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verity@gefinden.com - 03 Nov 2009 13:29 GMT > Dr. Chung do you sin? "No."
> Please provide examples of how often "Zero."
> and of what kind? "None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
guardian Snow - 03 Nov 2009 13:52 GMT On Nov 4, 12:29 am, ver...@gefinden.com wrote:
> > Dr. Chung do you sin? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my favorite songs says,
Runner by Manfred Mann
“Through the night, through the dawn Behind you another runner is born Don't look back, you've been there Feel the mist as your breath hits the air And it's underneath the moonlight Passing some Still your heart beats in the moonlight Like a drum
And you will run your time A shooting star across the sky And you will surely cross the line To pass on the flame” -
Not everybody is going to win this race but most certainly, you can be on that winning team that comes to the truth and recognize your own divine nature. Why do so many claim to “live in sin” which is a present tense, self defeating negative statement of their own state? If you are forgiven and made whole then if you are truly “one with the spirit” you will no longer retain those old ways of thought and perfection is within your reach but first, YOU MUST BELIEVE.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Words are awesome power and contain within them the very “mystery” of life. I speak of a mystery not because it is any secret revelation given to me but because so few understand that in reality science shows your faith, your belief and your works can and do make you whole and strong. As you believe, it will be done said the Messiah.
Mat 8:13 And Yehoshua said to the captain, “Go, and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that hour.
So many people actually demonstrate a lack of faith and these people do not need to be corrected or put down or even argued against because this is not the Messianic doctrine of peace.
Simply put, if I spent all my days like some going around telling you about all the false witnesses in the world, I would never truly obey my Masters teachings to spread the Good News that the power of life, forgiveness and even healing come to those who know, obey and keep to the teachings of Torah.
I am a spiritual being with a body and connection to my source of being, connects me to an infinite power that when understood grants me the ability of source energy that Hebrew Scriptures names, YAHWEH. If I spoke of the marvelous things that have manifested in my life by his name, most would ridicule me and trample me down as a dog but this understanding is clear, when we follow the true teachings of the Torah and the spiritual giants of our Masters the prophets, conflict disappears and we become one with the will of Yahweh and that source and I say now that whether for good or evil, what we focus on will manifest according to our belief.
So many have become slave to a dogma that says they must continue to live in transgression of the Torah? Why would you believe you are anything less that PERFECTION? Why believe you are unable to keep the Torah when at it’s very core of the doctrine it says, “Do what is right” and “Love Elohim, your neighbor and the stranger who sojourns amongst you” for we were once strangers ourselves but now are called to be Priest of the most high EL YAHWEH.
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move. And no matter shall be impossible for you.”
If NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, you are only demonstrating unbelief when you confirm these teachings that you continue to live in sin for in it, you deny that you are forgiven and made whole by your belief and now should do the works accordingly as our Messiah taught, guarding ALL that he commanded and living a life by the examples that he left for us to follow after… only then do we understand what he taught us to “take up your stake” and to “follow me” for in it, we understand that we are equals with him as one brother is to another.
Mat 12:48 But He answering, said to the one who spoke to Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” Mat 12:49 And having stretched out His hand toward His taught ones, He said, “See My mother and My brothers! Mat 12:50 “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”
YAHWEH is not a respecter of your sex and this applies to woman as well, that no person is left behind in this race to the finish… that UNITY is by SPIRIT and the power of OUR WORD and so, carry your torch and be that light, that beacon on the hill and recognize YOUR righteousness in Yahweh and do what is right to win the race, keep running underneath the moonlight and blaze your trail that others may follow YOU in example. If not for yourself, do it for your children… your friends, your family… you know what is right but first you must believe that you are capable and put away self defeating thoughts of imperfections and inability and truly adopt that euphemist that President Obama made so famous that says, “Yes, WE CAN!” We can, when we do what is right and connect to that infinite source to envision what should be for the Torah is a Universal way of life, not a curse to be shunned or feared.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.1 Footnote: 1See 7:12.
Establish the Torah in your life through belief because until you actually work it by putting your beliefs into action, you have simply gone into unbelief in your own ability to do what is right.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”
Shalom, *´¨) ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray. Lord Byron
Please come post your comments at http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/ A public forum for those who believe.
