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Peabody - 19 Mar 2006 17:13 GMT
In this morning's newspaper I received a small promotional booklet
for Prevention, which in turn offered 10 free "reports" amd a trial
subsciption.  One of the reports is "Healing with Chocolate."

It is promised that the Chocolate report will give the specific
brand name of the chocolate which is highest in beneficial
flavanols - the brand used in various studies.

Well, I'm guessing the brand is Dove dark chocolate, because Mars
has funded some of these studies, but maybe not.  Anyway, before
going through the drill of ordering a free subscription which isn't
free and can't be cancelled, I thought I would ask here if anybody
has already seen the Prevention report, or a similar article there,
and can answer the brand-name question.
Susan - 19 Mar 2006 17:50 GMT
> In this morning's newspaper I received a small promotional booklet
> for Prevention, which in turn offered 10 free "reports" amd a trial
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> has already seen the Prevention report, or a similar article there,
> and can answer the brand-name question.

I don't care; I eat small amounts of very dark chocolate (a lot less
sweetened than Dove) that taste best to me.  Chocolove 77% is my
favorite, and Scharffen Berger 82%, and Hachez very dark.

Susan
Jim Chinnis - 19 Mar 2006 18:26 GMT
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Susan

The highest in flavanols would undoubtedly be the unprocessed stuff consumed
by natives of Central America. I do as Susan, and for the same reasons. Mars
has funded the work and thus has supplied the dark chocolate. They are busy
coming out with all sorts of new "health" products based on the chocolate.
The stuff that has just hit the shelves in the US is also packed with
folate, vitamin B-6 and vitamin B-12, a combination now just conclusively
shown to worsen heart disease. ;-)

In parts of Europe, Mars sells a less-adulterated cocoa called, I think,
CocoaPro.

Schmidt's dark chocolate is the very best tasting, if you can find it.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Susan - 19 Mar 2006 18:31 GMT
> The highest in flavanols would undoubtedly be the unprocessed stuff consumed
> by natives of Central America. I do as Susan, and for the same reasons. Mars
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Schmidt's dark chocolate is the very best tasting, if you can find it.

I haven't had it, but I doubt it surpasses Chocolove.  They add extra
cocoa butter and the texture just spreads the flavor over your tongue
beautifully.

That said, it's actually cocoa, not chocolate bars, that's highest.  The
bars with the highest cocoa % content should be the healthiest.

Susan
Jim Chinnis - 19 Mar 2006 19:16 GMT
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:

>That said, it's actually cocoa, not chocolate bars, that's highest.  The
>bars with the highest cocoa % content should be the healthiest.

Unfortunately, it appears to depend on how its processed. I buy cocoa powder
and make cocoa in the winter. I know to avoid "Dutch process" cocoa, but
aside from that it's a crapshoot.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Susan - 19 Mar 2006 19:38 GMT
> Unfortunately, it appears to depend on how its processed. I buy cocoa powder
> and make cocoa in the winter. I know to avoid "Dutch process" cocoa, but
> aside from that it's a crapshoot.

That's true.

Susan
William Wagner - 19 Mar 2006 18:42 GMT
> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> --
> Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA

I've found the Mar's product too rich for my blood :))  By this  I mean
too expensive.  No need for candy bars for me. Tasty especially with
blueberries though.

I found Cocoa Extract 450 Mg via  AmerMed Nutraceuticals  
Perhaps grasping for straws .

Bill
https://www.amermed.com/

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Susan - 19 Mar 2006 18:49 GMT
> I found Cocoa Extract 450 Mg via  AmerMed Nutraceuticals  
> Perhaps grasping for straws .

Ooh, that makes me so awfully sad.  No chocolate melting on your tongue?
 :-(

Susan
William Wagner - 19 Mar 2006 19:08 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Susan

Not too worry I'm more of a Brie kind of guy.  Herring etc a fav look  
Babette's  Feast some rainy day.   Babette's  Feast is a movie we like.

Remember those Aztec folks gave us quite a bit of things when they lost
to Spain.

