(ru) dolf: "You said, 'OK, so we're agreed - Section VIII of the Letters
Patent has no relevance nor bearing on the way we conduct our lives.' We
are talking about the Letters Patent being a semiotic statement..."

Hissyfit the Jeremiad (true.blue.bluey@gmail.com): "No we aren't. That's
a post-facto construct you are imposing on it."

(ru) dolf: "...which draws its principles of law, functions and powers
of governance, with respect to that sovereign autonomy as notion of the
Commonwealth, from Nature."

Hissyfit the Jeremiad (true.blue.bluey@gmail.com): "No it doesn't, it
gets those from human civilisation, not nature."

(ru) dolf: "Australia is a Dutch possession--I come from ancient Dutch
who have stood on this land, colonised by the British according to
principle and the peoples are unprincipled! With respects to
Intellectual Property held by me as substantiation of religious belief
by a semiotic {cf: semite (jews), semi as equinox half} cosmological
absolute as analogy to the anthropic cosmological principle. As the
source of language (Hebrew), its derivatives such as number, is a claim
to sovereign autonomous identity as religious / imperial governance.
That I will not, subject myself to your arrogance and prostitute [cf:
Revelation 17:13-15] this knowledge:

We are talking about the Letters Patent being a semiotic statement,
which draws its principles of law, functions and powers of governance,
with respect to that sovereign autonomy as notion of the Commonwealth,
from Nature. And whereas We did on the 17th day of September, 1900..."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "House, would you
please inform convicted idiot Andrew B. Chung? He urgently needs to know
that Jesus is LORD! Please pass it on to him as soon as you can! We are
waiting for the Lord to come back any time ... THANKS!

clanker(flerp@dingdong.net): "I already have - twice last week."

clanker(flerp@dingdong.net): "Liar, you can't be that old. Again Dolt -
so many words yet so little meaning. Stupid has various levels, yours is
gold."

clanker(flerp@dingdong.net): "I stood up for you because of truth.
However, it is my hope that being on the receiving end of this unfair
treatment will open your eyes. What Chung does to you, you have done to
other Christians. You now have the opportunity to change and no longer
act that way. I hope you use it. May God bless you, House"

(ru) dolf: "The Letters Patent within its cosmology of governance as
gift, mention from time to time--why not all time and infinite space?

And whereas We did on the 17th day of September, 1900, by and with the
advice of Our Privy Council declare by proclamation that, on and after
the 1st day of January, 1901, the people of New South Wales, Victoria,
South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania and also Western Australia,
should be united in a Federal Commonwealth of Australia: And whereas by
the said recited Act certain powers, functions, and authorities were
declared to be vested in the Governor General."

(ru) dolf: "Your life, and your acts ought to be so in accord with
Nature as to recognize such a principle of morality being something
other than sensually driven by animalistic amorality and atheistic
materialism!"

Hissyfit the Jeremiad (true.blue.bluey@gmail.com): "Nature has no
morality. Morality is a social construct."

(ru) dolf: "Under your obligations under Section 8 to the Letters Patent
of 1900 to the Australian Commonwealth 1901 what is the full name of the
individual true.blue.bluey@gmail.com?"

Peter Bowditch (myfirstname@ratbags.com): "Why are you asking me that?
And where in these Letters Patent does it mention anything about email
addresses? Are you sure you aren't referring to Leathers Patent like
they used to make shiny shoes out of."

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html

olde.sault (Olde.Sault@gmail.com): "I don't think the gays are doing too
badly when we think back to the days when they were imprisoned. Not all
supposed gays are true homosexuals and it shouldn't be a lifestyle
encouraged especially with the spread of today's diseases."

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "Changes are being made to the way gay couples
are treated by the welfare system - and about time too.

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "Gay couples have for a long time been after
the same treatment as married couples in the areas of superannuation,
inheritance, welfare, tax etc. But it seems they were only after the
"good bits". Now they've discovered the sting in the tail. They will
soon be invasively assessed just like heterosexual couples and many may
loose taxpayer provided benefits - and aren't they complaining!

Simon Organic (nofarkenway@gmail.com): "Well, well, how about that!!.
Looks like the butt rapers are discovering that equality does have some
drawbacks."

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "I don't see what the problem is. Couples in
heterosexual relationships have to endure this type of scrutiny for
decades. If I loose my job, and my wife continues to work there's no
Centrelink payment for me. If I have a business, and want to
income-split with my wife, I have to justify to the ATO that my wife is
working a number of hours commensurate with her salary. Why shouldn't it
be the same for homosexual couples? Especially when they are the ones
calling for "equality".

A Western Australian gay senator once famously boasted that his partner
was at home on welfare while he worked. It seems ironic that the Gay
Reform that he no doubt fought for will now put an end to this practice.'"

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "Dolf, I love you!

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "LOL, ROTHL! Be big girl and post it your
self."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "I would, but I
have blocked him for years now. I cannot even READ him write 'JESUS IS
LORD!!!', so I am not sure if he has ever written that, but he needs to
know about it. I have never heard him say it, that is sure. It is
important for him to know that he has to say 'JESUS IS LORD' with his
mouth, and he should do it soon, before Jesus comes back. If you inform
him that Jesus is LORD, you can as well tell him about Jesus Second
Coming at the same occasion. THANK YOU!"

