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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 20 Apr 2006 17:00 GMT Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?
William Wagner - 20 Apr 2006 17:47 GMT > Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol? I don't think so however they may have a mold or spore toxin that can do us harm.
http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/aflatoxin.php
Bon appetite !
Bill
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Apr 2006 19:38 GMT > Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol? No. However, the fat/oil content is very high so that this could still raise cholesterol if they are eaten in excess.
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 00:18 GMT Thanks...as always.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Apr 2006 01:31 GMT > Thanks...as always. You are welcome.
Redirecting all thanks and praises to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
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Kumar - 21 Apr 2006 04:23 GMT > > Thanks...as always. > > You are welcome. > > Redirecting all thanks and praises to the LORD, Whom I love with all my > heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) Walnut is said to good for heart and improving lipid profile. Is it ok?
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 07:01 GMT what is truly OK is everything has to be taken in moderation.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Apr 2006 10:00 GMT > > > Thanks...as always. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Walnut is said to good for heart and improving lipid profile. Is it ok? It is written that we become unclean not by what we but in our mouths but what comes out of our mouths by way of our tongues.
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Kumar - 23 Apr 2006 14:16 GMT > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It is written that we become unclean not by what we but in our mouths > but what comes out of our mouths by way of our tongues. Then, How to trust anyone? So reasonable self understanding may be must.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 00:03 GMT > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Then, How to trust anyone? By placing our faith in the LORD, Who knows what is in the hearts of all.
> So reasonable self understanding may be > must. Dying to self is a must. Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing:
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Kumar - 24 Apr 2006 09:25 GMT > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > By placing our faith in the LORD, Who knows what is in the hearts of > all. Yes but LORD might had taught/prescribed to us HIS system, right and wrong etc. and may want from us to go according to those teachings by least bothering HIM. Ok logically?
> > So reasonable self understanding may be > > must. > > Dying to self is a must. ??
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Apr 2006 11:58 GMT > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > wrong etc. and may want from us to go according to those teachings by > least bothering HIM. Ok logically? LORD Jesus Christ is our Shepherd.
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Kumar - 24 Apr 2006 16:20 GMT > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Shepherds are not absent. Still some free will or movement, eating etc. is given..no dout with in ome limit of area.
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 01:22 GMT > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Still some free will or movement, eating etc. is given..no dout with in > ome limit of area. Yes, the free will gets us in trouble and keeps our Shepherd busy :-)
That's one of many reasons why we love HIM.
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Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 05:33 GMT > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > That's one of many reasons why we love HIM. But if our free wills are according to HIS prescribed system(Balance, homostatis etc), then HE can be more happy with us...as not disturbing HIM.
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 10:58 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > homostatis etc), then HE can be more happy with us...as not disturbing > HIM. One is not disturbed by the ones whom you love.
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Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 11:09 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > One is not disturbed by the ones whom you love. Yes, good thoughts.
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 14:12 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Yes, good thoughts. The LORD is kind, just, and right.
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Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 16:24 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > The LORD is kind, just, and right. What can we do for HIM by which HE can be happy and love us?
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Apr 2006 16:43 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > What can we do for HIM by which HE can be happy and love us? Choose to open our hearts to HIM. It is written that the LORD is knocking on the doors of our hearts and will enter when invited.
John 3:16
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Kumar - 25 Apr 2006 16:55 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...as always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > John 3:16 Whether LORD is "prime force"?
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like > cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/zlaml Peabody - 26 Apr 2006 00:25 GMT Excuse me for interrupting.
Dr. Chung, could you please search the medical literature and tell me whether there are any studies on the atherogenicity of peanuts or peanut oil in humans? I would appreciate it.
Or, is it generally believed by cardiologists that peanuts are bad for humans for that reason?
Thanks
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Apr 2006 10:18 GMT > Excuse me for interrupting. > > Dr. Chung, could you please search the medical literature and tell > me whether there are any studies on the atherogenicity of peanuts or > peanut oil in humans? I would appreciate it. There are none that I am aware of.
> Or, is it generally believed by cardiologists that peanuts are bad > for humans for that reason? No.
