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PaulP - 19 Jan 2005 15:21 GMT Greetings,
Dropped by because I am looking for advice due to the very odd situation I have found myself in the past few weeks.
To begin with, I am a 33 year old male, fairly good health, have had high cholesterol for some years now, and been on Lipitor which has knocked it down a bit, but not entirely. Also have a long history of GI problems, including IBS & a Hiatal Hernia.
Two weeks ago I started getting an odd pain in my upper chest, kept increasing in frequency and duration as time went by. Went into the ER a few days after it hit, and they did a chest X-ray, blood tests and EKG, all normal.
My doctor thought it was probably an esophageal spasm. Few days later the same pain comes back worse, and I end up going back to the ER.
This is where things got strange. Arrive, they do several EKG's (all normal), X-Ray (normal) and blood tests, including CKMB enzyme (normal), they then send me upstairs to run the treadmill, which I aced with no problems at all. Constant cardiac monitoring was also normal.
Now the strange part, after being in the ER for 12 hours, and everything looking great, so they are about to cut me loose. However at that time a test comes back that was taken when I arrived, but they had to send it to another lab as they had a problem with theirs, so it took 12 hours, it was the Traponin (sp?) enzyme test, and it came back at 2.1, all of a sudden I have people from Cardiology coming down telling me I had a heart attack and am being admitted.
They do another Traponin test and it is 13.6, so I am sent upstairs and am obsevered for two days, pumped full of blood thinners, etc. The third test was 13.6 as well, then it starts dropping back down after that.
Been home for a few days now, and am feeling fine, aside from all the meds they have me taking. Have a Cardiac Cath scheduled for Monday, but am a bit worried about having such a risky procedure when the only indication of a heart attack was the high traponin level.
Even the Cardiologists think it is a strange case, as I aced a treadmill while I was essentially having a heart attack and showed no ill symptoms.
Sorry for the rant, this has just been a strange few weeks, and I wanted to bounce this off people that have been down this road before, and maybe could give me a bit of insight.
Many thanks,
Paul
PaulP - 19 Jan 2005 15:24 GMT Just wanted to make an edit, wrongly referred to the Cardiac Cath as a "risky procedure", was going for "invasive procedure"
Thanks,
Paul
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Jan 2005 16:21 GMT > Just wanted to make an edit, wrongly referred to the Cardiac Cath as a > "risky procedure", was going for "invasive procedure" > > Thanks, > > Paul There is risk on the order of 0.5% for complications. At His service,
Andrew
-- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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George - 19 Jan 2005 15:42 GMT Paul keep us posted on your progress. It does indeed sound weird, but if you do have heart disease better to find out now than when it is too late. If you don't then you took some meds for nothing and got the scare of your life.
Best of luck.
William Wagner - 19 Jan 2005 16:22 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Paul How are your parents and extended family doing? No need to say here but it was important to me.
>Have a Cardiac Cath scheduled for Monday, but am a bit > worried about having such a risky procedure when the only indication of a > heart attack was the high traponin level. Get a second opinion and your PCP up to speed if so inclined this perhaps in reverse order.
Make sure Iodine is not something you are allergic to.
Strange few weeks are much better then terrifying few hours.
Hope all is WELL.
Bill
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Bill - 19 Jan 2005 20:34 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Paul Well they will first do an angiogram to really see what is going on. And then if they see blockages then then might adivse the use of ballon, stents, etc. or other procedures. The angiogram is very low risk.
Bill
Frankie - 20 Jan 2005 05:04 GMT Hi Paul,
Re: I am a 33 year old male, fairly good health, have had high cholesterol for some years now, and been on Lipitor which has knocked it down a bit, but not entirely.
A few questions... Has your Dr checked your homocysteine levels? Are you taking Folic acid, B6 & B12? What dosage of Lipitor are you taking? Are you taking CoQ10 with Lipitor. Statins deplete CoQ10. Your heart and brain need CoQ10. You mention Lipitor knocked your levels down, but not entirely..... Did your Dr increase the dosage around the time you had chest pains?
There are a couple of blood tests done when a heart attack is suspected: Troponin & CK [creatine kinase]
CK test is also one of the tests done when statin induced muscle damage is suspected.
Is it possible that statins could actually cause both CK & Troponin to elevate? When someone is taking statins and cholesterol levels are not lowered as expected, is the person taking said statins not able to metabolize the drug and the statins are reaching toxic levels? Just food for thought.....
Frankie
Halterb - 20 Jan 2005 18:02 GMT Hi Paul,
Some of my family members have had several cardiac caths with no problems whatever. This procedure is really the gold standard of heart diagnosis. Stress tests, lab tests, EKG's. etc., can miss things the cath finds. And while they're doing it, many doctors go ahead and repair the problem if they find one, saving the patient another procedure. It's done every day and, as far as I'm aware, with few difficulties. If nothing else, the results will relieve your mind.