(ru) dolf: "You are lying as a fascist rabid dog and banshee whore!"

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "No, I do not want
to block all the fifty e-mail addies of him in my block filter, sorry,
but I will block whom I choose to block, and Andrew is blocked, not so
much for his smear but for his spamming. Please also tell him that it is
'cum Spiritu Sancto', and not 'cum Spiritus Sancti' as he claimed - just
in case he meant Latin."

Roy Mock (roymock@gmail.com): "Is 'cum Spiritus Sancti' a valid
expression, too? My guess is that Andrew inadvertantly reversed the
order of 'Sancto' and 'piritu'. Cheers."

(ru) dolf: "Fr. James (fatherjames@ymail.com) does have a fiery temper
and a great deal of intolerance as the the Internet persona Anthanasia
responsible for the racial, sexual and religious vilification which led
to my ANZAC day arrest of 25 April 2006."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "Your god has no ability to do anything. I
choose what to say; when and where I want. Take your meds Andy."

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (love8@thetruth.com): "If what you wrote were
true, you would have provided a link to a YouTube video showing your
publicly saying "Jesus is LORD" when and where you want."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "The mind of a narcissistic fool. LOL!
Feeble attempt at reverse psychology."

Fr. James (fatherjames@ymail.com): "Nemesianus of Thubunae said: That
the baptism which heretics and schismatics bestow is not the true one,
is every where declared in the Holy Scriptures, since their very leading
men are false Christs and false prophets, as the Lord says by Solomon:
"He who trusteth in that which is false, he feedeth the winds; and the
very same, moreover, followeth the flight of birds. For he forsaketh the
ways of his own vineyard, he has wandered from the paths of his own
little field. But he walketh through pathless places, and dry, and a
land destined for thirst; moreover, he gathereth together fruitless
things in his hands."

And again: "Abstain from strange water, and from the fountain of another
do not drink, that you may live a long time; also that the years of life
may be added to thee." And in the Gospel our Lord Jesus Christ spoke
with His divine voice, saying, "Except a man be born again of water and
the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

This is the Spirit which from the beginning was borne over the waters;
for neither can the Spirit operate without the water, nor the water
without the Spirit. Certain people therefore interpret for themselves
ill, when they say that by imposition of the hand they receive the Holy
Ghost, and are thus received, when it is manifest that they ought to be
born again in the Catholic Church by both sacraments.

Then indeed they will be able to be sons of God, as says the apostle:
"Taking care to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There
is one body, and one Spirit, as ye have been called in one hope of your
calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God." All these things
speaks the Catholic Church." [The Seventh Council of Carthage under St
Cyprian, 258 AD]

Theo (theo@bekkers.com.au): "Fr James is not a Roman Catholic. He is an
ex-policeman, ex-protestant, ex-something else, last heard of isolated
to Bridie Island by his church, the Coptic Orthodox, to keep him out of
trouble. He was previously k[n]own for a fi[ery] temper and a great deal
of intolerance. He likes to be authoritarian, a leftover from his police
stint in the TRG, no doubt.

The Fr is a new title, he was last a Deacon."

Fr. James (fatherjames@ymail.com): "Theo, I would not be much of a
Christian if I did not learn to forgive those who are made in the image
of God who like the Devil mix truths with untruths as you have done
above. From my side, I of course forgive you affirming that your barbs,
although intended to hurt, actually are good for my soul and spirit. So
thank you. :-)

May God bless you and your family."

Theo (theo@bekkers.com.au): "They look like facts to me. It can only be
guilt you feel within you that perceives them as barbs. How did you
manage to kill off the Athanasius persona? (always had a problem typing
that). Does your family call you James? Athanasius? Greg? Sounds very
confusing."

Peter (blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com): "Ca[re] to substantiate "isolated to
Bridie Island by his church, the Coptic Orthodox, to keep him out of
trouble"? and.. "known for a fi[ery] temper and a great deal of
intolerance" and.. "likes to be authoritarian" Seems you must know him
rather well, or else you've engaged in a great deal of speculation:"

Fr. James (fatherjames@ymail.com): "btw

.JackNote: This #702, Super: #61 - Virtuosity at Using 'Beneath'/ Virtue
of Humility; I-Ching: H64 - Before Completion; Tetra: #78 - On the
Verge, Ego: #54 - Culturing Perspectives/ Cultivation of Intuition;
I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: #45 - Greatness, Nuance: #54 -
Culturing Perspectives/ Cultivation of Intuition; I-Ching: H55 -
Abundance; Tetra: #45 - Greatness

.Understanding: Male Idea: #61 has 0 Categories. Female Idea: #54 has 0
Categories.

no1

.JackNote: This #111, Super: #45 - Extremes and Reversals/ Greatest
Virtue; I-Ching: H49 - Revolution; Tetra: #28 - Change, Ego: #30 -
Government without Coercion/ Be Chary of War; I-Ching: H45 -
Congregation; Tetra: #59 - Massing, Nuance: #3 - Prescriptions for
Politics/ Keeping the People Quiet; I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward; Tetra:
#8 - Opposition

.Understanding: Male Idea: #106 has 0 Categories. Female Idea: #84 has 0
Categories.

