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Chung Alters Prediction
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Al - 31 Mar 2006 18:08 GMT "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year"
He just added 10 months to his "maybe". What a dork. And a quack.
redjac2006@yahoo.com - 31 Mar 2006 18:28 GMT He was probably HOPING for the devastation to occur, like a good Xtian.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Apr 2006 04:43 GMT > He was probably HOPING for the devastation to occur No.
> , like a good Xtian. It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully regardless of the opinion of either you or your
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
George - 01 Apr 2006 04:04 GMT What does your posting have to do with the purpose of this NG? Don't waste peoples' time here. There are many other newsgroups that exist for playing.
> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the > catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime > between now and the end of the year" > > He just added 10 months to his "maybe". What a dork. And a quack. Al - 01 Apr 2006 15:21 GMT > What does your posting have to do with the purpose of this NG? Don't waste > peoples' time here. There are many other newsgroups that exist for playing. If you are so interested in maintaining the purpose of this newsgroup, why do you put up with the THOUSANDS of whacko, fanatic, often incoherent ramblings of one possibly mentally ill Andrew Chung? Get him to stop this crap, and I and MANY others who detest his intrusion into this and other newsgroups will be more than happy to stay on-topic.
blackrotspon@yahoo.com - 01 Apr 2006 18:14 GMT Chung was thinking one day a few years ago: Hmmm, I wonder what would truly get people pissed off? I can sit here laughing at them while they rant about my postings...... RELIGION ought to do it.
He was tired of just jousting insults with people. I think it is also called being passive/aggressive, amongst other things..... He probably tells the people he admires at Emory that he is doing a psychological experiment, and I suspect that he is doing to get his daily jollies.
Robert Coe - 08 Apr 2006 20:11 GMT : > What does your posting have to do with the purpose of this NG? Don't waste : > peoples' time here. There are many other newsgroups that exist for playing. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : to stop this crap, and I and MANY others who detest his intrusion into : this and other newsgroups will be more than happy to stay on-topic. Bullhockey. You can't throw someone out of an unmoderated newsgroup. The correct way to deal with what's left of Andrew is to ignore him. You may not believe this, but Andrew was once a sensible and well regarded participant in this group. Apparently those days are over, so it's time to move on. -- ___ _ - Bob /__) _ / / ) _ _ (_/__) (_)_(_) (___(_)_(/_____________________________________ bob@1776.COM Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, MA 01776-2120 USA ** 978-443-3265
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Apr 2006 05:42 GMT > : > What does your posting have to do with the purpose of this NG? Don't waste > : > peoples' time here. There are many other newsgroups that exist for playing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bullhockey. You can't throw someone out of an unmoderated newsgroup. Correct.
> The > correct way to deal with what's left of Andrew is to ignore him. You do have the free will that GOD has generously given you.
> You may not > believe this, but Andrew was once a sensible and well regarded participant in > this group. That has not changed for folks with discerning hearts.
> Apparently those days are over, so it's time to move on. Indeed.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
http://tinyurl.com/ohyke
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Apr 2006 04:43 GMT > "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the > catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime > between now and the end of the year" > > He just added 10 months to his "maybe". What a dork. And a quack. Sorry the extension of this advisory bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my trespasses.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
Al - 01 Apr 2006 15:18 GMT >> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to >> effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the >> catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime >> between now and the end of the year" >> >> He just added 10 months to his "maybe". What a dork. And a quack. Chung now says:
"Sorry the extension of this advisory bothers you so terribly"
I honestly am beginning to believe he is mentally ill.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Apr 2006 06:49 GMT > >> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > >> effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I honestly am beginning to believe he is mentally ill. Without the LORD, what you believe is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
Al - 02 Apr 2006 22:48 GMT >>>> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to >>>> effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Without the LORD, what you believe is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). I have a strong feeling that even your lord thinks you are a mentally ill whacko, and a very annoying one at that.
Jacques Pelletier - 01 Apr 2006 19:33 GMT >> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to >> effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz No doubt about earthquakes in Tokyo, it's well known that this region is subject to frequent earthquakes. So this is not signifiant in regard of any prophecy.
> Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at > 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 > Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in > Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). An "unusual" eclipse? Astronomically speaking, it's just as usual as any other eclipse. For the order of the cities, it could just be a coincidence.
>A parallel solar eclipse > apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal > (Revelation 6:12-17): Nothing hapened yet, and I suspect that the world will just turn as before. No apocalypse, no armagueddon, just the same routine as usual.
<snip>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, > > Andrew JP
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Apr 2006 06:48 GMT > >> "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > >> effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > subject to frequent earthquakes. So this is not signifiant in regard of > any prophecy. The 255 mile deep magnitude 6 Tokyo earthquake remain interesting because it happened the night before the 03/29/06 total solar eclipse.
> > Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at > > 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > An "unusual" eclipse? Astronomically speaking, it's just as usual as any > other eclipse. For the order of the cities, it could just be a coincidence. Nothing happens by chance (Proverbs 16:33).
> >A parallel solar eclipse > > apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Nothing hapened yet, and I suspect that the world will just turn as before. > No apocalypse, no armagueddon, just the same routine as usual. It would be your choice to prophesy. Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (04/06/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew http://tinyurl.com/o63zh
Jeff - 02 Apr 2006 03:36 GMT > "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the > catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime > between now and the end of the year" > > He just added 10 months to his "maybe". What a dork. And a quack. Please tell me this is not the first time you realized that Chung is a quack!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Apr 2006 07:37 GMT > > "Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to > > effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please tell me this is not the first time you realized that Chung is a > quack! Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into bearing false witness.
You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
Mark Thorson - 02 Apr 2006 08:46 GMT > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Does Christ or the Bible say anything about what we should do with a FALSE PROPHET?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 02 Apr 2006 13:53 GMT > > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, > > Does Christ or the Bible say anything about > what we should do with a FALSE PROPHET? In is written that one of the charges levelled against LORD Jesus Christ was being a false prophet for saying that HE would tear the temple down and in 3 days build it back up again.
Afterward, Jesus proved HIMSELF to be the TRUE PROPHET by using HIS accusers to tear down the temple that was HIS body and on the third day HE rebuilt HIS body back up again appearing before Mary Magdalene as our LORD and Savior, the LAMB, Who died on the cross for our sins, and the ONE Who is able to open the seals on the scroll that authorizes a new Jerusalem for a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 6).
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
-- Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (04/06/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew http://tinyurl.com/o63zh
redjac2006@yahoo.com - 02 Apr 2006 23:16 GMT >Afterward, Jesus proved HIMSELF to be the TRUE PROPHET by using HIS accusers to tear down the temple that was HIS body and on the third day HE rebuilt HIS body back up again appearing before Mary Magdalene as our LORD and Savior Wow. What an incredibly disingenuous strawman.
JC must be quite proud of your dragging him through the mud.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 03 Apr 2006 03:23 GMT > >Afterward, Jesus proved HIMSELF to be the TRUE PROPHET by using HIS accusers to tear down the temple that was HIS body and on the third day HE rebuilt HIS body back up again appearing before Mary Magdalene as our LORD and Savior > > Wow. What an incredibly disingenuous strawman. Christ Jesus is neither.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." --LORD Jesus Christ
> JC must be quite proud of your dragging him through the mud. Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort - 03 Apr 2006 03:26 GMT > > >Afterward, Jesus proved HIMSELF to be the TRUE PROPHET by using HIS accusers to tear down the temple that was HIS body and on the third day HE rebuilt HIS body back up again appearing before Mary Magdalene as our LORD and Savior > > > > Wow. What an incredibly disingenuous strawman. > > Christ Jesus The global earthquake you predicted didn't happen. Accept that nobody is interested in your twaddle, and move on.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 03 Apr 2006 03:39 GMT > > > >Afterward, Jesus proved HIMSELF to be the TRUE PROPHET by using HIS accusers to tear down the temple that was HIS body and on the third day HE rebuilt HIS body back up again appearing before Mary Magdalene as our LORD and Savior > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The global earthquake you predicted didn't happen. Actually, it is possible that the "great earthquake" as prophesied by John via the vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 6:12) has happened the night before last week's solar eclipse:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
> Accept that nobody is interested in your twaddle, and move on. The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the possibility of a global catastrophic event in the very near future as described in the 14th verse of Revelation 6. Sorry this extended advisory continues to bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
ensenadajim - 03 Apr 2006 01:43 GMT >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >bearing false witness. It didn't take you but about a month, did it chung, a shorter time than for most.
