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Daily Spirit-guided T3WiJ thought for 02/22/09

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Feb 2009 08:59 GMT
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because
fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect
in love." (1 John 4:18)

Amen.

"GOD is love." -- Holy Spirit

Amen.

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):

http://WDJW.net  

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Bill M - 22 Feb 2009 11:42 GMT
> "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because
> fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Amen.

God fanatics constantly make the claim the wonders and complexity of the
world is proof of God's love.

This pretty negative proof and complexity is NOT evidence of some God. It is
only evidence that the world and Universe is complex relative to human
mental capacity, nothing more.

Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?

Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year?

Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and
devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?

God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?

Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?

World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.

World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.

Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.

These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.

Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.

Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has

DOUBLED the average life span.  None of this was created by any gods.

Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)

There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE  EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant men.

If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.

The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!

I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.

Who will accept the challenge???
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Feb 2009 17:07 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> God fanatics constantly make the claim the wonders and complexity of the
> world is proof of God's love.

The discerning know that John 3:16 is proof of GOD's love.

Truth is simple :-)

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
http://JiL4ever.net
Thom Madura - 22 Feb 2009 18:46 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> The discerning know that John 3:16 is proof of GOD's love.
> http://JiL4ever.net

And the truly discerning know that the bible is a statement of religion on
religion - and self-verification proves nothing.

Even a real Doctor would know that .
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Feb 2009 10:16 GMT
"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
J666 - 24 Feb 2009 01:28 GMT
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives:

Yes, if only Adam had stayed hungry and not taken a bite of the apple.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Feb 2009 10:28 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Don Kirkman - 24 Feb 2009 19:19 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<bbd67e6f-11e1-4eaf-ade3-0411f3434b05@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:

>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>time:

>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
scientists to develop a vaccine that prevents all strains of flu
including avian and.
Signature

Don Kirkman
donsno2@charter.net

J666 - 24 Feb 2009 20:04 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> scientists to develop a vaccine that prevents all strains of flu
> including avian and.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/infectious-diseases/2009/02/23/a-
breakthrough-weapon-to-fight-flu-and-bird-flu.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Feb 2009 22:59 GMT
> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>scientists to develop a vaccine that prevents all strains of flu
>including avian and.

The boasting of scientists reminds folks of those who bragged that the
Titanic was unsinkable.

Meanwhile, virologists are shaking their heads at the wild claims of
those who would "weave an invisible garment for the emperor."

No matter, we will continue to serve in preparing folks for the
eventuallity of a Pan-Flu as the Holy Spirit guides us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
Signature

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?

dolf - 24 Feb 2009 23:25 GMT
(ru) dolf: "I used that www-page as a reference on Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt")

And mention the 'Mental Block' on 2009.2.18 in a discussion tread 'The
Truth Behind Leviticus 18:22' in newsgroups: alt.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, aus.religion.christian

As comment which was applied to me just the other day--wherein I falsely
was accused: "Much like the Dolt, aren't you...twist reality to sooth
your senses...

Correct yourself..."

Mark [I] Tindall (Iam@home0000059): "Chucky Stamford can't answer this
post because his wife thinks his faith is SO fragile that I might
destroy it ... and I will!!!!"

"Shawn [Terry] Thayer" (terry@atdesk.com): "You give yourself too much
credit, Mark. You couldn't destroy the faith of the 4 year old Sunday
School students at my Church. Your infantile and silly cut and paste
responses are continual evidence of the ignorance you have of the
Christian faith and the youngest of believers can see the foolishness of
your liberal and anti-christian views. The only faith you've destroyed
is your own, and that is because you 'needed to destroy it' so you could
attempt to justify being your own god."

Chuck (shellstamford@cox.net): "All Mark need do is prove he has
permission to use this author's entire article. Fair use doesn't give
anyone the right to copy an entire blog article and post it in a
newsgroup for discussion."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "And there you go with the
inevitable strawman.