in

.JackNote: This #59, Super: #77 - Natural Guide/ Heaven's Reason;
I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: #57 - Guardedness, Ego: #59 - A
Sensible Guide/ Hold Fast To Reason; I-Ching: H42 - Increase; Tetra: #13
- Increase, Nuance: #62 - Construing a Guide/ Practise Reason; I-Ching:
H23 - Disintegration; Tetra: #70 - Severence

.Understanding: Male Idea: #183 has 2 Categories: #30, #4, #40, #1, #8,
#100 = n. Field of Blood (or man), the Western part of Hinnom; #40, #30,
#40, #5, #20, #30, #10 = Weapons of war;

Female Idea: #143 has 10 Categories: #1, #2, #90, #50 = n. Gleaming; #1,
#90, #2, #50 = n. Willing; #70, #30, #1, #5, #1, #30, #5, #1 = The most
high God; #8, #30, #10, #90, #5 = Flatteries; smoothness; the smooth of
the neck; portion of a field; n. Portion; proportion, division; #8, #50,
#80, #5 = Pollution, impiety; #40, #8, #90, #5 = The half; #5, #3, #4,
#6, #30, #5, #40, #30, #20 = n. The Great King --- title of the Persian
monarch; #40, #50, #3, #50 = Player, minstrel; #40, #70, #3, #30 = A
track or rut; a way; course, conduct, way (of life); #40, #90, #8, #5 =
A frontlet (for the leg or shin), a greave;

the

.JackNote: This #213, Super: #52 - So What?/ Returning to the Origin;
I-Ching: H45 - Congregation; Tetra: #61 - Embellishment, Ego: #51 -
Natural Guides and Natural Virtuosity/ Nursing Virtue; I-Ching: H47 -
Exhaustion; Tetra: #69 - Exhaustion, Nuance: #32 - Natural Guide/ Virtue
of Holiness; I-Ching: H44 - Coming On; Tetra: #43 - Encounters

.Understanding: Male Idea: #235 has 3 Categories: #10, #200, #20, #5 =
Side; the rear; inner parts or recesses; remote parts; #50, #100, #80,
#5 = A cord or rope, a rope girdle; #5, #70, #50, #10, #100 = To lay
upon the neck, to load;

Female Idea: #194 has 0 Categories.

church

.JackNote: This #412, Super: #76 - Strength's Warning Signs/ Revealers
of Virtue; I-Ching: H20 - Contemplation; Tetra: #64 - Sinking, Ego: #7 -
Intentional Reversal/ Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation;
Tetra: #56 - Closed Mouth, Nuance: #39 - Achieving Oneness/ Root of
Order; I-Ching: H28 - Excess; Tetra: #76 - Aggravation

.Understanding: Male Idea: #311 has 6 Categories: #1, #10, #300 = A man;
a strong one; gentleman; a male; a husband; man, a person, men, mankind,
inhabitants, citizens, warriors, subjects; people; relations; any one,
somebody, each; See #1 #300 = #301, for Qabalistic discussion on Being;
#1, #90, #200, #20 = To press together; to form; #6, #200, #2, #70, #30,
#3 = n. Sojourn of Baal; #10, #1, #300 = To despair, to give up,
forsake; #40, #100, #90, #6, #70, #5 = Chisel or gouge; #40, #60, #6,
#200, #5 = Tradition especially orthodox doctrine, contrasted with
QaBaLaH #100 #2 #30 #5 or Kabbalah such as the Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon;

Female Idea: #201 has 0 Categories.

calls

.JackNote: This #164, Super: #22 - Point to Reversal?/ Humility's
Increase; I-Ching: H8 - Seeking Unity; Tetra: #34 - Kinship, Ego: #2 -
Contrast of Terms/ Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra: #16 -
Contact, Nuance: #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference;
I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 - Accumulation

.Understanding: Male Idea: #333 has 4 Categories: #1, #300, #2, #30 = n.
God's Thought; #3, #30, #300 = To sit, lie down; #8, #300, #20, #5 =
Darkness; #10, #6, #300, #2, #10, #5 = n. Yah Causes to Dwell;

Female Idea: #203 has 0 Categories.

me

.JackNote: This #45, Super: #44 - Moderate Values/ Setting Up Precepts;
I-Ching: H1 - Creative Principle/Heaven; Tetra: #36 - Strength, Ego: #45
- Extremes and Reversals/ Greatest Virtue; I-Ching: H49 - Revolution;
Tetra: #28 - Change, Nuance: #5 - Natural Guidance/ Function of
Emptiness; I-Ching: H63 - Completion & After; Tetra: #73 - Completion

.Understanding: Male Idea: #377 has 2 Categories: #300, #40, #1, #6, #30
= The left hand; the left; north; #300, #40, #6, #1, #30 = n. Heard by
God, Samuel (the prophet);

Female Idea: #248 has 0 Categories.

athan,

.JackNote: This #260, Super: #62 - Construing a Guide/ Practise Reason;
I-Ching: H23 - Disintegration; Tetra: #70 - Severence, Ego: #17 -
Politics; I-Ching: H54 - Marriageable Maiden; Tetra: #65 - Inner,
Nuance: #22 - Point to Reversal?/ Humility's Increase; I-Ching: H8 -
Seeking Unity; Tetra: #34 - Kinship

