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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2005The *real* omer, again
omer a ancient unit of volume for grains and dry commodities, used in the Bible. The omer was equal to 0.1 ephah; this is believed to equal about 4.032 liters, 246.05 cubic inches, 0.9154 U.S.dry gallon, or 0.8869 British imperial gallon. <http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictO.html> <http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html> Why the different volumes given for it from different sources? Because it was created by humans who used it for different purposes as time passed. Just like the definitions of barrel diverged. Glimpses into only a tiny part the enormous variety of standards. <http://www.ex.ac.uk/cimt/dictunit/dictunit.htm> Pastorio The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches (including the jar with an omer of manna) of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > omer > a ancient unit of volume for grains and dry commodities, used in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pastorio > The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an > omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). Aside from the fact that my posts didn't come from a dictionary, the information surrounding what an omer is has been present for millennia. And it had nothing to do with weight until Chung decided it reinforced his wacko diet. He top-posts to try to divert attention from the information below it. Rather than to offer *supported* information himself. Poor guy... Pastorio >>omer >> a ancient unit of volume for grains and dry commodities, used in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Pastorio > > The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an > > omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). > > Aside from the fact that my posts didn't come from a dictionary, the > information surrounding what an omer is has been present for millennia. The location of the jar containing an omer of manna remains unknown. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: >> > The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an >> > omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). >> Aside from the fact that my posts didn't come from a dictionary, the >> information surrounding what an omer is has been present for millennia. >The location of the jar containing an omer of manna remains unknown. Along with the location of Eden, the location of Noah's Ark, the location of the Ark of the Covenant, and a few other things, none of which are relevant to the amount of material contained in an omer. You may be the only one who doesn't understand that preserving an omer of manna is not intended to preserve knowledge of the measurement but of God's goodness in providing the manna.  SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > location of the Ark of the Covenant, and a few other things, none of > which are relevant to the amount of material contained in an omer. The jar containing an omer of manna is, however, relevant to the amount that the Lord commanded through Moses in Exodus 16:16 for His people to eat. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that the Lord commanded through Moses in Exodus 16:16 for His people to > eat. Not at all. It was how much he commanded them to *gather.* 16:8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what [are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against the LORD. 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God. 16:13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. The people were given birds in the evening and bread (manna) in the morning. So the diet was an undisclosed amount of poultry each evening and an omer *allocation* per person - the total gathered was an omer per person - not that each person ate an omer. 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. 16:18 And when they did mete [it] with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating. "They gathered every man according to his eating." Each person picked up as much as he needed; some more than an omer, some less, but it averaged out to an omer per person *gathered*. Not that they all ate the same amounts. They each ate to suit themselves. Pastorio > >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Not at all. It was how much he commanded them to *gather.* Incorrect. 16 This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Each one is to gather as much as he needs. Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.' They were commanded to gather "as much as he needs" but each person in their respective families were to eat only an omer. Truth is simple. http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>>>article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Incorrect. Correct. The words are exact. They say to "gather." > 16 This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Each one is to gather as much > as he needs. Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.' > > They were commanded to gather "as much as he needs" but each person in > their respective families were to eat only an omer. It specifically doesn't say that. Note that the word "eat" appears nowhere in that quotation. But "gather" does. God defined the *average volume* that people would eat - of manna. Beyond the daily poultry he also provided. 16:8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what [are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against the LORD. God also provided quails for the people to eat. Even if an omer were a measure of weight, the additional meat would make it irrelevant as a total amount to be eaten. God didn't stop them from eating anything else they could find - didn't tell them they could *only* eat manna - and in fact gave them the birds to eat *in addition* to the manna. 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God. 16:13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. The people were given birds in the evening and bread (manna) in the morning. So the diet was an undisclosed amount of poultry each evening and an omer *allocation* per person - the total gathered was an omer per person - not that each person ate an omer. 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. 