FYI, here's a site on troponin: www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/troponin/glance.html
>Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >bounce this off people that have been down this road before, and maybe could >give me a bit of insight.< Zee - 20 Jan 2005 21:45 GMT > Hi Paul, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > FYI, here's a site on troponin: > www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/troponin/glance.html Possibly of interest to you:
Emerging, Noninvasive Surrogate Markers of Atherosclerosis Samir N. Patel, MD, Venkataraman Rajaram, MD, Sanjay Pandya, MD, Benjamin M. Fiedler, BA, Charlotte J. Bai, MD, Rachel Neems, Matt Feinstein, Marshall Goldin, MD, and Steven B. Feinstein, MD
Address Department of Medicine, Rush University Medical Center, 1653 West Congress Parkway, Jelke 1015, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.
Current Atherosclerosis Reports 2004, 6:60-68 Current Science Inc. ISSN 1523-3804
Noninvasive surrogate markers of atherosclerosis allow the physician to identify subclinical disease before the occurrence of adverse cardiovascular events, thereby limiting the need to perform invasive diagnostic procedures. Imaging modalities, such as carotid artery ultrasound, two-dimensional echocardiography, coronary artery calcium imaging, cardiac magnetic resonance imaging, ankle-brachial indices, brachial artery reactivity testing, and epicardial coronary flow reserve measurements, provide information that may improve the predictive value of a person's risk of developing clinically significant atherosclerotic disease. Newer imaging modalities have also emerged to bring insight into the pathophysiology and treatment of atherosclerosis.
Conclusions The use of c-IMT, EBCT, cMRI, ABI, brachial artery reactivity testing, and epicardial coronary flow reserve measurements has revolutionized the approach of identifying individuals at high risk for developing adverse cardiac events. The emergence of these noninvasive imaging modalities gives the physician an alternative to invasive procedures when assessing a patient's atherosclerotic burden, thereby eliminating unnecessary procedure-related complications.
These noninvasive surrogate markers of atherosclerosis are integral in revealing subclinical disease and providing a practical means of assessing its progression. In particular, c-IMT has been directly correlated with myocardial infarction, stroke, and death and has been extensively studied in various clinical trials. Lipid-lowering therapy, ß-blockers, and calcium antagonists have all shown beneficial effects on c-IMT, thereby improving a patient's cardiovascular risk profile. In addition, the use of computer-aided software and FDA-approved contrast agents improve measurement precision of c-IMT.
Newer, noninvasive modalities using radiolabeled monoclonal antibodies targeted at vulnerable plaques and 19F-fluorodeoxyglucose targeted at inflammation are currently under development. Most recently, contrast- enhanced ultrasound imaging permits direct visualization of plaque neovascularization, thereby bringing new insight into the pathophysiology and treatment of atherosclerotic disease.
> >Greetings, > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >bounce this off people that have been down this road before, and maybe could > >give me a bit of insight.< Zee - 20 Jan 2005 21:29 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Paul Salut Paul
Statins, including Lipitor, cause gastrointestinal problems. While on Lipitor I suffered helicobactor pylori ulcer, pancreatitis, gall bladder disease and severe acid reflux. All resolved within time after stopping Lipitor. I had not had any of these problems prior to taking statins.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/atorvastatin_ad.htm
"Digestive System: Nausea, gastroenteritis, liver function tests abnormal, colitis, vomiting, gastritis, dry mouth, rectal hemorrhage, esophagitis. eructation, glossitis, mouth ulceration, anorexia, increased appetite, stomatitis, biliary pain, cheilitis, duodenal ulcer, dysphagia, enteritis, melena, gum hemorrhage, stomach ulcer, tenesmus, ulcerative stomatitis, hepatitis, pancreatitis, cholestatic jaundice."
And this regarding Baycol, a statin withdrawn in 2001 for causing rhabdomyolysis deaths.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 737641&dopt=Abstract
Preclinical safety evaluation of cerivastatin A novel HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor. von Keutz E, Schluter G. Institute of Toxicology, PH-Product Development, Bayer AG, Wuppertal, Germany Am J Cardiol. 1998 Aug 27;82(4B):11J-17J. PMID: 9737641
"In dogs, the species most sensitive to statins, cerivastatin caused erosions and hemorrhages in the gastrointestinal tract, bleeding in the brain stem with fibroid degeneration of vessel walls in the choroid plexus, and lens opacity."
Zee
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Jan 2005 16:21 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Paul My guess is that you probably closed off a small "branch" of one of your coronary arteries. At His service,
Andrew
-- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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