.Understanding: Male Idea: #439 has 5 Categories: #2, #400, #6, #1, #30
= n. Abode of God; Man of God; #3, #30, #6, #400 = Carrying away;
captivity or exile; exiles or captives; #30, #2, #1, #6, #400 =
Lionesses; #40, #8, #200, #6, #905, #8, #20, #40, #5, #9, #6, #2 = Good
is wisdom more than gold, wisdom is better than gold; #10, #3, #6, #10,
#40, #70, #200, #10, #90 = The most violent nations;

Female Idea: #265 has 16 Categories: #1, #8, #200, #6, #50 = Latter,
later; western; #5, #200, #60 = To tear, break, pull down, pull out
destroy; break in; n. Lion or Sun; #10, #30, #70, #10, #50, #5, #90 = To
escape the eye; #10, #200, #40, #10, #5 = n. Yah is Exalted, Jeremiah;
#40, #20, #200, #5 = A pit; #40, #20, #200, #5 = Piercers or stabbers;
swords; #70, #30, #5, #40, #50, #30, #40 = Over; #40, #200, #1, #4, #20
= n. Warlike --- the Babylonian deity Marduk; #40, #200, #6, #4, #10, #5
= Her fleeings; #50, #5, #10, #200 = The light; #50, #200, #10, #5 = n.
Lamp of Yah; #60, #5, #200 = To be round or circular; #60, #5, #200 =
Roundness; #60, #5, #200 = Tower, round tower or castle; #60, #200, #5 =
To join or knit together; #60, #200, #5 = A turning away, apostasy or
revolt; a leaving off, ceasing;

my

.JackNote: This #740, Super: #10 - Impossible Advice/ What can Be Done?;
I-Ching: H30 - Clinging to Brightness; Tetra: #41 - Response, Ego: #11 -
Value of Non-Existence/ Function of the Non-Existent; I-Ching: H8 -
Seeking Unity; Tetra: #33 - Closeness, Nuance: #33 - Achievable Goals/
Virtue of Discrimination; I-Ching: H9 - Minor Restraint; Tetra: #35 -
Gathering

.Understanding: Male Idea: #449 has 1 Categories: #9, #30, #10, #400 =
Cover, sheet, cloak (similar to Roman pallium); Tallith (fringed prayer
shawl);

Female Idea: #276 has 13 Categories: #8, #200, #8, #60 = n. Brilliant;
#10, #60, #6, #200 = One who turns away from me; corrector, reprover;
#20, #50, #6, #200 = A harp, lyre; #70, #6, #200 = To cry or call; to be
astir or awake; #70, #6, #200 = To be bare or naked; #70, #6, #200 = To
dig, to hallow out; #70, #6, #200 = To go round, to encircle or enclose;
#70, #6, #200 = To oppress; #70, #6, #200 = To suck; #70, #6, #200 = To
glow or burn; #70, #6, #200 = The skin or hide; leather; the body (as
covering for the soul); #70, #6, #200 = Chaff or hull; #70, #6, #200 =
Blind;

internet

.JackNote: This #609, Super: #68 - Coinciding with Nature/ Complying
With Heaven; I-Ching: H14 - Great Possessions; Tetra: #38 - Fullness,
Ego: #42 - Generating Things/ Reason's Modifications; I-Ching: H60 -
Restraint; Tetra: #52 - Measure, Nuance: #75 - Destructiveness of Envy/
Harmed Through Greed; I-Ching: H52 - Inaction; Tetra: #72 - Hardness

.Understanding: Male Idea: #517 has 2 Categories: #10, #200, #6, #300,
#1 = n. Possession; #40, #2, #10, #50, #400, #20 = By thine understanding;

Female Idea: #318 has 9 Categories: #1, #30, #10, #70, #7, #200 = n. God
is Help; #8, #10, #300 = To hasten; haste; hastily, speedily; #10, #7,
#200, #70, #1, #30 = n. God Will Sow or God Will Scatter; #10, #8, #300
= To unite; race, family; #10, #300, #6, #2 = n. He Returns; #10, #300,
#8 = To fail, sink; the sinking (stomach at hunger); #40, #200, #3, #70,
#5 = Rest or quiet; #50, #8, #10, #200, #10, #40 = The nostrils; #70,
#7, #200, #10, #1, #30 = n. God's Help;

friend."

.JackNote: This #164, Super: #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising
Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - Army; Tetra: #32 - Legion, Ego: #2 - Contrast
of Terms/ Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra: #16 - Contact,
Nuance: #77 - Natural Guide/ Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation;
Tetra: #57 - Guardedness

.Understanding: Male Idea: #526 has 0 Categories.