1) Chocolate

2) Peppers, Eggplant and Tomatoes   All Toxic leaved and some suggest
tied to joint problems.

3)  Syphilis

Bill

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Juhana Harju - 19 Mar 2006 19:24 GMT
: Remember those Aztec folks gave us quite a bit of things when they
: lost to Spain.
:
: 1) Chocolate
:
: 2) Peppers,

are high in flavonoids and vitamin C.

: Eggplant

is high in flavonoids and fiber.

: and Tomatoes

are high in lycopene which is associated with reduced cardiovascular disease
and lower prostate cancer.

: All Toxic leaved and some suggest
: tied to joint problems.

: 3)  Syphilis

The toll of diseases brought by Europeans was much more devastating: "When
the Spanish arrived in the Americas they brought with them a host of
diseases that the indigenous people had never come in contact with. Among
these diseases was smallpox, which was very contagious and fatal. In
Tenochtitla'n, because of the initial effort needed to defend themselves
against the Spanish, the Aztecs, had not had time to harvest their crops,
(such as corn and chiles) and so they eventually pushed themselves into a
state of famine. Other indigenous groups, that had already been defeated by
the Spanish were forced to work so hard for their new masters that their
health fell into a very poor state."
"Before the Spanish arrived in the Americas there were at least 20 million
people living in the Americas. 50 years later there were only 2.6 million.
More than 17 million people died in just fifty years. Translated today,
that's about all the population of Australia. In terms of MesoAmerica, the
area we now know as stretching from central Mexico to parts of Central
America, *lost* about *90*% of its population primarily due to the Spanish
invasion."

Source: http://www.worldtrek.org/odyssey/teachers/diseasetext.html

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Susan - 19 Mar 2006 19:37 GMT
>  Not too worry I'm more of a Brie kind of guy.  

I'm a brie kinda gal.  Then chocolate.  :-)

> Remember those Aztec folks gave us quite a bit of things when they lost
> to Spain.
>
> 1) Chocolate

Bah.

> 2) Peppers, Eggplant and Tomatoes   All Toxic leaved and some suggest
> tied to joint problems.

Not well confirmed, unless you're allergic.

> 3)  Syphilis

Okay, so this you can live without...

Susan
Peabody - 19 Mar 2006 22:56 GMT
Susan says...

> I eat small amounts of very dark chocolate (a lot less
> sweetened than Dove) that taste best to me.  Chocolove
> 77% is my favorite, and Scharffen Berger 82%, and Hachez
> very dark.

I'm currently eating Lindt 70%, which is French/Swiss.  It
is $1.37 for a 100g bar at Wal-Mart, which is a lot cheaper
than others I've found.  But I don't know anything about the
flavonols.

So I guess nobody here has seen the Prevention writeup.
Susan - 19 Mar 2006 22:59 GMT
> I'm currently eating Lindt 70%, which is French/Swiss.  It
> is $1.37 for a 100g bar at Wal-Mart, which is a lot cheaper
> than others I've found.  But I don't know anything about the
> flavonols.
>
> So I guess nobody here has seen the Prevention writeup.

I don't read Prevention, no, but there was a discussion of this on the
diabetes ng a few months ago, with a lot of good particulars from Jenny,
IIRC.

Susan
Jim Chinnis - 19 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
Peabody <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in part:

>Susan says...
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>So I guess nobody here has seen the Prevention writeup.

Some of us have read all the published research. I don't think a magazine
has any health "scoops" to report.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Mar 2006 18:52 GMT
> In this morning's newspaper I received a small promotional booklet
> for Prevention, which in turn offered 10 free "reports" amd a trial
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> has already seen the Prevention report, or a similar article there,
> and can answer the brand-name question.

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Food does not heal.

