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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / March 2006Coffee and Heart Problems
Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine consumption? Thanks in Advance > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What > are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine > consumption? > > Thanks in Advance You'd rather take the advice of unqualified, anonymous internet posters than your cardiologist? BTW, were you aware that the word "gullible" is actually not in the dictionary? GG > > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > GG Gullible \Gul"li*ble\, a. Easily gulled; that may be duped. -- {Gul"li*bii`i*ty}, n. --Burke. [1913 Webster] Bill  SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade "oeuf t?t pique " Lover "Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it." -- Richard P. Feynman (Nobel Prize, Physics) > > > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > > > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > --Burke. > [1913 Webster] Hook, line and sinker. > Bill > > > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > > > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > --Burke. > [1913 Webster] O-M-G...... :: Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee :: is TOO much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a :: year ago. What are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with :: regards to cafine consumption? Anything over two cups a day is too much. High coffee consumption raises the risk of acute cardiac events and it also increases harmful homocysteine concentration. But this is just my personal opinion. Check with your doctor. SignatureJuhana > Anything over two cups a day is too much. High coffee consumption raises > the risk of acute cardiac events and it also increases harmful > homocysteine concentration. Also keep in mind that the 2 cup recommendation is for 8 oz cups - not whatever fits in your mug, travel cup, grande, venti or whatever container you most often use. Signature"Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long Owen Lowe <please_no_emails@myaddy.com> wrote in part: >> Anything over two cups a day is too much. High coffee consumption raises >> the risk of acute cardiac events and it also increases harmful [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >whatever fits in your mug, travel cup, grande, venti or whatever >container you most often use. I don't believe anyone has ever shown that reducing coffee consumption reduces heart disease. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Owen Lowe <please_no_emails@myaddy.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Oh gawd I love logic! <slurp> Zee :: Owen Lowe <please_no_emails@myaddy.com> wrote in part: :: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: I don't believe anyone has ever shown that reducing coffee :: consumption reduces heart disease. Perhaps not, but coffee consumption is one of those things which give a J-shape of curve. The risk is lowest around one cup a day. SignatureJuhana "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: >:: Owen Lowe <please_no_emails@myaddy.com> wrote in part: >:: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Perhaps not, but coffee consumption is one of those things which give a >J-shape of curve. The risk is lowest around one cup a day. Juhana, do you have a citation? I'm asking because I may have missed something. The studies I'm familiar with have not even shown an *association* between coffee consumption and heart disease, much less demonstration of causality. But I'm too lazy to dig in PubMed right now... -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA :: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: :: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] :: disease, much less demonstration of causality. But I'm too lazy to :: dig in PubMed right now... I am not sure if it is possible to show clear causality but there is at least clear association. Coffee raises cholesterol, homocysteine and inflammatory markers and increases the risk of acute coronary events.These might not be the best studies about the subject but I think that you get a good over all picture from them. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/72/5/1107 http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/9/2381 http://www.healthandage.com/PHome/gid2=1168 http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/4/862 Green tea would be a healthier alternative to coffee consumption. SignatureJuhana "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: >:: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: >:: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/72/5/1107 "Conclusion: Drinking large quantities of paper-filtered coffee raises fasting plasma concentrations of total homocysteine in healthy individuals." No link to heart disease. And the data re changing homocystein levels to reduce heart disease events are unclear. >http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/9/2381 "Heavy coffee consumption has been associated with increased coronary heart disease (CHD) risk although many studies have not observed any relation." They do conclude that they find a relationship, though its after a lot of adjustments and its of course not at all clear if the effect is from coffee consumption or from related activities. Maybe people who drink lots of coffee work in offices and are more sedentary or stressed? Who knows? >http://www.healthandage.com/PHome/gid2=1168 This is a report of "Coffee consumption and serum lipids: meta-analysis of randomized controlled clinical trials." It shows that boiled coffee appears to affect lipids, including increasing LDL. That's of interest, but it looks like a very weal effect on variables which themselves have a complex linkage to mortality and morbidity. >http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/4/862 "Compared with coffee nondrinkers, men who consumed >200 mL coffee/d had 50% higher interleukin 6 (IL-6), 30% higher C-reactive protein (CRP), 12% higher serum amyloid-A (SAA), and 28% higher tumor necrosis factor (TNF-) concentrations and 3% higher white blood cell (WBC) counts (all: P < 0.05). Women who consumed >200 mL coffee/d had 54% higher IL-6, 38% higher CRP, 28% higher