“You’re the voice” by John Farnham We have The chance to turn the pages over We can write what we want to write We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter We're all someone's son How long can we look at each other Down the barrel of a gun?
Chorus: You're the voice, try and understand it Make a noise and make it clear Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o! We're not gonna sit in silence We're not gonna live with fear Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
This time We know we all stand together With the power to be powerful Believing, we can make it better
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998) version which you can download for free at http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Michael Christ - 04 Nov 2009 02:30 GMT >> Dr. Chung do you sin? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one does sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department declare that everyone has to be like them. :-).
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 04 Nov 2009 10:27 GMT > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: > > >> Dr. Chung do you sin? > > > > "No." Not while in the Holy Spirit.
> >> Please provide examples of how often > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in > > us. The sin remains in the past as those of us who have stopped sinning by being mindful of WDJW and doing what He wants remain sinners having sin in our past.
Meanwhile the following is a recent explication of how born again Christians can keep sinning though forgiven of all their sins:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/013d97011bed20f3?
Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven.
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
> > If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our > > sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department declare > that everyone has to be like them. :-). Why are you happy about the latter fact?
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Michael Christ - 04 Nov 2009 11:04 GMT >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> > in >> > us. Verity wrote:
>> > My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; >> > but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus >> > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for >> > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Michael Christ wrote:
>> Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one >> does >> sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department >> declare >> that everyone has to be like them. :-). Andrew wrote:
> Why are you happy about the latter fact? Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow - 04 Nov 2009 14:54 GMT > > Why are you happy about the latter fact? > > Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord. > > Michael Christ A statement of disconnection if I ever heard one...
Michael Christ - 04 Nov 2009 20:28 GMT >> > Why are you happy about the latter fact? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A statement of disconnection if I ever heard one... Truth doesn't always accommodate opinion.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow - 05 Nov 2009 11:07 GMT > >> > Why are you happy about the latter fact? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > A statement of disconnection if I ever heard one... < Truth doesn't always accommodate opinion.
I find a lot of truth in that opinion:)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 05 Nov 2009 11:17 GMT Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > Mike McClean wrote: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord. Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain.
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Jimmy Alpha - 05 Nov 2009 14:27 GMT chuckie baby, with a phd said:
> Mike McClean wrote:
> Bottom line concerning you: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Amen. Why are you using the same lines on him as you use on *me!* Charlie, are you so unfaithful to *me*, Jimmy Alpha that you can't find new passages for Mic McClean? Jimmy "feeling soiled" Alpha
verity@gefinden.com - 05 Nov 2009 14:48 GMT Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so:
Of what kind?
How often?
Do you confess them?
Michael Christ - 05 Nov 2009 20:59 GMT Andrew Chung doesn't decide much at all really.
> Mike McClean wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> Andrew wrote: >> > Why are you happy about the latter fact? Michael Christ wrote:
>> Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord. Andrew wrote:
> Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain. You don't determine anyone's life but your own Andrew.
Try to let the Lord Jesus decide what is and what isn't in all the rest.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 05 Nov 2009 22:12 GMT Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > > > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of > > Jesus. > > Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew. Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
verity@gefinden.com - 06 Nov 2009 00:00 GMT Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so,
Of what kind?
How often?
Do you confess them?
Michael Christ - 06 Nov 2009 05:15 GMT Andrew Chung says:
> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you for you, Andy.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 06 Nov 2009 07:43 GMT Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > > > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of > > Jesus. > > Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew. Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Michael Christ - 06 Nov 2009 10:09 GMT Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: (snip obvious boldness)
How bold you are.
We obviously need to recognise you and give you praise, Andrew.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 06 Nov 2009 11:45 GMT Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > > > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of > > Jesus. > > Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew. Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
verity@gefinden.com - 06 Nov 2009 16:36 GMT Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so,
How often?
Of what kind?
Do you confess them?
MoSn - 06 Nov 2009 14:59 GMT > Andrew Chung says: >> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Michael Christ You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the one making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
Michael Christ - 06 Nov 2009 21:01 GMT >> Andrew Chung says: >>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Michael Christ
> You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up > quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger > ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the > one > making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the > folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
You don't have all the answers, all the vision, all the understanding, or all the knowledge for us.
If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in your glory.
You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly of a 'fool'.
