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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / September 2006how long can a heart bypass last ?
Something very heartening happened today : I met a friend who told me he has a double bypass (using a sephanous vein from his leg) that has lasted 20 years so far. liaM >Subject: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: liaM cuddly@mindless.com >Date: 9/8/2004 10:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chngnf$nuo$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr> >I met a friend who told me he has a double bypass (using >a sephanous vein from his leg) that has lasted 20 years >so far. not that uncommon... bypass is "supposed" to buy you at least 10 years... unlike angioplasty/stents..... of course..the increased years are also likely to do with lifestyle and diet changes...so theoritically he may be set for LIFE hawki..... >bypass is "supposed" to buy you at least 10 years... > >unlike angioplasty/stents..... by the way, how long are they supposed to last? -- uplbet (in email reply delete 01234xxx from the address) >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: uplbet uplbet01234xxx@fastwebnet.it >Date: 9/8/2004 12:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <91puj0931t5gmjgkhjosuaoc5q6du29ac4@4ax.com> >by the way, how long are they supposed to last? >-- >uplbet >(in email reply delete 01234xxx from the address) if you are replying to angioplasty and stents..well about 4-5 years...UNLESS one is in the 40% or so who's stents re occlude less than 6 months!! ( as with my hubby) bypass on the other hand..statistically speaking..are "supposed" to last 10 years..tho many outlive their owners!! hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >>From: uplbet uplbet01234xxx@fastwebnet.it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bypass on the other hand..statistically speaking..are "supposed" to last 10 > years..tho many outlive their owners!! I think with the newer drug eluting stents the incidence of resentosis is much less. Assuming you get beyond the 6 month period and you get your act together with lifestyle modifications and taking medications, I would have thought the angioplasties would last longer. I understand how a vein would weaken over time. But if they substantially reduce a blockage with a balloon what would cause that area in particular to grow back - beyond the restenosis stage? BTW I was in and out of WMC so often in the late 80s and early 90s that the staff in the cath. lab and I became quite familiar. Bill >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Bill" xxx@yy.zz >Date: 9/8/2004 3:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <ERL%c.9087$ZC7.6636@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> >I think with the newer drug eluting stents the incidence of resentosis is >much >less. Bill....tho that was the hope....it isn't quite panning out....also the drug eluding (think it is a "d"....but you may be right)...cost $3000 a PIECE so many insurances won't pay for them...sad >Assuming you get beyond the 6 month period and you get your act together with >lifestyle modifications and taking medications, I would have thought the >angioplasties would last longer. I understand how a vein would weaken over >time. But if they substantially reduce a blockage with a balloon what woul hmmmm....firstly..remember we are talking arteries..not veins..so weakening is not the problem..re clogging with junk is.. also stents are "foreign bodies"..so obstensibly they may increase inflammation..but not sure > But if they substantially reduce a blockage with a balloon what would >cause that area in particular to grow >back - beyond the restenosis stage? all the balloon actually does is push back the occlusion...perhaps reducing the %% of blockage from say...90% to 50%...then the possibility of that area beginning to narrow again.. with a graft...one would think that a "virgin" artery would be wide open to start with (yes..it is true that ALL arteries of someone with CAD are probably atherscelerotic)....so IF lifestyle and diet changes occur,....tho %% blockage is apt to recur..it should take awhile...reason for the 10 years on a graft...less with a stent hawki..... Friends I would like to jump in here with a comment regarding stents and US vs.Canada healthcare. Ahem.... A friend had a stent implanted (?) in April. He had an unplanned heart attack while 'home' in Virginia for a month. He is American, but lives here. He only had some kind of temporary /travel/visitor insurance. Anyway he had the stent implanted, came home, and three weeks later while taking a stress test was ripped off the treadmill and whipped into hospital with wild tachycardia or something. They found the stent all clogged up and replaced it. The cardiologist said the Virginia stent was a (now these are not my words but his wife's a steadfast Virginia girl) $500 cheapo and the new stent replacing it, implanted here in Canada, was the $5000 variety. Of course, the stent and whole procedure and following cardio rehab (still ongoing) is covered by unversal health care here in Canada. