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(optional) - 25 May 2009 13:53 GMT
Hello,

Call for information from those more knowledgeable, please..

A few times a year, my wife experiences a "cardiac" event. The first
time, about Nov 2007, she woke me at 4:00 AM sure she was having a
heart attack or stroke.  I checked her pulse and it was racing. Within
a few minutes, I had checked her BP/pulse and all was normal. Also, an
emergency rescue team arrived quickly and used an EKG, they said all
was normal.

A few days later, her primary care physician sent her to the main
hospital to have an EKG and a sonogram, I believe with dye.  Nothing
abnormal was found.

The doctor diagnosed "Supra ventricular Fibrillation." He said they
were uncomfortable, but if they went away within a few minutes, they
are harmless. He suggested massaging both sides of her neck, about the
carotid arteries.  This worked fine the second attack a couple months
later.

She's had a couple more attacks since, and wants to gather other
people's opinions.  Causes? Treatments? Future outlook/prognosis?

Thanks in advance
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 May 2009 15:30 GMT
neighbor wrote:

> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> The doctor diagnosed "Supra ventricular Fibrillation."

More likely the diagnosis was supraventricular tachycardia (SVT).

> He said they
> were uncomfortable, but if they went away within a few minutes, they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> She's had a couple more attacks since, and wants to gather other
> people's opinions.  Causes? Treatments? Future outlook/prognosis?

Would suggest you have your wife ask her doctor for a consultation
with a cardiologist for specific answers to her questions.

> Thanks in advance

Laus Deo :-)

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Great Sage Itchy - 26 May 2009 00:18 GMT
In article
<2343d431-f3ed-48fa-b266-012aa623c041@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,

> neighbor wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> > The doctor diagnosed "Supra ventricular Fibrillation."

This sounds serious to me. Tingleing feeling in toes and fingers is a
sign of weak blood circulation to the extremities. Heart racing is
usually indicative of oxygen not reaching the brain or vital organs in
sufficient quantities.
The first place to look is for external agents. Is there a possibility
that carbon monoxide is getting into the room air from a bad heating
system or fireplace? Some people are much more sensitive to this than
others, so you may not have noticed anything.

If the problem is NOT external, and persists, contact me here. I will
ask you to upload a recent picture (headshot) of your wife.
Marcus Aurelius - 26 May 2009 01:39 GMT
She may have reactive hypoglycemia. Blood sugar is usually at or near
it's low for the day at about 4 A.M..
Tachycardia,palpitations, cold sweats, tingling, anxiety, nervousness,
and thirst are symptoms of the same.
A good history and physical along with appropriate blood sugar testing
might resolve this problem. On the other hand, it may not.
It is imperative, however, for her to be given some sugary substance
like orange juice the next time this occurs (and/ or have her blood
sugar tested immediately). Otherwise, she may go into hypoglycemic
shock.
I am an R.N..
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 May 2009 02:08 GMT
> She may have reactive hypoglycemia. Blood sugar is usually at or near
> it's low for the day at about 4 A.M..
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sugar tested immediately). Otherwise, she may go into hypoglycemic
> shock.

The symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia would not have responded with
the carotid massage as was reported in this case.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Don Kirkman - 25 May 2009 19:32 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that (optional) wrote in article
<n45l15lthvk44m83pg2gagflmncrn5lj5b@4ax.com>:

>Call for information from those more knowledgeable, please..

>A few times a year, my wife experiences a "cardiac" event. The first
>time, about Nov 2007, she woke me at 4:00 AM sure she was having a
>heart attack or stroke.  I checked her pulse and it was racing. Within
>a few minutes, I had checked her BP/pulse and all was normal. Also, an
>emergency rescue team arrived quickly and used an EKG, they said all
>was normal.

>A few days later, her primary care physician sent her to the main
>hospital to have an EKG and a sonogram, I believe with dye.  Nothing
>abnormal was found.

>The doctor diagnosed "Supra ventricular Fibrillation." He said they
>were uncomfortable, but if they went away within a few minutes, they
>are harmless. He suggested massaging both sides of her neck, about the
>carotid arteries.  This worked fine the second attack a couple months
>later.

>She's had a couple more attacks since, and wants to gather other
>people's opinions.  Causes? Treatments? Future outlook/prognosis?

Your need for reliable information and your wife's best chance for
proper diagnosis and treatment should come from a cardiac specialist,
not from a newsgroup where anyone can offer any wild idea which you
will have no way to verify.  Unless the doctor who has seen her is a
cardiologist his opinion is meaningful but not definitive.  Please get
her checked thoroughly.
Signature

Don Kirkman
donsno2@charter.net

Atheno - 25 May 2009 20:06 GMT
> Your need for reliable information and your wife's best chance for
> proper diagnosis and treatment should come from a cardiac specialist,
> not from a newsgroup where anyone can offer any wild idea which you
> will have no way to verify.  Unless the doctor who has seen her is a
> cardiologist his opinion is meaningful but not definitive.  Please get
> her checked thoroughly.