Hey, what happened to 'I'm sorry I accused Mark of stealing something
and passing it off as his own, when even a cursory glance at Mark's
original post shows he did no such thing'?

Eh, never mind, I've given up expecting any sort of honesty from you."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "There were times
when I shared things with people here, too, but you and your your gang
made that impossible for me.

So pleazzzze, just take my comment on *that*. Why do you not share by
e-mail? Do you not have Martian [Matt] Chikitita's addy? Or would he
delete your e-mail as spam? He is the spamming idiot, though..."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "You said elsewhere that
posting to alt.christnet.christianlife is only 'fun' for you. So, why do
you expect anyone to take you seriously? Or, have you spent all this
time posting to usenet just to show christians in a bad light? Why would
you do that? As you might have noticed, there are no pagan or wiccan or
even satanist groups who spend time undermining christianity as
determinedly as you do. So, what is your point, Vera?"

Arum [Fartzen] Knobdoodle (knobdoodle@hotmail.com): "What's an arselifter?"

Sir John Howard (arseliftersareidiots@dickheads.con): "Can't you guess?"

Arum [Fartzen] Knobdoodle (knobdoodle@hotmail.com): "My guess is that
it's some kind of mangled confusion of arse-bandit and shirt-lifter that
makes no sense."

Sir John Howard (arseliftersareidiots@dickheads.con): "Not quite."

Arum [Fartzen] Knobdoodle (knobdoodle@hotmail.com): "What's my prize?"

Sir John Howard (arseliftersareidiots@dickheads.con): "A free clue."

(ru) dolf: "I'm not Fallout Boy skanking to sailors on HMAS Tobruk, if
that's what you mean. It was clean laundry as three bath robes which I
put on the line--Neighbour indeed!"

Arum [Fartzen] Knobdoodle (knobdoodle@hotmail.com): "Where's my clue? It
was a simple question and I have to wait two days while you carry on
like a cockhead until someone else finally explains it. Not all of us
are up with the latest racist/xenephobe insults."

(ru) dolf: "Nowhere is there opportunity for you to impose your right
wing ideology on the regime of Imperial / Religious Governance known as
the Commonwealth."

Hissyfit the Jeremiad (true.blue.bluey@gmail.com): "Prove me wrong by
citing precisely which legislation you are referring to. When I search
for "section 8 letters patent australian commonwealth" I get nothing,
which would tend to indicate that it exists only in your imagination."

bringyagrogalong (sofala@aapt.net.au): "Let's see if I've got this
straight. God butchered 209 people and those religious clowns gathered
to give thanks?"

Karin.HerWig (holyfool@wondering.com): "Religion is obviously people
using other people to get what they want and it has nothing to do with
actual gods."

Every once in a while one comes across a fundamentalist evangelizing
atheist out on the street corner thumping the empty air to bring others
to their faith.

It has always seemed to me they have a very severe case of the God
monkey on their back. They like a whirling dervish think that by
speaking loudly and spinning ever so fast they can shake Him off.

They think that by attempting to bring others to their faith they as a
group can use each other as confirmation of their faith, a happy choir
of believers smiling and patting each other on the back. Or in terms of
the above using others to get what they want, while all the time
ignoring the monkey on each of their backs."

Neville [Nicodemus] Wright (RUBILL@gmail.com): "That is me in [the]
corner, I was born from original Sin, My Momma told Me."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "Haydon Grace born 2235
hours 19 February 2009, She's beautiful... Thanks to all of you for your
thoughts and prayers."

Diana [Saskia] Lonnie (shechinah7@reborn.com): "Prayer is the key to Heaven,

But faith unlocks the door
Words are so easily spoken
Prayer without faith is like a boat without oars
Have faith when you speak to the Master
That's all he asks you for
Prayer is the key to Heaven
But faith unlocks the door.