Female Idea: #320 has 19 Categories: #1, #2, #50, #10, #50, #7, #200 =
Diadem-stones (crown jewels); #10, #100, #10, #200 = Dear, precious;
weighty, difficult; noble, eminent; #10, #300, #2, #8 = n. He Praises;
#10, #300, #10 = n. Jess - Gift, the father of king David; #20, #200,
#60, #40 = To eat off, devour; #30, #90, #200 = To keep or guard; #50,
#2, #6, #7, #200, #1, #4, #50 = n. Nebo the Chief Ruler (a general of
the army of Nebuchadanezzar); #50, #70, #200 = To growl or roar (as a
young lion); #50, #70, #200 = To stir, to shake; #50, #70, #200 =
Roughness (of voice); puberty; youthfulness or youth; #50, #70, #200 = A
shaking out or scattering; straying or scattered flock; #50, #70, #200 =
Boyhood or youth; #60, #200, #60 = To extirpate; to castrate; #70, #10,
#200, #40 = n. Watchful; #70, #10, #200, #40 = Naked or stripped; #70,
#40, #10, #200 = A swath or heap; a sheaf or bundle; #70, #40, #200, #10
= n. Sheaf-like, a king of Israel; #70, #50, #200 = To be young or
vigorous; n. Manly; #70, #200, #50 = n. Watchful;

It is clear that my ANZAC day (25 April 2006) arrest was associated with
anti-gay prejudice related to Private Jake Kovco’s death—the Military
Tribunal's initial finding that the death was due to sky-larking as the
inappropriate handling of his weapon. There was the suggestion that he
could have killed himself on 21 April 2006 [Super: #337 / #31 - Military
Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War; I-Ching: H32 – Endurance; Tetra: #51
- Constancy; Ego: #325 / #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling
War; I-Ching: H32 – Endurance; Tetra: #51 - Constancy] while dancing and
joking around to the Cranberries song titled 'Dream' in a manner
described as "(It was) almost to say this is so gay I would rather be dead."

And saying 'Allahu Akbar (God is Great)' with his unchecked weapon a 9mm
pistol in hand—note the military sacred winged caduceus on his
gravestone (situated Sale cemetery) is a claimed compliance with my own
‘religious and political belief and activity’ expressed in a Internet
accessible document dated 2 April 2006 [Super: #302 / #57 -- Laissez
Faire Politics/ Simplicity In Habits; I-Ching: H37 – Family; Tetra: #39
- Residence; Ego: #281 / #21 -- Guiding and the Physical/ Emptying the
Heart; I-Ching: H31 – Influence; Tetra: #42 - Going to Meet] and titled
“The Ninonian Generation of Ninja-Ninnies” and which was delivered by
registered post to the Wellington Shire Council on 20 April 2006 [Super:
#401 / #63 - Origins in Reversal/ Consider Beginnings; I-Ching: H51 –
Thunderclap; Tetra: #62 - Doubt; Ego: #383 / #44 - Moderate Values/
Setting Up Precepts; I-Ching: H1 - Creative Principle/Heaven; Tetra: #36
- Strength] as response to Scheme 0601 being a Special Charge Street
Construction & Drainage Works Scheme, proposed by the local Council.

So it was on 25 April 2006 that I asked God a favour when I was being
unreasonably swept off the street. The 36 second video footage released
under the Freedom of Information Act, clearly shows a 'do not stand'
sign against which I was held by the police as consequentially impeding
my progress. As being in very close proximity to where I was conveyed in
a northerly direction to the wall of a nearby premise. That my arrest
was the direct consequence of religious and racial vilification:
"Briagolong Police have been informed both of your postings on this
group referring to the Assistant Police Commissioner (Vic) and your
intentions for tomorrow's Anzac Day March protest in Briagolong.

It is hoped that respect and concern for others including those who are
grieving will be your offering to your new community tomorrow, rather
than a contemptuous public rebuke. All following dribble by the above
poster will be ignored: 'Do you not know that the unrighteous will not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves,
nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit
the kingdom of God.' [1 Corinthians 6:9-10]" [Athanasius (a false
Internet identity for a member of the Egyptian Coptic Community) 1526
hrs 24 April 2006]

As a member of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgrendered (GLBT)
community I had performed a protest on ANZAC Day 25 April 2006 wearing
my Gay & Lesbian Police Employees Network (GALPEN) jacket, my
blood-stained Rainbow Sash and Jewish Yamulka. Getting arrested
following a concerted and conniving effort to have me removed from the
street, made by Athanasius, an Internet aus.religion.christian forum
participant from the Egyptian Coptic community and local
residents--which had a distinct flavour of religious intolerance—Here is
a summary of that newsgroup dialog: "If not in [th]is the fruit of his
heretical Sabbatarian and Judaistic mixed non-Christian beliefs mixed
with his physical ailments." [Athanasius 0730 hrs 1 May 2006]

"Leave Dolf alone Athanasius. The days of ridiculing and baiting people
with the problems Dolf has should be behind us. You're not doing that
very well, are you? What happened to the new persona you promised us
after Easter?" [Theo Bekkers (atheist) 1542 hrs 24 April 2006]

"And what problems, beyond your imagination might they be? 'I speak to
your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? No, not
one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goes
to law with brother, and that before unbelievers.' [1 Corinthians
6:5-6]" [Dolf Boek 1732 hrs 24 April 2006]

"It wasn't me that called in the police to harrass Dolf. It now appears
they have paid him three visits since Athanasius contacted them." [Theo
Bekkers (atheist) 0957 hrs 26 April 2006]

"You have a penchant for annoying the authorities beyond the point of
being ignored." [Theo Bekkers (atheist) 0958 hrs 26 April 2006]

"Four. The last one being able to protect him from an impending angry
mob. Good work all round I would say. Good protective community
policing. Seems like even Dolf appreciated the protection he was
afforded. Another job well done thanks to God. Peace and grace."
[Athanasius 0915 hrs 27 April 2006]

