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White House threatens veto on stem cell research bill
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666 - 20 May 2005 17:20 GMT {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, George W. Bush, declares:}
(CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that could make it to his desk by early next week.
"I made [it] very clear to the Congress that the use of federal money, taxpayers' money, to promote science which destroys life in order to save life, I'm against that," Bush told reporters. "Therefore if the bill does that, I will veto it." ....
{more white house bush sh.t}
Bert Hyman - 20 May 2005 17:32 GMT > (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill > expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that > could make it to his desk by early next week. Well, that's what happens when you start to depend on politicians to fund your science research: you end up depending on politicians to fund your science research.
That's a ->really bad idea.
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Bradley K. Sherman - 20 May 2005 17:39 GMT >> (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill >> expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >That's a ->really bad idea. However it has been the model for Western Civilization from Archimedes to Kepler to Euler to Babbage to Rutherford to von Braun to Watson and Crick. However I'm sure you have some utopian concept involving an invocation of a supernatural "invisible hand" that you want to tell us about.
--bks
Bert Hyman - 20 May 2005 18:02 GMT >>> (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill >>> expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > supernatural "invisible hand" that you want to tell us > about. Well, you just witnessed the action of another "supernatural invisible hand" at work.
Your choice.
Good luck.
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Bradley K. Sherman - 20 May 2005 18:09 GMT >>>> (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill >>>> expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Good luck. Not my choice. Both of us will need luck to stamp out religious fundamentalism.
--bks
Bert Hyman - 20 May 2005 18:33 GMT >>>>> (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill >>>>> expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Not my choice. Both of us will need luck to stamp out > religious fundamentalism. Sure it's your choice.
You can either spend eternity trying to "stamp out" every group that wants to use the police power of the state to further its ends or stymie yours, or you can remove the opportunity for their meddling once and for all by taking away the powers of the state.
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Bradley K. Sherman - 20 May 2005 18:43 GMT >You can either spend eternity trying to "stamp out" every group that >wants to use the police power of the state to further its ends or >stymie yours, or you can remove the opportunity for their meddling >once and for all by taking away the powers of the state. Before you could say "Thomas Hobbes" you'd be knee deep in tribes and warlords and the cooperation and contention would just result in a new set of 'states'. You can see the effect at any poker table in town where the regulars band together to fleece the newcomer --without so much as a wink or a nod.
--bks
Bert Hyman - 20 May 2005 18:50 GMT >>You can either spend eternity trying to "stamp out" every group >>that wants to use the police power of the state to further its ends [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > at any poker table in town where the regulars band together > to fleece the newcomer --without so much as a wink or a nod. Well, good luck in stamping out religious fundamentalism.
Let us know how it works out.
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Bradley K. Sherman - 20 May 2005 18:56 GMT >>>You can either spend eternity trying to "stamp out" every group >>>that wants to use the police power of the state to further its ends [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Well, good luck in stamping out religious fundamentalism. Thanks. It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
--bks
GlennGlenn - 21 May 2005 00:47 GMT If not stamp it out, work to weaken its influence on public policy. Fundies can be fundies all they want... just keep their fear of thinking, sex, beer, porn, science, and women out of government decision-making.
GlennGlenn
Bryan - 21 May 2005 03:40 GMT > If not stamp it out, work to weaken its influence on public policy. > Fundies can be fundies all they want... just keep their fear of > thinking, sex, beer, porn, science, and women out of government > decision-making. > > GlennGlenn I agree with all the above, except porn.....porn serves no purpose other than degradation, but the rest are all essential to life!!!! ;-)
655321 - 21 May 2005 08:21 GMT >> If not stamp it out, work to weaken its influence on public policy. >> Fundies can be fundies all they want... just keep their fear of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > I agree with all the above, except porn..... You are afraid of porn?
> porn serves no purpose other than degradation, Not the porn *I* like.
> but the rest are all essential to life!!!! > ;-) Fundies are anti-life, pro-fear, and seem to have you deluded about porn.
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Paul E. Lehmann - 21 May 2005 13:16 GMT >> If not stamp it out, work to weaken its influence on public policy. >> Fundies can be fundies all they want... just keep their fear of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than degradation, but the rest are all essential to life!!!! > ;-) Porn leads to masturbation which decreases the risk of Prostate cancer in Men. Porn DOES serve a function.
user@domain.invalid - 21 May 2005 14:00 GMT >> If not stamp it out, work to weaken its influence on public policy. >> Fundies can be fundies all they want... just keep their fear of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than degradation, but the rest are all essential to life!!!! > ;-) Porn is an art.
Lucile Wilson - 20 May 2005 17:39 GMT It doesn't matter what Bush wants. Other countries are moving ahead. Bush doesn't seem to realize that maybe God wants this to happen. Stem cell research would not work...in my opinion...if God didn't want it to.
