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Consumption Controls Coronary Cardiovascular Calcification

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ironjustice - 23 Feb 2009 03:43 GMT
"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

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J666 - 24 Feb 2009 01:20 GMT
> "Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
> atherosclerotic plaque."
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Full Abstract

After all this time see nothing much has changed with ironjustice's ability
to copy and paste articles rather than using his own words, briefly to
discuss the essentials of the article with a url for those wishing to read
the article.  Of course, that takes some real understanding of what the
article says and an ability to put it into a brief summary whereas copying
and pasting takes no talent and is simple menial work.
ironjustice - 24 Feb 2009 04:06 GMT
is simple menial work. <<

YOU do your OWN menial .. work ..

ME .. I place the article ..

If you don't understand it .. AND are **unable** to DO the "menial
work" .. ?

That would be **understand the article** / read to comprehend ..

Just you let me .. know .. if you cannot **understand the article**
orrr ..  read to comprehend ..

I will .. explain it to ya ..

Ok .. ?

This says .. "ALA is good for you" ..

Do you understand that is what it says .. ?
----------------------------------------------

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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 24 Feb 2009 05:07 GMT
> Just you let me .. know .. if you cannot **understand the article**
> orrr ..  read to comprehend ..
>
> I will .. explain it to ya ..

Oh I do.  You are the one who is only able to copy and paste.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and you are consistent
in copying and pasting
ironjustice - 24 Feb 2009 07:04 GMT
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and you are
consistent
in copying and pasting <<

I don't think you really accomplished or contributed anything to this
thread at all ..

THAT is consistent with .. you ..

You have NEVER contributed .. never .. accomplished .. never .. did ..
fkall but ..
attack .. Chung ..

NOW that is some 'claim to fame' there .. pal ..

Heh .. heh ..

Now see the thread .. ?

**MY** thread .. and like you've been told before .. ?

Stay the FK .. off .. MY .. threads ..

Do you understand that .. ?

Let me dumb it down some more for ya .. since you can't seem to
comprehend ..

Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 24 Feb 2009 12:24 GMT
>  A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and you are
> consistent
> in copying and pasting <<
>
> I don't think you really accomplished or contributed anything to this
> thread at all ..

If copying and pasting is what you consider contributing, then you are still
at the first grade level

> **MY** thread .. and like you've been told before .. ?
>
> Stay the FK .. off .. MY .. threads ..

Start on your blog and that way no one will be able to criticize your first
grade skills

> Do you understand that .. ?
>
> Let me dumb it down some more for ya .. since you can't seem to
> comprehend ..

For someone who can only copy and paste,  you seem not to comprehend.

> Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

Gee.  Finally something not copied and pasted.  Obviously everyone can see
the level of original comments.
ironjustice - 24 Feb 2009 23:48 GMT
On Feb 24, 4:24 am, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote: snip <<

You got something really wrong with your head ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 01:02 GMT
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:48:54 -0600, ironjustice AKA fechung copied and pasted
as usual

(in article
<2580db3d-bdf9-4843-8aa0-43ae05e79d04@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>):

> On Feb 24, 4:24 am, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote: snip <<
>
> You got something really wrong with your head ..

You got something really wrong with your head ..

> You can't seem to comprehend ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

Copying and pasting is easy and takes no real ability or skill and so see why
that is all you do

> Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

The above says far more about you than anything else.  Does that make you
feel big and important.

I at least have some standards, so I will not copy and paste that.

We should call you ironchung, or even better fechung as both of you show
little originality or initiative
ironjustice - 25 Feb 2009 01:22 GMT
On Feb 24, 5:02 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote: snip <<

You seriously think I read your sht .. ?

You can't seem to comprehend ..

Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 03:30 GMT
> You seriously think I read your sht .. ?

You seriously think I read your copy and paste

> You can't seem to comprehend ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

> Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

When one does not have a good argument or anything worthwhile to write, they
always seem to resort to attacks and swearing ........ you can't seem to
comprehend that.
ironjustice - 25 Feb 2009 03:35 GMT
On Feb 24, 7:30 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote:snip <<

You MUST seriously think I read your sht ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

Stay OFF **my** threads ..

DOOO .. it ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 04:45 GMT
> You can't seem to comprehend ..
>
> Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

fechung repeats again ..... funny that you that think that has any effect on
any adult

> Stay OFF **my** threads ..

You can't seem to comprehend  that these threads do not belong to you.  
Start a blog and all your fans will flock to it.

You do know there is one way to keep people off these threads ......  are you
thinking ..... I know it is hard for you, but keep thinking ....... just do
not post anything ..... now that was not hard even for you.  But, doubt that
you can comprehend that.
ironjustice - 25 Feb 2009 05:01 GMT
On Feb 24, 8:45 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote:snip <<

Stay OFF **my** threads ..