"That was the point I was trying to make. Thanks to a sensible local
police force, I would have thought ..." [Jani (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk)
0853 hrs 27 April 2006]

"Who were given the heads up by a servant of God. :) Like I said, Thanks
to God. :) Peace and grace." [Athanasius 0906 hrs 27 April 2006]

"Thanks to them being alerted to the situation by Athanasius. Except for
that, Mr. Boek might well have been 'lynched' by a (justifiably) angry
mob. So we can say it was a good thing that they intervened, can't we?"
[Peter Wood 0932 hrs 27 April 2006]

"Australians are pretty easy-going, on the whole. Only two things seem
to get them really worked up: (a) Interfering with Anzac Day; (b) Being
disturbed while watching sport on TV." [Dr. Ken Smith 0939 hrs 27 April
2006]

"I'm sure there must be more. '(a) Interfering with Anzac Day' and
rightly so!' [Peter Wood 1019 hrs 27 April 2006]

"No-one from the town was there at dawn--they were hijacking ANZAC day
for their own ends and not out of regard for any sense of duty to the
State." [Dolf Boek 0616 hrs 28 April 2006]

"A very good description of Athanasius' involvement in this." [Theo
Bekkers (atheist) 0936 hrs 28 June 2006]

"Crap! What religious intolerance was there in this? This was a
deliberate attempt by a gay activist to use an Anzac celebration to
further his own agenda. Do you approve of hijacking Anzac day
celebrations by those with a cause Theo? Dolf uses his 'religious
intolerance' card anytime anyone criticises anything he says or
does--either that one or the 'constitutional rights' one, or both. I
expect better of you Theo." [Peter Wood 1216 hrs 28 June 2006]

"Your expectations will be dashed then Pete. Thanks btw. :-)"
[Athanasius 1226 hrs 28 June 2006]

"I expected better of you the day the police called on Dolf. I was
aghast. Is there a policeman on Bridie Island? Oops, silly question,
sorry." [Theo Bekkers (atheist) 1257 hrs 28 June 2006]

I believe that the conduct by the Internet personality Athanasius,
relating to the “use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit
statements or other material” that on the “grounds of the religious
belief or activity of another person or class of persons, engage in
conduct that incites hatred against, serious contempt for, or revulsion
or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons” which is
prohibited under Section 8 of Victoria's Racial and Religious Tolerance
Act 2001 Act No. 47/2001 42/1995 . Accordingly I had the following
telephone messaging conversation with this mobile telephone number
0407969827 which I believed to be associated to the persona of an
Internet individual known as ‘Athanasius’ on 22 December 2006.

"Athan, is that you? What’s your address for aust post delivery?” [Sent
11:08:01, 22 December 2006; This: 6531 Ego: #51; Super: #51 - Natural
Guides and Natural Virtuosity/ Nursing Virtue; I-Ching : H47 –
Exhaustion; Tetra: #69 – Exhaustion; Telos: #51]

“Athan, is that you? What’s your address for aust post delivery?” [Sent
12:35:56, 22 December 2006; This: 6531 Ego: #51; Super: #21 - Guiding
and the Physical/ Emptying the Heart; I-Ching : H31 – Influence; Tetra:
#42 - Going to Meet; Telos: #102]

“Athan, is that you? What’s your address for aust post delivery?” [Sent
12:48:23, 22 December 2006; This: 6531 Ego: #51; Super: #72 - Self-Love/
Holding Oneself Dear; I-Ching : H39 – Obstacles; Tetra: #79 –
Difficulties; Telos: #153]

“yes its me who am I txting” [Received 13:05:32, 22 December 2006; This:
2843 Ego: #8; Super: #8 - Worth of Water/ Easy By Nature; I-Ching : H48
– Well; Tetra: #40 - Law/Model; Telos: #8]

“Too late, the gift has been sent to the next on my list.” [Sent
13:11:26, 22 December 2006; This: 4034 Ego: #65 - Unlearned Virtuosity/
Virtue of Simplicity; I-Ching : H20 – Contemplation; Tetra: #63 - Watch;
Super: #56 - Abstruse Virtuosity/ Virtue of the Mysterious; I-Ching :
H55 – Abundance; Tetra: #46 – Enlargement; Telos: #218]

“I hav 2 much as it is, peace and grace” [Received 13:35:07, 22 December
2006; This: 1435 Ego: #58 - Political Reversal/ Adaptation to Change;
I-Ching : H43 - Resolution; Tetra: #29 - Decisiveness; Super: #66 -
Strategic Reversal/ Putting Oneself Behind; I-Ching : H41 – Decrease;
Tetra: #55 – Diminishment; Telos: #66]

“Self sufficiency renders any gift meaningless!” [Sent 13:39:19, 22
December 2006; This: 3046 Ego: #49 - Sage's Constancy/ Trust in Virtue;
I-Ching : H3 - Initial Difficulties; Tetra: #4 - Barrier; Super: #24 -
Important Distinctions/ Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching : H5 – Delay;
Tetra: #18 – Waiting; Telos: #267]

