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Acute to chronic pain - what to do?

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Bob Travis - 07 Jan 2006 12:55 GMT
My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.

I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
library photocopying some articles for a lawyer friend I sometimes do
research for and I decided to see what was available there on pain diagnosis
and management.

I was amazed at how many books there are on the subject and I could not help
but wonder, with so much having been written on the subjects of acute and
chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
to the bottom of this? In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
doctor did not consider but which Madonna's doctors or President Bush's
doctors probably would have considered.

I checked a couple of books out before I left the med library. I checked out
a 1993 book called "Differential Diagnosis of Acute Pain (By Body Region)"
by Stanley L Wiener. I also checked out a book from 2000, the 3rd edition of
"Practical Management of Pain," edited by P. Prithvi Raj, et. al.

Given my very limited medical expertise all these books tell me are:

1.) There are many many possible causes of bilateral chest pain, and
2.) There are many possible treatments.

All I want to know is why her doctors don't read books like these, see how
many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible. If a lay person like
myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
others like them, anyone with a real medical degree should have little
trouble at all muddling through them to figure out the cause of her pain.
They have billed her Medicare over $700 in the past three months, How much
money is required to get definitive answers, or if not definitive answers at
least an end to the constant pain -- acute pain at first but since it has
been going on for over three months now it is on its way toward becoming
chronic.

All I really would to know is what kind of doctor should I take her to? Her
family practice doctor administers about one new test every three weeks and
that is only if I suggest it. She has not come up with anything on her own
and she graduated med school in 2001 which is practically plenty of time to
become acquainted with the many syndromes which cause pain. She is a very
sweet person but her sweetness isn't helping my wife's pain any.We are
getting impatient, but because we do not have Madonna's money or President's
Bush's influence we feel like we are being treated like second class
citizens, or worse; almost as if we don't really matter at all. I am
wondering what I can do to help my wife and what our next step should be.

Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Thanks,

"Bob"
William Wagner - 07 Jan 2006 13:27 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

 Large snip.

> "Bob"

................................

Perhaps useful.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/search/search

Bill

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 07 Jan 2006 13:44 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.

Uh-oh

> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
> to the bottom of this?

Don't know her doctors well enough to judge them.  Even if I thought I
knew them well enough, it would be my choice to refrain from judging
them.

> In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
> Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
> weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

Not those who are walking with the LORD, Who remains kind, just, and
right.

> I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
> if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
> doctor did not consider but which Madonna's doctors or President Bush's
> doctors probably would have considered.

The LORD is the source of all healing:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp

Without the LORD, there can be no healing.

> I checked a couple of books out before I left the med library. I checked out
> a 1993 book called "Differential Diagnosis of Acute Pain (By Body Region)"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> 1.) There are many many possible causes of bilateral chest pain, and

Correct.

> 2.) There are many possible treatments.

Correct.

> All I want to know is why her doctors don't read books like these, see how
> many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> All I really would to know is what kind of doctor should I take her to?

One who has placed his/her faith in the LORD, Who is the source of all
healing.

> Her
> family practice doctor administers about one new test every three weeks and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> citizens, or worse; almost as if we don't really matter at all. I am
> wondering what I can do to help my wife and what our next step should be.

Pray to the LORD almighty GOD, Who is the Creator of all things seen
and unseen, Who has established HIS sovereignty with His Laws governing
the universe, Who has made this new day, and Who loves us:

John 3:16

> Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
> and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Would suggest your wife request a referral to see a cardiologist, who
are the chest pain experts.

> Thanks,

You are welcome, Bob :-)

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
chrlie704@yahoo.com - 08 Jan 2006 10:04 GMT
Jimmy - 08 Jan 2006 17:07 GMT
>>My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
>
[quoted text clipped - 117 lines]
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk

Andrew,

This AS a Medical/Science board, Please post your religious topics
elsewhere.....
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Jan 2006 00:18 GMT
> >>My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 122 lines]
> This AS a Medical/Science board, Please post your religious topics
> elsewhere.....

The topic remains medical in nature.  Sorry if my choice to remain
openly Christian bothers you so terribly.

Please know you will be in my prayers, dear Jimmy whom I love, in Jesus'
name.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Bill - 07 Jan 2006 22:25 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

You may want to seek out a specialist - with the degree of cooperation of your
current Dr. as you choose. (I would suggest advising her, at least.) You are
likely to get tests associated with that specialty and maybe direction on how
to proceed. Your wife's overall condition would be important in picking a
speciality. Perhaps you could take your best shot and then discuss with your
current Dr. and any recommendations she has.

Bill - not a Dr.
Sharon Hope - 08 Jan 2006 05:05 GMT
Bob,

So sorry to hear she is in pain.

By any chance is she taking a cholesterol-lowering drug such as Lipitor,
Crestor, Zocor, or Caduet?  Chronic pain is a typical adverse effect of
these statin drugs.

If not, any other drugs that might have pain as an adverse effect?

> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>
> "Bob"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Jan 2006 10:54 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.

This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

This must have been a trying time for both of you.  You will also be in
my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.

