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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / December 2004Merry Xmas Andrew
"So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer >From a heathen and a pagan On the side of the rebel Jesus." Thank you Andrew for all you do for us. Zee THE REBEL JESUS Original recording from the Chieftain's album "The Bells Of Dublin" The streets are filled with laughter and light And the music of the season And the merchants' windows are all bright With the faces of the children And the families hurrying to their homes As the sky darkens and freezes Will be gathering around the hearths and tales Giving thanks for all God's graces And the birth of the rebel Jesus They call him by the "Prince of Peace" And they call him by "The Saviour" And they pray to him upon the sea And in every bold endeavor As they fill his churches with their pride and gold And their faith in him increases But they've turned the nature that I worshipped in >From a temple to a robber's den In the words of the rebel Jesus We guard our world with locks and guns And we guard our fine possessions And once a year when Christmas comes We give to our relations And perhaps we give a little to the poor If the generosity should seize us But if any one of us should interfere In the business of why they are poor They get the same as the rebel Jesus But pardon me if I have seemed To take the tone of judgement For I've no wish to come between This day and your enjoyment In this life of hardship and of earthly toil We have need for anything that frees us So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer >From a heathen and a pagan On the side of the rebel Jesus. (c) 1991 BMG MUSIC > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > >From a heathen and a pagan ...who has been called by God to warn people about statin side effects :-) > On the side of the rebel Jesus." > > Thank you Andrew for all you do for us. Zee You are most welcome, dear Zee whom I love. > THE REBEL JESUS > Original recording from the Chieftain's album "The Bells Of Dublin" [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > (c) 1991 BMG MUSIC A most humble rebel, indeed. Thanks, Zee, for glorifying Him :-) May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Andrew: Please just accept this from *my* perspective; not a Christian, not a theist, and certainly not *called upon* to do anything. If you read the lyrics they will instruct you as to my viewpoint. As if you didn't already know.... Zee > > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > Is this spam? > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > Andrew: Please just accept this from *my* perspective; not a Christian, > not a theist, and certainly not *called upon* to do anything. However, you have clearly been given the necessary first-hand experience (some would say by chance others would say by God) to inform folks about the potential for side effects from statins. > If you > read the lyrics they will instruct you as to my viewpoint. As if you > didn't already know.... Zee Yes, I already knew and know, dear Zee, whom I love. May God bless you this Christmas and extend this blessing to all who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Thank you lovely boy. Zee > > Andrew: Please just accept this from *my* perspective; not a > Christian, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Is this spam? > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > Thank you lovely boy. Zee Snarf. > > Thank you lovely boy. Zee > > Snarf. Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug): http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And, may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > > > Thank you lovely boy. Zee > > > > Snarf. > > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug): Did you understand what he said? Do you even know what that means? > Thank you lovely boy. Zee Wow. That's nice. Merry Xmas, Hanukah, 7523-th New Year of the Slavic Calendar ! Thank you lovely woman. liaM > > Thank you lovely boy. Zee > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > liaM Yes, if I could save you, dear liaM, by giving up my life, I would as my Lord has already done: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And, may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > Yes, if I could save you, dear liaM, by giving up my life, I would as my > Lord has already done: Thanks, Doc ! Have a prosperous and healthy new year.. liaM > > Yes, if I could save you, dear liaM, by giving up my life, I would as my > > Lord has already done: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > liaM Thanks liaM. May God bless you in many ways. May God similarly bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And, may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Hello liam. How are you entering 2005? Last time you posted something was amiss. Zee > > Thank you lovely boy. Zee > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > liaM > Hello liam. How are you entering 2005? Last time you posted something > was amiss. > > Zee Hi Zee, I was measuring very high blood pressures daily (near 100/150-170) during the two weeks I waqs struggling with doing my back taxes ;)))) Since that's done, I'm happy and surprised to see my BP down to below 80/135 or so. That's amazing to me, how stress causes high BP ! Be Well.. liaM > > Hello liam. How are you entering 2005? Last time you posted something > > was amiss. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > liaM Stress can raise BP which is not the same thing as saying it causes high BP (ie hypertension). May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > Stress can raise BP which is not the same thing as saying it causes high > BP (ie hypertension). What had me worried was the fact that my tension stayed some 15 points average higher than my normal BP, *continually* for 2-3 weeks. Perhaps I was snacking a bit more than usual and exercising less, otherwise my daily habits went on unchanged. What else could have caused this upsurge plateau of high blood pressure, if not stress ? Be well, doc ' liaM > > Stress can raise BP which is not the same thing as saying it causes high > > BP (ie hypertension). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > liaM You may be predisposed to hypertension. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 >>>Stress can raise BP which is not the same thing as saying it causes high >>>BP (ie hypertension). [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You may be predisposed to hypertension. I guess I should do Chi Kung (which Rong Rong Zheng, heart and chi-kung specialist at Stanford asserted, lowers BP), keep on gobbling aspirin, take my 25 mg cozaar daily, avoid salt, keep exercising, and what else should I be doing in order to avoid my heart from exploding !? > > You may be predisposed to hypertension. > > I guess I should do Chi Kung (which Rong Rong Zheng, heart and chi-kung > specialist at Stanford asserted, lowers BP), keep on gobbling aspirin, > take my 25 mg cozaar daily, avoid salt, keep exercising, and what else > should I be doing in order to avoid my heart from exploding !? I am very similar to you Liam in BP numbers. VERY. What to do.....? Garden....Tai Chi...Classical Music..... Lopressor? Bill  SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade Serious Vision Problems like Starghart's ? --> http://www.ocutech.com/ >>>You may be predisposed to hypertension. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Garden....Tai Chi...Classical Music..... Lopressor? > Bill Black chocolate, a couple glasses of cabernet sauvignon, abdominal slow and deeep breathing exercises. what helps also, is quick crisis management. When I feel I'm going over the top, I switch myself "off" and enter samaddhi. Learning what meditation is, is the best preparation for any eventuality .. > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > >From a heathen and a pagan > On the side of the rebel Jesus." Real Christians don't celebrate Christmas...it's pagan. > > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > >From a heathen and a pagan > > On the side of the rebel Jesus." > > Real Christians don't celebrate Christmas...it's pagan. Such a declaration is analogous to the popular declaration from the 1970's "Real men don't eat quiche." Now for the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > > > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > > >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Such a declaration is analogous to the popular declaration from the > 1970's "Real men don't eat quiche." Sorry idiot. Try reading from actual history and not quoting *advertising*. If you *really* knew anything from the bible and actual history from biblical times, you wouldn't have made such an asinine statement. It's so refreshing to see such a naive person being so blatantly naive. Especially when it's a religious zealot who has no grasp on actual historical events. It really does nothing to ameliorate your beliefs. It just makes you look you don't know what you're talking about...yeah yeah yeah, turn the other cheek, my judgment, etc. Go hang out with real scientists Dr. Knowitnot. > > > > "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > > > >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sorry idiot. Try reading from actual history and not quoting *advertising*. Analogies can come from any source. > If you *really* knew anything from the bible and actual history from > biblical times, you wouldn't have made such an asinine statement. If you understood the meaning of being Christian, you would be more civil. > It's > so refreshing to see such a naive person being so blatantly naive. Especially > when it's a religious zealot who has no grasp on actual historical events. > It really does nothing to ameliorate your beliefs. It just makes you look > you don't know what you're talking about...yeah yeah yeah, turn the other > cheek, my judgment, etc. Go hang out with real scientists Dr. Knowitnot. Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug): http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And, may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > Sorry idiot. <plonk >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer >> >From a heathen and a pagan >> On the side of the rebel Jesus." > > Real Christians don't celebrate Christmas...it's pagan. Just as an historical curiosity - not taking sides - it was not really popular in the US until Dickens wrote (and heavily promoted through tours) "A Christmas Carol." Congress used to meet on Christmas. (Now taking sides) I don't think he envisioned what it would become however. I would like it to be a little bit more like Easter. Also I wish people would take a look at the in between parts of Jesus' life - not just the start and finish - i.e. what he really had to say. Take a look at Matthew 5 for example, (it's short) particularly the last parts. http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=MATT%205&version=31; If this were put into modern English I think it would be dismissed as Liberal babble today. So my point is whether you believe or don't, I think he had some interesting things to say and I wish more people would notice that rather than buying lots of stuff. Bill > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Bill Christians do the former: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > things to say and I wish more people would notice that rather than buying lots > of stuff. Most people, like Dr. Chung, have no idea of the reality of what you posted. Fact and truth are far from each other in their deluded world. > > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Most people, like Dr. Chung, have no idea of the reality of what you > posted. Fact and truth are far from each other in their deluded world. This must be a tough time of year for you: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > > > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > This must be a tough time of year for you: Did you even read what he said? > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > things to say and I wish more people would notice that rather than buying lots > of stuff. "Doctor" Chung makes up his opinions as he sees them. They have little to do with history or fact. It's pretty funny actually. He celebrates Christmas as if Christ was really born on December 25th (couldn't have happened on that date...even according to scripture) believes that Christ looked like all those paintings (which mostly depict him as very European looking...LMFAO!!!!!) Dr. Chung has made it painfully obvious that he has had no training or education in actual historical events. > > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > that date...even according to scripture) believes that Christ looked like all > those paintings (which mostly depict him as very European looking...LMFAO!!!!!) This time of year must be tough for you. > Dr. Chung has made it painfully obvious that he has had no training or > education in actual historical events. Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug): http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A And, may what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 > > > >> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer > > > >> >From a heathen and a pagan [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > This time of year must be tough for you. No. It makes me laugh actually. You really think Christ was born on December 25th? LMFAO!!! Show me where it says that in the Bible Dr. Genius. > > Dr. Chung has made it painfully obvious that he has had no training or > > education in actual historical events. > > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug): Um....when did I say that? Your blatant stupidity offends me. Your belief in an European version of God, Christ, the Lord whatever offends me. I wonder if your beliefs would be the same of you knew Christ was black.....guess what...he was. > http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A > > May God bless those who read the following: Stop lying. Satan has you completely fooled. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Bill wrote in article <gjJyd.5299$by5.1699@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>: >>> "So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer >>> >From a heathen and a pagan >>> On the side of the rebel Jesus." >> Real Christians don't celebrate Christmas...it's pagan. >Just as an historical curiosity - not taking sides - it was not really popular >in the US until Dickens wrote (and heavily promoted through tours) "A >Christmas Carol." Congress used to meet on Christmas. >(Now taking sides) I don't think he envisioned what it would become however. I >would like it to be a little bit more like Easter. Also I wish people would >take a look at the in between parts of Jesus' life - not just the start and >finish - i.e. what he really had to say. Take a look at Matthew 5 for example, >(it's short) particularly the last parts. >http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=MATT%205&version=31; >If this were put into modern English I think it would be dismissed as Liberal >babble today. >So my point is whether you believe or don't, I think he had some interesting >things to say and I wish more people would notice that rather than buying lots >of stuff. Well done, Bill. Thanks. Few Christians (and contemporary Jews and Muslims) realize how much ideas from the first several centuries as well as from medieval times have influenced their religions as they are practiced today, to say nothing of the "sweet nothing" pieties of contemporary culture. Jesus wouldn't recognize himself as he's portrayed in many churches. SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net I'm celebrating. It's night at 9 a.m. Brief intermission. Then, It's night again by 3:30 p.m. Everything to do with Chirstmas is pagan. The early Christians adopted all the pagan customs because the new religion was such a hard sell. They tried scaring us to death. No one cared. Then they thew a party. We came. Pass the dip. {Where's our resident historian. Don?} > I'm celebrating. > > It's night at 9 a.m. Brief intermission. Then, It's night again by > 3:30 p.m. > > Everything to do with Chirstmas is pagan. Not everything. > The early Christians adopted > all the pagan customs because the new religion was such a hard sell. Your belief. > They tried scaring us to death. The fear of death predated Christ. > No one cared. Then they thew a party. > We came. ... and witnessed a glimpse of what heaven will be like. > Pass the dip. > > {Where's our resident historian. Don?} (probably sulking after reading http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A) May God bless those who read the following: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A May what I have written enlighten you and others. Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A). Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1103860523.36ca6f8b315a622116b2697401c0bae1@teranews>: >> I'm celebrating. >> It's night at 9 a.m. Brief intermission. Then, It's night again by >> 3:30 p.m. >> Everything to do with Chirstmas is pagan. >Not everything. >> The early Christians adopted >> all the pagan customs because the new religion was such a hard sell. >Your belief. >> They tried scaring us to death. >The fear of death predated Christ. >> No one cared. Then they thew a party. >> We came. >... and witnessed a glimpse of what heaven will be like. >> Pass the dip. >> {Where's our resident historian. Don?} >(probably sulking after reading http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A) I rarely sulk, and a never just because I read an inane non-response to a question. :-) SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net It seems to me I heard somewhere that zwalanga wrote in article <1103849433.813915.182750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>: >I'm celebrating. >It's night at 9 a.m. Brief intermission. Then, It's night again by >3:30 p.m. >Everything to do with Chirstmas is pagan. The early Christians adopted >all the pagan customs because the new religion was such a hard sell. >They tried scaring us to death. No one cared. Then they thew a party. >We came. No, not everything. The date of observance, yes, apparently from the Roman Saturnalia (the sheep would only have been out in the fields at night in warm times, not mid-winter, if we accept the truth of that story). The virgin birth, paralleled in stories from other contemporary cultures to vouch for the significance of great men. The Magi (not given that name in the Bible), an allusion to the Persians/Medians who looked for signs of significant human events in the stars. The Roman census of the Jews, perhaps but it's been hard to put a date to such an event. The slaughter of the innocents (all the boy children in Bethlehem two years and under), apparently unproven and unprovable. The tree, the candles/lights, the jolly elf with so many names and faces, the multiplication of malls and the placing of commerce in the center, the marketing through guilt that peaks at Christmas, all pagan. But not "Xmas," which was a standard abbreviation from early Christian times when every written word was a hand-written word. "X" is not our 'x' but the Greek "chi," the first letter in [Ch]ristos, the Greek equivalent of the Jewish Messiah. Actually the new religion was a surprisingly successful sell considering opposition both from the Jews and from the Romans who deified their emperors in those days, especially as St. Paul did it. He worked largely among non-Jews who were nevertheless sympathetic to Judaism and knew the cultural background that let them accept his preaching. >Pass the dip. >{Where's our resident historian. Don?} Bidin' my time. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Knight. SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net |
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