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Diabetes & Hypertention
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Kumar - 12 Dec 2004 06:00 GMT Can diabetic medications in in excess or in IR condition, can lead to hyperinsulinemia effects/complications?
Can medicines for hypertention lead to lowering the proper blood supply to extremities & other senstive parts?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Dec 2004 08:45 GMT > Can diabetic medications in in excess or in IR condition, can lead to > hyperinsulinemia effects/complications? Depends on the specific medication.
> Can medicines for hypertention lead to lowering the proper blood > supply to extremities & other senstive parts? Depends on the specific medication and dosages.
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lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 20 Dec 2004 08:22 GMT How cold weather can effect old patient with hypertention? Is hyper gastric acidity or internal hyperacidity in linked to high BP? What makes diastolic blood pressure remains higher?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Dec 2004 13:26 GMT > How cold weather can effect old patient with hypertention? It can raise BP.
> Is hyper > gastric acidity or internal hyperacidity in linked to high BP? No.
> What > makes diastolic blood pressure remains higher? High peripheral vascular resistance. Hope the above information helps you.
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lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 21 Dec 2004 08:10 GMT How cold weather can raise BP?
Is High peripheral vascular resistance sole cause of makes diastolic blood pressure remains higher?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Dec 2004 13:31 GMT > How cold weather can raise BP? Peripheral vasoconstriction.
> Is High peripheral vascular resistance sole cause of makes diastolic > blood pressure remains higher? No. However, it is the main reason in most cases.
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lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 21 Dec 2004 17:33 GMT Is there any role of calcium fluoride in CV diseases, enlargement of heart, varicose veins etc.
What is main condition responsible for hear, liver & kidneys in diabetes & hypertention? Are these atherosclerosis & fatty degeneration?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Dec 2004 17:47 GMT lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com wrote:
> Is there any role of calcium fluoride in CV diseases, enlargement of > heart, varicose veins etc. There is no known association that I am aware of.
> What is main condition responsible for hear, liver & kidneys in > diabetes & hypertention? Are these atherosclerosis & fatty > degeneration? Depends on what pathology you are referring to with each of the respective organs.
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Rainey - 21 Dec 2004 19:47 GMT > Is there any role of calcium fluoride in CV diseases, enlargement of > heart, varicose veins etc. Calcium content in diet showed no correlation to cardiovascular risk factors. Magnesium in diet was positively correlated to diastolic blood pressure (DBP)
I have not found any correlation between calcium fluoride (CF subscript 2) and CV diseases. Calcium and small doese of Fluorine are necessary in maintaining heart health. Calcium has been known to cause calcification of aortas. I have a partially calcified abdominal aorta. It comes from regualr dietary intake of calcium. The only way to stop it is to NOT ingest calcium, which is actually worse:) Fluorine is acceptable in small doses, i.e. drinking water and toothpaste. I believe large doses are something to the effect of 2 parts per billion in drinking water. so as far as taking any supplements, i would recommend against it.
> What is main condition responsible for heart, liver & kidneys in > diabetes & hypertention? Are these atherosclerosis & fatty > degeneration? I don't understand the question. Do you mean, how does diabetes and hypertension affect those major organs? Are artherosclerosis and fatty degeneration by-products of diabetes and hypertension? Artherosclerosis. Let's break this down. Arthero- arteries. -o- is a combining form. sclerosis- a condition of hardening and narrowing. so this is different that fatty degeneration. A.sclerosis is fatty deposits in arteries from a high fat diet. Fatty degeneration - i am not sure what you mean by it. degeneration where? rainey
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 22 Dec 2004 03:56 GMT Yes, I want to know how diabetes & hypertension effect major orgons? I want to know main condition/s which can be the result of these disorders & lead to effect on major orgons? Artherosclerosis, fatty degeneration( as fatty liver in which fat deposits in cells/EC spaces which lead to damage/death of tissues), necrosis, auto-immunity..are some major conditions & I want to know which out of these conditions can be caused by diabetes & hypertention which lead to so considered complications of these diseases?
