is
knocking on the doors of our hearts and will enter when invited.

John 3:16

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 16:55 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> John 3:16

Whether LORD is "prime force"?
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Peabody - 26 Apr 2006 00:25 GMT
Excuse me for interrupting.

Dr. Chung, could you please search the medical literature and tell
me whether there are any studies on the atherogenicity of peanuts or
peanut oil in humans?   I would appreciate it.

Or, is it generally believed by cardiologists that peanuts are bad
for humans for that reason?

Thanks
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Apr 2006 10:18 GMT
> Excuse me for interrupting.
>
> Dr. Chung, could you please search the medical literature and tell
> me whether there are any studies on the atherogenicity of peanuts or
> peanut oil in humans?   I would appreciate it.

There are none that I am aware of.

> Or, is it generally believed by cardiologists that peanuts are bad
> for humans for that reason?

No.

> Thanks

You are welcome.

It would be my choice to redirect all thanks to the LORD, Whom I love
with all my being.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal
(Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST,
LORD willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
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Kumar - 27 Apr 2006 11:33 GMT
Following site gives detailed contents in peanuts. Other constituents
esp. Mg may be evauled for other effects than just its fats
contents.http://www.peanutsusa.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.page&pid=64
Don Kirkman - 21 Apr 2006 08:22 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote in article
<1145548855.648652.198390@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?

I think that was answered a year or more again.  Nope, peanuts, being
vegetable matter, contain no cholesterol, which is only in animal fats.

Were you the one that asked last year, too?
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 12:01 GMT
Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be
more authoritative.
Al - 21 Apr 2006 20:39 GMT
> Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be
> more authoritative.

If you take anything Chunky says as authoritative, you ate too many peanuts.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 02:56 GMT
then what is yours and how is it different from Dr. Chung's?
Don Kirkman - 21 Apr 2006 23:57 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote in article
<1145617273.186940.235680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be
>more authoritative.

Your option, of course, but he didn't make the fundamental distinction I
did between vegetable (non-cholesterol) and animal (cholesterol) fats;
you *did* ask "do they **have** cholesterol."

His actually nonresponsive answer is about the body producing
cholesterol, not about what products contain cholesterol.

Nevertheless, in this age of free will and loss of scientific rigor, be
my guest.  :-)
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 02:55 GMT
He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it
may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess.  I suppose this is not a
luke warm answer. No?
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 08:18 GMT
: He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it
: may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess.  I suppose this is not a
: luke warm answer. No?

Chung is nuts and does not know. Actually peanut consumption is beneficial
for cardiovascular disease risk factors, including serum lipids. Just look
at the Harvard meta-analysis below.

However, I do agree with Bill how pointed out that peanuts often contain
mold - more specifically, aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I
think that many other nuts are safer than peanuts.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Curr Atheroscler Rep. 1999 Nov;1(3):204-9.

Nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease: a review of
epidemiologic evidence.

Hu FB, Stampfer MJ.

Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, 665 Huntington
Avenue, Boston, MA 02115, USA.

Traditionally nuts have been perceived as an unhealthy food because of their
high fat content. However, recent accumulative evidence suggests that
frequent consumption of nuts may be protective against coronary heart
disease (CHD). So far, five large prospective cohort studies (the Adventist
Health Study, the Iowa Women Health Study, the Nurses' Health Study, the
Physicians' Health Study, and the CARE Study) have examined the relation
between nut consumption and the risk of CHD and all have found an inverse
association. In addition, several clinical studies have observed beneficial
effects of diets high in nuts (including walnuts, peanuts, almonds, and
other nuts) on blood lipids. The beneficial effects of nut consumption
observed in clinical and epidemiologic studies underscore the importance of
distinguishing different types of fat. Most fats in nuts are mono- and
polyunsaturated fats that lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level.
Based on the data from the Nurses' Health Study, we estimated that
substitution of the fat from 1 ounce of nuts for equivalent energy from
carbohydrate in an average diet was associated with a 30% reduction in CHD
risk and the substitution of nut fat for saturated fat was associated with
45% reduction in risk. Given the strong scientific evidence for the
beneficial effects of nuts, it seems justifiable to move nuts to a more
prominent place in the United States Department of Agriculture Food Guide
Pyramid. Regular nut consumption can be recommended in the context of a
healthy and balanced diet. PMID: 11122711

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 09:13 GMT
Everything should be taken in moderation.
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 09:43 GMT
fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Everything should be taken in moderation.

So why do you ask, if you pretend to know the answer?