DOOO .. it ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

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> You seriously think I read your sht .. ?

You seriously think I read your copy and paste

> You can't seem to comprehend ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

> Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

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On Feb 24, 7:30 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote:snip <<

You MUST seriously think I read your sht ..

You can't seem to comprehend ..

Fk .. off .. jrkff ..

Stay OFF **my** threads ..

DOOO .. it ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 05:55 GMT
> Stay OFF **my** threads ..
>
> DOOO .. it ..

They are not your threads ....  this an usenet group,  not your blog .... you
really do not comprehend that ....  really a very simple concept.
ironjustice - 25 Feb 2009 09:11 GMT
On Feb 24, 9:55 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote:snip <<

Stay OFF **my** threads ..

DOOO .. it ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 14:52 GMT
> Stay OFF **my** threads ..
>
> DOOO .. it ..

Fechung ..... you really do not get it.  These are not your threads.  You
should be happy that someone is at least acknowledging that you exist rather
than just ignoring you.   I wonder if you do not start a blog is that you
know no one would read what you copy and paste.
ironjustice - 25 Feb 2009 22:46 GMT
You shteaters are congregating again ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 23:11 GMT
> Dietary linolenic acid

Can you get what you need from eating linoleum floor tiles?

Since they are glued down using a paste, it goes along with your great
ability to copy and paste.
Ken - 25 Feb 2009 23:44 GMT
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:46:15 -0600, ironjustice wrote
> (in article
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Since they are glued down using a paste, it goes along with your great
> ability to copy and paste.

By now, you''ve surely come to the same conclusion of others, that
Tommy Troll is a mentally unstable Canadian BSing nut sack who isn't
able to comprehend even 10% of the crap he CCP's
ironjustice - 26 Feb 2009 00:07 GMT
You shteaters are congregating again ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
J666 - 26 Feb 2009 03:55 GMT
> You shteaters are congregating again ..
>
> "Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
> atherosclerotic plaque."
>  "4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
> returned to normal"

Wow.  Now you are just responding to your copy and paste without adding
anything new.
ironjustice - 26 Feb 2009 05:18 GMT
You shteaters are congregating again ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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Ken - 26 Feb 2009 17:01 GMT
FOAD TROLL
ironjustice - 27 Feb 2009 00:54 GMT
On Feb 26, 9:01 am, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote: snip <<

You shteaters were told to congregate somewhere else ..

You shteaters are supposed to be over in alt.shteaters ..

Take it to alt.kook.shteaters ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Ken - 27 Feb 2009 17:38 GMT
FOAD
ironjustice - 27 Feb 2009 23:36 GMT
On Feb 27, 9:38 am, Ken <flakey...@earthlink.net> wrote:snip <<

You shteaters were told to congregate somewhere else ..

You shteaters are supposed to be over in alt.shteaters ..

Take it to alt.kook.shteaters ..

"Dietary lecithin promotes removal of lipid from established
atherosclerotic plaque."
"4 months 3% soya lecithin plasma cholesterol and LP distribution
returned to normal"

Dietary linolenic acid is inversely associated with calcified
atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary arteries: the National
Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study.

Full Abstract
BACKGROUND:
High dietary intake of linolenic acid is associated with a lower
risk of cardiovascular disease mortality.
However, little is known about the association between linolenic
acid and subclinical atherosclerosis.

METHODS AND RESULTS:
To examine the association between dietary linolenic acid measured
by food frequency questionnaire and calcified atherosclerotic plaque
in the coronary arteries (CAC) measured by cardiac CT, we studied
2004 white participants of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood
Institute
(NHLBI) Family Heart Study aged 32 to 93 years.
The presence of CAC was defined on the basis of total CAC score of >
or =100.
We used generalized estimating equations to estimate odds ratios for
the presence of CAC across quintiles of linolenic acid.
The average consumption of dietary linolenic acid was 0.82+/-0.36 g/d
for men and 0.69+/-0.29 g/d for women.
From the lowest to the highest quintile of linolenic acid, adjusted
odds
ratios (95% CI) for the presence of CAC were 1.0 (reference), 0.61
(0.42 to 0.88), 0.55 (0.35 to 0.84), 0.57 (0.37 to 0.88), and 0.35
(0.22 to 0.55), respectively (P for trend <0.0001), after we
controlled for
age, gender, education, family risk group, smoking, fruit and
vegetable
intake, history of coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes
mellitus,
and statin use.
When linolenic acid was used as a continuous variable, the
multivariate
adjusted odds ratio was 0.38 (95% CI, 0.24 to 0.46) per gram of
linolenic
acid intake.
Use of different cut points for CAC score yielded similar results.

CONCLUSIONS:
Consumption of dietary linolenic acid is associated with a lower
prevalence
of CAC in a dose-response fashion in white men and women.