Michael Christ
ThomM - 06 Nov 2009 21:06 GMT > >> Andrew Chung says: > >>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he > just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him. THere is NOTHING you can prove is a statement of the HOLEY GHOST - since you cannot prove the existence of it either.
One just must learn that this is HUMANS making it up for other humans - ie - a fraud.
> If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in > your glory. Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it - or continue on your own way to oblivion
WE who have already been saved - know better.
Michael Christ - 06 Nov 2009 21:38 GMT >Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it >- or continue on your own way to oblivion Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the matter, are you unhappy?
Its better to have some hope, however small, than to have none at all. That is my thought. It may not be yours, but hey.
But you see its your motives that betray you, for if you were truly sincere in your actions you would just live and let live, but you can't because in reality you fight God. And if you want proof of that, I promise you, one day you will have it and I promise you this also, you won't want it.
>WE who have already been saved - know better. You're saved are you? From what? From monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad nauseum and repetitious argument?
:-). You have no proof that there isn't a God! If that not be true, then provide the proof. That should be the end of the story, but not to you 'know better geniuses'.
Michael Christ
ThomM - 06 Nov 2009 22:05 GMT > >Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it > >- or continue on your own way to oblivion > > Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I > choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the > matter, are you unhappy? No problem Do you have a problem with me exposing YOU for the fraud you are?
> >WE who have already been saved - know better. > > You're saved are you? Yes - we are
YOU are the one who has to constantly LIE about your beliefs
WE don't
ThomM - 06 Nov 2009 22:18 GMT On Nov 6, 4:38 pm, "Michael Christ" >
> You have no proof that there isn't a God! That does not establish that there is one.
That only puts gods in the same class as the easter bunny - santa claus - leprechauns, and lots of other MYTHS and LEGENDS
The fraud of religion is that humans like you set the rules for others - and in doing so break those same rules.
You tell us not to be judgemental - when you tell us we are not going to be saved You tell us not to lie - when you LIE all the time about things you claim a god said that were never said by anyone but a human. You say we have no proof of no gods - when in fact - you have NO proof of them either. And then you say you have PROOF - and never present any of it - because you are again lying. You claim the bible to be the word of a god - but pick and choose among it for what you believe - and what you dismiss. Just look at the different people here in this group to see just how different their beliefs are. And then you EACH claim that your personal way is the only way to be saved - when in fact there is NOTHING to be saved from that you have established - and more important - by making up your own religion -you prove yours is HUMAN created. You define what you want your god to be - and what you want him not to be - often contradicting yourself in the effort. If there is ONLY ONE CREATOR - it created BOTH good and evil - for example.
And since YOU are the one defining your gods - you establish the definition as a human creation,.
If a god actually existed - it would have its own definition - established for ALL
You could not get complete agreement from just the thiests in this group alone - much less among the over 39,000 different sects of christianity who are linked only by the title of one of their gods.
Those of us who are already saved from this nonsense can easily see the FOLLY in what you say
Michael Christ - 07 Nov 2009 05:16 GMT Michael Christ wrote:
> You have no proof that there isn't a God!
>That does not establish that there is one. Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM
Whatsamatter, don't you like equality? You can't prove there isn't a God so you are a fraud.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 07 Nov 2009 11:24 GMT Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > > > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of > > Jesus. > > Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew. Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Heart Doctor and Author of "Trust the Truth:" http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Michael Christ - 07 Nov 2009 22:44 GMT Yes, I know you are magnificent Andrew.
Michael Christ
> Mike McClean wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de? Thommadura - 07 Nov 2009 12:15 GMT > Michael Christ wrote: >> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent > ad nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM Since you use the same OLD argument - you simply describe yourself as well.
> Whatsamatter, don't you like equality? You can't prove there isn't a > God so you are a fraud. I do not need to PROVE there is NO god
As an agnostic - we accept only was is PROVEN about gods - and NOTHING is - so MY position is based on TRUTH
Something you cannot truthfully say about yours - so when you claim you know anything about a god - you are the FRAUD
singin4free - 07 Nov 2009 17:30 GMT > > Michael Christ wrote: > >> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Something you cannot truthfully say about yours - so when you claim you > know anything about a god - you are the FRAUD What would you accept as proof?