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Matti Narkia - 20 Mar 2006 01:31 GMT
Below the most recent chocolate and cocoa related references:

Buijsse B, Feskens EJ, Kok FJ, Kromhout D.
Cocoa intake, blood pressure, and cardiovascular mortality: the Zutphen
Elderly Study.
Arch Intern Med. 2006 Feb 27;166(4):411-7.
PMID: 16505260 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16505260
>

Schroeter H, Heiss C, Balzer J, Kleinbongard P, Keen CL, Hollenberg NK,
Sies H, Kwik-Uribe C, Schmitz HH, Kelm M.
(-)-Epicatechin mediates beneficial effects of flavanol-rich cocoa on
vascular function in humans.
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2006 Jan 24;103(4):1024-9. Epub 2006 Jan 17.
PMID: 16418281 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16418281
>
<http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/103/4/1024>

Ding EL, Hutfless SM, Ding X, Girotra S.
Chocolate and prevention of cardiovascular disease: a systematic review.
Nutr Metab (Lond). 2006 Jan 3;3:2.
PMID: 16390538 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16390538
>
<http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/2>

Hermann F, Spieker LE, Ruschitzka F, Sudano I, Hermann M, Binggeli C,
Luscher TF, Riesen W, Noll G, Corti R.
Dark chocolate improves endothelial and platelet function.
Heart. 2006 Jan;92(1):119-20. No abstract available.
PMID: 16365364 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16365364
>

Kudes MA, Bisognano JD.
Daily cocoa for hypertension, insulin resistance, and endothelial
dysfunction.
Curr Hypertens Rep. 2005 Dec;7(6):399-400. No abstract available.
PMID: 16386193 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16386193
>
<http://www.current-reports.com/cr_linkout_frmst.cfm?issn=1522-6417&vol=7&page=399>

Alonso A, de la Fuente C, Beunza JJ, Sanchez-Villegas A, Martinez-Gonzalez
MA.
Chocolate consumption and incidence of hypertension.
Hypertension. 2005 Dec;46(6):e21-2; author reply e22. Epub 2005 Nov 14. No
abstract available.
PMID: 16286580 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16286580
>

Ariefdjohan MW, Savaiano DA.
Chocolate and cardiovascular health: is it too good to be true?
Nutr Rev. 2005 Dec;63(12 Pt 1):427-30. Review.
PMID: 16466080 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16466080
&>
<http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ilsi/nure/2005/00000063/00000012/art00004?
token=0053130e1a1264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f7b736a422c3a464c7a0a883
971835b66
>

Ramiro E, Franch A, Castellote C, Perez-Cano F, Permanyer J,
Izquierdo-Pulido M, Castell M.
Flavonoids from Theobroma cacao down-regulate inflammatory mediators.
J Agric Food Chem. 2005 Nov 2;53(22):8506-11.
PMID: 16248545 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16248545
>
<http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/2005/53/i22/abs/jf0511042.html>

Chocolate, tea: health foods? How plant chemicals may help foster
cardiovascular health.
Heart Advis. 2005 Nov;8(11):3. No abstract available.
PMID: 16350258 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16350258
>

Meisel P.
Hypertension, diabetes: chocolate with a single remedy?
Hypertension. 2005 Nov;46(5):e17; author reply e17. Epub 2005 Oct 17. No
abstract available.
PMID: 16230512 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=16230512
>

A fairly comprehensive list of earlier references:

<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/41caa9b4b45b88a2>

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Matti Narkia - 20 Mar 2006 02:09 GMT
Chocolate and cocoa related Medscape articles:

Chocolate Milk May Improve Recovery After Exercise
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524370>

Cocoa May Cut Blood Pressure
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524514>

Why Cocoa May Help Heart Health
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/521806>

Dark Chocolate May Improve Endothelial Function in Male Smokers
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/520228>

Dark Chocolate May Improve Insulin Sensitivity/Resistance and BP
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501333>

Dark Chocolate May Cut High Blood Pressure
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510234>

Chocolate May Help Smokers' Blood Vessels
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/513784>

Dark Chocolate May Ease Diarrhea
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/513908>

Cocoa, Flavanols and Cardiovascular Risk
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/490533>

Dark Chocolate Inhibits Platelet Aggregation in Healthy
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/459588>

Long-Term Syst-Eur Data Show Pharmacologic Therapy Works
-- As Does Exercise, Penicillin, and (Dark) Chocolate
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461364>

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