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Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? > Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? "Dr." Chung is a very sick person who continues to pollute this newsgroup. It's a shame others respond to his posts (although ignoring him won't get him to stop either...). I killfiled him a long time ago. Between him and the anti-statin folks, this newsgroup has become something of a joke. Every now and then some real information is exchanged but those moments are far and few between. L. Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you, neighbor. You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Christ's name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew  SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > L. Oh, dear and I just posted about my reluctance on statins. I hope you don't take that the wrong way. My stance is that statins be used sparingly when lifestyle modification doesn't work. I happen to think that lifestyle can always work, just that not everyone is able. > Oh, dear and I just posted about my reluctance on statins. I hope you > don't take that the wrong way. My stance is that statins be used > sparingly when lifestyle modification doesn't work. I happen to think > that lifestyle can always work, just that not everyone is able. For people in generally good health that makes a lot of sense. L. listener <listener@nospam.net> wrote in part: >> Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >of a joke. Every now and then some real information is exchanged but those >moments are far and few between. I can tell when things get crazy here because my newsreader shows that there are say, 73 new posts, but only 5 show up after my filters go to work. When the craziness tapers off, comparable numbers might be 21 new posts with 14 getting through. When things get crazy, mostly I just see a drop-off in posts. That's evidence that the repetitive posting campaigns that fire up really do drive away real contributors and participants. If more people used filters, the group that really wants to discuss science-medicine-cardiology could do so pretty well despite the chaos that a newbie sees. (PS: I don't put the anti-statin folks in the same category as the religious fruitcakes and their persistent detractors. The former group has a perfectly legitimate reason to be here.) -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA It wouldn't be fruitcake without the nuts. I apologize for having introduced myself here by taking a poke at the troll that lives under your ng. I will leave the troll alone. At least, I have found the sane persons. Ouch. You may have at the other cheek You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Christ's name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > It wouldn't be fruitcake without the nuts. > > I apologize for having introduced myself here by taking a poke at the > troll that lives under your ng. I will leave the troll alone. > > At least, I have found the sane persons. > listener <listener@nospam.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA I thought the "med" in sci.med.cardiology meant "medical", not medicine. Wouldn't sci.medicine and talk.politics.medicine be a more appropriate forum for those who clearly have an agenda for or against the use of certain medications? L. L. listener <listener@nospam.net> wrote in part: >Wouldn't sci.medicine and talk.politics.medicine be a more appropriate >forum for those who clearly have an agenda for or against the use of >certain medications? I don't think "having an agenda" should disqualify anyone from posting here, so long as the post is on topic. Some of the anti- (and pro-) statin posts contain nothing but political or social views, but many are well-articulated and based in science and the data. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA >> Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >L. Name me 1 single doctor who actually has a practice and patients and hospital privileges and university positions who spends all day every day posting on usenet. Now what does that tell you about our resident wacko? In truth, I have not been posting every day. Sorry my being openly Christian makes it feel like I have been posting every day. You really don't have to read my posts, neighbor. You will remain in my prayers, dear George, whom I love, in Christ's name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >> Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > day posting on usenet. Now what does that tell you about our resident > wacko? In truth, our heavenly Father, who is the Creator of the universe, is the source of all the knowledge that is sought after by all scientists: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Christ's name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? It's not your faith that is annoying. It is your form letter type of response. Your approach to spreading your faith, besides being off topic in this news group, is very impersonal - It is offensive when you reply to everyone with the same terse comments. I would suggest you try using your knowledge of science to guide, befriend and help people. It would be better than using your blinding sword of faith to chase people away. Don't you think? It remains my choice to obey Him in all that I do. Sorry if that bothers you. If your question was not rhetorical, my answer can be found here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Christ's name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > It's not your faith that is annoying. It is your form letter type of > response. Your approach to spreading your faith, besides being off [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > befriend and help people. It would be better than using your blinding > sword of faith to chase people away. Don't you think? The sad thing is that a coule of years ago this was a great group - Dr Chung was a very helpful guy then, answering q about heart problems and not pushing religion. I was a great admirer of him then, and feel sad that he seems to be drifting into a state where his beliefs take precedence over cardiology, I see that he is still a nice guy, but maybe it is time he moved to a group where his main interest now lies. David > Why are all the posts here either about religion or about Dr. Chung? > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? My beliefs remain the same though the religious beliefs of participants here at SMC have changed over the years. Truth is absolute and invariant. You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > The sad thing is that a coule of years ago this was a great group - Dr > Chung was a very helpful guy then, answering q about heart problems and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. Sometime the answers