16:18 And when they did mete [it] with an omer, [this means to "measure" with an omer - a vessel into which manna was placed to determine its volume] *he that gathered much* had nothing over, and *he that gathered little* had no lack; *they gathered every man according to his eating*. "They gathered every man according to his eating." Each person picked up as much as he needed; some more than an omer, some less, but it averaged out to an omer per person *gathered*. Not that they all ate the same amounts. They each ate to suit themselves. Nowhere does it say that they were to each eat an omer. In fact, it says that "they gathered every man according to his eating." Each gathered as much as he wanted to eat and the total came to an omer per person. There was specifically no portion established for each person to eat, merely that an omer was the average. It doesn't say that each person was to eat an omer of manna and it doesn't imply that. And, in any event, since we know nothing about manna, we can't extrapolate from it to our modern diets. Pastorio > >>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>>>article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > 16 This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Each one is to gather **as much > > as he needs.** Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.' **emphasis added** > Correct. The words are exact. They say to "gather." The command was not to gather an omer but "as much as he needs." Please note the **emphasis**. Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > The command was not to gather an omer but "as much as he needs." Please > note the **emphasis**. The emphasis shows a misunderstanding of the post to which this is a reply. And a demolition of Chung's assertion that all people are directed to eat an omer each day based on Exodus 16:16. "15 3 On seeing it, the Israelites asked one another, "What is this?" for they did not know what it was. But Moses told them, "This is the bread which the LORD has given you to eat. 16 "Now, this is what the LORD has commanded. So gather it that everyone has enough to eat, an omer for each person, as many of you as there are, each man providing for those of his own tent." 17 The Israelites did so. Some gathered a large and some a small amount. 18 4 But when they measured it out by the omer, he who had gathered a large amount did not have too much, and he who had gathered a small amount did not have too little. They so gathered that everyone had enough to eat." The *total* gathered was an omer per person. But, as Chung notes above each "so gathered that everyone had enough to eat." The combined total of manna gathered each day came to an omer per person. Some ate more, some ate less manna. We know they also ate quail. We don't know what else they might have eaten. Locust beans grew in the desert. Other edible plants. Other animals. It's likely they supplemented their quail and manna rations. From sheer boredom. "3 [15] What is this: the original man hu is thus rendered by the ancient versions, which understood the phrase as a popular etymology of the Hebrew word man, "manna"; some render, "This is manna." 4 [18] St. Paul cites this passage as an example of equitable sharing. Cf 2 Cor 8:15." <http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/exodus/exodus16.htm> Pastorio > >>>>>>>>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an > >>>>>>>>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The emphasis shows a misunderstanding of the post to which this is a > reply. It is clear that you are unable to discern the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>>>>>>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an >>>>>>>>>>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > It is clear that you are unable to discern the truth: Write the truth, Andrew. The truth is that you believe I don't have the ability to discern the truth. It is far from clear to any rational person who relies on documentable information, not some occult divination. But since you only offer your opinions without substantiation beyond that, your opinion has only the value of an opinion. God told them each to gather what they each needed. Differing amounts for each person. But when the gathering was done and the results were measured, the total amounted to an omer per person. Pastorio > >>>>>>>>>>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an > >>>>>>>>>>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Write the truth, Andrew. It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully, dear Bob. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bob (this one) wrote in article <11e65sqkadg71d3@corp.supernews.com>: >>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>>article <42E21F1E.A833C55B@heartmdphd.com>: >>>>>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an >>>>>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). >>>>>Aside from the fact that my posts didn't come from a dictionary, the >>>>>information surrounding what an omer is has been present for millennia. >>>>The location of the jar containing an omer of manna remains unknown. >>>Along with the location of Eden, the location of Noah's Ark, the >>>location of the Ark of the Covenant, and a few other things, none of >>>which are relevant to the amount of material contained in an omer. >> The jar containing an omer of manna is, however, relevant to the amount >> that the Lord commanded through Moses in Exodus 16:16 for His people to >> eat. >Not at all. It was how much he commanded them to *gather.* >16:8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when the LORD shall give you in >the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that >the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what >[are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against the LORD. >16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto >them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be >filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God. And Shakespeare discerned that God spoke of "a pound of flesh" which added to the near-gallon of manna probably greatly exceeded two pounds of food or 3,000 calories, whichever came first. >16:13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered >the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. >The people were given birds in the evening and bread (manna) in the >morning. So the diet was an undisclosed amount of poultry each evening >and an omer *allocation* per person - the total gathered was an omer per >person - not that each person ate an omer. >16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. >16:18 And when they did mete [it] with an omer, he that gathered much >had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered >every man according