For a definitive second opinion best to see a specialist in that area.  
Remember a doctor relies on a complete history, a complete physical
examination and having access to all tests and studies done.  There is not
way to do that unless in person.  Tele-medicine or internet-medicine is not a
substitute for that.
(optional) - 25 May 2009 21:35 GMT
>Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Thanks in advance

Thank you all for your advice.  Three months ago, we moved to a much
bigger city with access to much better medical services than what
provided the earlier Dx.

Also, I understand the problems with getting medical advice from the
'Net.  

However, there may be some good advice.  For example, if all replies
indicated "textbook harmless panic attacks" or some such event, then
I'd be likely to assume it's correct.  Especially in light of her
PCP's Dx and her cardiac ultrasound that was reviewed by a specialist.

But I've gotten five responses, all indicate getting a thorough
examination by a cardiologist.

This is the advice I think we should follow.

Thank you again.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 May 2009 21:54 GMT
neighbor wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> But I've gotten five responses, all indicate getting a thorough
> examination by a cardiologist.

Four of the five responders knew they would be absolutely and
obviously wrong to go against that which is coming from this bona fide
board-certified cardiologist no matter how much they oppose this
cardiologist's GOD :-)

> This is the advice I think we should follow.

It remains wise to trust that which the Holy Spirit guides this
cardiologist to write especially on sci.med.cardiology :-)

> Thank you again.

Laus Deo :-)

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Ethereal Engineer - 26 May 2009 23:09 GMT
Andrew Chung:

Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)

Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)

Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days

Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals

Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website

Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)

Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.

Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.

Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe

Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.

Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.

Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.

Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".

Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.

Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 May 2009 00:31 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b32c5d6a93cd0ed2?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?

Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?

Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What is the name of Jesus' church where Peter serves as its rock?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42a30476ef3925ec?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
St. Jackanapes - 27 May 2009 03:23 GMT
[This followup was posted to sci.med.cardiology and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In sci.med.cardiology, Andrew B. Chung, notorious liar, sock-puppet &
sock-puppeteer posted this link to a libelous post...

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b32c5d6a93cd0ed2 

This is to Chung the Unholy Liar - I've got news for you - That was not
my post. I *only* ever post as St. Jackanapes - if I do use another name
for humor reasons, my signature is in that post. I do not use sock-
puppets as you do when Satan overtakes you. Yes, Andy, the use of sock
puppets is deceptive, indicative of satanic thought & a tendency to
obfuscate the Truth. Someone needs to exorcise you of your demonic
infestations that you have wallowed in these past 10 years. You Sir are
a true sock-puppet of Beelzebub and out from your mouth & fingertips
flows his feces-laden lies. One wonders how you can breathe with such a
horrendous stench continually oozing from your body...

Do you want me to be adding you to the cyberstalking & libel lawsuit for
because you've reposted those pedophile lies that the deceased
Loiodice's survivors have posted? You will join them when they get hit
with a lawsuit after the cops are done with them - Tsk-tsk, Andy, don't
you know that it's cyberstalking to post someone's name & address while
at the same time posting outright lies - lies like calling me a
pedophile who stalks children in my hometown. Not very Christian
behavior, is it Chung? What would Jesus - and the Holy Ghost - think of
you casting lies in the name of Christ?

Once again, if I find you REPOSTING that link you will join them. And
also, I am *NOT* posting as the "Etherial Engineer" nor as anyone else.
I've got enough balls to say what I want to say under my own nym: St.
Jackanapes - sorry that the same cannot be said of you, Andy. I want
people to know what I have to say, and I'm not embarrassed about it.

UNLIKE YOURSELF

PS: I've been receiving a large amount of requests to add to my Dr.
Chung parody website. I wasn't going to since it was really sort of off-
topic, and I had planned on scrubbing it. But thanks to your
cyberstalking pal Loiodice's threats, I've junked my website and made my
Chung parody the focus. Check it out from the link below! And I've
decided that since your butt-buddy is harassing me off-line & on-line (a
crime) I've decided to reward my fans by enlarging upon the Chung
Parody. You see, you are a public persona and up for parody. Enjoy!

Or you could simply email me and discuss some issues - my real email is
in my post.

St. Jackanapes
Chung Parody Site: http://www.jackanapes.ws
Jesus Forum: http://www.voy.com/20630/
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 May 2009 09:33 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/030ecaaef08438d0?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?

Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?

Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
St. Jackanapes - 29 May 2009 09:33 GMT
In sci.med.cardiology, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote...

> I'm too big a sissy to respond to a real man like Tom
> Chatterton. Everytime I see a St. Jackanapes post in
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Thank you, Andrew <><

HA! I've heard it all know, Chung! I don't care how many people
you bribe - You'll never stop me!

PS: Jesus was Black - see for yourself:

http://www.jackanapes.ws/jesus/jesus-was-black.jpg

Signature

St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
http://www.voy.com/20630/

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 May 2009 11:15 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b32c5d6a93cd0ed2?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?

Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?

Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
 
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