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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / December 2005What Could More Christian Than Slavery?
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" -Colossians 3:22 ----- Yang a.a. #28 AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka oleka2000@yahoo.com aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch) The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting The Bush Iraq lie: -2151 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless ----- "Now, did I want to go? Hell no." -duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63 year old mateless, heirless biological failure of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of the Vietnam War. > "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only > when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of > heart and reverence for the Lord" > -Colossians 3:22 Nicely put. We could also go into how the "god" ordered General Joshua to commit a genocide in the "promised land" to clear it of its peaceful inhabitants. >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >We could also go into how the "god" ordered General Joshua to commit a >genocide in the "promised land" to clear it of its peaceful inhabitants. That's Christian Love, Compassion, and Empathy.  SignatureContempt of Congress meter reading-offscale. Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme Court who will ensure church and state are joined at the hip like clergy and altar boys. America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956) Religion is the original war crime. -Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005) > >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only > >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That's Christian Love, Compassion, and Empathy. The LORD is indeed kind, just, and right. As the omnipotent and omniscient Creator of all things seen and unseen, He has every right to unmake that which He has made without permission from you. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >The LORD is indeed kind, just, and right. f.ck off, oh drooling idiot. [] SignatureContempt of Congress meter reading-offscale. Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme Court who will ensure church and state are joined at the hip like clergy and altar boys. America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956) Religion is the original war crime. -Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005) > "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only > when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of > heart and reverence for the Lord" > -Colossians 3:22 "Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >"Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you >proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) Which is why only non-Christians were enslaved by the Church. Good morals eh? ----- Yang a.a. #28 AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka oleka2000@yahoo.com aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch) The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting The Bush Iraq lie: -2151 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless ----- "Now, did I want to go? Hell no." -duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63 year old mateless, heirless biological failure of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of the Vietnam War. > >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only > >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Which is why only non-Christians were enslaved by the Church. Which Christian church has enslaved anyone? Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Which Christian church has enslaved anyone? Which Christian Church hasn't? ----- Yang a.a. #28 AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka oleka2000@yahoo.com aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch) The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting The Bush Iraq lie: -2151 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless ----- "Now, did I want to go? Hell no." -duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63 year old mateless, heirless biological failure of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of the Vietnam War. > >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only > >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Which Christian Church hasn't? One example among innumerable examples would be the Atlanta Chinese Christian Church: http://www.accc.org Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1134932510.487019.262020@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: [About Christians involved in slavery; the question was which Christian churches have not been] >One example among innumerable examples would be the Atlanta Chinese >Christian Church: >http://www.accc.org Apropos of an earlier thread, has anyone looked at the name of the church on that page? Ten Chinese characters all in the old traditional written style First four, "Atlanta," characters used phonetically, not for their meanings. Next two, "flower people," i.e., Chinese; characters used for their meanings Next two, used phonetically for "Christian" Final two, used for their meaning, "instruction/doctrine/teaching meeting/gathering," traditionally used for "church" Contrary to Bob's reading, I find that page far more moderate and better founded on traditional church teaching than Chung's opinions as he posts them in newsgroups. > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <1134932510.487019.262020@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > founded on traditional church teaching than Chung's opinions as he posts > them in newsgroups. It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) The LORD is not a "moderate" for the truth is not the wide meandering road of "moderates" but the straight and narrow path that few will choose. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1134930322.552421.236810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of >> >> heart and reverence for the Lord" >> >> -Colossians 3:22 >> >"Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you >> >proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) >> Which is why only non-Christians were enslaved by the Church. >Which Christian church has enslaved anyone? The Caribbean colonies established with the help of Columbus and others following on his explorations. The missions in California in some instances treated the natives as slaves, even if perhaps not officially calling them that. >Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things >like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Andrew >http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <1134930322.552421.236810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The Caribbean colonies established with the help of Columbus and others > following on his explorations. Colonies are not churches. > The missions in California in some > instances treated the natives as slaves, even if perhaps not officially > calling them that. Some employers in the U.S. treat their employees as slaves. Does this mean there is still slavery in the U.S. ??? The question is rhetorical where everyone already knows the answer is "No" so don't bother to answer it unless you wish to look the part. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >> article <1134930322.552421.236810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Some employers in the U.S. treat their employees as slaves. Does this > mean there is still slavery in the U.S. ??? Yes it does. There is what amounts to slavery for some illegal immigrants, especially in the sex industry. There are near slavery conditions in some other economic sectors especially involving illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries. The authorities in the US generally do what they can to combat this. If they didn't, then they could realistically be considered to be condoning and facilitating slavery. The "churchs", Protestant and Catholic in the New World, largely condoned and even gave biblical arguments showing that slavery was god's will, with the exception of parts involved in the abolitionist movement in the years leading to the Civil War. The type of slavery the churchs condoned, especially in the Carribean and Latin America, was of a particluarly harsh and murderous nature, with people literally being worked to death and tortured for any sign of rebellion. There are accounts of Indian women killing their newborn in order to spare them what life had become. All this was done in times and places where the churchs had great authority. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1134950943.328879.59910@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >> article <1134930322.552421.236810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of >> >> >> heart and reverence for the Lord" >> >> >> -Colossians 3:22 >> >> >"Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you >> >> >proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) >> >> Which is why only non-Christians were enslaved by the Church. >> >Which Christian church has enslaved anyone? >> The Caribbean colonies established with the help of Columbus and others >> following on his explorations. >Colonies are not churches. The Spanish colonies were strongly under Catholic control. >> The missions in California in some >> instances treated the natives as slaves, even if perhaps not officially >> calling them that. >Some employers in the U.S. treat their employees as slaves. Does this >mean there is still slavery in the U.S. ??? AAMOF there have been several slavery cases in the US in the past few years, mostly illegal immigrants locked up and forced to work in factories. >The question is rhetorical where everyone already knows the answer is >"No" so don't bother to answer it unless you wish to look the part. Which part would that be? > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <1134950943.328879.59910@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > years, mostly **illegal** immigrants locked up and forced to work in > factories. **emphasis** added. Is it your assertion that these would be examples of some employers in the U.S. treating their employees as slaves ??? > >The question is rhetorical where everyone already knows the answer is > >"No" so don't bother to answer it unless you wish to look the part. > > Which part would that be? "... the mouth of the fool gushes folly." (Proverbs 15:2b) http://tinyurl.com/7eugq Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <43A57B9D.BFEEE4AD@heartmdphd.com>: >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of >> heart and reverence for the Lord" >> -Colossians 3:22 >"Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you >proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) You must use a different translation. My Isaiah 34.15 says "There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and gather her young . . . ." You will find your quote in Jeremiah 34:15*, though, which refers to the custom of seven year terms of servitude. Some were refusing to free their servants at the end of their terms, but the good guys were following the command to do so. * Actually you probably found it at the same Web site I did. However, it's hard to use this verse to counter Paul's instructions to the Colossian church a millennium or so later, isn't it? SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <43A57B9D.BFEEE4AD@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You will find your quote in Jeremiah 34:15* Yes. Sorry... that was my error, though the LORD guided me to His words concerning His opinion about what is right, I misreferenced them. >, though, which refers to the > custom of seven year terms of servitude. Actually, this referred to a covenant made by King Zedekiah with all the people in Jerusalem to free **all** the slaves at at time when he was about to be taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. > Some were refusing to free > their servants at the end of their terms, but the good guys were > following the command to do so. > > * Actually you probably found it at the same Web site I did. Actually, I did not. The LORD guided me to a printed Bible for those words. > However, it's hard to use this verse to counter Paul's instructions to > the Colossian church a millennium or so later, isn't it? No, because the LORD's opinion is timeless. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >>>>when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yes. Sorry... that was my error, though the LORD guided me to His > words concerning His opinion about what is right, I misreferenced them. Sure, Chung <VBG>. But when I "misreferenced" a quote, it was this huge deal that you felt the need to bring up several times as an illustration of incompetence rather than simple error. As you forgive yourself for here. Do unto others... Could you be more clownish...? Pastorio It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1134951005.663252.63430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >> article <43A57B9D.BFEEE4AD@heartmdphd.com>: >> >> "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only >> >> when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of >> >> heart and reverence for the Lord" >> >> -Colossians 3:22 >> >"Recently you repented and did what was right in My sight: Each of you >> >proclaimed freedom to his countrymen." (Isaiah 34:15) >> You must use a different translation. My Isaiah 34.15 says "There shall >> the owl nest and lay and hatch and gather her young . . . ." >> You will find your quote in Jeremiah 34:15* >Yes. Sorry... that was my error, though the LORD guided me to His >words concerning His opinion about what is right, I misreferenced them. >>, though, which refers to the >> custom of seven year terms of servitude. >Actually, this referred to a covenant made by King Zedekiah with all >the people in Jerusalem to free **all** the slaves at at time when he >was about to be taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. You obviously didn't read the entire passage. In v. 10 they set all the slaves free; in v. 11 "they turned around and took back the male and female slaves", and in v. 13-14 Jeremiah reminds them of God's command that "at the end of six years each of you must free the fellow Hebrew who has . . . served you six years." The rest of the chapter is as I described it. >> Some were refusing to free >> their servants at the end of their terms, but the good guys were >> following the command to do so. >> * Actually you probably found it at the same Web site I did. >Actually, I did not. The LORD guided me to a printed Bible for those >words. And you obviously never noticed or forgot which part of the printed Bible you were copying from. :-) >> However, it's hard to use this verse to counter Paul's instructions to >> the Colossian church a millennium or so later, isn't it? >No, because the LORD's opinion is timeless. But history and human affairs are not. >>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< What a beautiful thing that The Lord Jesus Christ can reach into the hearts of the captives and set them free. That in His life and Light He gives the captives The Almighty Lord God (Himself) over all men and that their masters shall learn to fear Him and revere His Word. Isn't it wonderful that in obedience and faith to Him without question, He will ultimately lead them out of their captivity. In Christ's love Carol T >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< > >What a beautiful thing that The Lord Jesus Christ can reach into the >hearts of the captives and set them free. By enslaving them? >Isn't it wonderful that in obedience and faith to Him without question, So you're saying Jesus is kind of like Osama Bin Laden! ----- Yang a.a. #28 AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka oleka2000@yahoo.com aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch) The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting The Bush Iraq lie: -2151 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless ----- "Now, did I want to go? Hell no." -duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63 year old mateless, heirless biological failure of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of the Vietnam War. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:22:08 -0800, in alt.atheism "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting a.s" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in <796cq15fp7ojvnk1bb8jtti1kssc2i7t55@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" >> -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >So you're saying Jesus is kind of like Osama Bin Laden! Not Jesus, but many of His supposed followers. Jesus didn't teach what too many supposed Christians teach today. Dear David, If we Christian's lived all our lives as Jesus preached then we would be Christ Himself. We are but sinners who strive to be as Him by the power of His Holy Spirit. There are times when we can succumb to temptations; to deny this would be to deny Christ's teaching altogether, as He teaches us about the 'wiles of the devil'. Prayer is like a part of the amour against evil. "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." KJ Eph 6:11 Therefore you are right, there are a few people who label themselves as Christian's, but who don't follow Christ's teachings. But we cannot chose who stands in His crowd to hear His Word, if we could most people would have banished the works of Judas from His book. It is our humanity which wants us to ban the truths of ourselves. Did you know that one of Jesus' last and greatest lessons to His disciples was to show them that in their deepest and darkest moments that they would forget Him and turn to the ways of man. If you don't believe me read about His time in the garden of Gethsemane. (Matthew 26:33-56) Do you think that you would have behaved differently than the disciples? No? Yet, they were holders of Christ's light, very close to Him and even they struggled with His standard and understanding what He wanted of them. Yet, who now is looking for a greater standard amongst those who are not even His diciples? Quite simply, if you want to know Christ's perfect standard then read it directly from The Bible. It is then that you can learn to follow Him, and in following Him lead others by example. We are what we are, humans, and not God Himself, so you will never find perfection amongst 'us'. " Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people." KJ Isa 62:10 In Christ's love Carol T If what you post is true, then produce this jesus/mary/god, so that it can prove its existence and powers. If you can't do that, then quit posting this rubbish and go away. Dear Jim, Firstly Mary is not God, she is the mother of Christ. It is not for me to call Jesus for your salvation, as