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 22 Dec 2004 03:58 GMT Yes, I want to know how diabetes & hypertension effect major orgons? I want to know main condition/s which can be the result of these disorders & lead to effect on major orgons? Artherosclerosis, fatty degeneration( as fatty liver in which fat deposits in cells/EC spaces which lead to damage/death of tissues), necrosis, auto-immunity..are some major conditions & I want to know which out of these conditions can be caused by diabetes & hypertention which lead to so considered complications of these diseases?
Furthur, does diabetes damages liver also & can abot 70/80% damaged liver can cause hypokalema?
Rainey - 22 Dec 2004 05:32 GMT I will respond in full sometime tomorrow, as I am limited on time right now. From what I know offhand, diabetes can damage the liver. If a person has too many insulin reactions, it causes the liver to produce too much glucogen, working it to death, eventually leading to liver failure. The rest I will be more than happy to post about tomorrow evening when I get done Xmas shopping:) Rainey
Rainey - 22 Dec 2004 06:03 GMT A quick note. Diabetes can adversely affect the kidneys. I know this firsthand as I just donated my kidney to my fiance. A Type 1 diabetic for 18 years. I am not sure of the specifics, but diabetes, in my fiance, caused his kidneys to start leaking protein into his urine. This damaged his kidneys and eventually led to ESRD (End Stage Renal Disease). He was put on dialysis. Since his kidneys failed, it caused hypertension. The kidneys could not process out all the fluids, so they built up in his body. The heart had to pump harder and harder to push through this fluid. There was his hypertension. He is still on medications for it, although it has decreased to only one (Norvasc) and has become quite manageable. Since diabetes is an autoimmune disease, I suspect it causes the body to turn on itself and attack its own organs. Or it could be that when one organ starts to malfunction, it throws the entire body system off (unbalanced) and creates strain on other organs to pick up the slack. More tomorrow Rainey
Rainey - 21 Dec 2004 19:29 GMT > How cold weather can raise BP? my estimation: cold weather causes vasoconstriction. your heart will hvae to pump harder to make it through all those narrow capillaries, thereby increasing BP. OR, in order to generate more body heat, vasodilation occurs, and the heart has to pump more blood throughout the body to keep warm and wamr up the blood that has cooled from being near the surface of the skin. just a thought rainey
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 22 Dec 2004 04:14 GMT Does it mean cold weather or places with much cold weather is dangerous to hypertenive patients? How Fluorine are necessary in maintaining heart health?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Dec 2004 05:11 GMT > Does it mean cold weather or places with much cold weather is > dangerous to hypertenive patients? No. It may mean a little higher dose of blood pressure medications however.
> How Fluorine are necessary in maintaining heart health? It is not. Fluoride is added to drinking water for dental health. Hope the above information helps you.
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lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 22 Dec 2004 14:24 GMT Is there any indication that people who live in areas with high flurode/florine level in thei drinking water gets some CV problems?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Dec 2004 15:38 GMT > Is there any indication that people who live in areas with high > flurode/florine level in thei drinking water gets some CV problems? No. There is no known association.
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Rainey - 22 Dec 2004 17:40 GMT > Is there any indication that people who live in areas with high > flurode/florine level in thei drinking water gets some CV problems? Without doing extra research, I can safely say No. Just bone problems. In children, their teeth get messed up, called fluorosis, I believe. But no, no CV risk. Rainey
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 23 Dec 2004 10:21 GMT Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in BVs?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Dec 2004 12:23 GMT > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in BVs? The associated hyperketonemia may worsen atherosclerosis.
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Kumar - 24 Dec 2004 03:51 GMT > > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in BVs? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Is this spam? > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Thanks for good idication. Do you mean associated hyperketonemia on fats breakdown due to fasting? Can you tell some more how hyperketonemia may worsen atherosclerosis? In diabetes, how wound healing become difficult?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Dec 2004 03:57 GMT > > > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in > BVs? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Thanks for good idication. Do you mean associated hyperketonemia on > fats breakdown due to fasting? Yes.
> Can you tell some more how > hyperketonemia may worsen atherosclerosis? There is evidence to believe that it accelerates lipid peroxidation.
> In diabetes, how wound healing become difficult? Poor peripheral circulation from vascular disease (both small and large vessel).
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Kumar - 24 Dec 2004 08:10 GMT Is there any link of K+, Na+ & Mg+ with diabetes? Does any of these gets imbalanced in high BG/Diabetic condition?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Dec 2004 13:44 GMT > Is there any link of K+, Na+ & Mg+ with diabetes? No.