SAA, and 28% higher TNF- concentrations and 4% higher WBC counts (all: P < 0.05) than did coffee nondrinkers." That's certainly a more sizable effect. Again, it's a cross-sectional survey design, with no changes being looked at. But with that large an effect on inflammatory components, I'm surprised the attempts to link coffee consumption with cardiovascular disease hasn't been more successful. >Green tea would be a healthier alternative to coffee consumption. Maybe. I don't think the data exist to make that claim, though. One worry is that green tea contain a compound similar to methotrexate: http://tinyurl.com/6emuj It appears to interfere with folate activity. Folate helps in the repair of DNA which is constantly being damaged by environmental agents (radiation, chemical oxidants, etc.). Coffee has been studied a lot more than green tea, and the evidence is pretty inconclusive re its overall harm. (I drink both, BTW: espresso, green tea, black tea.) -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA A more recent editorial (May, 2004) titled "A healthy lifestyle lowers homocysteine, but should we care?" http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/5/713 GG :: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: ::: Green tea would be a healthier alternative to coffee consumption. :: :: Maybe. I don't think the data exist to make that claim, though. :: One worry is that green tea contain a compound similar to :: methotrexate: http://tinyurl.com/6emuj There are also beneficial phenolic flavonoids in tea that are probably more important. Actually there is some evidence but I don't have the time and energy to search them at the moment. I have been reading one brilliant new book about nutrition and heart disease where I saw references about tea reducing heart disease risk. :: It appears to interfere with folate activity. Folate helps in the :: repair of DNA which is constantly being damaged by environmental :: agents (radiation, chemical oxidants, etc.). :: :: Coffee has been studied a lot more than green tea, and the :: evidence is pretty inconclusive re its overall harm. Well, the evidence is perhaps not watertight but I think that it is reasonable to make a conclusion that high consumption of coffee is likely to increase heart disease risk. However, the situation with green tea is different. In a Norwegian study tea consumption was associated with a 40 % reduction in heart disease risk (at the moment I don't remember whether it was overall tea comsumption or green tea only). In other studies the reductions has not been as great but the trend is clear: high coffee consumption is likely to increase risks where as tea consumption is likely to reduce risks. SignatureJuhana "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part: >Well, the evidence is perhaps not watertight It's inconsistent. >but I think that it is >reasonable to make a conclusion that high consumption of coffee is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >clear: high coffee consumption is likely to increase risks where as tea >consumption is likely to reduce risks. Coffee, black tea and green tea all contain beneficial phenolic flavonoids. So do cocoa and red wine. I drink 'em all. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What > are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine > consumption? > > Thanks in Advance Never hurts to ask questions. Sometime we all learn a bit. This medium does not afford communication on a personal level. Hence it is REAL easy to be misunderstood. My answer if you feel that coffee is questionable go with out. Otherwise buy and espresso machine and be in good contact with your doctors. I lean towards the latter but I?m a tantric sort of guy. Bill SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade "oeuf t?t pique " Lover "Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it." -- Richard P. Feynman (Nobel Prize, Physics) >>Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO >>much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bill Recently I have had some irregular heartbeats and my cardiologist told me that the caffeine content in tea and coffee is not good for any heart condition and can be a cause of arrythmia. Why don't you go to decaffinated coffee??? When you have heart problems, you have to compromise!! > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What > are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine > consumption? There has been some concern that unfiltered coffee might raise cholesterol. > Thanks in Advance You are welcome :-) At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 I have Atrial Fibrillation and I can't have any caffeine. Coffee, tea, colas and chocolate, all decaffeinated, but I cheat alittle with the chocolate...:-) Nel > There has been some concern that unfiltered coffee might raise > cholesterol. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > I have Atrial Fibrillation and I can't have any caffeine. Coffee, tea, > colas and chocolate, all decaffeinated, but I cheat alittle with the > chocolate...:-) > Nel I love espresso Nel. And I love dark chocolate too. They don't make my palpitations worse even though I enjoy them both frequently. Of course palpitations are not as serious as AFIB so you must take more care. But why not enjoy your little cheat unless your doctor is adamant? Having to live with AFIB seems reason enough for a reward now and again. Enjoy your contraband! Zee > > There has been some concern that unfiltered coffee might raise > > cholesterol. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What > are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine > consumption? IMO it depends on whether you eat some food along with your coffee. It can't be good to stimulate your heart and body without giving them plenty of fuel. > > Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > > much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What > > are the possible effects on a cardiac patient with regards to cafine > > consumption? > > IMO it depends on whether you eat some food along with your coffee. That typically won't have a significant effect on the pharmacology of caffeine. > It > can't be good to stimulate your heart and body without giving them > plenty of fuel. The plenty of fuel (food) can be detrimental over the time if someone is heavier than "ideal." At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO >>>much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The plenty of fuel (food) can be detrimental over the time if someone is > heavier than "ideal." How about putting the OP on a diet of five 6 oz. cups of coffee and 2 oz. of cooked rice daily? > >>>Could anyone be so kind as to give me an idea as to how much coffee is TOO > >>>much coffee for a 45 year old male who had a heart attack a year ago. What [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > How about putting the OP on a diet of five 6 oz. cups of coffee and 2 > oz. of cooked rice daily? I don't advocate dieting but the following lifestyle change: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 December 8, 2005 Thanks, Andrew. 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If 30% of the methanol is turne into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water, 185 times the New Jersey limit, 615 times the California and Maine limits. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1264 fructose in rats increases uric acid, obesity, insulin resistance, endothelial damage -- RJ Johnson et al, U. Florida: Murray 2005.12.07 ******************************************************* "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:439833B7.E126BC97@heartmdphd.com... > Rich Murray wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things > like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following > this thread here during the next on-line chat today (12/08/05) from 6 to > 7 pm EST: > > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh > > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how > the LORD has reshaped me: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Andrew > http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk Andrew B. Chung, the wild man wrote > Pramesh Rutajit wrote > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Actually, Mercury is a mythical god but less mythical than th generi > "Lord". On the other hand, "fish" is a symbol for the mythica "Lord > and it is contaminated by the literalist > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This is not a game for me. Sorry Then you lose -- Pramesh Rutajit - p2976221tongue@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:35:01 +0000, Les Hellawel <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote - Refer: <q8hv125b935n6ugjsqqog6s4rmgln57r3e@4ax.com > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:51:40 +1030, Michael Gra > fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote i messag > news:441E3FDB.B6D91EE9@heartmdphd.com.. > John wrote [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Maybe you ought to consider that Dr. Chung's hecklers, you bein one > are responsible for FAR more abuse, including crossposting, of thes > groups than is Dr. Chung. Maybe you ought to just shut up an lear > how to use your kill files if it bothers you so much > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a malevolent purpose for him to do this? Of course ther > is. He wants to anger a group of people who he knows darn well hav > bad reaction to his obvious "holier-than-thou" snobbery > Is that another example of christian thinking? Call it "Teaching o > the Lord." instead of what it really is? If you called it for wha i > is, you would have to qualify it as a sin IAW your bible > The more you think about it, the more you should appreciate thi [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > only lead to self-doubt and imagined sin ridden despair can onl > result in madness if taken to extreme Good advice, but I am under the impression that the poor doctor wa drawn to the irrational fantasies of Christianity because of hi mental illness, and not that Christianity was the proximate cause o his precipitous drop in rationality (Although I know of too many cases where the mind-virus o Christianity has been the major contributor to mental collapse. > If only Chung could be persuaded that all this is just a fantasy an > that in the real world he can achieve happiness and contentmen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > once it reaches the depths poor Chung has sunk into. I fea > he may eventually have to be locked up I hope, for his sake, and for the sake of any of his potential futur "patients" upon whom he may wield a scalpel, that he IS locked up, an given appropriate treatment > I do hope the authoritie > that license him to practise medicine are aware of his illness I believe that they are aware It seems that this is the real reason that he was dismissed from hi former employment as a medical professional > Christ insanity is only to be pitied not hated or feared Quite It is the concomittant behaviour that is to be feared and hated Ask any Iraqi mother, who has managed to survive the current Christia Crusade You may not be availed the opportunity of consulting her offspring.. Previously, on alt.atheism, bob young in episod <44261F6A.25D04885@netvigator.com>.. > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > My Great great grandpappy said god was....... "Just up thar abov the > thar clouds > > Since that is where we now fly commercial jets, where is He now > > And why do we need to keep modifying the religious stories and dogm i > step with the steady march of scientific progress I've been amused for some time at the idea of being "drawn closer" t a allegedly *omnipresent being.. -- Mark K. Bilb ------------------------------------------------- "As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans for everything bad that happened during and after Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people who lived here were much more prepared for a big storm than the federal government that promised us flood protection. http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525D I just love this one.. "For those of us who grew up in Louisiana, 'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary. Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras. http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439B "Everything New Orleans http://www.nola.co On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:49:42 -0500, "Khubla <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote : That nut case Andrew Chung, whom we all know, predicted the end o the earth : or some such nonsense regarding the sixth rubber seal rubbish tha will : happen on the 29th. Now I know all of you are quacking in you shoes, : right? OK, so you're not a brain-dead fundamentalist, good. Now want to : be the first to tell that cross posting Chung, the poster boy fo mental : illness, the narcissist suffering fool who hears his LARD egging hi on, to : give him this simple message, WE TOLD YOU SO! Nature knows nothin of your : LARD, or cares about rubber seals or ancient superstitions. You belief is : just as false as your predictions and the source it came from : : Khubla The prevailing opinion in the newsgroup seems to be that Andrew ha lost hi mind. If it's true, I doubt that baiting him is going to help matter much. I he responds to every statement with gibberish, won't he just answe eac rejoinder with more gibberish -- ___ _ - Bo /__) _ / / ) _ (_/__) (_)_(_) (___(_)_(/____________________________________ bob@1776.CO Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, MA 01776-2120 USA * 978-443-326 That's your answer? God changed His mind? The correct answer is yo were WRONG, and God did NOT guide you to predict or warn people abou that earthquake. You are whispering in your own ear, and claimin it' God GaryG wrote > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote i messag > news:1143702301.051301.43460@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com.. > GaryG wrote > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote i messag .. > Your reading them all suggests psychopathology > > Your posting them all is clear evidence of same > > If that were true, newspaper publishers would be afflicted wit menta > illness > > Newspaper publishers are professionals who report things tha actuall > happen, while you are a deluded failure whose warnings of globa > catastrophe and death have been shown to be false > > Any newspaper publisher who filled his paper with bizarr "advisories" o > global destruction would be taken for a madman...especially if th > predicted date came and went without incident > > G What more can be said it's always the same old arguments with these religious types. Nothin ha changed since I was a kid. I don't even bother with them anymore Unless have a perverse desire to watch bugs explode all over the pavement -- -- Edmond Dante Shameless plugs http://www.searchborg.co http://www.ideas4yourhome.co http://www.HighbrowFoods.co http://www.MyInfiniteSuccess.co http://www.PetzFriendz.co > GaryG wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > What more can be said? "Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3) "Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4) Dear Friend, Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding the catastrophic event (Revelation 6:14) that may possibly happen sometime between now and the end of the year, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT came to mind. This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5) Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation" referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of this message. At 10:33 PM (Tokyo time) on 03/28/06, there was a strong earthquake that impacted Tokyo: http://tinyurl.com/oqrlz Then on 03/29/06, an unusual total solar eclipse happened in Turkey at 2:00 PM (LT) that darkened the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that Jerusalem was destroyed. This total solar eclipse could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" did precede the solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12. And now we face a possible nuclear showdown with Iran that may result in the fulfillment of the rest of the elements seen by John for the opening of the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-17): http://tinyurl.com/eb6xl For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation 6 that precede the catastrophic event heralded by the 14th verse, please visit the following online article: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of this message and its author: http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ, cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/ "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote i messag news:1143719624.838843.23560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com.. > Masked Avenger wrote > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > It's well and truly past the 29th Chung ..... no disaster of AN kin > has happened ....... looks like your God f.cked up big time...... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ... may still be in the world's near future Or, as is much more likely, the global destruction and death you're s fascinated with may have nothing to do with reality or Biblica prophecies and everything to do with your mental condition You wouldn't be the first lunatic to warn about the impending "end o th world"...over the last 2000 years, there have been many such warnings Like yours, all turned out to be false. GG Kumar wrote > Pulpitfire wrote > That's your answer? God changed His mind? The correct answer i yo > were WRONG, and God did NOT guide you to predict or warn peopl abou > that earthquake. You are whispering in your own ear, and claimin it' > God > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "LORD care the words of those who worship him and pray, still ma no > commonly make their words as GOD's words. HE is not so cruel to mak > common people aware and tensed about tomorrow's destructiv happenings > today. HE may just indicates previously and give max. chances t repen > o > correct. When God changed His mind about Nineveh, it was because the entir cit repented in sackloth and ashes. Are you telling me the entire worl repented in sackloth and ashes, and that is why God changed His min about sending this global earthquake? GET OUT OF HERE Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this > "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting a.s" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes) Yours is meaningless regardless -- Uncle Vi aa Atheist #201 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish departmen It is fair to say the bible has equal amounts of fact, history, an pizza. -Penn Jillett |
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