Thommadura - 07 Nov 2009 17:45 GMT >>> Michael Christ wrote: >>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What would you accept as proof? The god
monkfish - 07 Nov 2009 18:42 GMT >>>> Michael Christ wrote: >>>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > The god Do you even know what God is?
 Signature monkfish
bob young - 08 Nov 2009 02:18 GMT > >>>> Michael Christ wrote: > >>>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Do you even know what God is? Yup - a myth created by simple early people
> -- > monkfish MU - 07 Nov 2009 17:46 GMT >>> Michael Christ wrote: >>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > What would you accept as proof? Ill answer that for Thommy.
A personal visit for Thommy Only with the heavens flashing, dozens of neato tricks like spinning Saturn backwards and God groveling and asking, "Is that good enough for you, gee, I sure want to get your acceptance, it is waaaaaaay so important to humanity and, of course, to my Infinite Being.
LOL
Thommadura - 07 Nov 2009 21:51 GMT >>>> Michael Christ wrote: >>>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LOL I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in fact - I do not care if I am there.
I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth in a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions (noting that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept that god - and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim see the god - and accept it.
If a god has all the powers that MU and claims - he should have no problem actually doing that one.
MU creates a bunch of nonsense - to support that lack of credibility on gods to begin with. And I note - no god has appeared and verified his nonsense either!!!!!!!
MU - 07 Nov 2009 22:15 GMT > I want Good luck with what *you* want you self-centered brat.
ThomM - 07 Nov 2009 23:40 GMT > > I want > > Good luck with what *you* want you self-centered brat. TYpical Theist
IF you actually had any proof - you would be shoving it down our throats all the time
But OBVIOUSLY you can't because you HAVE none.
So - you attack the question - or the questioner - typical theist nonsense
ANd all it is - -is an admission that you have no real answers to supply
It must suck to be YOU!
dolf - 08 Nov 2009 00:07 GMT the only theist proof the bible provides is a cosmological one made in relation to the sabbath.
That has been provided to you many times before, so there is no integrity in your comment below.
My argument will stand for at least the next 293 years as the solar/lunar cycles are in sync with the Gregorian calendar.
>>> I want >> Good luck with what *you* want you self-centered brat. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It must suck to be YOU! A variation of the 22/7 {= 3.1428571...} equation as rational PI computation and the 364 day cycle from the DATE(1996,3,20) + (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) gives the Equinox of Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) as commencing the Sabbath year and the reprise associated to the following schema as a transcendent negation of the Gregorian cycle of 400 years as the basis for replacement theology, which is as 146097 days evenly divisible by seven:
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE #400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80] #800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30] #1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7] #1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2] #2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100] #2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50] #2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9] #3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4] #3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300] #4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS autonomic transformative prototype and symbolic associator to series #15, #34, #65, #111, #175, #260, #369 ... #2000 Y2K
Paul, an Apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead) [Galatians 1:1]--a former prosecutor, persecutor and murderer of Judaeo-Christians in 60-62 CE says: "...the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among who also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, THAT IN THE AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus." [Ephesians 2:2-6]
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE #4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE #5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE #5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE #6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20) / @ (21 March = 1 Nisan) + (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle has #369 with Septet #41 centric on 13-17 September 2001 / @ 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie. 20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September 2001 as] the 1st day of the [21st priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month." [4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1} + #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1, 1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/toth9.gif
Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D or 6,000 topical years) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2]
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man (image of male and female)--and birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things." [Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Romans 1:20]
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8] #6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3] #7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200] #7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60] #8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10] #8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5] #8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
The "Angel of the presence, who went before the camp of Israel" which is here described in the Book of Jubilees by association to an understanding of the 10 Commandments and chronology is further related to a circular reality as technology and the most sacred Names of God derived from 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] which each contain 72 letters: "And the angel of the presence, who went before the camp of Israel [Exodus 14:19], took the TABLETS OF THE DIVISION OF YEARS FROM THE TIME OF CREATION OF THE LAW AND TESTIMONY ACCORDING TO THEIR WEEKS (OF YEARS), ACCORDING TO THE JUBILEES, year by year throughout the full number of Jubilees, from the DAY OF CREATION UNTIL THE DAY OF THE NEW CREATION WHEN THE HEAVEN AND EARTH AND ALL OF THEIR CREATURES SHALL BE RENEWED ACCORDING TO THE POWERS OF HEAVEN AND ACCORDING TO THE WHOLE NATURE OF EARTH, until the sanctuary of the LORD is created in Jerusalem upon Mount Zion.
