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Cholesterol Drugs May Not Reduce Risk of Dementia

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listener - 12 Nov 2004 17:31 GMT
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - New study findings suggest that the
cholesterol-lowering drugs know as "statins" do not appear to lower the
risk of dementia or Alzheimer's disease, except possibly in cases of
early-onset Alzheimer's disease.

This runs counter to recent reports indicating that these drugs do, in
fact, reduce the risk of dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

The authors of the current study, reported in the November 9th issue of
the medical journal Neurology, believe the discrepancy may have to do
with how the data were analyzed.

Dr. Gail Li, from the University of Washington in Seattle, and colleagues
assessed the outcomes of 2,356 elderly subjects without dementia who were
in a health maintenance organization. The subjects were enrolled in the
study between 1994 and 1996 and were evaluated every two years until the
end of 2002.

During follow-up, 312 subjects were diagnosed with all-cause dementia and
168 with probable Alzheimer's disease.

As noted, statin use did not have a significant effect on the risk of
dementia or Alzheimer's disease. Moreover, there was no evidence that
higher or lower doses of statin affected the development of dementia.

However, statin use was linked with a lower risk of "probable"
Alzheimer's disease in subjects younger than 80 years who also had a
least one copy of APOE E4, a gene mutation associated with increased risk
of Alzheimer's disease. But this relationship was not strong.

"Our results argue against the general premise that statins used for
prevention of coronary heart disease will result in prevention of
dementia or Alzheimer's disease, except perhaps in subgroups at high risk
for early-onset Alzheimer's disease or in persons starting statins at a
younger age and taking them for longer periods of time," Li's team
concludes.

SOURCE: Neurology, November 9, 2004.
birm47@gmail.com - 27 Nov 2004 00:55 GMT
Read Dr Graveline's book, "Lipitor - Thief of Memory and the Misguided
War on Cholesterol". Statins definitely cause cognitive problems, such
as: transient global anmesia, short term and long term memory loss and
everything inbetween. These side effects sometimes disappear once
statins are discontinued, but there are many cases where the damage is
permanent.
outrider - 27 Nov 2004 01:26 GMT
> Read Dr Graveline's book, "Lipitor - Thief of Memory and the Misguided
> War on Cholesterol". Statins definitely cause cognitive problems, such
> as: transient global anmesia, short term and long term memory loss and
> everything inbetween. These side effects sometimes disappear once
> statins are discontinued, but there are many cases where the damage is
> permanent.

I hear from people daily who's physicians don't recognize this as side
effect of statins and are attributing to and treating for ALS, MS, and
other things. It is difficult to explain to those who have not
experienced this how it robs you of ability to even make it clear to
others there is something wrong.

If you do manage to articulate something, you are told it's owing to
some other cause, even age--at 50!?. It also seems to vary, being
better if you take yourself off the drug, but not disappearing, and
then returning when you go back on. And it is incidious. It encompases
all aspects of your life. Those who have transient global amnesia are
aware iimmediately, but those who have short term nd executive function
memory loss are not.

People who suffer the latter are usually unable to get their physicians
to understand, and they are told they are suffering nothing more than
old age, but not having any experience with this, they don't know how
to judge it, and begin avoiding, and coping, and covering up.

Sometimes the saving grace is becoming so forgetful one forgets to take
the drug for days on end, and improvement starts, and one is again able
to discern and say: yes, this must be that drug.

Zee
listener - 27 Nov 2004 01:40 GMT
birm47@gmail.com wrote in news:1101516943.904658.97070
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Read Dr Graveline's book, "Lipitor - Thief of Memory and the Misguided
> War on Cholesterol". Statins definitely cause cognitive problems, such
> as: transient global anmesia, short term and long term memory loss and
> everything inbetween. These side effects sometimes disappear once
> statins are discontinued, but there are many cases where the damage is
> permanent.

Can you provide some links to legitimate studies that support your
conclusion, please.

Thanks.

L.
birm47@gmail.com - 27 Nov 2004 02:45 GMT
One study mentioned in Dr Graveline's book:

Medscape from WebMD 'Memory Loss'
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Statin-Associated Memory Loss:
Analysis of 60 Case Reports and Review of the Literature
from Pharmacotherapy
Posted 07/25/2003

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/458867_1
Bill - 27 Nov 2004 08:02 GMT
> One study mentioned in Dr Graveline's book:
>
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>
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/458867_1

Here is the conclusion from the article

"Conclusion: Current literature is conflicting with regard to the effects of
statins on memory loss. Experimental studies support links between cholesterol
intake and amyloid synthesis; observational studies indicate that patients
receiving statins have a reduced risk of dementia. However, available
prospective studies show no cognitive or antiamyloid benefits for any statin.
In addition, case reports raise the possibility that statins, in rare cases,
may be associated with cognitive impairment, though causality is not certain."