jim
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 03 Apr 2006 03:17 GMT > >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into > >bearing false witness. > > It didn't take you but about a month, did it chung, a shorter time > than for most. Being able to refrain from namecalling is a testament to the infinite strength of the truth and glorifies GOD.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
ensenadajim - 03 Apr 2006 05:56 GMT >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Being able to refrain from namecalling is a testament to the infinite >strength of the truth and glorifies GOD. I stated a fact and did not call you a single name, did I?
ADD on your part?
jim
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 03 Apr 2006 09:56 GMT > >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into > >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I stated a fact No.
> and did not call you a single name, did I? You started the namecalling from the outset.
> ADD on your part? You will remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Jesus's most precious and holy name.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (04/06/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew http://tinyurl.com/gbj6w
ensenadajim - 04 Apr 2006 04:15 GMT >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >You started the namecalling from the outset. You have lied yet again, satan's agent. You did bear false witness aginst me on two separate occasions. So, for me to say you have done so is not name calling, but merely stating a fact.
jim
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 04 Apr 2006 18:34 GMT > >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into > >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You have lied yet again, satan's agent. q.e.d.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat(04/06/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, if the LORD is willing:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew http://tinyurl.com/gbj6w
ensenadajim - 05 Apr 2006 02:00 GMT >> >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >> >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> You have lied yet again, satan's agent. And tried to deny it when the lies are here for all to see. You tell a lie, you are a liar - statement of fact.
jim
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 07 Apr 2006 11:10 GMT > >> >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into > >> >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > And tried to deny it when the lies are here for all to see. You tell a > lie, you are a liar - statement of fact. It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully:
Only one of us is lying and the other is truthful.
Those with discerning hearts know who is lying.
Truth is absolute.
You will be in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
The truth is invincible.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
ensenadajim - 08 Apr 2006 02:14 GMT >> >> >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >> >> >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Only one of us is lying and the other is truthful. In the matters I refer to, you are the liar, I am not. Probalem is, you are of such shallow character, you are not man enough to admit to your msitakes, and thus are an agent of satan and not the Lord who would bless you for admitting your wrongs to me and the others you have deliberately offended here.
>Those with discerning hearts know who is lying. Anyone with an ounce of brains knows you are the liar here, chung. That IS a fact, spin it as you may. You have lied on several occasions.
>Truth is absolute. Perhaps that is why you are so unfamiliar with it.
>You will be in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Jesus' most precious >and holy name. Thanks, but I would prefer someone actually praying for me who is in tune with God and not an agent for satan like you.
trash snipped
jim
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Apr 2006 09:03 GMT > >> >> >> >> >Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into > >> >> >> >> >bearing false witness. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > In the matters I refer to, you are the liar, I am not. Not for those with discerning hearts.
You will remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
Dear Friend,
Through many days of continued prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen very soon, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind.
This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message.
At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong and deep magnitude 6 earthquake that impacted Tokyo:
http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz
Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17):
http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl
http://tinyurl.com/o4m2x
http://tinyurl.com/ldm6m
For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse
You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp
In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
 Signature Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
R. Pierce Butler - 03 Apr 2006 03:32 GMT >>Some folks take longer to succumb to the temptation of descending into >>bearing false witness. > > It didn't take you but about a month, did it chung, a shorter time > than for most. Hell that's pretty good. Most christians take 3 days or less. Hard core christians much much shorter like minutes.
bookworm@amesnet.com - 26 Jul 2006 20:59 GMT "What you lack is understanding and not research.
Sorry I am not able to help you any further. Please forgive all my iniquities."