--
Juhana
Al - 22 Apr 2006 12:58 GMT
> fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Juhana

Because he's a TROLL.
Because he "forgot" that peanuts contain NO cholesterol.
Because he enjoys his 15 minutes.
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 13:21 GMT
:: fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
::
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
: Because he "forgot" that peanuts contain NO cholesterol.
: Because he enjoys his 15 minutes.

That's it. I forgot that trolls exist.

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loxipooch@yahoo.com.au - 22 Apr 2006 13:00 GMT
> : He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it
> : may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess.  I suppose this is not a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> mold - more specifically, aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I
> think that many other nuts are safer than peanuts.

> Juhana

You really don't want to ask any medical questions here as these
so-called cardiologists have lost all their credibility - just remember
their names for any future reference, though Dr Chung seems to give
reasonably sensible answers and is straight to the point.
Peabody - 22 Apr 2006 17:01 GMT
Juhana Harju says...

> Actually peanut consumption is beneficial for
> cardiovascular disease risk factors, including serum
> lipids. Just look at the Harvard meta-analysis below.

> However, I do agree with Bill how pointed out that
> peanuts often contain mold - more specifically,
> aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I think
> that many other nuts are safer than peanuts.

I know that the study you quoted lumped peanuts together
with true (i.e. - tree) nuts like walnuts, pecans, almonds,
etc.  But it has been my understanding for some time that
peanuts have been demonstrated to be highly atherogenic in
a variety of animals.  That means they promote plaque
buildup despite being high in monounsaturates, which should
produce the opposite result.

I have never seen a study of the atherogenic effects of
peanuts on humans, but I believe that many nutritionists
recommmend against eating peanuts, or cooking with peanut
oil, on the assumption that what's true for animals may also
be true for humans.

I wonder if anyone has seen or heard of any study that might
settle this issue with regard to humans.  If peanuts can be
exonerated, that would be nice.  Almonds are about $6.50 a
pound now.  Peanuts are still maybe one-third of that.
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 17:34 GMT
> Juhana Harju says...
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> oil, on the assumption that what's true for animals may also
> be true for humans.

Yes, I believe if you do a Medline search for "lectins AND
atherosclerosis" you'll find them.  I know that I once did, and found
quite a lot.

As to cost; Trader Joes has the absolute all time best tasting roasted
almonds I've ever eaten, and they're cheap.

Susan
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 17:42 GMT
> Yes, I believe if you do a Medline search for "lectins AND
> atherosclerosis" you'll find them.  I know that I once did, and found
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Susan

Here's what "peanuts AND atherogenicity" turned up.  Primate, but not
human studies.  But enough evidence that walnuts, pecans, almonds,
hazelnuts, brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, etc. are a much better bet, in
my estimation.

My husband has a two jar a week habit, almost, so this has always been
of concern to me, even ignoring aflatoxins.

Susan
Joe Doe - 22 Apr 2006 21:38 GMT
> As to cost; Trader Joes has the absolute all time best tasting roasted
> almonds I've ever eaten, and they're cheap.
>
> Susan

Does anybody know the relative advantage/disadvantage of roasted vs raw
nuts?  Is there a downside to roasted nuts?

Roland
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 21:47 GMT
> Does anybody know the relative advantage/disadvantage of roasted vs raw
> nuts?  

Yeah, the raw ones taste like sh.t and I won't eat them.  YMMV, of
course.  ;-)

>>Is there a downside to roasted nuts?

Only if you're a man.

Susan
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 06 May 2006 16:31 GMT
Joe,

Roasted nuts or coffee likely cause constipation and pimples.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Apr 2006 09:19 GMT
> He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it
> may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess.

Correct.

> I suppose this is not a
> luke warm answer. No?

A truthful answer, dear Francis Poon.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev.
6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD
willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kumar - 22 Apr 2006 08:29 GMT
> Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?Summary

""For the vast majority of people, nuts are nutritious,
health-promoting foods. When eaten in moderation (25-50 grams per
day, a small handful) as part of a varied, nutritious diet, they may
assist in reducing the risk of heart disease and diabetes, without
contributing to weight gain. Peanuts, which are technically
'legumes' rather than nuts, have similar nutritional composition
and health effects to those of 'real' nuts. Coconuts, which
technically are also not 'nuts', do not have the same types of fats
as true nuts, and may not confer the same health benefits. For people
who are allergic to a particular nut (or group of nuts), any exposure
to those nuts is potentially very dangerous. Because nuts are generally
very rich in fat, it is important to substitute nuts for other, less
health-promoting foods, rather than simply add them to the diet.

http://www.nutritionaustralia.org/Food_Facts/FAQ/faq_nuts.asp ""
 
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