-------------------

Hyperlipoproteinaemia and atherosclerosis in rabbits fed
low-level cholesterol and lecithin.
Br J Exp Pathol 1985 Feb;66(1):35-46
Hunt CE, Duncan LA
Dutch-Belted rabbits were fed for 18 months an atherogenic
semipurified gel diet containing 14% hydrogenated coconut
oil and 0.06% cholesterol (approximately 0.15 mg/kcal) or a
non-atherogenic basal gel diet containing the same ingredients
but with no coconut oil or cholesterol.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet developed hypercholesterolaemia
(means 733 mg/dl at 16 months) and plasma lipoprotein (LP)
distribution shifted from a pattern in which high-density
lipoproteins (HDL) predominated to one in which very-low-density
lipoproteins (VLDL) were predominant.
Total cholesterol/triglyceride ratio in d less than 1.006 LP
changed from 0.3 to 1.8.
Plasma cholesterol and LP distribution returned to normal in
rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months followed by atherogenic
diet plus 3% soya lecithin for an additional 4 months.
Rabbits fed atherogenic diet for 18 months had extensive, usually
full circumference fibromuscular plaques in main branches of
coronary arteries and all portions of aorta which compromised lumen
area by almost 50%.
These lesions were modified in rabbits fed atherogenic diet plus
lecithin.
The plaques lacked foam cells and cholesterol clefts, were less
cellular
with a distinct fibrous surface and occupied less space.
Animals fed basal diet did not develop hypercholesterolaemia
(means 86 mg/dl at 16 months), although distribution of plasma LP
shifted slightly in favour of increased low-density lipoproteins
(LDL)
and decreased HDL compared with rabbits fed standard commercial
diet.
Basal diet rabbits had no coronary atherosclerosis and only minimal
focal foam cell lesions in proximal aorta.
Liver injury including fatty change, cholangitis and portal fibrosis
occurred in animals fed atherogenic diet.
Thus, rabbits fed appropriate diets low in cholesterol accumulate
cholesterol-enriched LP in their plasma and develop lesions
in abdominal aorta and main branches of coronary arteries which are
similar to those in man.
Also, in this experimental model, dietary lecithin promotes a return
to normal of the LP distribution profile and removal of lipid from
established atherosclerotic plaque.

PMID: 3970829, UI: 85122459

----------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Ken - 25 Feb 2009 17:14 GMT
CCped from Juba (credit where credit is due)

Tom Hennessy, aka ironjustice, watchman, and several other past
identities, is a 'single issue' fanatic who has been trolling many
support newsgroups for several years.
He is, without a doubt, sincere zealous to the point that in his
mind, virtually every condition known to man and medical science must
be attributed to 'iron overload'.
He has come to this belief because it
has been revealed to him in the bible after years of deciphering the
hidden 'code' he found therein.
His 'talent or expertise', is in spending the time to cruise the
medical information sites in hopes of spotting any possible study or
report that might bolster his mission.

Unfortunately, he posts these reports, which are then examined, they
often have nothing whatsoever to do with the actual medical condition
of the newsgroup he posts them on.
Tom has never been able or willing
to simply discuss the information he posts.
Rejecting his thesis is,
to him, cause to reply in an very personal and abusive manner.
When challenged, Tom often becomes verbally abusive including
scatological and obscene language.
He is medically unqualified and admits that he doesn't understand the
medical texts that he quotes.
He feels justified
in cross-posting his rants to multiple support groups and becomes
very rude and irrational if challenged
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 17:37 GMT
Dear Ken,

Can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
http://EmoryCardiology.com
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 18:10 GMT
> Dear Ken,
>
> Can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?

But, he is not.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 18:53 GMT
a non-christian wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> But, he is not.

Again, it should not surprise anyone that you are not able to publicly
say "Jesus is LORD."

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Juba - 25 Feb 2009 19:00 GMT
> What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

He wants you to shut the hell up because you don't speak for him. If you
can't do that, then at least stop crossposting this crap to multiple
newsgroups.

Signature

Juba
www.masterjuba.com

J666 - 25 Feb 2009 20:01 GMT
> He wants you to shut the hell up because you don't speak for him. If you
> can't do that, then at least stop crossposting this crap to multiple
> newsgroups.

He cannot do that as that is the essence of Chung.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 20:45 GMT
>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>>
>> What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://WDJW.net

>He wants you to shut the hell up because you don't speak for him.

Incorrect.

Usenet remains a text-based medium where much is written and posted
instead of being spoken.

This simply shows that you are guided solely by the spirit of error
(self) so that you are unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

May GOD soften your heart so that you come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
http://EmoryCardiology.com
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 21:15 GMT
>> He wants you to shut the hell up because you don't speak for him.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Usenet remains a text-based medium where much is written and posted
> instead of being spoken.