Praise the LORD, Whom I love with all my being :-)

> I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
> couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
> weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

It would be my choice to refrain from writing for other doctors, but I
personally do not enjoy watching others suffer whether they be "little"
or "big."  It remains my choice to love all my neighbors as the LORD
has commanded.

> I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
> if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
> tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible.

Don't know your wife's doctors to judge them and even if I knew them,
it would be my choice to refrain from judging them per the suggestion
of the LORD via the 7th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew which I have
learned through my walk with Him.

> If a lay person like
> myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
> and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Would suggest you have your wife seek a referral to consult with a
cardiologist.  Such folks are the chest pain experts.

> Thanks

You are welcome, Bob :-)

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Robibnikoff - 09 Jan 2006 16:02 GMT
>> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
>
> This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
> will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

f.ck off, you nym-shifting scumbag!
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Jan 2006 18:47 GMT
> >> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> >
> > This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
> > will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
>
> f.ck off, you nym-shifting scumbag!

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

Meanwhile, you will remain in my prayers, dear Robyn whom I love, in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Robibnikoff - 09 Jan 2006 16:04 GMT
>> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
>
> This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
> will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy nam

FOAD, NYM-SHIFTING SHITHEAD!
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Jan 2006 19:07 GMT
> >> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.
> >
> > This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
> > will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy nam
>
> FOAD, NYM-SHIFTING SHITHEAD!

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

Please know you remain in my prayers, dear Robyn whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Jan 2006 13:24 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.

This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

This must have been a trying time for both of you.  You will also be in
my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.

Praise the LORD, Whom I love with all my being :-)

> I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
> couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
> weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

It would be my choice to refrain from writing for other doctors, but I
personally do not enjoy watching others suffer whether they be "little"
or "big."  It remains my choice to love all my neighbors as the LORD
has commanded.

> I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
> if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
> tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible.

Don't know your wife's doctors to judge them and even if I knew them,
it would be my choice to refrain from judging them per the suggestion
of the LORD via the 7th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew which I have
learned through my walk with Him.

> If a lay person like
> myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
> and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Would suggest you have your wife seek a referral to consult with a
cardiologist.  Such folks are the chest pain experts.

> Thanks

You are welcome, Bob :-)

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Jan 2006 13:43 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.

This probably has been quite a frightening ordeal for her.  Your wife
will be in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

This must have been a trying time for both of you.  You will also be in
my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.

Praise the LORD, Whom I love with all my being :-)

> I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
> couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
> weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

It would be my choice to refrain from writing for other doctors, but I
personally do not enjoy watching others suffer whether they be "little"
or "big."  It remains my choice to love all my neighbors as the LORD
has commanded.

> I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
> if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> many dozens of possibilities there are, and administer the apporopriate
> tests to exclude the unlikely and include the possible.

Don't know your wife's doctors to judge them and even if I knew them,
it would be my choice to refrain from judging them per the suggestion
of the LORD via the 7th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew which I have
learned through my walk with Him.

> If a lay person like
> myself can make a little sense of the knowledge imparted by these books, and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
> and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Would suggest you have your wife seek a referral to consult with a
cardiologist.  Such folks are the chest pain experts.

> Thanks

You are welcome, Bob :-)

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 08 Jan 2006 19:56 GMT
> My wife has had bilateral pains beneath her breasts since September 2005.

Sad to hear about your wife's suffering.  She will be in my prayers in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> She has been to a family practice doctor and the emergency room. Neither
> were able to come up with a definitive diagnosis and all they have done for
> her is put her on Vicodin 7.5 mg and she only takes it when she doesn't have
> to drive or do anything that requires her to be alert.

This has probably been a trying time for both of you. You will also be
in my prayers in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

> A chest X-ray did not reveal anytning abnormal - no broken or cracked ribs.

Glad to read this. All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all
my being :-)

> I am just wondering what I can do to help. I looked on the Internet and
> couldn't begin to figure it out. Finally, today, I was at the local medical
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> chronic pain, why are her doctors taking their sweet old time trying to get
> to the bottom of this?

Don't know your wife's doctors well enough to judge them and even if I
were to **think** that I knew them well enough to judge them, it would
be my choice to refrain from judging them per the suggestion (Matthew
7) that the LORD has given to me in my walk with HIM.

> In fact, I told my wife today, I bet if you were
> Madonna or President Bush they would have had an answer for you within two
> weeks. Do doctors just enjoy watching "the little people" suffer?

It would be my choice to refrain from writing for other doctors unless
asked by other doctors especially the LORD, Who is the greatest doctor.

> I decided to take it upon myself to see what I could find. I thought maybe
> if I study all of the possibilities I may be able to think of something her
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Pseudonym used to avoid excessive spam but I gave a genuine email address
> and I will certainly answer anyone who has any helpful advice for us.

Would suggest your wife seek a referral to consult with a cardiologist
because these folks are the chest pain experts.

> Thanks

You are welcome, Bob :-)

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-))

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06):

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
 
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