> Thanks You are welcome.
It would be my choice to redirect all thanks to the LORD, Whom I love with all my being.
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Kumar - 27 Apr 2006 11:33 GMT Following site gives detailed contents in peanuts. Other constituents esp. Mg may be evauled for other effects than just its fats contents.http://www.peanutsusa.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.page&pid=64
Don Kirkman - 21 Apr 2006 08:22 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote in article <1145548855.648652.198390@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol? I think that was answered a year or more again. Nope, peanuts, being vegetable matter, contain no cholesterol, which is only in animal fats.
Were you the one that asked last year, too?
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Apr 2006 12:01 GMT Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be more authoritative.
Al - 21 Apr 2006 20:39 GMT > Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be > more authoritative. If you take anything Chunky says as authoritative, you ate too many peanuts.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 02:56 GMT then what is yours and how is it different from Dr. Chung's?
Don Kirkman - 21 Apr 2006 23:57 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote in article <1145617273.186940.235680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>Yes, but i forgot and also i take the one given by Dr.Chung today to be >more authoritative. Your option, of course, but he didn't make the fundamental distinction I did between vegetable (non-cholesterol) and animal (cholesterol) fats; you *did* ask "do they **have** cholesterol."
His actually nonresponsive answer is about the body producing cholesterol, not about what products contain cholesterol.
Nevertheless, in this age of free will and loss of scientific rigor, be my guest. :-)
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 02:55 GMT He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess. I suppose this is not a luke warm answer. No?
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 08:18 GMT : He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it : may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess. I suppose this is not a : luke warm answer. No? Chung is nuts and does not know. Actually peanut consumption is beneficial for cardiovascular disease risk factors, including serum lipids. Just look at the Harvard meta-analysis below.
However, I do agree with Bill how pointed out that peanuts often contain mold - more specifically, aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I think that many other nuts are safer than peanuts.
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Curr Atheroscler Rep. 1999 Nov;1(3):204-9.
Nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease: a review of epidemiologic evidence.
Hu FB, Stampfer MJ.
Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, 665 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115, USA.
Traditionally nuts have been perceived as an unhealthy food because of their high fat content. However, recent accumulative evidence suggests that frequent consumption of nuts may be protective against coronary heart disease (CHD). So far, five large prospective cohort studies (the Adventist Health Study, the Iowa Women Health Study, the Nurses' Health Study, the Physicians' Health Study, and the CARE Study) have examined the relation between nut consumption and the risk of CHD and all have found an inverse association. In addition, several clinical studies have observed beneficial effects of diets high in nuts (including walnuts, peanuts, almonds, and other nuts) on blood lipids. The beneficial effects of nut consumption observed in clinical and epidemiologic studies underscore the importance of distinguishing different types of fat. Most fats in nuts are mono- and polyunsaturated fats that lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level. Based on the data from the Nurses' Health Study, we estimated that substitution of the fat from 1 ounce of nuts for equivalent energy from carbohydrate in an average diet was associated with a 30% reduction in CHD risk and the substitution of nut fat for saturated fat was associated with 45% reduction in risk. Given the strong scientific evidence for the beneficial effects of nuts, it seems justifiable to move nuts to a more prominent place in the United States Department of Agriculture Food Guide Pyramid. Regular nut consumption can be recommended in the context of a healthy and balanced diet. PMID: 11122711
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Apr 2006 09:13 GMT Everything should be taken in moderation.
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 09:43 GMT fyfp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Everything should be taken in moderation. So why do you ask, if you pretend to know the answer?
-- Juhana
Al - 22 Apr 2006 12:58 GMT > fyfp...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Juhana Because he's a TROLL. Because he "forgot" that peanuts contain NO cholesterol. Because he enjoys his 15 minutes.
Juhana Harju - 22 Apr 2006 13:21 GMT :: fyfp...@gmail.com wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : Because he "forgot" that peanuts contain NO cholesterol. : Because he enjoys his 15 minutes. That's it. I forgot that trolls exist.
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loxipooch@yahoo.com.au - 22 Apr 2006 13:00 GMT > : He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it > : may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess. I suppose this is not a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mold - more specifically, aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I > think that many other nuts are safer than peanuts.