And all of the lights will be renewed for healing and peace and blessing for all of the elect of Israel and in order that it might be thus from that day and unto all the days of the earth." [Book of Jubilees 1:29]
These 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] describe the miraculous parting of the Red Sea before the people of Israel as they fled the bondage of Pharaoh's Egypt.
First, the 72 Names are a technology for asserting the power of the human consciousness over physicality. That is, the power of mind over matter, which Kabbalah has always understood and which science is just now beginning to grasp. However, the Names themselves depend on your individual consciousness, and on your commitment to what the kabbalists call proactive behaviour.
What is proactive behaviour? First and foremost, it is a stepping back from reactive impulses, for there is no way we can have consciousness of God--to say nothing of God's consciousness--unless we step back. Without this proactive behaviour, even this most powerful of all technologies cannot possibly work for us. Whenever it seems that misfortune has suddenly been thrust upon you, step back. This does not mean acceptance of the circumstances--if someone slaps you in the face, you might indeed hit them back--but it does mean a level of consciousness above mere reactivity. The technology of 72 Names can and will work for you, but not without proactive behaviour.
My second point is related to the problems caused by reactive impulses, specifically difficulties related to ego. In the biblical text that is the foundation of the 72 Names, ego is personified by the Pharaoh of Egypt. As the ego-driven impulses in our own lives draw away from growth and transformation, Pharaoh gives the Israelites their freedom, but then changes his mind and sends his army after them and ultimately into the waters of the Red Sea. Ego will always play this game, particularly if we make an effort to be proactive. Once again, step back from this impulse. Be aware that your normal state of being in the physical world is reactive consciousness. We are always being called upon to play ego's game. With the ego it is always a lose-lose situation. It we are concerned with winning, that's ego. If we are concerned with losing, that's ego too. Using the 72 Names helps us to move beyond the ego's game.
When you commit yourself to proactive behaviour and to the renunciation of ego games, the technology of the 72 Names is truly within your grasp. Very simply put, this is the power of mind over matter. This is the ability to eliminate every kind of chaos, whether in the form of intangible fears and negative emotions, or the all-too-tangible challenges of cancer and other serious illnesses. Consciousness is the power that underlies every action and event in the material world. Whether it is the simple act of raising your arm or the spontaneous healing of life-threatening disease the process begins in consciousness. The 72 Names of God are the bridge between this power of consciousness and its manifestation in the physical realm." [(c) 2003 Kabbalist Rav Yehuda Berg, 'The 72 Names of God -- Technology for the Soul (tm)', p xiii]
The point within the circle occurs when radius = 1 and in the Jubilee year 49J7W, where the circumference = 22/7 commences as #0 (ternary number) with the new Moon on Wednesday 20 March Equinox and on every 364 x 294 or 365.2425 x 293 days thereafter. The last of 1996 CE as grafting into the 6D cycle and the determination of an Infinity Loop made in relation to a rational cosmological understanding intrinsic to God having given Moses two tablets of stone written with the finger of God. The point within the circle also plays a role in German Philosopher Heidegger's (1889–1976) cogito as the starting point of philosophy and the pervasiveness of the hermeneutic circle and Aboriginal protests against the mistreatment of Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany made to the German consol general in Melbourne on 15 December 1938.
That aboriginal art conception of vast distance, their land and cosmology demonstrates, if one considers the designation of the year into seven portions:
ONE: 1, 2, 3 TWO: 0, 3, 6 THREE: 0, 9, 18 FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number (Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206 BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20] FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9) SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25 March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and substantiation of Christian identity.
A preservation of a rational natural and common law mind by nomadic peoples--And that the usage of the latin term Terra Nullus cannot then be used and understood as claimed in 1770 by Captain James Cook as meaning that Terra Australis was "land belonging to no one" or unoccupied land which was subsequent by Letters Patent of 1900 (since revoked by new Letters Patent of 21 August 1984) as Terra Formus into the Commonwealth of Australia."