to his eating. >"They gathered every man according to his eating." Each person picked up >as much as he needed; some more than an omer, some less, but it averaged >out to an omer per person *gathered*. Not that they all ate the same >amounts. They each ate to suit themselves. SignatureDon Kirkman >>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an >>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The location of the jar containing an omer of manna remains unknown. *You're* talking about a jar. Everybody else is talking about an omer, not *the* omer of manna. The omer was used before and after the 40 years in the desert. It still is in modern rituals of Judaica. They - the people who invented it - say it's a measure of volume. You keep insisting that the inventor has the right to name and describe the invention, not anyone else. So if you insist that the 2 pound diet isn't a diet because you invented it, so an omer is a measure of volume because the people who invented it say it's a unit of volume. *This* truth is simple. Pastorio > >>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an > >>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > *You're* talking about a jar. Actually I am writing about **the** jar that Mose had Aaron set aside as a "time capsule" so that future generations will know what manna was and how much an omer is (Exodus 16:33). In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: >> >>>The information about the *real* omer resides in a jar containing an >> >>>omer of manna and not in a dictionary (Exodus 16:33). >> >>Aside from the fact that my posts didn't come from a dictionary, the >> >>information surrounding what an omer is has been present for millennia. >> > The location of the jar containing an omer of manna remains unknown. >> *You're* talking about a jar. >Actually I am writing about **the** jar that Mose had Aaron set aside as >a "time capsule" so that future generations will know what manna was and >how much an omer is (Exodus 16:33). Yes, you're still talking about the irrelevant jar, which existed only to preserve the one omer of manna which it contained. Have you never seen 8 ounces of coffee in a four-cup pot? SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Yes, you're still talking about the irrelevant jar, which existed only > to preserve the one omer of manna which it contained. This jar was purposefully set aside so that future generations will know how much is the *real* omer described in Exodus 16:16. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > This jar was purposefully set aside so that future generations will know > how much is the *real* omer described in Exodus 16:16. God doesn't say that. He says to preserve an omer of manna in a jar. No indication of the size of the jar. But preserving the specific volume was an unnecessary gesture because future generations had no need of that measure, as note that everywhere that omer was used now uses the metric system for formal measure. And religious ritual is the only place in the modern world that uses it, and the specific volume of an omer isn't important. Like many other ancient measures, the omer is obsolete and has no meaning to the contemporary person. Since God didn't say that the Israelites should eat an omer of manna (while he also gave them quails to eat), only that they would gather an average of an omer per person. He didn't say that they *should* gather than much, only that they *would* gather that much *on average*. Each would eat according to what suited each one. Pastorio > >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > God doesn't say that. Correct. This was Moses' idea. From Exodus 16: 33 So Moses said to Aaron, "Take a jar and put an omer of manna in it. Then place it before the LORD to be kept for the generations to come." In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>>>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Correct. This was Moses' idea. No, It wasn't. 16:32 says whose idea it was. Moses was just a messenger. > From Exodus 16: > 33 So Moses said to Aaron, "Take a jar and put an omer of manna in it. > Then place it before the LORD to be kept for the generations to come." Take a jar - any jar of unspecified volume sufficient to contain an omer - and put an omer of manna in it, per God's instructions. But you're trying to make your erroneous case with the single verse. Here's the context: "32 Moses said, "This is what the LORD has commanded. Keep an omerful of manna for your descendants, that they may see what food I gave you to eat in the desert when I brought you out of the land of Egypt."" Note that it doesn't say "how much" it only says "what food." And it says who commanded what. This was God's doing so future generations *may see what food* he gave the Israelites. ?33 6 Moses then told Aaron, "Take an urn and put an omer of manna in it. Then place it before the LORD in safekeeping for your descendants." 34 7 So Aaron placed it in front of the commandments for safekeeping, as the LORD had commanded Moses. 35 The Israelites ate this manna for forty years, until they came to settled land; they ate manna until they reached the borders of Canaan. 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)" 6 [33] Urn: according to the Greek translation, which is followed in Hebrews 9:4, this was a golden vessel. 7 [34] The commandments: the two tablets of the ten commandments, which were kept in the ark. Cf Exodus 25:16, 21, 22. <http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/exodus/exodus16.htm> So, God's idea; Moses as messenger. The Israelites ate quail in the evenings and manna in the mornings. Pastorio >>>>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>>>> article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Note that it doesn't say "how much" it only says "what food." Unclear sentence. The passage doesn't say that the people need to see how much, just that they need to see "what food." How much is contained in toto is essentially irrelevant. The various translations offer a full perspective that the container was irrelevant and the actual amount was likewise irrelevant. What was important was that future generations could see *what* God gave them to eat. There's a good reason to cite an omer as a good unit. "An omer is an ancient unit of measure used in the era of the Temple in Jerusalem. The word omer is sometimes translated as sheaf — specifically, an amount of grain large enough to require bundling." Pastorio > And it > says who commanded what. This was God's doing so future generations *may [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Pastorio It seems you have descended to muttering to yourself again. God is omnipotent: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA God is the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to God is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >>>>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>>>> article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > > Pastorio [snip] >>>>>>>>>>>> The information about the *real* omer resides >>>>>>>>>>>> in a jar containing an omer of manna and not in [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] >>> >>> Pastorio > >>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>>>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > No, It wasn't. As if you were able to discern the truth. > 16:32 says whose idea it was. Moses was just a messenger. Actually, it is written in Exodus 16:32 that Moses claimed that the Lord commanded it: 32 Moses said, "This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Take an omer of manna and keep it for the generations to come, so they can see the bread I gave you to eat in the desert when I brought you out of Egypt.' " The absence of this jar indicates that this act was not commanded by the Lord (God can give us manna any time after all). God is omnipotent: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA God is the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to God is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in >>>>>>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > As if you were able to discern the truth. As if you could ever prove your "truth" to a reasonable person who relies on God-given intelligence and not some occult divination with no means of rationality. You make this "discernment" curiously close to some kind of reading God's mind. >>16:32 says whose idea it was. Moses was just a messenger. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > manna and keep it for the generations to come, so they can see the bread > I gave you to eat in the desert when I brought you out of Egypt.' " God told them to keep manna "so they can see the bread," not so they can see a jar of a certain size. > The absence of this jar indicates that this act was not commanded by the > Lord (God can give us manna any time after all). Of course God can give us manna any time. But he told them to save some with the clear implication that he wasn't going to do it again. Otherwise God looks the fool. And what should the manna be put into if not the *only* practical long-term storage device they had? The omer as familiar quantity proceeds from: "An omer is an ancient unit of measure used in the era of the Temple in Jerusalem. The word omer is sometimes translated as sheaf — specifically, an amount of grain large enough to require bundling." Every farmer would know how much that was. And it was a rough measure by volume. And it was manna that provided much of their daily food. Along with quails and such side dishes and garnishes as they wished, since none were forbidden. So an omer of manna per person *gathered* but eaten in the quantity that suited each person, plus the quails and whatever else they could find to eat, should they want variety. Pastorio > >>>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > >>>>>>article <42E374CF.2108F530@heartmdphd.com>: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > relies on God-given intelligence and not some occult divination with no > means of rationality. You remind me of the blind man who would jealously covet the vision of the seeing. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>As if you were able to discern the truth. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You remind me of the blind man who would jealously covet the vision of > the seeing. Chung at his finest. The subject is the volumetric measure of an omer of manna sequestered in a jar of unknown size, shape, dimensions - or whereabouts - and he's posting bullshit about his obviously inoperative "truth discernment" instead of actually responding to the issues raised. And it's amazing how so many people remind him of so much denigratory and insulting stuff. It's his way of showing his "love" for all. An omer (measured by volume) was to have been put into the only permanent storage container (of indeterminate size) the ancients had, to contain the miraculous manna so future generations could see what God fed the Israelites in the 40-year trek. Presumably, God didn't need to preserve quails he also fed them with, since there was only the miraculous delivery, not any sort of miraculous creation for the occasion. Quails were common before then and still are. So, for forty years, the Israelites survived on whatever amount of manna suited them plus the quails of the evening. Looks like it varied drastically from person to person, according to the passages of Exodus. So no ideal amount for everyone all the time. Pastorio > >>>As if you were able to discern the truth. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <hiss sputter hiss hiss> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly: It's wonderful when you play the buffoon. Saves the rest of us the trouble of proving it anew each time. But your deletion of the substance of my note rather more proves the scarcity of anything to say of value. Chung at his finest. The subject is the volumetric measure of an omer of manna sequestered in a jar of unknown size, shape, dimensions - or whereabouts - and he's posting bullshit about his obviously inoperative "truth discernment" instead of actually responding to the issues raised. And it's amazing how so many people remind him of so much denigratory and insulting stuff. It's his way of showing his "love" for all. An omer (measured by volume) was to have been put into the only permanent storage container (of indeterminate size) the ancients had, to contain the miraculous manna so future generations could see what God fed the Israelites in the 40-year trek. Ironic that the jar and its manna are lost, so the miracle cannot be seen. Funny that God didn't make sure it would be protected if it was to show all future generations what they ate. Presumably, God didn't need to preserve quails he also fed them with, since there was only the miraculous delivery, not any sort of miraculous creation for the occasion. Quails were common before then and still are. So, for forty years, the Israelites survived on whatever amount of manna suited them plus the quails of the evening. Looks like it varied