Amen! A song true to its words."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Congrats and good wishes
all round! And do make sure they shorten it to Haydie and not Hay,
otherwise she'll be turning round and saying 'yes ..?' every five
minutes ;) PS pics please."

(ru) dolf: "My Internet public image has been carefully managed by me,
and I believe these are the only remaining images of me on the Internet.
This picture of me was painted by Sebastian Olaf Strensen in August
1996: "Osiris as the focus for annual festivals celebrating his passion
and rebirth, is usually depicted wrapped in linen, with only his face
and hands showing, wearing a crown and holding a crook and flail--the
insignia of kingship. The deceased was identified with the Osiris in the
hope that he or she might also live a new life 'of millions of millions
of years' as a transfigured spirit." [Images are explict and contain
nudity]"

Rod [Dinger] Trueblood (firefly200861@yahoo.com): "Blasphemer!"

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "You flaunt your sexual
perversion on HIS FACE."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "'Flaunt'? Sorry, but I rarely
'flaunt' anything. And, I've got news for you, ...God already knows I'm
gay. In fact, He's known since before I was born. Scares ya, doesn't it?"

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "NO. It DISGUSTS me. And
imagine that just because you claim to be 'an ordained minister' that HE
will overlook you."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "I've never said that."

(ru) dolf: "This 1991 portrait of me (Arcadian Dreaming) was by Robert
Billington (Master of Photography, twice winner of the Hasselblad). That
image was published in the Australian Institute of Professional
Photography year-book and received a silver-award--The photographer
published a book by the title 'Rustic Paradise', with a foreward by Max
Dupain (April 1992). It is about a community that could lie anywhere in
Australia's expansive countryside." [Images are explict and contain nudity]

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "You're a LIAR. YOU DID, and
the following URL PROVES it. "

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "Don't count on it."

Rod [Dinger] Trueblood (firefly200861@yahoo.com): "Kelly has pulled that
profile of herself. I just hit the link and her profile has been pulled.
She is hiding.... "

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "Balls."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "Oooooh...impressive, you found
my profile on Classmates.com (not hard to find) and my reviews at
Amazon.com (also not hard to find)."

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "Run, fruit, RUN......... "

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "You wanted to TRY to cause
trouble for me ..... well, I can look up REAL info on you,
dearest........... you're the epitome of evil in my books."

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "Can the CRAP."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "Oh...okay, whatever you say."

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "You CLAIMED I posted that
other crappola under 'Imaskater'."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "You did post under 'Ima
Skater!'. How ridiculous of you to even deny it. But what this
ridiculous denial *does* do is prove that you were a liar then and you
are still a liar. "

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "I don't deny that I once
posted under that moniker. I DO DENY the false accusation you made
concerning "Registered Nurse" and "DEGREE". If you are so damned sure of
yourself, POST IT. I DARE YOU."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "Little do you know how much I
was FORGED back then."

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "Riiiight...sure you were... "

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "I KNOW I were."

Rheimus [NO-SPAM] Futzer (NO-SPAM@NOSPAM): "Live with it, hag."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "Thanks Jani [Juicer] and
I've wondered about shortening the name myself. I hope they don't but
I'll call her Haycee Gracee if they do. ;-) I'll send pictures soon. Off
to go visit her again today.. She gets to come home tomorrow."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Haysie Graysie in the grass

Caught the clouds and kicked the clods
Slept in hands we couldn't see
Woke and laughed at thunderstorms
Haysie Graysie in the world.

A cantrip {ie. a mischievous or playful act; a [wicked] trick} from her
wicked paganish godmother. The word minx has origins in mid 16th cent.
(denoting a pet dog), and denotes a humorous or derogatory an impudent,
cunning, or boldly flirtatious girl or young woman)."

Alexia [Blanch] Dallas (country2000@hotmail.com): "Good to see familar
names here :) How is everyone? We are very busy these days around alexia
station. My now five year old starts school this year and we are now a
soccer family. Never thought that would happen, but I suppose you can
teach an old dog new tricks haha. I pray for you all as always. I hope
you are blessed this new year."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "Notice how dark her hair
is...We're all blonds, even her mother. Her grandfather on her mothers
side is 3/4 Cherokee Indian.