they are your sins He will be taking to His cross, He already has mine. To be witness to God in your state of mind at this moment would be for me witnessing your terror. If you have to call your Lord and Saviour to test, then you have not trusted Him with your life. Your Lord reveals himself as Satan and you are already unwittingly in his service and have put your life in his hands. You should pray for your life in repentance. Accept Jesus into your life for the sake of your soul. "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." KJ Luke 4:8 "Christ alone can free man from what enslaves him to evil and selfishness: from the frantic search for material possessions, from the thirst for power and control over others and over things, from the illusion of easy success, from the frenzy of consumerism and hedonism which ultimately destroy the human being." By Pope John Paul II In Christ's love Carol T > Dear Jim, > > Firstly Mary is not God, she is the mother of Christ. People pray to her all the time. She's realistically part of your xian pantheon. And with feminism they need to modernize their myths to attract more dupes. see... http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm11.htm MARY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TRINITY Pope John Paul II -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our Lady, who was granted the dignity of being the Mother of God, is also the favoured daughter of the Father and the temple of the Holy Spirit Mary "is endowed with the high office and dignity of the Mother of the Son of God, and therefore she is also the beloved daughter of the Father and the temple of the Holy Spirit" (Lumen gentium, n. 53). With this quote from the Second Vatican Council, the Holy Father expressed in concise form the Trinitarian dimension of Marian doctrine, which was the subject of his catechesis at the General Audience of Wednesday, 10 January. Here is a translation of his address, which was the 11th in the series on the Blessed Virgin and was given in Italian. Dear Jim, Which mother who fully loves her child cannot act as an intercessor to bring His beloved to Him, so that His loved ones may meet their Lord and Saviour ? There are those who sound out their love of God before Mary, they bring to her their idea of salvation in Christ and their measure of love, and in return she brings to them Christ's measure, that they learn it is unconditional and received from Him and Him alone. The child of their beloved mother is sacrificed for their sin. Therefore in this revelation to their hearts, and for her sorrows, she has been endowed with a high office. They do not love her more than God, but she's with them and guiding them as they make their pathways straight. She is there with them at the foot of His cross. It the work of all mothers to guide their children towards God's light, it is her duty to be a temple to the Holy Spirit, and when a mother does this other children seek to be nearer to her, so that their pathway can be guided too and God's work be accomplished in other children. It is the nature of a child to seek out goodness and light and the nature of God to bring a child to a mother of His favour. And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me-holy is his name. His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation. He has performed mighty deeds with his arm; he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts. He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble. He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty. He has helped his servant Israel, remembering to be merciful to Abraham and his descendants forever, even as he said to our fathers." (Luke 1:46-55) In Christ's love Carol T >It is not for me to call Jesus for your salvation, as they are your >sins He will be taking to His cross, He already has mine. Now there you have a major difference, between us. You are quite happy to see someone else suffer for your misdeeds. I OTOH, can not. Nor can I permit another so suffer in my place, I could not be so base. So if someone claims that they are suffering for me, they lie. If they *are* suffering, it is by their own choice, but it is *not* for anything that I might have done. Grow up, and take responsibility, for your self, and for your actions. Dear David, If we Christian's lived all our lives as Jesus preached then we would be Christ Himself. We are but sinners who strive to be as Him by the power of His Holy Spirit. There are times when we can succumb to temptations; to deny this would be to deny Christ's teaching altogether, as He teaches us about the 'wiles of the devil'. Prayer is like a part of the amour against evil. "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." KJ Eph 6:11 Therefore you are right, there are a few people who label themselves as Christian's, but who don't follow Christ's teachings. But we cannot chose who stands in His crowd to hear His Word, if we could most people would have banished the works of Judas from His book. It is our humanity which wants us to ban the truths of ourselves. Did you know that one of Jesus' last and greatest lessons to His disciples was to show them that in their deepest and darkest moments that they would forget Him and turn to the ways of man. If you don't believe me read about His time in the garden of Gethsemane. (Matthew 26:33-56) Do you think that you would have behaved differently than the disciples? No? Yet, they were holders of Christ's light, very close to Him and even they struggled with His standard and understanding what He wanted of them. Yet, who now is looking for a greater standard amongst those who are not even His diciples? Quite simply, if you want to know Christ's perfect standard then read it directly from The Bible. It is then that you can learn to follow Him, and in following Him lead others by example. We are what we are, humans, and not God Himself, so you will never find perfection amongst 'us' unless at times you witness the Holy Spirit of Christ at work in our lives. " Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people." KJ Isa 62:10 In Christ's love Carol T > >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > By enslaving them? No. Here's how: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" >> > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp A good