are short and lacking information but it did answer the question at hand without going into detail about other topics. My best guess is that about 18 months or so ago these other wackjobs started showing up on this group, posting repeated articles about statins or other topics and answering peoples question about heart related matters. Some may have some knowledge but noone else but Dr. Chung has provided any credentials. Anytime Dr. Chung would disagree with a wacko, they would attack with articles and spouting of crap. At first the response from Dr. Chung was to argue back but the world is full of wackos and the time consumed arguing was too much. Then the religion started popping into answers from Dr. Chung, first just little blurbs or a 'god bless' , the wackos were furious and Dr. Chung continued and expanded upon the religous comments as a self defense mechanism. There are even people here that have gone as far as to call his office and try and debate about his opinion causing Dr. Chung to protect himself more and to push his religous beliefs more and more as a response to the wackos instead of arguing constantly. I believe that this this new persona has evolved in response to repeated attacks. Like David said this group used to be a great source of information and it still is sometimes but there the people who post worthless crap and wothless opinions are the people who've ruined it with the repeated bullshit. Mark > The sad thing is that a coule of years ago this was a great group - Dr > Chung was a very helpful guy then, answering q about heart problems and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? In truth, if Bob Pastorio, GaryG, Stephen Nagler, Mozz, Hawki, Kate, Zee, Ranjit, Mack et al had started their questioning of my faith in Christ 7 years ago, what you are witnessing now would have happened then. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my opinion > Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. Sometime the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? Maybe it was back then but you did not appear to be so fanatical about it back then. Cardiology advice can be taken with or without the christian references. I have no preference either way. > In truth, if Bob Pastorio, GaryG, Stephen Nagler, Mozz, Hawki, Kate, > Zee, Ranjit, Mack et al had started their questioning of my faith in [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > > > > > > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? This has come up before. The *flames* have burned away all reservations. All that is left of my former self is completely dedicated to my Lord. The steel blade of a sword is stronger and sharper when it has been tempered. You will be in my prayers, dear Mark, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Maybe it was back then but you did not appear to be so fanatical about it > back then. Cardiology advice can be taken with or without the christian [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Isn't anyone interested in science, medicine, cardiology? > Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my > opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mark YOu speak of "Dr'" Chung as if he's a child. Poor "Dr." Chung...if it weren't for all those baaad people attacking him he wouldn't be the way he is. That is one of the most absurd defenses of this guy that I have ever read. (There haven't been many...) While I do find some of the anti-chungites posts unecessarily repetitive and silly, the truth of the matter is that Dr. Chung is a mentally unbalanced paranoid-schizophrenic with a severe inferiority complex. L. >> Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my >> opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >L. If what you say about Dr. Chung were really true, what would that make your (and the others') treatment of him? Is what we are seeing how you would really treat such an unfortunate person? Just askin' John John <john9212112@aol.com> wrote in part: >>While I do find some of the anti-chungites posts unecessarily repetitive >>and silly, the truth of the matter is that Dr. Chung is a mentally [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Just askin' >John I agree completely. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > John <john9212112@aol.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA It boggles the mind, doesn't it? Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Susan Thereby convicting all of the truth. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>John <john9212112@aol.com> wrote in part: >>>>Listener wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thereby convicting all of the truth. The truth? The truth is that no one contradicted the assessment of mental disturbance. The other truth is that it's perhaps unkind to keep prodding you because you're nuts and simply beyond controlling yourself. Note that no one has said your rants are reasonable, rational, useful, sane or otherwise constructive beyond shoring up your deepening dementia. I'm leaving off with you. You're so far beyond rational discourse as to make any posts merely typing exercises. Do get some help. And I mean that with some genuine concern for you and your family. Even a casual look at your actions recently must make an eyebrow raise in wonder. Bob Fyi, your pride makes you too wide for the narrow door, neighbor: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >>>John <john9212112@aol.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Bob > John <john9212112@aol.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA What Counselor Frank (Listener) intends for evil, God has turned for good :-) The readers of this thread really have only two options here. It remains my choice to inform folks about the truth which is Christ Jesus. Frank (listener) and his ilk have chosen to represent lies which are satan. His anonymity and his choice to libel/defame undermine his master's cause. If he does not fear God, I suspect satan and his minions will soon give him reasons to desperately seek God's blessing and salvation. You remain in my prayers, dear Jim, whom I love, in Christ's holy name. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>> Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my >>> opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Just askin' > John I don't treat Dr Chung one way or the other. I have had him killfiled for some time and avoid his posts. L. >>>> Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my >>>> opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > L. BTW, I've said this before...Dr. Chung needs professional help. None of us here are in a position to treat him. L. Ouch, you may have at the other cheek, counselor. Let's see if you will jeopardize your counseling license with another false on-line diagnosis with the intent to libel/defame. You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >>>> Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my > >>>> opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > L. While mixed in with his flame wars and religious zeal is some medical information to specific questions, I personally would not trust a single word he says or value his opinion about anything based on the way he conducts himself here in this NG. Why play Russian Roulette with your health? And his simplistic mission that most health problems can be improved or resolved with his dumb diet is pure baloney as far as I am concerned. Proper nutritition and ideal body weight are important factors to overall health, longevity and quality of life (I imagine you would agree). But, it is more than just body weight: diet, exercise, sleep. A proper diet has to include proper nutrition, good exercise and plenty of sleep. Live happy, enjoy life, take care of yourself. In truth, if the 2PD-OMER Approach seems to heal anyone, all praises should go to the divine Healer: http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp You will remain in my prayers, dear George, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > While mixed in with his flame wars and religious zeal is some medical > information to specific questions, I personally would not trust a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > or resolved with his dumb diet is pure baloney as far as I am > concerned. > If what you say about Dr. Chung were really true, what would that make > your (and the others') treatment of him? Is what we are seeing how > you would really treat such an unfortunate person? > > Just askin' > John People who live in glass houses should not throw stones comes to mind along with a Pee Wee Herman quote. Which sort of goes like this "I know what I am but what that does make you?" Child like eh? Turn the other cheek. Bill Cold and windy Furnace on toooo much Rumor has it spring in a month I say two weeks! SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade --> http://www.ocutech.com/ For vision problems http://www.truemajorityaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=jvLUJdP8H&b= 315914&msource=ustack > >> Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my > >> opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Just askin' > John And to think Bob Pastorio continues to doggedly assert that no one is able to discern the truth :-) At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>If what you say about Dr. Chung were really true, what would that make >>your (and the others') treatment of him? Is what we are seeing how >>you would really treat such an unfortunate person? > > And to think Bob Pastorio continues to doggedly assert that no one is > able to discern the truth :-) <LOL> John asks two questions and suddenly it is the "discernment of truth." I doggedly assert that there is no discernment of truth without information. The example of Solomon was about being able to choose between things known, not things outside his knowledge. Wisdom, not occult information-gathering. Chung guesses that Listener is named Frank and insists it's correct. Chung insists that Mt. Everest climbers eat 10 pounds of food a week and that makes his diet rational - except the climbers say otherwise and real scientists say otherwise. Chung asserts that potatoes and bread contain thousands more calories in two pound than they actually do. Chung insists that runners burn far fewer calories then they actually do. All of these testable and measurable conditions demonstrate that Chung's "gift of truth discernment" is merely his psychotic insistence of his infallibility. And that's the truth. Bob The <LOL> continues to betray your despair. The questions that "John" asks are rhetorical revealing that he has discerned the truth. Your equating God's gift of truth discernment with "His psychotic insistence of His infallibility" reveals that you are unable to discern the truth. Those who are able to discern the truth know that this ability does not make them infallible. Just as being able to see does not make one a being of light, being able to discern does not make one a being of truth. You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >>If what you say about Dr. Chung were really true, what would that make > >>your (and the others') treatment of him? Is what we are seeing how [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Bob All I know is that there are people looking for advice and once you wade through all the bullshit you can eventually find an answer. Look back a few years ago at this group and you can clearly see that it had a lot less crap in it. Listener, Google is your friend, you used to be a Chung advocate and stated many times in the past that this group has turned to sh.t with all the morons posting drivel, what happened? > > Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my > > opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > L. Listener's identity was revealed to me so that now Frank is no longer having fun. You will be in my prayers, dear Mark, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > All I know is that there are people looking for advice and once you wade > through all the bullshit you can eventually find an answer. Look back a few [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > L. > Listener's identity was revealed to me so that now Frank is no longer > having fun. A perfect example of Chung's insanity. Somehow, through some kind of extra-sensory channel, Chung received information. No intermediary faculties involved. It just appeared in his mind. And it's absolutely correct, feels like a real experience and deposits a solid memory even though there's nothing tangible or measurable about it. Sounds like the classic definition of a hallucination. Voices in the head. Imagination run amok. Particularly interesting since no reliable scientist would endorse its reality. Even the bible that Chung claims supports this "gift" in fact, says nothing to support it. Even the support that Chung thinks he's getting is merely more of the same imaginings. Invisible wisps in support of inaudible wisps supporting ghosts of other wisps. Bob >> Listener's identity was revealed to me so that now Frank is no longer >> having fun. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bob He's worse off than I thought. Delusional. Still thinks I'm "Frank"...! L. Frank is a fine name compared to a fake one like "Listener." Many are not ashamed of being named Frank. One has to wonder. You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >> Listener's identity was revealed to me so that now Frank is no longer > >> having fun. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > L. It seems you are avoiding the use of <LOL>s but your language still betrays your despair. Truly, the door guarded by Lord Christ Jesus is a very narrow one: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A The Messiah teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > Listener's identity was revealed to me so that now Frank is no longer > > having fun. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bob > All I know is that there are people looking for advice and once you > wade through all the bullshit you can eventually find an answer. Look [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stated many times in the past that this group has turned to sh.t with > all the morons posting drivel, what happened? Ahh...I was so young and innocent back then...(!) You are correct. Back then Dr. Chung was not obsessed with hitting everyone over the head with his religious notions and he frequently dispensed what I considered good medical advice (no substitute, mind you, to seeing a real live doctor). I cannot explain what happened to him but he apparently went off the deep end. Sad. (He did spawn a new disease: OCD, Obsessive Chung Disorder). And then there were others who are more interested in shoving their own agenda and theories down your throat rather than an open, frank, give and take discussion of the issues. But, look, welcome to the world of unmoderated newsgoups where anyone and everyone can have their say, over and over and over again. Thank goodness for killfiles. I guess it's the nature of the beast. The drivel you mention would not be tolerated for a minute in moderated sites (where I spend more time these days than here). As my own health issues have become more acute in the last few years I prefer to spend time in caring, supportive settings rather than trying to explain to Dr. Chung why his being a Christian *doesn't* bother me. (His psychosis does). I guess my expectations were never really that high to begin with. This group is what it is. C'est la vie. L. What moderated groups you hang in L > What moderated groups you hang in L I hate to sound paranoid, but I'd rather not say specifically (although I have previously mentioned the Yahoo health groups). I won't say more than that. It has to do with zee and her attempts to find out who I am. Sorry. L. >> What moderated groups you hang in L > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >L. We all you know your are. You are Frank. bwha ha ha thank you for that one George! poor poor pituful Andie macro to follow........ . > >> What moderated groups you hang in L > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > We all you know your are. You are Frank. > bwha ha ha > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> We all you know your are. You are Frank. Laughter *is* the best medicine. Thanks! L. > bwha ha ha ... and so you despair... ... such is life without Christ. You remain in my prayers, dear Kate, whom I love, in His holy name. May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior someday, so that you too will have eternal life without any fear. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >> What moderated groups you hang in L > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > We all you know your are. You are Frank. The Lord also know who you are, George. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > What moderated groups you hang in L > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > L. Without Christ, there is only fear. The Lord knows who you are, Frank. You can not hide from Him. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> What moderated groups you hang in L > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > L. Are you ashamed of who you are? > >> What moderated groups you hang in L > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Are you ashamed of who you are? I suspect Frank is fearful, just as "George" and Bob Pastorio are fearful. Such is life without Lord Christ Jesus. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>> What moderated groups you hang in L >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Are you ashamed of who you are? Of course not! What an absurd accusation. You don't read very well, do you? zee, who once (falsely) accused me of stalking *her* likes to play detective and I'm sure she wouldn't hesitate to slander me in other groups I go to. I'd rather not take that chance. L. > >>> What moderated groups you hang in L > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > L. In truth, Zee has not slandered you, Frank. No one has ever been slandered on Usenet, which is a written medium where no one speaks. Truth is simple. You would have know this had you been able to discern the truth. The way to God is straight and extremely narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 It seems that you believe that an openly Christian person is by definition (your own) "psychotic." Thankfully, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > All I know is that there are people looking for advice and once you > > wade through all the bullshit you can eventually find an answer. Look [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > L. Ouch. You may have at the other cheek, neighbor. Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you, Counselor Frank, so much that you would put your reputation as a clinical psychologist on the line with purposefully false Usenet diagnoses with the intent to libel/defame. It would not take much to have the APA contact the counseling licensure board of your state with a request for an investigation. Others have taken your path and now rue their choice (ie SMN). Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5: 11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. May God add His blessings to the writing of His Word here on Usenet, in Christ's holy name. Amen. Though you intended it for evil, God's plan is that your making false on-line diagnoses with the intent to libel/defame will result in good things. The readers of this thread really have only two options here. It remains my choice to inform folks about the truth which is Christ Jesus. You and your ilk have chosen to represent lies which are satan. Your anonymity and your choice to libel/defame undermine your master's cause. If you do not fear God, I suspect satan and his minions will soon give you reasons to pray for God's forgiveness and salvation. You will remain in my prayers, dear Frank, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, before it is too late, so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable peace of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > > Yes and No. I've been reading this group for a few years and in my > > opinion Dr. Chung has always provided honest answers to questions. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > L. |
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