An update on Simba.

He disappeared on Tuesday afternoon. No sign of him anywhere. My husband
fell in love with that dog. He's heartbroken."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "All my kids had a
completely different hair colour, at birth, from the colour they
eventually grew into :)

I'm sorry about Simba, He looked like a traditional 'good dog'."

Alexia [Blanch] Dallas (country2000@hotmail.com): "According to kelly,
it would be ok to sacrifice a child in the fire as long as it wasn't
done as a sacrifice to another god. Right, kelly?"

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "What is wrong with you?"

Alexia [Blanch] Dallas (country2000@hotmail.com): "Nothing, just using
your reasoning. You say it is OK to have homosexual acts with another
person as long as it is not done as idol worship. The problem is with you."

Kelly Ann Siebecke (316kcbk@gmail.com): "No, the problem here is
definitely with you. I didn't say what you are attributing to me. Are
you unable to comprehend what I *have* written or do you just like to
lie (no need to answer, really, the question was definitely rhetorical)."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "I love it! Just found
out this evening that her name is spelled as Hayden instead of Haydon.
They changed the spelling but forgot to tell.

May I use this or is it under copyright law? ;-) Thanks Jani [Juicer],
it's darling. You'd make a fine godmother. There is nothing wicked about
you at all!"

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Of course you can use it.
I have no copyright on what babies do :)

But, yeah, I would always prefer to be the bad fairy. I can remember
re-reading Snow White, when I was a kid, and always hoping that this
time the wicked stepmother would win. [Snow White] was such a *wimp*! ;-) "

.JackNote: Super: #71 - Know-How as a Disease/ Disease of Knowledge;
I-Ching: H38 - Opposition; Tetra: #6 - Contrariety, Ego: #21 - Guiding
and the Physical/ Emptying the Heart; I-Ching: H31 - Influence; Tetra:
#42 - Going to Meet, Nuance: #21 - Guiding and the Physical/ Emptying
the Heart; I-Ching: H31 - Influence; Tetra: #42 - Going to Meet

.Understanding: Male Idea: #71 has 0 Categories.

Female Idea: #21 has 0 Categories.

Bruce [Boots] Strangler (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "This i[s] about a crack
in my personality, so [it] is possibly related to group content. But so
far I [have] resist[ed] my base feelings and crack in personality to go
and bonk someone else in light of Father Kelly's affair with my missus.

My friends tell me I should hire a whore and get laid. They are no
longer my friends as they speak unrighteous sinful comments. I love my
wife. I miss her [and] I will meet her in the rapture and even now I
forgive her although the thought of h[im] going down on Father Kelly
makes me sick. I want her back and love her so much, I am crying."

Frau Himmel (frau_himmel@hotmail.com): "Yes, BRUCE? You hath commanded
my attention."

Bruce [Boots] Strangler (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "Hello Frau Himmel. I
hope you are well and fine."

Frau Himmel (frau_himmel@hotmail.com): "Still trying to outrun the death
grip clutches of The Strangler."

.JackNote: Super: #48 - Forgetting/ Forgetting Knowledge; I-Ching: H35 -
Progress; Tetra: #20 - Advance, Ego: #41 - Playing with Reversal/
Sameness in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 -
Accumulation, Nuance: #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in
Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 - Accumulation

.Understanding: Male Idea: #48 has 0 Categories.

Female Idea: #41 has 0 Categories.

Alexia [Blanch] Dallas (country2000@hotmail.com): "In my studies of
dreams the dream is about the dreamer rather than other people and/or
the actual Lord.

Rarely does the dreamer receive information about someone else unless
you happen to be psychic which would be very rare coming from a
fundamentalist background. Most Christians don't believe dreams have
much to offer them personally so they shuffle them under the rug as
nothing other than garbled images or they tend to make it about everyone
other than themselves.