> Does any of these > gets imbalanced in high BG/Diabetic condition? Not while blood glucose is controlled.
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Kumar - 25 Dec 2004 04:50 GMT [img]http://forums.randi.org/images/smilies/christmas.gif[/img] BEST SEASONS GREETING TO YOU & OTHERS.
Kumar - 26 Dec 2004 06:51 GMT Can there be some other reasoning of persistant hyperglycemia that low insulin level & insulin resistance?
Do the diabetec medicines & excess insulin level increases gastric & internal acidity?
Can excess iron in body be linked to neuropathic related diabetic complications?
Jim Clements - 26 Dec 2004 17:36 GMT > Can there be some other reasoning of persistant hyperglycemia that low > insulin level & insulin resistance? What most people refer to as insulin resistance, I think is a misnomer. I think that insulin is probably doing its job but getting blamed for the results.
Glucose transfers from the blood into cells by a process called facilitated osmosis. Insulin facilitates in this transfer by opening the door which glucose may flow into the cell. When this door is opened, the transfer of glucose into the cell is done via osmosis, a substance flowing from an area of greater concentration to lesser concentration.
In a health body, the cell rapidly burns glucose so when insulin opens the door, a concentration gradient exists, there is less glucose inside the cell than outside the cell, so glucose flows to the area of lesser concentration, inside the cell.
What happens when metabolism becomes impaired? Glucose is not burned as rapidly in the cell. Insulin opens the door, but becuase there is still a lot of glucose that has not yet been burned, there is still almost as much glucose inside the cell as outside the cell, a strong concentration gradient does not exist, glucose can not move as rapidly into the cell. The result is that blood glucose levels remain elevated for a longer time.
Over time, the cell gets weary of insulin opening the door and letting in more glucose that it reduces the number of doors that insulin can open.
Insulin gets the blame but insulin was doing its job.
On possible cause of impaired metabolism is a block in the mitochondria. Mitochondria processes are aerobic, they require oxygen to function. In the lack of oxygen delivery they cannot operate.
A too alkaline pH blood can interfere with the transfer of oxygen into the cell. (Do a google search on "Bohr Effect") I believe that this alkaline blood pH is a contributing factor for people with CFS-FMS and that that condition is probably leading that group into type 2 diabetes.
Do you know what your blood pH is?
All the best, Jim
Kumar - 27 Dec 2004 08:20 GMT Jim Clements,
Thanks for differant view on insulin resistance. Frankly, I also doubt IR theory & Oxygen & blood pH should be important in this respect. Actually these both are related to each other & should effect all body conditions. I just gives definition of Bhor effect:-
"The Bohr Effect is an adaptation in animals to release oxygen in the oxygen starved tissues in capillaries where respiratory carbon dioxide lowers blood pH. When blood pH decreases, the ability of hemoglobin to bind to oxygen decreases. Hemoglobin binds to oxygen in the oxygen-rich atmosphere of the lungs, and releases it in the oxygen-poor environment of the tissues.
The primary function of hemoglobin is to carry oxygen from the lungs to tissues. The Bohr Effect aids in this function by releasing oxygen to the tissues when the concentration of hydrogen ions becomes large. At low pH the Bohr Effect allows the blood to unload oxygen for use by the muscles. Therefore, the Bohr Effect is necessary for the body to function. " http://www.iscid.org/encyclopedia/Bohr_Effect It looks to be relaevant as we can think of body precess to make lactic acid in case of more energy required on hard excercises. Probably, mornig walk & sugessted excercises in diabetes may also lead to excess acid production required for this reason. Lactic, Keto & Uremic type acidities develops during diabetes progression, we can think these as somewhat natural process to help cells to get more Oxygen so more energy. Detailed thinking is required on this issue. Best Wishes.
Kumar - 27 Dec 2004 09:06 GMT Jim Clements,
Thanks for differant view on insulin resistance. Frankly, I also doubt IR theory & Oxygen & blood pH should be important in this respect. Actually these both are related to each other & should effect all body conditions. I just gives definition of Bhor effect:-
"The Bohr Effect is an adaptation in animals to release oxygen in the oxygen starved tissues in capillaries where respiratory carbon dioxide lowers blood pH. When blood pH decreases, the ability of hemoglobin to bind to oxygen decreases. Hemoglobin binds to oxygen in the oxygen-rich atmosphere of the lungs, and releases it in the oxygen-poor environment of the tissues.