drastically from person to person, according to the passages of Exodus. So no ideal amount for everyone all the time. Wonder what veggies they ate. Presumably they ate dates and other desert-growing fruits and plants. Did they ever kill an animal besides the quails? Drink and ferment the milk of camels as other desert-dwellers did? Did they have goats and cattle? Likelihood? Looks like it would be great. Beyond the food value, they were sources of leather for shoes and sandals. Some animal hair was made into fabrics. Others came from plant fibers. All required looms except felted materials. Over the forty years, they needed new clothing, new cooking vessels, new tent materials. Traditional medicines. Things wore out and needed to be replaced. No mention of these things. Clothing for teh newborns - for surely there had to be newborns or they entire group would have soon perished since the women would have been beyond child-bearing age by the end of the trek. Pastorio > >>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly: <hiss sputter hiss hiss> God is omnipotent: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA God is the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to God is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > <hiss sputter hiss hiss> I guess Andrew can't really deal with all these issues being raised and has devolved merely into name calling and doing his old-news hiss business. What a zany guy. Has nothing to say but posts anyway, and nasty at that. Let's get back to the subject... The subject is the volumetric measure of an omer of manna sequestered in a jar of unknown size, shape, dimensions - or whereabouts - and he's posting bullshit about his obviously inoperative "truth discernment" instead of actually responding to the issues raised. And it's amazing how so many people remind him of so much denigratory and insulting stuff. It's his way of showing his "love" for all. An omer (measured by volume) was to have been put into the only permanent storage container (of indeterminate size) the ancients had, to contain the miraculous manna so future generations could see what God fed the Israelites in the 40-year trek. Ironic that the jar and its manna are lost, so the miracle cannot be seen. Funny that God didn't make sure it would be protected if it was to show all future generations what they ate. Presumably, God didn't need to preserve quails he also fed them with, since there was only the miraculous delivery, not any sort of miraculous creation for the occasion. Quails were common before then and still are. So, for forty years, the Israelites survived on whatever amount of manna suited them plus the quails of the evening. Looks like it varied drastically from person to person, according to the passages of Exodus. So no ideal amount for everyone all the time. Wonder what veggies they ate. Presumably they ate dates and other desert-growing fruits and plants. Did they ever kill an animal besides the quails? Drink and ferment the milk of camels as other desert-dwellers did? Did they have goats and cattle? Likelihood? Looks like it would be great. Beyond the food value, they were sources of leather for shoes and sandals. Some animal hair was made into fabrics. Others came from plant fibers. All required looms except felted materials. Over the forty years, they needed new clothing, new cooking vessels, new tent materials. Traditional medicines. Things wore out and needed to be replaced. No mention of these things. Clothing for the newborns - for surely there had to be newborns or they entire group would have soon perished since the women would have been beyond child-bearing age by the end of the trek. Pastorio > >>>>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth. > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > has devolved merely into name calling and doing his old-news hiss > business. What a zany guy. Sorry my calling you Bob bothers you so much. It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. Please forgive me for my choice. About the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>>>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully. How can you bear to so obviously, so blatantly show yourself to be so dishonest? You know full well that Bob is not what I'm referring to. You know full well that what you deleted tells the story in truth. Yet you make a deliberate misstatement - a deliberate falsehood - and then say you tell the truth. Are you so far gone as to believe that this kind of wiseguy duplicity is doing the lord's work? Can you actually believe that this is the sort of behavior that will be helpful on judgement day? Do you not see that this mocks Jesus and his honesty? It's a travesty on truthfulness that you do. Your inability to answer the questions that your shallow assertions create speaks to all the falsity about you. And here, below, is what Andrew simply can't answer. So he does that evasive foolishness above. So, for forty years, the Israelites survived on whatever amount of manna suited them plus the quails of the evening. Looks like it varied drastically from person to person, according to the passages of Exodus. So no ideal amount for everyone all the time. Wonder what veggies they ate. Presumably they ate dates and other desert-growing fruits and plants. Did they ever kill an animal besides the quails? Drink and ferment the milk of camels as other desert-dwellers did? Did they have goats and cattle? Likelihood? Looks like it would be great. Beyond the food value, they were sources of leather for shoes and sandals. Some animal hair was made into fabrics. Others came from plant fibers. All required looms except felted materials. Over the forty years, they needed new clothing, new cooking vessels, new tent materials. Traditional medicines. Things wore out and needed to be replaced. No mention of these things. Clothing for the newborns - for surely there had to be newborns or they entire group would have soon perished since the women would have been beyond child-bearing age by the end of the trek. Pastorio <snip> > >>I guess Andrew can't really deal with all these issues being raised and > >>has devolved merely into name calling and doing his old-news hiss [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How can you bear to so obviously, so blatantly show yourself to be so > dishonest? You know full well that Bob is not what I'm referring to. I have not called you by any other name, dear Bob. Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. 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