Dreams do play a large part of our lives but it's about our life and not
someone else's life and is very symbolic in nature.

I'd be interested in hearing it to see if I can help you together but I
don't think you'd want to share it publicly. If you'd like you can email
me at the sensi4sight@yahoo.com address. Reoccurring dreams often have a
hidden message for you personally but it may not be something you're
consciously ready to accept."

Chuck (shellstamford@cox.net): "This is the last place on earth you
should ever come for medical advice, and medical advice is what you need
to rule out a physical cause before you start casting around for a
spiritual one. Consult your doctor(s), especially the one who prescribed
your sleeping medication. Make sure you let each of them know any and
all other medications (even over the counter) that you may be taking for
any reason whatsoever."

(ru) dolf: "Speaking of the Mother of all monkeys on your back! Have you
noticed that the Reich's Concordat of 20 July 1993 which was signed and
sworn as oath 'before God and on the Gospels' by the Roman Catholic
Church and the Fascist Socialist Party occurred on the festival day of
the Egyptian Mother goddess Opet."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "I could see Vera
preaching the same things for real. ;-)"

Roy Mock (roymock@gmail.com): "Surely, not to the extent that forest
fires or floods or tornadoes or tsunamis or whatever calamity is read as
God's judgment on sinful man, especially homosex[uals].

BTW we have no knowledge that 210-ish souls that perished (and many
injured) in the fires were homosexuals. The country had a day or
mourning on Sunday, and of this morning some communities have been given
notice to evacuate from pending fires."

Bruce [Boots] Strangler (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "Not really noticed
that. But I am a great fan of British Comedy. Fawlty Towers to me was
funny as.

It still makes me smile ank laugh a lots. :) In a trip to the UK a
couple of years back we actually stayed at that hotel which was run in a
theme along the lines of the program. It was a great weekend stay in
Torquay, [Devon]. So funny."

Dan Listermann (dan@listermann.com): "You are back! Do you think that
the kitchen is cooler now?"

(ru) dolf: "Don't you mean, 'and'? Unless your dyslexic, with a right
hand bias over the left."

Bruce [Boots] Strangler (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "I just learn English. I
learn it from a book and I love good Television like Monty Python and
Fawlty Towers. It makes me laugh and smile."

(ru) dolf: "The letter 'k' is on the right of most keyboards and not the
left."

Bruce [Boots] Strangler (BRUCE@notasthome.com): "Basil would be an
excellent fundamentalick if he iz not alreedy I love the episode THE
PSYCHIATREST :) also I wonder if Basil on Fawlty Towerrs allows internet
access in rooms for those who wish. The fawlty towers we stayed at in
Torquay did. So we would tell everyone how authentic and rude the
service was so they might go there too.

And ... guess what? There was not an offensive bible [o]n site like
[the] gideons thing in their bedside tables :) I liked that."

I'll Be Back (IlBeBauck@gmail.com): "The reason the Bible is always the
number one best seller is because of its life changing power . It
changes the heart and Jesus changes the Soul. No one has ever been
sorry, nor will be, for following the Lord and Creator and his
teachings. The Bible and Jesus, are relevant for today....more than ever."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "Very interesting observation. Racists
used the bible to defend slavery as a god given right. (With emphasis on
Richard Fuller 1804-1876. Domestic slavery considered as a scriptural
institution)"

Michael Christ (jesusislord@father.com): "Think about all the books on
psychology that have ever been written. It is all about Him. What a
waste of books."

I'll Be Back (IlBeBauck@gmail.com): "I'm afraid the Bible is also the
most misunderstood book of all times as well! Slavery was a popular
thing in biblical times just as sexual hedonism is today; the Bible
demands that Owners treat their Slaves fairly and equitably and there
are rules written down for guidelines. If Racists used the Bible in an
adverse manner, then you can't put that one on The Bible.

