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"Pacemaker beats" in EKG Holter report

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Roby1 - 16 Mar 2006 15:04 GMT
I am an intermittent afibber and wear dual-chamber pacemaker.

I had a Holter 24-hour EKG monitoring done last week. Reading the
holter report, I understand that during the last part of that
procedure I had an 8-hours afib episode.

In the "Final Table" of the holter report I see various columns,
including one named "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" with the following
hourly data: 3, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 11, 11, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1098,
286, 414, 409, 377, 310, 911, 579.
The high-values portion of that series is actually coincident with the
afib episode detection.
The final comment of the holter report mentions "atrial fibrillation"
and  "ectopic ventricular beats".

I have an EP visit scheduled next week. In the meantime, can someone
explain the meaning, as well as the likely interpretation, of the data
listed under the above "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" column?

Thank you        
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2006 12:28 GMT
> I am an intermittent afibber and wear dual-chamber pacemaker.
>
> I had a Holter 24-hour EKG monitoring done last week.

Most dual-chamber pacemakers have the capability of recording telemetry
information and mode-switch episodes thereby obviating the need for
holter-monitoring.

> Reading the
> holter report, I understand that during the last part of that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> explain the meaning, as well as the likely interpretation, of the data
> listed under the above "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" column?

Would surmise that each number represents the count of wide-complex
pacemaker beats during each of 25 hourly intervals.

> Thank you

You are welcome.

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Andrew
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Uplbet - 17 Mar 2006 18:20 GMT
Il 17 Mar 2006 03:28:04 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> ha scritto:

>> I had a Holter 24-hour EKG monitoring done last week.
>
>Most dual-chamber pacemakers have the capability of recording telemetry
>information and mode-switch episodes

this is the case of my pacemaker ...

>thereby obviating the need for holter-monitoring.

... however the holter monitoring, to be done some 3 months after
ablation and shortly before EP evaluation, was actually prescribed to
me upon hospital discharge after ablation.
I understand my EP evaluation, scheduled next week, will include
evaluation of either holter and pacemaker recordings.

>> In the "Final Table" of the holter report I see various columns,
>> including one named "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" with the following
>> hourly data: 3, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 11, 11, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1098,
>> 286, 414, 409, 377, 310, 911, 579.
>> The high-values portion of that series is actually coincident with the
>> afib episode detection.

>Would surmise that each number represents the count of wide-complex
>pacemaker beats during each of 25 hourly intervals.

I'd like to know if you would consider 300 to 1100 pacemaker
ventricular beats per hour as "normal" during the afib hours.

Thank you
---
Uplbet
Uplbet - 17 Mar 2006 22:33 GMT
sorry for the "Roby1" in my initial post, I was simply fiddling with
my newsreader settings   :-(

Regards
---
Uplbet
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Mar 2006 23:01 GMT
> Il 17 Mar 2006 03:28:04 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <andrew@heartmdphd.com> ha scritto:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I understand my EP evaluation, scheduled next week, will include
> evaluation of either holter and pacemaker recordings.

It does not hurt to have more data especially post-ablation in the
setting of a complicated EP history where the continued success of the
ablation needs to be proven.

> >> In the "Final Table" of the holter report I see various columns,
> >> including one named "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" with the following
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I'd like to know if you would consider 300 to 1100 pacemaker
> ventricular beats per hour as "normal" during the afib hours.

There is no such thing as a "normal" number of pacemaker beats during
atrial fibrillation in a non-AV-ablated individual.  In your particular
case being after ablation, all ventricular beats should be pacemaker
generated so that if you were set at 60 bpm, the "normal" number should
be 3600 pacemaker generated ventricular beats without variability
unless the pacemaker is set to increase rate with activity.  For a
non-AV-ablated person he expected range is from 0 (rapid ventricular
response not needing the pacemaker) to the set rate multiplied by 60
(bradycardiac ventricular response far below set pacemaker rate).

> Thank you

You are welcome.

All thanks and praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

> Uplbet
Uplbet - 18 Mar 2006 15:48 GMT
Hi Andrew,
I got your reply "loud and clear".
I believe you are a _great_ resource for this newsgroup!
Thank you so much and best regards.
---
Uplbet
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Mar 2006 23:41 GMT
> Hi Andrew,
> I got your reply "loud and clear".
> I believe you are a _great_ resource for this newsgroup!
> Thank you so much and best regards.
> ---
> Uplbet

You are welcome :-)

All thanks and praises belong to the LORD Who is the source of all
knowledge and wisdom that HE has given to all of us and Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind and strength.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
Al - 17 Mar 2006 20:05 GMT
>> I am an intermittent afibber and wear dual-chamber pacemaker.

Here Chung, taste this Kool Aid....
Terrence Chun, MD - 19 Mar 2006 08:26 GMT
>> I am an intermittent afibber and wear dual-chamber pacemaker.
>> I had a Holter 24-hour EKG monitoring done last week.
>
> Most dual-chamber pacemakers have the capability of recording
> telemetry information and mode-switch episodes thereby obviating the
> need for holter-monitoring.

Though current generation pacemakers provide some telemetry information,
it is still fairly limited. I do not find that the pacemaker data
provides a complete arrhythmia record and I still frequently use Holters
in addition to device interrogation for my pacer and ICD patients.

>> Reading the
>> holter report, I understand that during the last part of that
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Would surmise that each number represents the count of wide-complex
> pacemaker beats during each of 25 hourly intervals.

Yes, but distinguished from PVCs by the presence of a pacer spike. The
Holter software takes a stab at categorizing these, which is further
refined by the tech who scans the data.

During the AF episode, the device likely mode-switched and ended up
pacing more often, up to 1098 times per hour. But for someone who is
paced at a rate of 60/min, there would be 3600 paced beats per hour,
just to put it in context.

- TC, md
 Pediatric cardiology, pacing & electrophysiology
Uplbet - 19 Mar 2006 11:04 GMT
Il 19 Mar 2006 08:26:19 +0100, "Terrence Chun, MD"
<REtchMOVEun2THE47CAPS@comcast.net> ha scritto:

>>> In the "Final Table" of the holter report I see various columns,
>>> including one named "Pacemaker beats - Ventricular" with the
>>> following hourly data: 3, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 11, 11, 0, 0, 0,
>>> 1, 1098, 286, 414, 409, 377, 310, 911, 579.
>>> The high-values portion of that series is actually coincident with
>>> the afib episode detection.

>[...]
>During the AF episode, the device likely mode-switched and ended up
>pacing more often, up to 1098 times per hour. But for someone who is
>paced at a rate of 60/min, there would be 3600 paced beats per hour,
>just to put it in context.

I see.
My pacer is set at 55/min by day and 50/min by night, which seems too
low to me, I'll ask explanation to my EP.
By the way, I am somewhat surprised by the very few pacer beats per
hour - either atrial and ventricular beats - during normal sinus
rhythm hours: that means I was not pacemaker dependent in those hours,
correct?

Thank you      
---
Uplbet
Terrence Chun, MD - 20 Mar 2006 05:42 GMT
> Il 19 Mar 2006 08:26:19 +0100, "Terrence Chun, MD"
> <REtchMOVEun2THE47CAPS@comcast.net> ha scritto:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> rhythm hours: that means I was not pacemaker dependent in those hours,
> correct?

Doesn't sound like you use the pacer much during those other times. For
someone who has at least a partially functional sinus node and
atrioventricular node, it is always best to let it do it's thing
naturally and only pace when necessary.

- TC, md
 Pediatric cardiology, pacing & electrophysiology
 
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