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/8/2004 5:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <cho6h3$prc@odak26.prod.google.co >Anyway he had the stent implanted, came home, and three weeks later >while taking a stress test was ripped off the treadmill and whipped >into hospital with wild tachycardia or something. They found the stent >all clogged up and replaced it. The Zee stent cannot be removed and replaced EVER..... they can attempt to open up a clogged stent with angioplasty obviously he had the non drug eluding stent.....still used in many many places at least he didn't get put on a waiting list for open heart surgery...as happens in Canada ahem...... yes..the non drug eluding are "cheaper" ..... >implanted >here in Canada, was the $5000 variety the drug eluding ones are about $3000 here... before you go on and on about Canada's great "free" healthcare..etc.. can you explain why the open heart programs in Michigan and Minnesota are doing so many Canadians who are willing to pay cash?? ahhhmmmmmmm hawki..... >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: hawki63@aol.com (Hawki63) >Date: 9/8/2004 5:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040908200833.15758.00000219@mb-m13.aol.com> >obviously he had the non drug eluding stent.....still used in many many place whoops...Bill was correct...it is eluting,,not eluding... oh well.... actually in my looking it up..I read that stents take about 4+ weeks to "epitheliaize" ie the interior to be covered with new cells....thus stents are NEVER removed... hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? > >From: hawki63@aol.com (Hawki63) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > hawki..... Wonder what they did then? Was sure she said removed and replaced with a different, more gonzo version. Will ask. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/8/2004 6:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chocc4$5s2@odak26.prod.google.com> >Wonder what they did then? Was sure she said removed and replaced with >a different, more gonzo version. Will ask. > >Zee perhaps they put the drug kind inside the other?? cannot fathom how else... imagine a piece of metal mesh..that has had months to "grow into" the vessel in question...and you might get a mental picture of why they are not removed.. actually they can't be(well maybe surgically??) hawki..... Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside the old one. She said it was coated. She doesn't know if it was drug eleuting, but the cardio here said, as I mentioned, the old one was a $500 one and the new one $5000. He is feeling much better. While in Virginia he had only travel insurance. Zee > Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside the > old one. She said it was coated. She doesn't know if it was drug [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Zee Coated implies drug eluting. The new one goes inside the old one. The drug eluting stents are much more expensive than plain metal. I don't know exactly when they got FDA approval for widespread use, but I think about a year ago or so. I think in the US most people get the more expensive kind now. Bill > > Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside the > > old one. She said it was coated. She doesn't know if it was drug [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bill What drug(s) would the stent be 'eleuting'? How long do the drugs last? Zee > > > Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside > the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What drug(s) would the stent be 'eleuting'? Rapamycin (aka Sirolimus) > How long do the drugs last? The elution lasts for about a few weeks. The effect of preventing in-stent restenosis extends beyond three months. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 Andrew and Hawki63 I see. It's a 'novel'immunosuppresssant. I think it best to know all I can. Not because I am planning to have heart surgery but because odds are I will, if I'm lucky. So I thank you Andrew and Hawki63 for giving *all* the information you can think of in an understandable way. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/9/2004 11:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chq6ve$v71@odak26.prod.google.com> >Andrew and Hawki63 > >I see. It's a 'novel'immunosuppresssant. I think it best to know all I >can. Not because I am planning to ha re...drug eluting stents I guess that it as good a description as any...sort of anti inflammatory actually I thought the drug eluted for about a year..but I will defer to Dr C...as I couldn't find a specific timeframe anywhere there are two "brand names" that I know of...the Cordis that elutes the drug Dr C mentioned(which I can't remember right now!)...also a newer one,,made by Boston Scientific called the Taxus Stent that has a drug called pacilitaxel...obviously they both work the same way.. my guess of the price being in the range of $3000 PER stent comes from Medicare sites...the higher cost has actually created a financial burden for Medicare,,as hospitals are reimbursed the SAME regardless of whether the drug or non drug kind are used...which means taking a hit when using the drug kind... my hubby spent his career in "medical device manufacturing"...actually in open heart stuff...so this is a field we have some info on hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >>From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > actually I thought the drug eluted for about a year..but I will defer to Dr > C...as I couldn't find a specific timeframe anywhere I'm sure he is right about that. I recall hearing/reading in a couple of places that the drug lasted for about a month or so. And