Note the words, "possibility", "rare", and "causality is not certain"
Combined with the rest of the conclusion, I read this as saying the evidence
is a mixed bag.

Bill
listener - 27 Nov 2004 19:44 GMT
>> One study mentioned in Dr Graveline's book:
>>
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>
> Bill

Bill,

You should know by now....they (birm47, zee, et al) sell the sizzle, not
the steak.

L.
outrider - 27 Nov 2004 02:51 GMT
> birm47@gmail.com wrote in news:1101516943.904658.97070
> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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>
> L.

Happy to oblige. Zee

Bassuk SS, Wypij D, Berkman LF (2000), Cognitive impairment and
mortality in the community-dwelling elderly. Am J Epidemiol
151(7):676-688.

Frisoni GB, Fratiglioni L, Fastbom J et al. (1999), Mortality in
nondemented subjects with cognitive impairment: the influence of
health-related factors. Am J Epidemiol 150(10):1031-1044.

Golomb BA, Kane T, Dimsdale JA (2004), Severe irritability associated
with statin cholesterol-lowering drugs. QJM 97(4):229-235.

Heart Protection Study Collaborative Group (2002), MRC/BHF Heart
Protection Study of cholesterol lowering with simvastatin in 20,536
high-risk individuals: a randomised placebo-controlled trial. Lancet
360(9326):7-22 [see comments].

King DS, Jones DW, Wofford MR et al. (2001), Cognitive impairment
associated with atorvastatin. Presented at the American College of
Clinical Pharmacy Spring Practice and Research Forum. Salt Lake City;
April 22-25.

King DS, Wilburn AJ, Wofford MR et al. (2003), Cognitive impairment
associated with atorvastatin and simvastatin. Pharmacotherapy
23(12):1663-1667.

Korten AE, Jorm AF, Jiao Z et al. (1999), Health, cognitive, and
psychosocial factors as predictors of mortality in an elderly community
sample. J Epidemiol Community Health 53(2):83-88.

Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM et al. (2000), Effects of lovastatin on
cognitive function and psychological well-being. Am J Med
108(7):538-546.
Muldoon MF, Ryan CM, Flory JD, Manuck SB (2002), Effects of simvastatin
on cognitive functioning. Presented at the American Heart Association
Scientific Sessions. Chicago; Nov. 17-20.

Orsi A, Sherman O, Woldeselassie Z (2001), Simvastatin-associated
memory loss. Pharmacotherapy 21(6):767-769.

Smits CH, Deeg DJ, Kriegsman DM, Schmand B (1999), Cognitive
functioning and health as determinants of mortality in an older
population. Am J Epidemiol 150(9):978-986.

Wagstaff LR, Mitton MW, Arvik BM, Doraiswamy PM (2003),
Statin-associated memory loss: analysis of 60 case reports and review
of the literature. Pharmacotherapy 23(7):871-880.
listener - 27 Nov 2004 15:36 GMT
>> birm47@gmail.com wrote in news:1101516943.904658.97070
>> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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> Statin-associated memory loss: analysis of 60 case reports and review
> of the literature. Pharmacotherapy 23(7):871-880.

sh.t, did I step into another zee alias (birm47)! Oh well, now kfiled.

(BTW, those aren't *links*)

L.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Nov 2004 19:00 GMT
> >> birm47@gmail.com wrote in news:1101516943.904658.97070
> >> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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>
> L.

Frank, the truth that I discern is that you do *not* have Zee (aka
Outrider) killfilled :-)

It is written in Ephesians 2:

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe.  When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it.  Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.

For Christ lights up the way through John 14:

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."

This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks such as yourself, Frank, who have chosen to
walk in the "dark":

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God.  Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.

Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K50B237D9).  All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)

You will be in my prayers, dear Frank whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.

Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before
it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach.  Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
outrider - 28 Nov 2004 00:39 GMT
> >> birm47@gmail.com wrote in news:1101516943.904658.97070
> >> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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>
> L.

Listener said: "(BTW, those aren't *links*)"
Perhaps we could hook you up to a feeding tube.

Zee
 
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