I don't lack anything in this matter, except as your opinion unsupported in research is lacking. I forgive you in total, we can accept with grace the one who confesses that they are in fact unable to help due to their short comings. This doesn't fall within the area of "iniquities" but of simple human limitations. By confession and facing our limitations we can advance in our knowledge.
Some good research being done just now in the area of the incretin effect holds promise for something approaching a "cure". In animal models and human cell lines and indirectly from human clinical experience, there is reason to think that incretin therapy increases beta cell mass. There are some other research in the area of growth factor thearpy that holds good promise to the same end.
bookworm@amesnet.com - 28 Jul 2006 15:15 GMT "Actually, what has been described are two ways a person might be predisposed toward developing type-2 diabetes.
Without metabolic syndrome (MetS), the predisposition is never realized."
As before, research in support of this claim please? In past we have found that too often some confuse opinion and dearly held personal views in confusion with that which can be supported. It could be, research please.
As mentioned before, there is currently a debate among the ADA and other diabetic specialists as to the reality of mets as a risk prediction over any of its several possible components, mets is diagnosed where some number from a possible list is present. There is also a question of cause or effect that is not clarified with regard to diabetes and it is not the case that all with mets proceed to diabetes except as a genetic basis for the latter is already present only in some.
bookworm@amesnet.com - 28 Jul 2006 16:46 GMT "This is my clinical and research experience. More importantly, this is the truth.
Sorry that you don't like the truth. Please forgive all my iniquities."
As anyone trained in science knows, anecdotal examples are at the bottom of any list considering proposed answers. That is why research using accepted methods is much valued in all cases instead because of the many errors and flaws of judgement and subjective impressions that almost always creep into anecdotal experience. Until research is provided, as previously requested, we must conclude that your anecdotal experience doesn't support the claims about mets and diabetes as presented in the previous post.
In science there is no "truth", there is the present best answer to questions based on consensus, all subject to change with new methods or better data. "Truth" is for philosophy and theology and as individuals decide it for themselves by whatever process they choose. I recommend "truth" to all but reserve science to its own ways of answering questions.
bookworm@amesnet.com - 28 Jul 2006 21:11 GMT "As anyone trained in the applied sciences knows, field experience is the foundation developing solutions to identified problems.
You pay a doctor for the experience s/he has and not for the research"
As anyone in any form of science knows impressions formed in a doctor's office are at very best suggestive. Only with formal research can the validity of those impressions be found. The clinical doctor is as to the car mechanic as the auto engineer is to the research scientist.
You pay a mechanic for his experience, you pay an enjineer for solutions to fundamental problems; who in turn publishes them in research journals.
In the case at hand, the relationship between mets and the risk of diabetes has for some years now been under research and have formed the basis for clinical guidelines in the doctor's office and at medical schools; as are accessed in research journals and by continuing education..
So a simple request for research in support of an assertion about mets and diabetes is quite reasonable and in order.
bookworm@amesnet.com - 29 Jul 2006 01:50 GMT "Short of proof, the case gets stronger every day that for folks with no MetS, no type-2 diabetes develops."
Actually it is the other way around, you need to keep up with the discussion within the AMA research community. They are considering tossing mets because it does no better at risk assessment then do any of the factors on the list comprising it. They seem to be trending toward the view that mets is an artifact of correlations of factors and not a factor in itself. There are several factors ot on the mets list that can lead to diabetes and an even more important fact is that only some folk with mets become diabetic. Your blurb above is something of a red herring, but is an acceptable confession that you have no research in support.
"Actually, there will never be the research proof that you require even though what I have written is the truth. This is because it is unethical to sit idly by and watch folks progress from MetS to type 2 diabetes with a relative risk of greater than 10-fold compared to folks without MetS:"
Actually, the research form you mention is not that used in such contexts, here you may tell us what is as a homework assignment. Such situations are studied all the time. In fact, there are even programs which do exactly you as mention above, homework addendum, give some examples. As your number confirms, all with mets do not get diabetes. I take it by this answer you now confess that your assertion that all diabetes is preceeded by mets doesn't have research of which you are aware and by which the assertion can be supported?
"Truth" is not a term used in science, it is found in philosophy and related hunanities and I suggest all seek it.
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