The Bible addresses just about every social topic there is, and it does
so in a fair, just, equitable, beneficial way. The main reason critics
of the Bible dont like it, is because it is a fly in their ointment to
their lifestyle choice(s) for which there is ultimate accountability.
This is the same reason why the Creator of the Universe must be shunned
or pretended that he isn't even necessary for a highly tweaked personal
Universe as ours.

It all comes down to human pride . If you can get over that, you can
realize your ultimate reason for being alive at this time in history--to
get to know the creator personally and enjoy him culminating in being
with him for eternity. Its our choice, and he simply grants it...but
forever. Choose wisely. Please."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "The bible is very clear on slavery in
that one; it does not condone the owning of people, but gives rules and
regulations on whom to own and how to treat your slaves. In other words
the bible very clearly shows that owning people is very acceptable to god."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "Actually it does
not say a word about that. God gave rules to *improve* the situations of
the slaves. I do not like long copy and paste lists taken from some
source that aims at destroying Christianity. I would prefer to talk you
about what is on your mind in this discussion group. OH, AND PLEASE TELL
CONVICTED IDIOT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD THAT JESUS IS LORD, and that I
will sing that for him soon!!! Have a great weekend."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "You['re] asking me to pass a message,
when you are posting on the same NG I am? Think about it, it's comical,
like in a TV show two people mad at each other in the same room not
talking passing little barbs through the third person in the room. Your
as a mentally ill as Andy. Time to grow up."

"I often wonder whether real conversation in real time may eventually
give way to these sanitised and easier screen dialogues, in much the
same way as killing, skinning and butchering an animal to eat has been
replaced by the convenience of packages of meat on the supermarket
shelf," Lady Greenfield told the UK Parliament.

The neuroscientist teacher of 30 years had already noticed a sharp
decline in the ability of her pupils to understand others. Facebook,
MySpace and other social networking websites are rewiring children's
brains making them more self-centered and reducing their attention
spans, Lady Greenfield warned the House of Lords.

"It is hard to see how living this way on a daily basis will not result
in brains, or rather minds, different from those of previous
generations," she said." [(c) Copyright 2009 and Courtesy, Staff
writers, The Australian newspaper 2009.2.24]

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "There is no god by your description, no
savior by your description, the bible is a book that is nothing more
than copies, borrowed myths and stories, borrowed stories that have been
changed, a little history thrown in to add some spice and make it
believable for dull witted gullible people. There is virtually not[h]ing
that is in the bible that has not been tried before in some other older
religion."

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (love8@thetruth.com): "'Name-calling is lying.'
-- Holy Spirit. Amen."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "Calling a guy an
idiot who thinks he is the Holy Spirit himself is no name calling anyway."

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (love8@thetruth.com): "Actually, the Holy Spirit
is absolutely right that name-calling is lying."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "By the way, I have
just been using my friend Carola's internet connection, in case you
wonder. The Berlin university server was down for a while, so she
allowed me to use hers. Sorry if this has caused confusion."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "Tell the mental patient your self, I'm
not your lackey."

Martin [Matt] Chikitita (usenet21@etiqa.co.uk): "No, Heini-Susie-Carola,
there's no confusion. There might be some muffled laughter the next time
you tell people that Vera means 'truth', though."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): " Chung just posted
because he was being ignored in the past 24 hours or so. He is trolling
now. The worst thing to do to Chunks is to ignore him. He withers and
dies when he doesn't get attention. He can't feed his pathologic
narcissism and his delusion that he is persecuted by Satan via Usenet.
His pathetic trolling posts become more numerous as he hopes to hook
others and he always manages to get someone to take the bait.

I propose ignoring Chung entirely for 7 days."

Smiler (Smiler@Joe.King.com): "7 years would be better."

Jani [Minx] Juicer (jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Can't you get a f.cking 
job rather than annoying the hell out of everyone just for the sake of it."