> Juhana You really don't want to ask any medical questions here as these so-called cardiologists have lost all their credibility - just remember their names for any future reference, though Dr Chung seems to give reasonably sensible answers and is straight to the point.
Peabody - 22 Apr 2006 17:01 GMT Juhana Harju says...
> Actually peanut consumption is beneficial for > cardiovascular disease risk factors, including serum > lipids. Just look at the Harvard meta-analysis below.
> However, I do agree with Bill how pointed out that > peanuts often contain mold - more specifically, > aflatoxin, which is a liver toxin. That is why I think > that many other nuts are safer than peanuts. I know that the study you quoted lumped peanuts together with true (i.e. - tree) nuts like walnuts, pecans, almonds, etc. But it has been my understanding for some time that peanuts have been demonstrated to be highly atherogenic in a variety of animals. That means they promote plaque buildup despite being high in monounsaturates, which should produce the opposite result.
I have never seen a study of the atherogenic effects of peanuts on humans, but I believe that many nutritionists recommmend against eating peanuts, or cooking with peanut oil, on the assumption that what's true for animals may also be true for humans.
I wonder if anyone has seen or heard of any study that might settle this issue with regard to humans. If peanuts can be exonerated, that would be nice. Almonds are about $6.50 a pound now. Peanuts are still maybe one-third of that.
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 17:34 GMT > Juhana Harju says... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > oil, on the assumption that what's true for animals may also > be true for humans. Yes, I believe if you do a Medline search for "lectins AND atherosclerosis" you'll find them. I know that I once did, and found quite a lot.
As to cost; Trader Joes has the absolute all time best tasting roasted almonds I've ever eaten, and they're cheap.
Susan
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 17:42 GMT > Yes, I believe if you do a Medline search for "lectins AND > atherosclerosis" you'll find them. I know that I once did, and found [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Susan Here's what "peanuts AND atherogenicity" turned up. Primate, but not human studies. But enough evidence that walnuts, pecans, almonds, hazelnuts, brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, etc. are a much better bet, in my estimation.
My husband has a two jar a week habit, almost, so this has always been of concern to me, even ignoring aflatoxins.
Susan
Joe Doe - 22 Apr 2006 21:38 GMT > As to cost; Trader Joes has the absolute all time best tasting roasted > almonds I've ever eaten, and they're cheap. > > Susan Does anybody know the relative advantage/disadvantage of roasted vs raw nuts? Is there a downside to roasted nuts?
Roland
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 21:47 GMT > Does anybody know the relative advantage/disadvantage of roasted vs raw > nuts? Yeah, the raw ones taste like sh.t and I won't eat them. YMMV, of course. ;-)
>>Is there a downside to roasted nuts? Only if you're a man.
Susan
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 06 May 2006 16:31 GMT Joe,
Roasted nuts or coffee likely cause constipation and pimples.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Apr 2006 09:19 GMT > He did indicate the absence of cholestrol but the oil contained in it > may raise the cholestrol if taken in excess. Correct.
> I suppose this is not a > luke warm answer. No? A truthful answer, dear Francis Poon. Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat(04/27/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing:
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Kumar - 22 Apr 2006 08:29 GMT > Do peanuts have a lot of cholestrol?Summary ""For the vast majority of people, nuts are nutritious, health-promoting foods. When eaten in moderation (25-50 grams per day, a small handful) as part of a varied, nutritious diet, they may assist in reducing the risk of heart disease and diabetes, without contributing to weight gain. Peanuts, which are technically 'legumes' rather than nuts, have similar nutritional composition and health effects to those of 'real' nuts. Coconuts, which technically are also not 'nuts', do not have the same types of fats as true nuts, and may not confer the same health benefits. For people who are allergic to a particular nut (or group of nuts), any exposure to those nuts is potentially very dangerous. Because nuts are generally very rich in fat, it is important to substitute nuts for other, less health-promoting foods, rather than simply add them to the diet.
http://www.nutritionaustralia.org/Food_Facts/FAQ/faq_nuts.asp ""
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