“btw no1 in the church calls me athan, my internet friend” [Received
13:59:12, 22 December 2006; This: 3479 Ego: #77 - Natural Guide/
Heaven's Reason; I-Ching : H12 – Stagnation; Tetra: #57 - Guardedness;
Super: #62 - Construing a Guide/ Practise Reason; I-Ching : H23 –
Disintegration; Tetra: #70 – Severance; Telos: #143]

These produced categories of understanding [Super: #143, Ego: #125],
which were consistent with the memetic content of media news reporting
of warfare-MILCHAMAH [#143 from original Hebrew #20 #40 #30 #8 #30 #5
(H4421) meaning a battle (that is, the engagement); generally war (that
is, warfare):—battle, fight, (-ing), war ([-rior]) From the primitive
root (H3898) #30 #8 #40 = #78 - Recognizing Fidelity/ Trust in Faith;
I-Ching: H59 - Dispersal; Tetra: #47 - Pattern (in the sense of
fighting) to feed on; figuratively to consume; by implication to battle
(as destruction):—devour, eat, X ever, fight (-ing), overcome, prevail,
(make) war (-ring)]

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html

Bob Young (alaspectrum@netvigator.com): "You are so hooked on faith you
think atheism has to be 'a faith'. It is nothing of the sort, atheism
is, at the end opf the day, simply 'the use of one's brains'.

Emmett below has an even better definition and his last line speaks volumes:

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this.
Atheism is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in
fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of
Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock
of sanity in a world of madness." [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by
Emmett F. Fields]"

I'll Be Back (IlBeBauck@gmail.com): "You must do is to stop confusing
that small organ if yours with conflicting information. Stop talking
with poor old Horus and Titi. They are with us no longer and no amount
of talking to them will do you any good."

(ru) dolf: "I'm sure Isis could help you find a more personal faith--you
dildo {ie. a stupid or ridiculous person}! The Egyptian myths may in
fact be obtained from the GRAPPLE Homoiotic Noumenon--I can't imagine
any civilisation could survive without mapping the psych of its culture
to such. Without it (eg. ANZAC day and Australia day for us), the
people's would perish."

I'll Be Back (IlBeBauck@gmail.com): "The Theistic Creator can easily be
shown and identified thru Creation, thru The Bible, and thru the
historical evidences for Jesus Christ. But...are you open to it? Lastly,
everyone has 'a religion' they follow in essence... it whittles down to
either the Universe's personal Creator or Self--we all have an opinion
on the origin of the Universe, first life, philosophy for living,
morality or lack thereof, et al... ergo, we all follow
something/someone. Regarding 'atheism'... it is a secular religion of No
Creator required with its sub-category of Humanism (including the tenets
of hedonism, et al).

Heres a defining question for you: If it could be rationally and
reasonably shown that a Theistic personal Creator exists ... would you
be willing to submit your life to him / get to know him better/ and live
for him as your ultimate purpose for being alive at this time in
history? Why or why not?"

Nicodemus (RUBILL@gmail.com): "My mother told me good...

Well I was born an original sinner.
I was borne from original sin.
And if I had a dollar bill
For all the things Ive done
There'd be a mountain of money
Piled up to my chin...

My mother told me good
My mother told me strong.
She said be true to yourself
And you can't go wrong.
But there's just one thing
That you must understand.
You can fool with your brother -
But don't mess with a missionary man.

Don't mess with a missionary man.
Don't mess with a missionary man.

Well the missionary man
He's got God on his side.
He's got the saints and apostles
Backin' up from behind.
Black eyed looks from those Bible books.
He's a man with a mission
Got a serious mind.
There was a woman in the jungle
And a monkey on a tree.
The missionary man he was followin' me.
He said stop what you're doing.
Get down upon your knees.
I've got a message for you that you better believe."
[Music lyrics by Eurythmics, Songwriters: Lennox, Annie; Stewart, David;
(c) BMG Music Publishing Group (UK)]

Hissyfit the Jeremiad (true.blue.bluey@gmail.com) [2009.2.18 2332 hours
-0800 (PST)]: "Dolt cannot explain anything at all."

(ru) dolf: "Mother Mary wouldn't have lied to you now would she?"

No One (noone@nospam.pacbell.net): "The Dolt" was the nickname of a
climber named Bill Feuerer who came up with the infamous Dolt cart - a
thing with bicycle wheels used as a haul bag, with mixed success on the
first ascent of the Nose (it would tip over frequently enough to be more
trouble than it was worth). One Dolt story I read was about the time he
got up to a belay, clipped in wrong, and fell 150 feet to the end of the
rope (150 feet because it was before 50 metre ropes became common, much
less 60 metre ones). Another story had some guy in the party say "God
damn this climb" and Feuerer replied, "I will consider it."

Michael Christ (jesusislord@father.com): "Ten years ago there wasn't the
prevalence of open slander toward God in the newsgroups."

Thom Madura (tommadura@optonline.net): "It is not possible to slander
something that cannot even be established and proven to exist. That is
just your personal unsupportable belief ta[l]king."

Michael Christ (jesusislord@father.com): "It is only a matter of time as
man continues to plummet into a world of their own making."

Thom Madura (tommadura@optonline.net): "Since religion is something of
man's own making - as are gods - you are already a part of that."

Bruce (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "It is a free world isn't it. :)"

Michael Christ (jesusislord@father.com): "Is it?"