god would not have slavery. A good god would not condone the abuse of other humans. > >> >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > >> > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > A good god would not have slavery. A good god would not condone the > abuse of other humans. http://tinyurl.com/7eugq Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk Dear Yang, Tell me, who did The Lord Jesus Christ enslave ? " And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," KJ Luke 4:18-14 It's funny that you should talk about slavery. You see, 'we' can be slaves to the things of this earth, and yet the imprisoned can be freed by The Spirit. Temptation (4) 19 Dec 2005 '"TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH WILL I GRANT TO SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE..."' REVELATION 3:21 Before leaving the subject of temptation let's underscore the following truths: a) any weakness constantly indulged in, excused, denied or hidden, can enslave you b) failure to identify and target your dominant weakness guarantees defeat c) ignoring your weakness makes defeat inevitable d) satan's assigned certain people to feed your weakness. Be discerning! e) your weakness will be drawn to any friendship that accepts it, enjoys it and feeds on it f) your weakness has an agenda: to take over your life and sabotage God's plan for you g) your weakness will always bond with the wrong people and make you uncomfortable in the presence of the right ones h) your weakness can emerge at any time, including your closing years i) your weakness cannot be overcome by human reasoning or willpower j) God will permit you to enjoy success in various areas, even while your weakness is still operating within you. Why? Because He's long-suffering and merciful k) your loved ones are praying for you to triumph over your weakness, because that glorifies God - and sends a message that they too can be victorious l) overcoming your weakness brings great rewards. Listen: '"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent . . . To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne"' (Revelation 3:19-21 KJV). Understand this: God will not only help you to overcome your greatest weakness; but will help turn it into your greatest weapon!" http://www.ucb.co.uk/word_for_today In Christ's love Carol T > Dear Yang, > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Several amens :-)) Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk > Dear Yang, > > Tell me, who did The Lord Jesus Christ enslave ? You and Andrew are enslaved to his ridiculous cult. You're not free to think straight or honestly in conforming to all the cult rubbish associated this jesus/mary/god. Dear Jim, It is not a cult, it is faith in The Lord Jesus Christ. I belong to no-one but Him and through Him I have fellowship with others. If I am in service to Him I am free in that service and no longer a prisoner of sin. In Christ's love Carol T > Dear Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T Cult is defined by the loss of individuality and the suppression of free will. Cultism is a form of slavery. Those who follow Christ realize their potential for fuller lives with greater freedoms. This is exactly the opposite of cultism. In truth, atheism (running from the LORD) is closer to being cultism than walking with the LORD. Embracing that which is profane enslaves. This I have written with the LORD's guidance. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> Dear Jim, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > realize their potential for fuller lives with greater freedoms. This is > exactly the opposite of cultism. You need to be de-programmed. > >> Dear Jim, > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You need to be de-programmed. All my needs have already been met by Christ Jesus. It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)) In truth, atheism (running from the LORD) is closer to being cultism than walking with the LORD. Embracing that which is profane enslaves. This I continue to write with the LORD's guidance. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >> Dear Jim, > In truth, atheism (running from the LORD) is closer to being cultism > than walking with the LORD. Embracing that which is profane enslaves. > This I continue to write with the LORD's guidance. Really? What guidance? Produce your jesus/mary/god so we can see it exists. Can you do that? Real things can be proven. Next time you're receiving guidance, tell the "god" to appear and prove its existence and powers. You can't do that because your "god" is a fantasy. Dear Jim, >>>>>>>You need to be de-programmed.<<<<<<<<< "To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. It is our freedom to remain in Christ; not a bind but a joyful new birth." NKJ 1Peter 1:22-25 Seriously, a man of faith can understand the wisdom of pure faith and rebirth in Christ through salvation. Through my salvation I will right your world, along with the millions and millions world wide who share my love of The Lord. God so loved this world that He sent you His Son, so that you may have ever lasting life in Him. "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. " KJ John 3:14-19 In Christ's love Carol T > Dear Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is our freedom to remain in Christ; not a bind but a joyful new birth." > NKJ 1Peter 1:22-25 It's just a fantasy. If it's real, produce your jesus/mary/god for all to see. Things that are real can be proven. See the movie "A Beautiful Mind (2001)". It was very instructive about a person having delusions and how he overcame it. >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. You were an atheist? Tell us about it. Tell us what your thoughts were, as an atheist. BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians > >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having > >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. > > You were an atheist? All are atheists before placing their faith in the LORD. Such is the original sin. > Tell us about it. Just did. > Tell us what your thoughts were, as an atheist. Frustration and despair. > BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians In truth, anyone who claims to be an atheist has never placed their faith in the LORD. LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: http://tinyurl.com/7f8ql Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. >> >> You were an atheist? > >All are atheists before placing their faith in the LORD. Your honesty is appreciated. >Such is the original sin. Is that why God forced sin on us? >> Tell us about it. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Frustration and despair. That seems to be what God wants. >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians > >In truth, anyone who claims to be an atheist has never placed their >faith in the LORD. There are still some rational people. >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: Its lucky we have Jesus to defend us from God. >Andrew Barry ===== Home page http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og > >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having > >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Your honesty is appreciated. You are welcome to the truth. No one owns it. > >Such is the original sin. > > Is that why God forced sin on us? The original sin arises from personal choice which is the exercise of the free will that the LORD has generously given each of us. None of us have been forced to either reject HIM or to place our faith in HIM. > >> Tell us about it. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That seems to be what God wants. To the contrary. > >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians > > > >In truth, anyone who claims to be an atheist has never placed their > >faith in the LORD. > > There are still some rational people. Rational by the world's standards especially concerning sin is irrational by the LORD's. > >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: > > Its lucky we have Jesus to defend us from God. LORD Jesus Christ is GOD Almighty. They are One and the same: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp There is no such thing as either lucky or unlucky: Proverbs 16:33 Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05): http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt In Christ's love always, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having >> >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >You are welcome to the truth. No one owns it. Some Christians like to think they have a franchise on truth. >> >Such is the original sin. >> >> Is that why God forced sin on us? > >The original sin arises from personal choice which is the exercise of >the free will that the LORD has generously given each of us. God does seem very generous with the abuse he gives us. >None of us >have been forced to either reject HIM or to place our faith in HIM. I can't agree with that. Many people only believe because their parents forced it on them when they were young. Can you choose to be rational and not believe? >> >> Tell us about it. >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >To the contrary. Possibly the most important statements in the bible are where Jesus says that all things are possible for God, because that knowledge affects the way we understand God. It means that God always has everything just as he wants it, so if you experience frustration and despair its because God wanted it that way. >> >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Rational by the world's standards especially concerning sin is >irrational by the LORD's. That means God is irrational by our standards, and it is our standards that count. >> >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: >> >> Its lucky we have Jesus to defend us from God. > >LORD Jesus Christ is GOD Almighty. They are One and the same: So God defends us from himself? The bible says a kingdom divided against itself will fall. Does that mean God's kingdom will fail? >There is no such thing as either lucky or unlucky: Perhaps, yet it often seems like it. For example, it seems that we struck out in a big way when we ended up with the irrational and evil Christian God. >For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for >how the LORD has reshaped me: Its bad luck that the LORD has it in for you. >In Christ's love always, Is that the love that is so great that we need to be reminded about it? >Andrew Barry ===== Home page http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og > >> >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having > >> >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Some Christians like to think they have a franchise on truth. Not the ones who are able to discern the truth. > >> >Such is the original sin. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > God does seem very generous with the abuse he gives us. There are more difficulties and disappointments when we choose to oppose the LORD's will. > >None of us > >have been forced to either reject HIM or to place our faith in HIM. > > I can't agree with that. That would be your choice. > Many people only believe because their parents > forced it on them when they were young. If that is the only reason for faith in the LORD, there is no faith. > Can you choose to be rational > and not believe? Those without truth as an anchor lack the strength to resist descending into irrationality. > >> >> Tell us about it. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > God. It means that God always has everything just as he wants it, so if you experience > frustration and despair its because God wanted it that way. You are forgetting your own free will and that the frustration and despair arise when you pit your will against the LORD's will only to invariably find that HIS will is infinitely greater than yours. > >> >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That means God is irrational by our standards, and it is our standards that count. Only the LORD's standards matter here. > >> >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So God defends us from himself? No. The LORD defends us against the charges filed by the plaintiff (satan): http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp > The bible says a kingdom divided against itself > will fall. Does that mean God's kingdom will fail? No. See above. > >There is no such thing as either lucky or unlucky: > > Perhaps, yet it often seems like it. For example, it seems that we struck out > in a big way when we ended up with the irrational and evil Christian God. The LORD remains kind, just, and right. > >For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for > >how the LORD has reshaped me: > > Its bad luck that the LORD has it in for you. No such thing as luck either good or bad: Proverbs 16:33 > >In Christ's love always, > > Is that the love that is so great that we need to be reminded about it? John 3:16 Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >> >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having >> >> >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Not the ones who are able to discern the truth. God's great love for us plus his ability to do all things ensures that we are all able to discern the truth. >> >> >Such is the original sin. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >There are more difficulties and disappointments when we choose to >oppose the LORD's will. God sure has it in for us, yet we can only be the way God made us, and all things are possible for God, meaning that we are the way God wants us. >> >None of us >> >have been forced to either reject HIM or to place our faith in HIM. >> >> I can't agree with that. > >That would be your choice. God's choice really, since I can only be the way God made me. >> Many people only believe because their parents >> forced it on them when they were young. > >If that is the only reason for faith in the LORD, there is no faith. Its certainly not rational to believe in God. >> Can you choose to be rational >> and not believe? > >Those without truth as an anchor lack the strength to resist descending >into irrationality. Doesn't God's great love for us ensure that we all have truth as an anchor? If not then God's love would seem to be meaningless. So its lack of knowledge of truth that causes Christianity? >> >> >> Tell us about it. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >despair arise when you pit your will against the LORD's will only to >invariably find that HIS will is infinitely greater than yours. No. You are ignoring the fact that everything is always just as God wants it. >> >> >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Only the LORD's standards matter here. The LORD'S standards are irrational and thus meaningless to us. We survive only by defying our God given nature. God thinks everything is good. We disagree. >> >> >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >No. The LORD defends us against the charges filed by the plaintiff >(satan): I see. God uses Satan as a scapegoat. Have you considered the possibility that God and Satan may be different personalities of the one being? When God does evil it is his Satan personality, and on the very rare occasion when God does good it is his God personality. >> The bible says a kingdom divided against itself >> will fall. Does that mean God's kingdom will fail? > >No. See above. Yet God is divided against himself. God has no need to create adversaries yet he does. >> >There is no such thing as either lucky or unlucky: >> >> Perhaps, yet it often seems like it. For example, it seems that we struck out >> in a big way when we ended up with the irrational and evil Christian God. > >The LORD remains kind, just, and right. And it shows! If God wasn't all those things there would be terrible suffering and much injustice in the world. Oh, wait............... >> >For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for >> >how the LORD has reshaped me: >> >> Its bad luck that the LORD has it in for you. > >No such thing as luck either good or bad: Perhaps, yet it often seems like it. For example, it seems that we struck out in a big way when we ended up with the irrational and evil Christian God. >> >In Christ's love always, >> >> Is that the love that is so great that we need to be reminded about it? I see you didn't answer. Something for you to think about. >Andrew Barry ===== Home page http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og > >> >> >> >"To what, don't forget we have also stood in your shoes, and having > >> >> >> >tasted of greater things in Christ's salvation never want to return. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > God's great love for us plus his ability to do all things ensures that we > are all able to discern the truth. Actually, the LORD's gift of truth discernment is given only per the LORD's will and only when the LORD is asked through prayer (1 Kings 3:9-12). Just as there are those who will always be blind, there are those who will never discern the truth during there time in this world. The LORD is the way, **the** truth, and the life: http://tinyurl.com/2ndof > >> >> >Such is the original sin. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > God sure has it in for us, yet we can only be the way God made us, and all > things are possible for God, meaning that we are the way God wants us. Actually, through the free will generously given by the LORD, we are the way we choose to be. The LORD suggests that we stand on the right side which is at HIS side. HIS two most important commands are: (1) Love GOD with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. (2) Love others as you would yourself. > >> >None of us > >> >have been forced to either reject HIM or to place our faith in HIM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > God's choice really, since I can only be the way God made me. Actually, whether to agree or not remains your choice. > >> Many people only believe because their parents > >> forced it on them when they were young. > > > >If that is the only reason for faith in the LORD, there is no faith. > > Its certainly not rational to believe in God. Everyone believes in GOD from the outset. Just because you choose to run away from the LORD does not mean you stop believing in Him. Indeed, satan believes in the LORD even though he hates the LORD more than anyone else in this world. > >> Can you choose to be rational > >> and not believe? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Doesn't God's great love for us ensure that we all have truth as an anchor? No. That would be a choice. > If not then God's love would seem to be meaningless. John 3:16 > So its lack of knowledge of truth that causes Christianity? Being without the truth is the default state of atheism. > >> >> >> Tell us about it. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > No. You are ignoring the fact that everything is always just as God wants it. You are forgetting the free will generously given by the LORD to you and all others. > >> >> >> BTW, most of the older atheists in these groups, are recovered xtians > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The LORD'S standards are irrational and thus meaningless to us. You remind me of the inmates who are running the asylum. > We survive only > by defying our God given nature. Without the LORD, you are doomed. > God thinks everything is good. The LORD will judge: http://tinyurl.com/7axzq > We disagree. It would be your choice to side with satan. > >> >> >LORD Jesus Christ is the way, **the** truth, and the life: > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Have you considered the possibility that God and Satan may be different > personalities of the one being? "A kingdom divided can not stand." > When God does evil it is his Satan personality, > and on the very rare occasion when God does good it is his God personality. The LORD remains kind, just, and right. > >> The bible says a kingdom divided against itself > >> will fall. Does that mean God's kingdom will fail? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yet God is divided against himself. God has no need to create adversaries yet > he does. Being adversarial is a choice which is an exercise of the free will generously given by the LORD. > >> >There is no such thing as either lucky or unlucky: > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And it shows! It does. > If God wasn't all those things there would be terrible suffering > and much injustice in the world. If the LORD were not kind, just, and right, there would be no one walking with Him. > Oh, wait............... It would not be wise to wait too long. > >> >For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for > >> >how the LORD has reshaped me: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Perhaps, yet it often seems like it. For example, it seems that we struck out > in a big way when we ended up with the irrational and evil Christian God. The LORD remains kind, just, and right. > >> >In Christ's love always, > >> > >> Is that the love that is so great that we need to be reminded about it? > > I see you didn't answer. Actually, my answer is within John 3:16 > Something for you to think about. All the time: http://tinyurl.com/b6p65 Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk snip >Actually, the LORD's gift of truth discernment is given only per the >LORD's will and only when the LORD is asked through prayer (1 Kings >3:9-12). How cool! So all the a.sholes praying for Intelligent Design are getting rat f.cked by their own god. Warlord Steve BAAWA www.sonic.net/~wooly > snip > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How cool! The LORD's the coolest :-)) May the LORD bless the gifts and the givers and all that is done in HIS name this day which HE has made and set aside for celebrating HIS birth as the Son of Man, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk >> >The original sin arises from personal choice which is the exercise of >> >the free will that the LORD has generously given each of us. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There are more difficulties and disappointments when we choose to > oppose the LORD's will. Nobody really knows the "lord's" will or even if he/she/it exists. If your jesus/mary/god really exists, why doesn't it show itself plainly and make known what it wants from mankind? That is, IF it really exists. Happy Winter solstice, Saturnalia, and/or christmas everyone, (you included Andy) !!! > Dear Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > In Christ's love > Carol T You and Andrew are enslaved to his ridiculous cult. You're not free to think straight or honestly in conforming to all the cult rubbish associated this jesus/mary/god. >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >gives the captives The Almighty Lord God (Himself) over all men and >that their masters shall learn to fear Him and revere His Word. Except that they aren't free. They are still slaves who have had additional fetters. >Isn't it wonderful that in obedience and faith to Him without question, >He will ultimately lead them out of their captivity. How? This looks like an excuse to make the rich and powerful look good. I cannot see how anyone who calls themselves Christian could have ever held slaves. > >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > > -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Except that they aren't free. They are still slaves who have had > additional fetters. No fetters here: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/22/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/cpayh For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt Many Christmas blessings, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk Dear David, How can a chained man be free in the Lord? Ask a man who has been freed in The Lord. "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you, not as the world giveth, give I unto you". >>>>>Christian could have ever held slaves. <<<<<< Umm, Christ's salvation is a salvation of good conscience towards God, if you know of a Christian who is holding slaves then you are also looking at a shadow of the content of his soul. Therefore, if you do not witness them striving to be as Christ why do you call them Christ's followers? If you are diserning the behaviour of others by Christ's standard then it is His standard that you are calling for in your life. Why then not accept Him fully into your own life ? In Christ's love Carol T >>>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Isn't it wonderful that in obedience and faith to Him without question, > He will ultimately lead them out of their captivity. Please, let me take a moment to barf. There. Thank you. > In Christ's love > Carol T SignatureOlrik aa #1981 Qualified SMASH member EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division >>>>>>>>>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord" -Colossians 3:22 <<<<<<<<<<<< What a beautiful thing that The Lord Jesus Christ can reach into the hearts of the captives and set them free. That in His life and Light He gives the capti |
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