Paul E. Lehmann - 20 May 2005 18:10 GMT > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} Of course Bush does not mind spending taxpayer money to destroy American lives in Iraq in order to SUPPOSEDLY "save" a few Iraqis who seem unwilling or unable to care for themselves.
Woden - 20 May 2005 23:47 GMT "666" <son0fam@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116606004.374097.54080 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} But then again, he isn't against legislation giving him the opportunity to go kill Afgahis or Iraqis.
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Sadburger - 21 May 2005 00:11 GMT > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} Maaan, you called it bullshit, maaan! That was so awesome! Like, ge was so totally OWNED, maaan!
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GlennGlenn - 21 May 2005 00:46 GMT Of course, if he still wishes to argue that his little federally-funded adventure in Iraq was meant ultimately to save lives (among other stated and unstated goals), then he is lying rather flagrantly here... and with his own mouth this time, rather than through his usual proxies.
...or this is yet another example of his bringing Xian fundy "ethics" into policymaking.
GlennGlenn
Sadburger - 21 May 2005 02:54 GMT > Of course, if he still wishes to argue that his little federally-funded > adventure in Iraq was meant ultimately to save lives (among other [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > GlennGlenn Reproducible results: If you post the same article twice to alt.atheism, the same exact thread- with people expressing the same exact thoughts- will result both times. f.cking incredible.
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dipthot@my-deja.com - 21 May 2005 07:20 GMT > > Of course, if he still wishes to argue that his little federally-funded > > adventure in Iraq was meant ultimately to save lives (among other [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the same exact thread- with people expressing the same exact thoughts- > will result both times. f.cking incredible. Not so incredible. Alt.atheism (among other newsgroups) cycles quickly. People drop in from time to time and don't see the same posts both times.
And if the reactions make sense....
GlennGlenn
Sadburger - 21 May 2005 02:49 GMT > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} Duuude... you called it "bullshit" again, maaan! That's so fuckin' awesome! And your handle is '666'... that's totally like the devil or some sh.t like that, right man? ROCKS a.s!
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655321 - 21 May 2005 08:22 GMT >> {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, >> George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > awesome! And your handle is '666'... that's totally like the devil or some > sh.t like that, right man? ROCKS a.s! This from someone who snidely commented on repetition? In the same fuckin' thread?
Tch.
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Shawn Hearn - 21 May 2005 12:04 GMT > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} Yeh! The White House toilets must be overflowing with sh.t!
This is quintessential Bush, allowing his fantasy to color his scientific research. The stupidity of Bush is only eclipsed by those who fail to recognize it.
Matthew Greffin - 21 May 2005 21:32 GMT > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > George W. Bush, declares:} No one who believes in the Lord and His Son has ever called George W. Bush His Son. This is because nobody believes this to be true. Thus, your sarcasm/blasphemy's only effect is to offend - which is to be expected from a liberal.
> (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill expanding > public funding for embryonic stem cell research that could make it to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > {more white house bush sh.t} How is the refusal to supply funding stopping the research from taking place? If all of you who care *so* deeply about Stem Cell Research contributed, oh say ten bucks a month, this would probably offset, or at least aid in making up for, the loss of federal funding.
So please, instead of crying over the fact that MY tax dollars are not paying for something which I am opposed to, put up your OWN funds to pay for it, if it means so much to you.
maff - 21 May 2005 22:03 GMT > > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > paying for something which I am opposed to, put up your OWN funds to pay for > it, if it means so much to you. So why you take that advice and use your OWN funds for your death squads and torture camps?
maff - 22 May 2005 09:44 GMT > > {The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > > George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > paying for something which I am opposed to, put up your OWN funds to pay for > it, if it means so much to you. So why don't you take that advice and use your OWN funds for your death squads and torture camps?
bor - 22 May 2005 00:31 GMT >{The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, >George W. Bush, declares:} > >(CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill expanding >public funding for embryonic stem cell research that could make it to >his desk by early next week. god blessed america with Bush :-) He is elected so you will have to endure him again for a few years...
in the mean while south korea scientists have anounced yesterday that they have clooned stam cells for the first time.
Lucile Wilson - 26 May 2005 14:01 GMT > >{The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > >George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in the mean while south korea scientists have anounced yesterday that > they have clooned stam cells for the first time. What makes you so sure that GOD blessed America with Bush...it could have been Satan. God stays out of politics...read your bible.
Lucile Wilson - 26 May 2005 14:01 GMT > >{The Son of God Himself, our Lord and Savior, Defender of the Faith, > >George W. Bush, declares:} [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in the mean while south korea scientists have anounced yesterday that > they have clooned stam cells for the first time. What makes you so sure that GOD blessed America with Bush...it could have been Satan. God stays out of politics...read your bible.
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