Fred Thomas - 08 Nov 2009 12:23 GMT > the only theist proof the bible provides is a cosmological one made in > relation to the sabbath. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My argument will stand for at least the next 293 years as the solar/lunar > cycles are in sync with the Gregorian calendar. The twilight zone exists!
bob young - 08 Nov 2009 02:20 GMT > > I want > > Good luck with what *you* want you self-centered brat. Ooooh dear . . . . your knickers are in a twist again I see,
simply because you can't prove your silly juvenile myths !
Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit. Member of S.M.A.S.H. (Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)
Man creates his gods in his own image, then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind, an escape from life's realities and hardships, sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 07 Nov 2009 22:19 GMT Bottom line concerning your false need for proof of GOD to believe in Him:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1 Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
http://T3WiJ.com
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?" (WDJW):
http://WDJW.net
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke 24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
http://JiL4ever.net
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com "Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ... ... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
singin4free - 08 Nov 2009 01:19 GMT > I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in > fact - I do not care if I am there. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim > see the god - and accept it. Very good. I think perhaps you may get your proof. You see, you have just described the second coming.
bob young - 08 Nov 2009 03:15 GMT > > I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in > > fact - I do not care if I am there. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Very good. I think perhaps you may get your proof. You see, you have > just described the second coming. Oh dear, if it wasn't so pathetically sad it might be funny !
ThomM - 07 Nov 2009 21:55 GMT > >>> Michael Christ wrote: > >>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > LOL It takes a real Juvenile to post such nonsense - proving what you based on what you say (ROFL)
I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in fact - I do not care if I am there.
I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth in a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions (noting that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept that god - and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim see the god - and accept it.
If a god has all the powers that MU and claims - he should have no problem actually doing that one. Of course - that leaves open for the possibility that 28 million gods might show up for a brawl too!
MU creates a bunch of nonsense - to support that lack of credibility on gods to begin with. And I note - no god has appeared and verified his nonsense either!!!!!!!
Michael Christ - 07 Nov 2009 22:49 GMT You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy.
Therefore all you have is...
"Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM."
Yawn.
Michael Christ
On Nov 7, 12:46 pm, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:30:44 -0800 (PST), singin4free wrote: > > On Nov 7, 7:15 am, Thommadura <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > LOL It takes a real Juvenile to post such nonsense - proving what you based on what you say (ROFL)
I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in fact - I do not care if I am there.
I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth in a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions (noting that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept that god - and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim see the god - and accept it.
If a god has all the powers that MU and claims - he should have no problem actually doing that one. Of course - that leaves open for the possibility that 28 million gods might show up for a brawl too!
MU creates a bunch of nonsense - to support that lack of credibility on gods to begin with. And I note - no god has appeared and verified his nonsense either!!!!!!!
ThomM - 07 Nov 2009 23:43 GMT > You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy. > > Therefore all you have is... The same thing YOU have -
No proof that gods exist - and KNOWING absolutely NOTHING about them at all
So - whatever YOU say is false.
At least agnostics - who only accepts what is PROVEN truth - will ALWAYS have TRUTH on our side.
YOu will NEVER have any
Michael Christ - 08 Nov 2009 04:45 GMT On Nov 7, 5:49 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
> You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy. > > Therefore all you have is... The same thing YOU have -
No proof that gods exist - and KNOWING absolutely NOTHING about them at all
So - whatever YOU say is false.
At least agnostics - who only accepts what is PROVEN truth - will ALWAYS have TRUTH on our side.
YOu will NEVER have any +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All you have is a negative, a nothing, and you call that truth.
:-))))))))). Until you prove there is no God you are merely a 'vanity puffing hot air atheist' who claims he is an agnostic.
Michael Christ
MU - 08 Nov 2009 19:51 GMT > YOu There's proof God exists right there, Thommy, He won't allow you the money for a new keyboard.
Fred Thomas - 08 Nov 2009 19:55 GMT >> YOu > > There's proof God exists right there, Thommy, He won't allow you the > money for a new keyboard. Kind of subjective, how do you know that it is god that will not allow a new keyboard? Any evidence of your claim?
