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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / February 2009A Spirit-guided T3WiJ thought about Spiritus Sancti ...
... proper names in Latin can be left in the seemingly "nominative case" form after the preposition "cum" where some may argue that changing the proper name to an "ablative case" form is more correct. This in reference to writing: Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti. Love in the truth, Andrew <>< -- Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! ! http://JiL4ever.net It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <tvr4q4t2gg7n6mutg1btc5m7s9gp0iltkp@4ax.com>: >... proper names in Latin can be left in the seemingly "nominative >case" form after the preposition "cum" where some may argue that >changing the proper name to an "ablative case" form is more correct. >This in reference to writing: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Andrew <><  SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <tvr4q4t2gg7n6mutg1btc5m7s9gp0iltkp@4ax.com>: >... proper names in Latin can be left in the seemingly "nominative >case" form after the preposition "cum" where some may argue that >changing the proper name to an "ablative case" form is more correct. Reference? In some declensions the nominative and the ablative have the same form, but that doesn't mean they are interchangeable. [Begin] Latin Grammar (Scanlon & Scanlon) Study Guide Ablative prepositional phrases are used with these prepositions: cum - with Cum puella ambulo (I walk with the girl) Cum puellis ambulo (I walk with the girls) N.B. - Cum is only used with nouns or pronouns indicating people [End] http://tinyurl.com/cldwom [Begin] Allen and Greenough's New Latin Grammar 50. The manner of an action is denoted by the Ablative, usually with cum unless a limiting adjective is used with the noun . . . . 51. Accompaniment is denoted by the Ablative, regularly with cum. . . . [End] http://www.hhhh.org/perseant/libellus/aides/allgre/allgre.594.html >This in reference to writing: >Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti. I assume you meant "Sola Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti." We had part of this discussion a couple of years ago. And here again, you distort what that means: "Only Scripture, with the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Holiness." You no longer use Scripture as the basis of your interpretations but attribute everything only to the Holy Spirit in spite of the fact that the written texts mean something different. This is unBiblical, but also a common source of error, depending on subjective feelings and intuitions instead of objective sources and evidence--exactly as you have done in rejecting scientific methods in your medical views. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Reference? In some declensions the nominative and the ablative have > the same form, but that doesn't mean they are interchangeable. Did not write that they were interchangeable. Instead, simply wrote that proper names can remain in their seemingly "nominative case" in a prepositional phrase after the preposition "cum" even if a seemingly "ablative case" is also possible. > [Begin] > Latin Grammar (Scanlon & Scanlon) Study Guide [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > [End] > http://www.hhhh.org/perseant/libellus/aides/allgre/allgre.594.html See above. > >This in reference to writing: > > >Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti. > > I assume you meant "Sola Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti." We had part > of this discussion a couple of years ago. No. Here the Solus refers to "Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti" and not just to Scriptura. > And here again, you distort what that means: "Only Scripture, with > the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Holiness." What this eseentially means is "Only the living Word of GOD." This would be equivalent to: Solus Christus. "Only Christ." Christ is afterall the living Word of GOD. > You no longer use Scripture as the basis of your interpretations but > attribute everything only to the Holy Spirit Incorrect. It remains my personal choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. May GOD soften your heart so that you come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus: http://T3WIJ.com Love in Jesus, Andrew <>< -- Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! ! http://JiL4ever.net It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <o3u5q4h2ouqat0k8jiu7l6vqv3lfts9t88@4ax.com>: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> >... proper names in Latin can be left in their seemingly "nominative >> >case" form after the preposition "cum" where some may argue that >> >changing the proper name to an "ablative case" form is more correct. >> Reference? In some declensions the nominative and the ablative have >> the same form, but that doesn't mean they are interchangeable. >Did not write that they were interchangeable. >Instead, simply wrote that proper names can remain in their seemingly >"nominative case" in a prepositional phrase after the preposition >"cum" even if a seemingly "ablative case" is also possible. Which is exactly what I said you were implying. I posted cites from two grammars showing that your statement is false. >> [Begin] >> Latin Grammar (Scanlon & Scanlon) Study Guide >> Ablative prepositional phrases are used with these prepositions: >> cum - with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> [End] >> http://tinyurl.com/cldwom >> [Begin] >> Allen and Greenough's New Latin Grammar >> 50. The manner of an action is denoted by the Ablative, usually with >> cum unless a limiting adjective is used with the noun . . . . >> 51. Accompaniment is denoted by the Ablative, regularly with cum. . . >> . >> [End] >> http://www.hhhh.org/perseant/libellus/aides/allgre/allgre.594.html >See above. Your argument is with the four Latin grammarians whose work I cited. >> >This in reference to writing: >> >Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti. >> I assume you meant "Sola Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti." We had part >> of this discussion a couple of years ago. >No. So you don't know Latin grammar. You could look it up--tons of Google sites show that "sola" is the adjective form that agrees in gender and case with "scriptura." >Here the Solus refers to "Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti" and not just >to Scriptura. Ungrammatical--that is like claiming that " Old man John with a cold" is different grammatically from "Old man John," and that it requires a different adjective like "Old woman John." >> And here again, you distort what that means: "Only Scripture, with >> the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Holiness." >What this eseentially means is "Only the living Word of GOD." No, it essentially means "the Written Word," from the Latin word for writing. >This would be equivalent to: >Solus Christus. No, because "solus" does agree grammatically with "christus," but "solus" does not agree with "scriptura." >"Only Christ." >Christ is afterall the living Word of GOD. No, that's comparing a metaphorical description of Jesus (and a badly misinterpreted one) with a written document. >> You no longer use Scripture as the basis of your interpretations but >> attribute everything only to the Holy Spirit >Incorrect. Obviously correct--your every allusion to Scripture betrays your misuse of the written texts, such as your "casting of lots" fixation. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Which is exactly what I said you were implying. Usenet remains text-based where much is written and posted instead of being said. > I posted cites from two grammars showing that your statement is false. The discerning have seen only that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self) into falsehood. May GOD soften your heart so that you come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus: http://T3WIJ.com Amen. Love in the truth, Andrew <>< -- Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! ! http://JiL4ever.net |
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