The primary function of hemoglobin is to carry oxygen from the lungs to tissues. The Bohr Effect aids in this function by releasing oxygen to the tissues when the concentration of hydrogen ions becomes large. At low pH the Bohr Effect allows the blood to unload oxygen for use by the muscles. Therefore, the Bohr Effect is necessary for the body to function. " http://www.iscid.org/encyclopedia/Bohr_Effect It looks to be relaevant as we can think of body precess to make lactic acid in case of more energy required on hard excercises. Probably, mornig walk & sugessted excercises in diabetes may also lead to excess acid production required for this reason. Lactic, Keto & Uremic type acidities develops during diabetes progression, we can think these as somewhat natural process to help cells to get more Oxygen so more energy. Detailed thinking is required on this issue. Best Wishes.
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 24 Dec 2004 04:15 GMT > > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in BVs? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Is this spam? > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Thanks for good idication. Do you mean associated hyperketonemia on fats breakdown due to fasting? Can you tell some more how hyperketonemia may worsen atherosclerosis? In diabetes, how wound healing become difficult?
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 24 Dec 2004 04:21 GMT > > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in BVs? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Is this spam? > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9 Thanks for good idication. Do you mean associated hyperketonemia on fats breakdown due to fasting? Can you tell some more how hyperketonemia may worsen atherosclerosis? In diabetes, how wound healing become difficult?
Rainey - 23 Dec 2004 18:01 GMT > Can complete & occasional fasting lower Artherosclerosis effect in > BVs? Doubtful. I would think it would have to be a change in diet and excercise. If that didn't lower the cholesteral levels, then medication is necessary. If anything, fasting might be worse, as when you resume eating, the food goes straight to fat. When you fast, you burn off muscle instead of fat. It is why anorexics are lean, sure, but have no muscle mass and are generally weak. They starve themselves and burned off all their muscle tissue. I would talk to a doctor about this before you try and fast and such:) Good Luck and Happy Holidays Rainey
Rainey - 22 Dec 2004 06:14 GMT > Does it mean cold weather or places with much cold weather is > dangerous to hypertenive patients? > How Fluorine are necessary in maintaining heart health? Flourine can combine with several substances, one being calcium, which does not dissolve in water and forms a white powdery substance. (When combined with Calcium, it is called Fluoride. We add the -ide ending because its oxidation state is -1, and Calcium is +2, so it carries less electrons, hence the -ide ending) In adults, exposure to high levels of fluoride can result in denser bones. However, if exposure is high enough, these bones may be more fragile and brittle and there may be a greater risk of breaking the bone. In animals, exposure to extremely high doses of fluoride can result in decreased fertility and sperm and testes damage. I have not found anything that correlates fluorine to heart health, although I do know mitochondria utilize fluorine more than any other compound/nutrient/whatever. Mitochondria are nicknamed the powerhouse of the cell, providing cells with energy.
As far as living in colder climes, I believe in "normal" healthy people it shouldn't matter much. I am not sure if this is even a fact. I just put two and two together and it appears logically sound. In people whose health is compromised, it may have an effect.
Rainey
lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com - 22 Dec 2004 09:21 GMT Rainy thanks. Marry X-mas.
You told "Calcium and small doese of Fluorine are necessary in maintaining heart health"
Can you explain "I do know mitochondria utilize fluorine more than any other compound/nutrient/whatever." bit more...how & for what it is used? Can flourine, fluoride or calcium fluoride be realted to loss of elasticity by blood vessels or hardening of BVs?
Rainey - 22 Dec 2004 17:59 GMT > Rainy thanks. Marry X-mas. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Can flourine, fluoride or calcium fluoride be realted to loss of > elasticity by blood vessels or hardening of BVs? http://www.xmission.com/~kaa/fluoridation/F-Miller.html http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/8/8/2675 http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/2002.f.part.2.abstracts.htm http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/perfluidone.pubmed.htm
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