Thommadura - 08 Nov 2009 20:18 GMT >>> YOu >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kind of subjective, how do you know that it is god that will not allow a > new keyboard? Any evidence of your claim? SInce all he did was snip my sentence - it is just another NOBLE act of a theist - Lying for his beliefs.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Nov 2009 02:09 GMT Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1 Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
http://T3WiJ.com
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?" (WDJW):
http://WDJW.net
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke 24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
http://JiL4ever.net
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist and Author of "Be Hungry" http://NetCabal.com "Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ... ... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
ThomM - 08 Nov 2009 20:11 GMT > > YOu > > There's proof God exists right there, Thommy, He won't allow you the > money for a new keyboard. It is only proof that you snipped a sentence I posted - and then LIED about it. You have done that one before - however my complete sentence remains available in the archive of the group as proof - so keep proving yourself to be worthless - I won't stop you!
Thommadura - 08 Nov 2009 13:48 GMT > You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy. > > Therefore all you have is... Sorry - Michael - that is YOUR problem - I do not claim gods exist or do things
YOu cannot prove that gods actually exist
That means you cannot prove anything you say about them
Fred Thomas - 08 Nov 2009 19:58 GMT >>>> Michael Christ wrote: >>>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > LOL And why not require a personal visit form this supposed god? This story book Christians call the bible has this god they worship doing all kinds of "wonderful" things to show how powerful this god is. What is god now tired and can not make a appearance now? Maybe god is in drug rehab and can not make a appearance.
Michael Christ - 07 Nov 2009 22:46 GMT You have no proof that there isn't a God.
Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and fraudulent.
Michael Christ
>> Michael Christ wrote: >>> You have no proof that there isn't a God! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Something you cannot truthfully say about yours - so when you claim you > know anything about a god - you are the FRAUD ThomM - 07 Nov 2009 23:42 GMT > You have no proof that there isn't a God. > > Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and > fraudulent. And YOU have no proof there is a god - nor has any god provided any such proof as well
ANd that means that everything YOU claim a god has said is FALSE and you are a fraud
Congratulations!
Michael Christ - 08 Nov 2009 04:43 GMT Round and round you go to nowhere.
Otherwise, prove there is no God and you will have won me to live with you in your purposelessness.
That's fair.
Michael Christ
On Nov 7, 5:46 pm, "Michael Christ" <JesusisL...@Father.com> wrote:
> You have no proof that there isn't a God. > > Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and > fraudulent. And YOU have no proof there is a god - nor has any god provided any such proof as well
ANd that means that everything YOU claim a god has said is FALSE and you are a fraud
Congratulations!
bob young - 08 Nov 2009 02:26 GMT > You have no proof that there isn't a God. > > Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and > fraudulent. Eeeerrm which 'god' do you want us to prove does no exist? :
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." [Stephen Roberts]
Loking silly yet again Michael - you must be getting used to it by now !
ThomM - 06 Nov 2009 22:03 GMT > >> Andrew Chung says: > >>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly > of a 'fool'. Indeed - those who believe something - -but offer no PROOF of what they say - are just fools
At least YOU admit you are one -
ThomM - 05 Nov 2009 22:56 GMT > Andrew Chung doesn't decide much at all really. > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Try to let the Lord Jesus decide what is and what isn't in all the rest. Indeed - let JC appear and decide
DOn't lsiten to michael - even he now admits he is not worth listening to
verity@gefinden.com - 04 Nov 2009 13:52 GMT Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so, how often?
And of what nature?
Dr. Chung, do you confess your sins?
Thommadura - 04 Nov 2009 17:09 GMT > Dr. Chung, do you sin? No one sins - because that would require a god to exist ANd to date - no god has managed to prove that.
Jimmy Alpha - 04 Nov 2009 13:58 GMT sightwalker with a phd obfuscated:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven. How does Jimmy Alpha, or his sins relate in this discourse? I'll light a candle for you charlie... Jimmy "playing with matches" Alpha
bob young - 08 Nov 2009 02:16 GMT > > Dr. Chung do you sin? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Sin has always has been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to bolster membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a universal distaste for it - even a thief becomes highly agitated if someone breaks into his home and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let alone write. Eons later sin was hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated by the clergy with more force and enthusiasm than any other piece of religious dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on defer from manipulating sin as a propagating tool - they will never be free from committing sin themselves.
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