Bruce (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "A god who de[s]troys those who do not
bend to his agenda is not worthy of our worship or acknowledgment.

But there is a mystery there. What it is none of us know. My opinion [is
the] best we can do is live life reasonably and in care to others. But
worship to a vertical authority who blames us for sins on some ancestor
is not ethical. I agree with you, but there is still the mystery."

Randy ® (pulpitfire@gmail.com): "The only freedom you have, is to
operate within the confines of your totally depraved human nature. If
you really want to be free from the penalty, power, and presence of your
sin, you need faith in Christ's death and resurrection."

Bruce (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "And who are you or what gives you
authority to judge my faith?"

Randy ® (pulpitfire@gmail.com): "I didn't invent the doctrine, I simply
told you what the Bible says."

Bruce (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "More to the point why do you feel the
need to."

Randy ® (pulpitfire@gmail.com): "Because Jesus said all authority was
given to Him in heaven and earth, and that we who believe should go and
preach the gospel to every creature. The desired result is that you
escape the penalty, power, and presence of your sin, and enjoy true
freedom for God's glory."

Barry OGrady (god_free_jones@yahoo.com): "Have you only just woken up to
the fact that God is useless? Most Christians know they can't rely on God."

For, says he, the enemy said, 'I will pursue and take captive.' Who,
then, could be a more determined enemy to the soul than he who out of
arrogance appropriates the especial attributes of the Deity to himself?
Now it is an especial attribute of God to create, and this faculty it is
impious to ascribe to any created being.

But the special property of the created being is to suffer; and he who
has previously considered how akin to and inevitable for man this is,
will easily endure everything that befalls him, however grievous it may
be. But if he thinks that it is inconsistent with his destiny, then, IF
HE BE OPPRESSED WITH ANY VERY TERRIBLE CALAMITY, HE WILL SUFFER THE
PUNISHMENT OF SISYPHUS {

ie. According to Homer, a man sentenced to the dreadful punishment of
futile and hopeless labor to push a large boulder which would roll back
under its own weight

}, not being able to raise his head, not even ever so little, but being
exposed to all sorts of evils coming upon him and over-whelming him, and
meeting them all with sub-mission and no-resistance, the passions of a
degenerate and unmanly soul; for he ought rather to have endured with
patience; still, however, resisting and striving against calamity,
strengthening his mind, and raising a bulwark against sorrow by his own
patience and fortitude, which are the most powerful of virtues.

For as to be shaved is an operation of a twofold nature, as in the one
case the creature shaved is either the active agent and the passive
subject; and in the other case, he does nothing but yield and submit to
the barber: for a sheep is shorn either of his whole hide, or of that
which is called the pillow; doing nothing of itself, but only suffering
at the hands of another. But man co-operates with the barber, and puts
himself in the proper attitude, and makes himself convenient, mingling
the characters of the subject and the agent.

So also in the case of beating, that may happen either to a servant who
has committed offences worthy of stripes, or to a freeman who is
stretched on the wheel as a punishment for wickedness, or to some
inanimate thing; for stones and trees are beaten, and gold and silver,
and whatever material is wrought in a forge, or is cut in two.

"And the servants and officers stood there, who had made a fire of
coals; for it was cold: and they warmed themselves: and Peter {a rock or
stone} stood with them, and warmed himself.

The high priest then asked Jesus {savior; deliverer} of his disciples,
and of his doctrine. Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I
ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always
resort; and in secret have I said nothing. Why askest thou me? ask them
which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I
said. And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by
struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high
priest so? Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of
the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Now Annas {one who answers;
humble} had sent him bound unto Caiaphas {he that seeks with diligence;
one that vomits} the high priest." [John 18:18-25]

"And to be beaten, also happens to athletes who contend in boxing, or in
the pancratium {

At Rome the pancratium is first mentioned in the games which Emperor
Caligula gave to the people and with whom Philo Judaeus of Alexandria in
38CE met--"The occasion gave equal privileges & communites to all men,
so that the [Golden] Age of Saturn which is so celebrated by the poets
was no longer looked upon as a fiction and a fable--the universal
prosperity which reigned everywhere throughout the whole peoples, lasted
continually without interruption during the first seven months [of
Emperor Caligula's short reign 37-41CE]" [Philo of Alexander's On
Embassy to Gaius (Emperor Caligula), 13]

} for victory and crowns. The boxer parries blows which are aimed at him
with one of his hands, and stooping his neck on this side and on that
side, guards against being struck; and very often he stands on tiptoe,
and raises himself as high as he can, or else he stoops and contracts
himself on the other hand, and compels his antagonist to waste his blows
on the empty air, very nearly as if he were fighting a shadow.

But the servant of the brass, doing nothing in return, is subjected to
the will of the other party, suffering at his hands whatever he
pleases..." [Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20BCE-50CE), On Cherubim #77
to #81]

In
news:4616c1f4-8576-4cf8-9be3-16c97b3a4c4e@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com,
roymock@gmail.com <roymock@gmail.com> typed:

I think yes, it is also valid, and it does not matter which order.

Convicted Andrew B. Chung forgot that there is an ablativus after "cum"
in Latin. If I know that, I wonder about the status of his Latin as a
doctor. I only hope that his knowledge of medicine  better than his
Latin.

Cheers.

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