Speak  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/speak

To convey a message by nonverbal means like:  Actions speak louder than words
or His eyes spoke volumes  AND  to express in writing.

You need to get away from the simplistic way of thinking .... of course with
your simplist slogans like hunger is good and many other simplistic slogans
about Jesus et al, that may just be who you have BECOME.  Hard to imagine
someone getting an MD and PhD having simplistic attitudes so something must
have changed - perhaps the head trauma you had in the past - certainly as an
MD you do (or at least) did realize that.
truth@finder.com - 25 Feb 2009 22:05 GMT
>He wants you to shut the hell up because you don't speak for him.

"Incorrect.

Usenet remains a text-based medium where much is written and posted
instead of being spoken."

Truth:

Such cognitive disconnects reflect an underlying disorder.  

One part of it is the inability to see how the distortion affects such
communication disconnects and that what seems perfectly logical to the
producer
is seen by all others as that cognitive disconnect.

The product of that distortion of cognition waxes and wanes, currently
rather high in its manifestation.

GOD BLESS.
Don Kirkman - 26 Feb 2009 00:49 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <a7bbq4lvgma94onkhiqm8v8i8r0p52hql4@4ax.com>:

>Usenet remains a text-based medium where much is written and posted
>instead of being spoken.

Nothing posted here, just sent to a number of internet nodes for
interested parties to share and read.  No stamps, no post office, no
nailing up on telephone poles.  "Post No Bills."

>This simply shows that you are guided solely by the spirit of error
>(self) so that you are unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."  

And you are guided solely by the spirit of error (self and
irrationality) so that you are publicly or privately unable to cope
with the real world; i.e., the universe as it is.
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donsno2@charter.net

Loose Cannon - 25 Feb 2009 21:08 GMT
Oh, whooppie!  Another case of magical thinking.  Hey Andy!  I can say that
all day long....doesnt make it true! And if you are truly an MD/PhD, you'd
already know that ppl can say ANYTHING and it wont make them spout horns or
develop scratches from inside their body.  Jesus is LORD, right?

oh, wait, I was wrong...................my tongue is splitting, the number
666 appeared on my chest, being scratched from within.....ARGHHHHHHH.....I
AM LEGION!

Just kidding.

Didnt your mother teach you not to believe in fairy tales?

>a non-christian wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 23:22 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > a non-christian wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Oh, whooppie!  Another case of magical thinking.

Incorrect.

Simply a verse in the Bible.

> Hey Andy!  I can say that all day long....doesnt make it true!

Actually what allows those of us who are discerning to know that
"Jesus is LORD" is true is the fact that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit
of truth.

This means that when a person publicly says "Jesus is LORD" that this
is by the Spirit of truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, and is therefore
automatically true.

In the Holy Spirit, I know you can not publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

May GOD soften your heart so that you come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
http://EmoryCardiology.com
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 23:30 GMT
>> Oh, whooppie!  Another case of magical thinking.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Simply a verse in the Bible.

Yes, another fable.
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 26 Feb 2009 00:48 GMT
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:22:27 -0600, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in article
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Yes, another fable.

The fable is pretending to be 'an atheist' when no one truly is.   You
dont have that much faith  ;  even atheist/cofounder of the DNA
Molecule  Dr. Francis Crick affirmed the probability of atheism being
true at 10^40,000 th power .   Anyone with this much faith  that
something like 'atheism' is true,  represents the epitomie of
absurdity.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Feb 2009 02:39 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> The fable is pretending to be 'an atheist' when no one truly is.

Correct.

Can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
http://JiL4ever.net
J666 - 26 Feb 2009 03:53 GMT
> Can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> --
> Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !

The above is a prime example of the mindless repetition of phrases which I
commented on in my response to  IlBeBauck@gmail.com
J666 - 26 Feb 2009 03:49 GMT
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:22:27 -0600, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> (in article
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> something like 'atheism' is true,  represents the epitomie of
> absurdity.

So is it the Bible or the Koran or the Book of Mormon or The Veda of the
Hindus  or the books of  Sikhism, Buddhism ,Taoism, Confucianism and many of
the myriad of religions of the world and which God of all these religions is
the true and main or only God.

What about Deist who believe in God but not in any religion and that
religion's main religious text.  What about Pandeism and Dystheism?

So there are many other possibilities besides atheism for those who view the
Bible, or any of the other religion's "Bibles" which were written by men as
just fables.

You need to take off your blinders and broaden your views and realize that
understanding is far more than the mindless repeating of phrases, which is
all Chung and many others do.
Thommadura - 25 Feb 2009 19:07 GMT
> Dear Ken,
>
> Can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?

SO can I - but it is a lie - so why bother?
 
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