Smiler (Smiler@Joe.King.com): "But who would employ him? As far as I can
tell he's unemployable. He's too much of a liability for any employer to
take on."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "I am with you on
that."

Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi4sight@home.com): "I heard on the news a
few days ago that they were about to make an arrest on the arsonist. So,
I don't know what Fred/Vera and those like-minded thinkers would have to
say since it wasn't God's fury coming down on people, after all. ;-)"

Haywire (parish.matt@gmail.com): "Seconded."

Roy Mock (roymock@gmail.com): "Now that would be interesting if those
arsonists were found to be homosexuals yet spared from bush-fire hell
while many innocent perished. Cheers."

olde.sault (Olde.Sault@gmail.com): "I don't think the gays are doing too
badly when we think back to the days when they were imprisoned. Not all
supposed gays are true homosexuals and it shouldn't be a lifestyle
encouraged especially with the spread of today's diseases."

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "Changes are being made to the way gay couples
are treated by the welfare system - and about time too.

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "Gay couples have for a long time been after
the same treatment as married couples in the areas of superannuation,
inheritance, welfare, tax etc. But it seems they were only after the
"good bits". Now they've discovered the sting in the tail. They will
soon be invasively assessed just like heterosexual couples and many may
loose taxpayer provided benefits - and aren't they complaining!

Simon Organic (nofarkenway@gmail.com): "Well, well, how about that!!.
Looks like the butt rapers are discovering that equality does have some
drawbacks."

Muriel Hyslop (me@me.me): "I don't see what the problem is. Couples in
heterosexual relationships have to endure this type of scrutiny for
decades. If I loose my job, and my wife continues to work there's no
Centrelink payment for me. If I have a business, and want to
income-split with my wife, I have to justify to the ATO that my wife is
working a number of hours commensurate with her salary. Why shouldn't it
be the same for homosexual couples? Especially when they are the ones
calling for "equality".

A Western Australian gay senator once famously boasted that his partner
was at home on welfare while he worked. It seems ironic that the Gay
Reform that he no doubt fought for will now put an end to this practice.'"

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "Dolf, I love you!
:-) You say it, man!"

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "LOL, ROTHL! Be big girl and post it your
self."

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "I would, but I
have blocked him for years now. I cannot even READ him write 'JESUS IS
LORD!!!', so I am not sure if he has ever written that, but he needs to
know about it. I have never heard him say it, that is sure. It is
important for him to know that he has to say 'JESUS IS LORD' with his
mouth, and he should do it soon, before Jesus comes back. If you inform
him that Jesus is LORD, you can as well tell him about Jesus Second
Coming at the same occasion. THANK YOU!"

(ru) dolf: "You are lying as a fascist rabid dog and banshee whore!"

Veralein the Truth Checker (carolabecker@lycos.com): "No, I do not want
to block all the fifty e-mail addies of him in my block filter, sorry,
but I will block whom I choose to block, and Andrew is blocked, not so
much for his smear but for his spamming. Please also tell him that it is
'cum Spiritu Sancto', and not 'cum Spiritus Sancti' as he claimed - just
in case he meant Latin."

Roy Mock (roymock@gmail.com): "Is 'cum Spiritus Sancti' a valid
expression, too? My guess is that Andrew inadvertantly reversed the
order of 'Sancto' and 'Spiritu'. Cheers."

(ru) dolf: "Fr. James (fatherjames@ymail.com) does have a fiery temper
and a great deal of intolerance as the Internet persona Anthanasia
responsible for the racial, sexual and religious vilification which led
to my ANZAC day arrest of 25 April 2006."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "Your god has no ability to do anything. I
choose what to say; when and where I want. Take your meds Andy."

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (love8@thetruth.com): "If what you wrote were
true, you would have provided a link to a YouTube video showing your
publicly saying "Jesus is LORD" when and where you want."