that's the period when you want to stop the start of the restenosis process. Bill > there are two "brand names" that I know of...the Cordis that elutes the drug > Dr [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > hawki..... >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Bill" xxx@yy.zz >Date: 9/9/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <ku20d.14233$FV3.4342@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> >> actually I thought the drug eluted for about a year..but I will defer to Dr >> C...as I couldn't find a specific timeframe anywhere > >I'm sure he is right about that. I recall hearing/reading in a couple of >places that the drug lasted for about a >month or so. And that's the period >when you want to stop the start of the restenosis process. > >Bill agreed hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? > >From: "Bill" xxx@yy.zz > >Date: 9/9/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >Message-id: <ku20d.14233$FV3.4342@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> Hawki and Bill The Boston Scientific Taxus stent has had some problems, apparently: http://www.lieffcabraser.com/stent-recall.htm The stent my friend had implanted in Virginia ($500?) was a "Multi-Link Vision Coronary Stent Family" cobalt chromium stent. The second stent implanted here in Canada ($5000) was a Cypher stent: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/safety/cypher.html And here's a page on 'drug eleuting stent' news: http://www.ptca.org/nv/desnewsframe.html Here is a page on the drug Rapamycin: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/russell/ Note the side effects of rapamycin. Side effects of rapamycin: *Raised lipid and cholesterol levels* *Hypertension* Anaemia Diarrhea Rash Acne Thrombocytopenia Decreases in platelets and haemoglobin Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? stent recall >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/9/2004 4:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chqq8m$13j@odah37.prod.google.co >The Boston Scientific Taxus stent has had some problems, apparently: actually not with the stent itself..but with the device used to implant the stent over the angiocath guide wire these kinds of things do happen with new technology >The second stent implanted here in Canada ($5000) was a Cypher stent: >http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/safety/cypher.html is there some reason you continue to stress the $5000?? which actually is not the price BTW (maybe what Canada pays..but not what Medicare does) yes..drug eluting stents are better..no question >Side effects of rapamycin: > >*Raised lipid and cholester snip.. remember that the amount of drug in the stent is quite limited in quantity..if all of it is gone within a month.. what you are quoting from is a discussion of this drug's use in organ transplant anti rejection anyone who gets an organ transplant HAS to accept the risks of the anti rejection drugs...or not get transplanted... there is NO way to place a foreign organ into a human body without use of anti rejection drugs... however..without the transplant..well...one would die.... hawki..... > > > Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside > the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What drug(s) would the stent be 'eleuting'? Rapamycin (aka Sirolimus) > How long do the drugs last? The elution lasts for about a few weeks. The effect of preventing in-stent restenosis extends beyond three months. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Zee wrote in article <chomp4$ro5@odak26.prod.google.com>: >> > Ok here's the scoop: They put a coated one in, on top of or inside >the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > $500 one and the new one $5000. He is feeling much better. While in >> > Virginia he had only travel insurance. >> Coated implies drug eluting. The new one goes inside the old one. The >drug [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >year ago or >> so. >> I think in the US most people get the more expensive kind now. >What drug(s) would the stent be 'eleuting'? How long do the drugs last? This article discusses a trial of a sirolimus (Rapamune)-eluting stent (Cypher) showing significant reduction of restenosis up to two years. The article also discusses stents based on other drugs for which tests were still in progress. http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp?content=/content/EXTRACT/RAWART /3816/19B.html The paclitaxel (taxol)-eluting stent (TAXUS) showed similar results over a somewhat later nine-month study. http://www.ptca.org/articles/taxus_profileframe.html This article indicates that a newer stent being discussed (June, 2003) maintained elution for as much as two weeks. http://pharmalicensing.com/features/disp/1055610245_3eeb558600db8  SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net >imagine a piece of metal mesh..that has had months to "grow into" the vessel >in >question...and you might get a mental picture of why they are not removed.. > >actually they can't be(well maybe surgically??) A stent is a permanent implant. Designed to keep the narrowed vessel section open, it remains in the artery for the patient’s entire life. The above is an excerpt from this site: http://www.biotronik.com/content/detail.php?id=1273 Virginia >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ?/stent removal? >From: elva4@aol.com (Elva4) >Date: 9/8/2004 7:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040908221954.03719.00000350@mb-m26.aol.com> >>actually they can't be(well maybe surgically??) > A stent is a permanent implant. Designed to keep the narrowed vessel section >open, it remains in the artery for the patient’s entire life. I am well aware of this.. Zee's friend either had a second drug eluting stent implant INSIDE a non drug eluting one...or more likely..the first had occluded..and a second was placed distal to the first... my thought is that putting a second stent inside the first would significantly narrow an already narrow segment of artery just my h.o. hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? > >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > hawki..... Greed. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/8/2004 6:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chocm4$gfl@odbk17.prod.google.com> >> can you explain why the open heart programs in Michigan and Minnesota >are doing >> so many Canadians who are willing to pay cash?? >Greed. > >Zee whose?? the Americans doing the ops?? or the Canadians not willing to wait their turn for "elective bypass" ops?? hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? > >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > hawki..... Both. My friend needed immediate care. He got it. That's the way it works. A form of triage. People who are responding to fearmongering, people who are used to buying their way through life, people who want it "now". On another similar subject, I have other friends who schedule their cesaerean sections for their or their husband's spring break. It snowed. Huge wet clumps covering everything. Cars white mounds. Visibility stratus crapus with intermittent spruce trees. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/9/2004 6:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chpndj$lrt@odah37.prod.google.com> >On another similar subject, I have other friends who schedule >their cesaerean sections for their or >their husband's spring break. > >It snowed. Huge wet clumps covering everything. Cars white mounds. >Visibility stratus crapus with intermittent spruce trees. LOL at the csection thing....MOST women I have known at least TRY and schedule their pregnancies to accommodate something..."don't want a holiday baby...don't want to be huge pregnant in July..etc etc"..not an uncommon thing to do in this overly busy society we live in...not many can afford to stay home and raise kids...as probably most of our moms did... snow???? it is still summer...HOT summer..even humid today as we actually got a few drops of rain as I was going to bed... snow..ice..etc...not for me... hawki..... > >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? > >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > LOL at the csection thing....MOST women I have known at least TRY and schedule > their pregnancies to accommodate something... Convenient pregnancies yes. But planning a c-section so 'birth' occurs during spring break? Zee "don't want a holiday baby...don't > want to be huge pregnant in July..etc etc"..not an uncommon thing to do in this > overly busy society we live in...not many can afford to stay home and raise [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > hawki..... "Zee" <fresh~horses@despammed.com> wrote in part: >Friends > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Zee Sounds like he got perfect treatment in both countries. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Hi Jim What could the treatment reasons be for putting in the other type first I wonder? He was very miserable and ill from the time he returned home (here) until the second procedure. He's a different person now. More worrisome is the fact the stent and the artery would clog again so quickly. Zee >Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >From: "Zee" fresh~horses@despammed.com >Date: 9/8/2004 9:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chom0i$jg6@odah37.prod.google.com> >Hi Jim > >What could the treatment reasons be for putting in the other type first >I wonder? He was very miserable and ill from the time he returned home >(here) until the second procedure. He's a different person now. it is unlikely ..highly unlikely..that the drug eluting stent ..if placed inside the non drug eluting stent..would make one iota of difference in how he felt.. more likely he had a second stent inserted...which was the one more responsible for "opening up his blood flow" thus making him feel better.. one feels no difference with the drug eluting kind..just that they have the effect of preventing early re occlusion.. my guess is the first stent was occluded...they placed a SECOND stent...which re established adequate blood flow...and it was the better kind to boot.. my h.o. only every facility here do not have access to drug eluting stents ...YET...due to the cost medical journals quote the cost at $2200 to $3000 range...as opposed to about $500 ...at first Medicare was not going to pay for the drug ones... >More worrisome is the fact the stent and the artery would clog again so >quickly. > >Zee this is the problem with stents...both kinds hawki..... It seems to me I heard somewhere that Hawki63 wrote in article <20040908163800.03602.00000403@mb-m04.aol.com>: >>Subject: Re: how long can a heart bypass last ? >>From: uplbet uplbet01234xxx@fastwebnet.it >>Date: 9/8/2004 12:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>Message-id: <91puj0931t5gmjgkhjosuaoc5q6du29ac4@4ax.com> >>by the way, how long are they supposed to last? >if you are replying to angioplasty and stents..well about 4-5 years...UNLESS >one is in the 40% or so who's stents re occlude less than 6 months!! ( as with >my hubby) Two arteries from my first angioplasty occluded in three months, but they took a calculated risk in not doing the full set of stents the first time around, choosing to install only one. I'm now six years + with three stents, and no symptoms, FWIW. Just my lucky decade, I guess. :-) >bypass on the other hand..statistically speaking..are "supposed" to last 10 >years..tho many outlive their owners!! SignatureDon donkirk@covad.net When the pipes clog again, do people get a second bypass operation ? What's the record for number of bypass operations performed on a single person ? >Subject: Having more than one by-pass operation.. >From: liaM cuddly@mindless.com >Date: 9/8/2004 1:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <chnp2g$9k5$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr> >When the pipes clog again, do people get a second bypass operation ? >What's the record for number of bypass operations performed on >a single person ? depends... remember once a stent ..or a bypass reclogs..."usually" that portion of the artery cannot be opened,,so a subsequent bypass must be placed BEYOND the blockage...coronary arteries do not always have sufficient "good length" to allow re bypassing... if a subsequent problem develops in a different artery ( there are three coronary arteries..with lots of branches)...then a rebypass can be done successfully just the thought tho of having one's sternum split twice tho gives me the "owies!!" rarely are more than two done...tho they can attempt angioplasty on a clogged graft..with or without success hawki..... > just the thought tho of having one's sternum split twice tho gives me the > "owies!!" > hawki..... Me Too!! First time I did not know what was entailed . And I hope I will never ask for these wish list items. ;)) 1. Get that tube out of my mouth at the earliest possible time. (I?d consider a major bribe for that.) Gagging in total darkness is not desirable. 2. When time to pull the dual tubes out of my chest I?d like oxygen available to help me exhale and someone?s hand to hold. 3. Figure a way to remove leg veins yet leaving the crease or action joint of my knee not cut. Would help in healing. 4. Toilets 20 inches higher as one can?t use all those hand rail?s as it could open up chest. 5. Nurses who only work 28 hours a week and only 16 hours a week in ICU. William(Bill) SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade Serious Vision Problems? --> http://www.ocutech.com/ Two son's users. "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx >Subject: Re: Having more than one by-pass operation.. >From: William Wagner Non11Spamb2wagner@snip.net >Date: 9/8/2004 2:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <Non11Spamb2wagner-B096CD.17104708092004@altnews.snip.net> to answer Bill's concerns >1. Get that tube out of my mouth at the earliest possible time. (I¹d >consider a major bribe for that.) Gagging in total darkness is not >desirable. hubby's was out the moment he regained consciousness...in the recovery room..before we even saw him!! no need (if stable)..to make someone wake up with that chokey thing in >2. When time to pull the dual tubes out of my chest I¹d like oxygen >available to help me exhale and someone¹s hand to hold. that is a good suggestion... >3. Figure a way to remove leg veins yet leaving the crease or action >joint of my knee not cut. Would help in healing. actually this is done...all the time...called "endoscopic vein harvest"...ie a scope is used instead of a lonnnnnngg incision...only have two wee incisions...hubby had this (actually he demanded it!!)....way way easier recovery >4. Toilets 20 inches higher as one can¹t use all those hand rail¹s as >it could open up chest. believe me...that chest will NOT open up..remember the sternum is WIRED shut... however...your suggestion is valid..hubby said the turning in bed was the worst...we moved him to a "daybed" which had a frame around three sides...helped him to reach over his head and "hang on" when he turned >5. Nurses who only work 28 hours a week and only 16 hours a week in ICU. you dear man!!! nursing shortage and all that... tho we found the nurses to be excellent...esp in the ICU..he was 1:1 first night... once on the floor...well..luckily he has a sweet rn for a wife!! hawki..... > When the pipes clog again, do people get a second bypass operation ? Yes. > What's the record for number of bypass operations performed on > a single person ? These days a redo (#2) is rare. #3 is very rare. #4 is probably the record. Servant to the humblest person in the universe, Andrew -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867 Hawki63 I had my first CABGx4 in Jan. 03 had probs and had 7 stents put in 5 in LAD then probs again and had 2nd CABGx4 in Spt. 03 have been well since how long will this all lastnow ? I know for initial one they said about 10 years but can get an estimate after all this. thanks deb >>Subject: how long can a heart bypass last ? >>From: liaM cuddly@mindless.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >hawki..... |
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