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antiarrhythmic drug use: limitations

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Zee - 29 Sep 2004 15:28 GMT
"The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a
large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of existing
antiarrhythmic drugs. Over one-third of patients with new-onset AF
received antiarrhythmic drugs despite the presence of contraindications
or warnings.

Although such restrictions may not preclude the use of these drugs, the
results demonstrate the need for new antiarrhythmic drugs with fewer
limitations."

CMAJ · September 28, 2004; 171 (7). doi:10.1503/cmaj.1031277.
© 2004 Canadian Medical Association or its licensors

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Limitations to antiarrhythmic drug use in patients with atrial
fibrillation

Karin H. Humphries, Charles R. Kerr, Michael Steinbuch and Paul Dorian
for The Canadian Registry of Atrial Fibrillation (CARAF) Investigators

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/171/7/741
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/171/7/741
roy - 29 Sep 2004 16:03 GMT
> "The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a large
> proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of existing
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> results demonstrate the need for new antiarrhythmic drugs with fewer
> limitations."

No, they should find out the cause first. Drugs like beta blockers are
have their own dangers. Fix the problem instead of treating the symptoms
with bad drugs.

> CMAJ · September 28, 2004; 171 (7). doi:10.1503/cmaj.1031277. © 2004
> Canadian Medical Association or its licensors
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/171/7/741
> http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/171/7/741
listener - 29 Sep 2004 17:10 GMT
>> "The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a
>> large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> have their own dangers. Fix the problem instead of treating the
> symptoms with bad drugs.

That's a bit simplistic, don't you think?

What makes you think that researchers are *not* exploring the underlying
cause(s) of AF?

"Fix the problem". Easy to say, sometimes difficult to do.

Just a few years ago (10-20) there we're really no options for AF
sufferers. At least now there *are* drug alternatives and evolving (and
improving) ablation techniques.

L.
Hawki63 - 29 Sep 2004 17:30 GMT
>Subject: Re: antiarrhythmic drug use: limitations
>From: listener listener@nospam.net
>Date: 9/29/2004 9:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns95737C8ACBBE2some1outthere@38.144.126.102>

>> large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of
>>> existing antiarrhythmic drugs. Over one-third of patients with
>>> new-onset AF received antiarrhythmic drugs despite the presence of
>>> contraindications or warnings.

throwing a clot is riskier than doing nothing..

in my h.o.

hawki.....
listener - 29 Sep 2004 17:54 GMT
hawki63@aol.com (Hawki63) wrote in news:20040929123004.05710.00005379@mb-
m14.aol.com:

>>Subject: Re: antiarrhythmic drug use: limitations
>>From: listener listener@nospam.net
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> hawki.....

hawki,

Your snipping makes it appear that I said the above, which I did not.

And while I do feel that treating *new-onset* afib with meds should be
done with caution, your point is an important one. (Of course,
anticoagulation therapy can be effected to the exclusion of
antiarrhythmic drugs.)

L.
Hawki63 - 29 Sep 2004 20:50 GMT
>Subject: Re: antiarrhythmic drug use: limitations
>From: listener listener@nospam.net
>Date: 9/29/2004 9:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns957384039FCE2some1outthere@38.144.126.79>

>Your snipping makes it appear that I said the above, which I did not.

sorry...my bad

>anticoagulation therapy can be effected to the exclusion of
>antiarrhythmic drugs.)

true...
hawki.....
roy - 30 Sep 2004 08:44 GMT
>>> "The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a
>>> large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of existing
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>
> That's a bit simplistic, don't you think?

No, hospital doctors are too ready to prescribe drugs like sotalol
to persons presenting with infrequent AF such as was so in my case.
Sotalol can induce torsaides del pointes and perhaps other deleterious
effects as well.

> What makes you think that researchers are *not* exploring the underlying
> cause(s) of AF?

My cardio isn't interested in finding out what is causing my AF. At least
that is the impression I get from him.

> "Fix the problem". Easy to say, sometimes difficult to do.

Of course it's difficult. But hey, look at all the advances elsewhere.
No, I think AF is (maybe was) a cinderella subject. I think that is
changing slowly.

> Just a few years ago (10-20) there we're really no options for AF
> sufferers. At least now there *are* drug alternatives and evolving (and
> improving) ablation techniques.

Yes, and 100 years ago your local barber performed surgery. So what.
Drugs treat symptoms and often they do it badly. Surgery may be
corrective of course but ablation? That's like the old psycho surgerys.

> L.
uplbet - 30 Sep 2004 13:52 GMT
>[...] ablation? That's like the old psycho surgerys.

can you please explain your viewpoint?
(I'm booked for ablation against paroxysmal AF next january).

Thanks
--
uplbet
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listener - 30 Sep 2004 14:06 GMT
>>>> "The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a
>>>> large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Sotalol can induce torsaides del pointes and perhaps other deleterious
> effects as well.

By "hosptial doctors" you mean ER situations? In my experience and in
talking to many others in that situation cardizem and/or cardioversion is
usually tried first.

Of course these meds have side effects. All meds have side effects, from
benign to some that are extremely serious. That does not mean that they
are helping some people.
 
>> What makes you think that researchers are *not* exploring the
>> underlying cause(s) of AF?
>
> My cardio isn't interested in finding out what is causing my AF. At
> least that is the impression I get from him.

I said "researchers". Most cardiologists don't have the time to devote to
research of, as my cardiologist in NYC once said to me, the "Holy Grail"
of arrythmias [afib].

>> "Fix the problem". Easy to say, sometimes difficult to do.
>
> Of course it's difficult. But hey, look at all the advances elsewhere.
> No, I think AF is (maybe was) a cinderella subject. I think that is
> changing slowly.

Advances in cardiology *have* been made.


>> Just a few years ago (10-20) there we're really no options for AF
>> sufferers. At least now there *are* drug alternatives and evolving
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> corrective of course but ablation? That's like the old psycho
> surgerys.

This is nonsense. Ablation is helping many people live normal lives. Meds
like tikosyn, flecainide, etc.. are also allowing others to live a normal
sinus life. Are there risks? Of course.

Are you angry about something? It seems to be clouding your thinking.

L.
listener - 30 Sep 2004 14:14 GMT
>>>>> "The high burden of comorbid disease and concomitant drug use in a
>>>>> large proportion of patients with AF limits the suitability of
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> from benign to some that are extremely serious. That does not mean
> that they are helping some people.

Correction: should read ... "That does not mean
that they are not helping some people."

>>> What makes you think that researchers are *not* exploring the
>>> underlying cause(s) of AF?
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> L.
 
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