Fred Thomas (1876FT@aol.com): "The mind of a narcissistic fool. LOL!
Feeble attempt at reverse psychology."

- dolf
-
http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html#formidea@zen:5,row:9,col:4,nous:70

>> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>
> Andrew <><
J666 - 25 Feb 2009 00:55 GMT
> The boasting of scientists reminds folks of those who bragged that the
> Titanic was unsinkable.

Seems you too have made predictions which did not come true
Don Kirkman - 25 Feb 2009 04:43 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <5vt8q4ht94kilh7i0c0lojspmtbms8si6j@4ax.com>:

>> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>>>Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>>>time:

>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

>>Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
>>scientists to develop a vaccine that prevents all strains of flu
>>including avian and.

>The boasting of scientists reminds folks of those who bragged that the
>Titanic was unsinkable.

Publishing peer-reviewed research is not boasting; claiming to have
special knowledge of God and evolution and VAT and blasphemy and
diabetes and what Jesus wants does seem to be a tad  bit boastful.

>Meanwhile, virologists are shaking their heads at the wild claims of
>those who would "weave an invisible garment for the emperor."

So you can see them--in the Holy Spirit, of course--shaking their
heads?  And can you cite some of those wild claims with your evidence
for their wildness?
Signature

Don Kirkman
donsno2@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 05:58 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >>scientists to develop a **vaccine that prevents all strains of flu**
> >>including avian and.

**emphasis** added.

> >The boasting of scientists reminds folks of those who bragged that the
> >Titanic was unsinkable.
>
> Publishing peer-reviewed research is not boasting;

Depends on the claims being made in the publication.

> claiming to have
> special knowledge of God and evolution and VAT and blasphemy and
> diabetes and what Jesus wants does seem to be a tad  bit boastful.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> >Meanwhile, virologists are shaking their heads at the wild claims of
> >those who would "weave an invisible garment for the emperor."
>
> So you can see them--in the Holy Spirit, of course--shaking their
> heads?

Would not be able to type and post on usenet if I could not see.

Truth is simple.

> And can you cite some of those wild claims with your evidence
> for their wildness?

See **emphasis** above and ...

"Feb 24, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – The world's capacity to produce vaccines
for an influenza pandemic has risen sharply in the past 2 years, but
it would still take an estimated 4 years to meet the global demand if
a pandemic emerged now, according to a report from an international
strategy consulting firm."

Source:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/feb2409vaccine-jw.html

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Anon - 25 Feb 2009 06:49 GMT
Yes, Buddha's advances our knowledge of good versus evil

"Blessed are you who are holy NOW...

... for you will achieve satori."

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Buddha given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.buddhism

Trust the truth, Who is Buddha :

http://groups.google.com/group/buddhism/msg/11194899724b810d?

Be holier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/buddhism/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our  LORD Buddha,

Andrew
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Feb 2009 07:20 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Don Kirkman - 26 Feb 2009 00:49 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <obn9q4p014tj8o76e3lu8q277v1ifbnja9@4ax.com>:

>> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>> >>>Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>> >>>time:

>> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
>>
>> >>Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
>> >>scientists to develop a **vaccine that prevents all strains of flu**
>> >>including avian and.

>**emphasis** added.

The emphasis is meaningless; it changes nothing in the statement.
Besides, that's my statement, not that of the researchers.

>> >The boasting of scientists reminds folks of those who bragged that the
>> >Titanic was unsinkable.

>> Publishing peer-reviewed research is not boasting;

>Depends on the claims being made in the publication.

Since you probably have not read the publication, you have no evidence
of boasting, then, have you?

>> claiming to have
>> special knowledge of God and evolution and VAT and blasphemy and
>> diabetes and what Jesus wants does seem to be a tad  bit boastful.

>Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Your opinion is yours, but nobody shares it with you.  You have been
repeating this meaningless and misleading citation for several years
now.

>> >Meanwhile, virologists are shaking their heads at the wild claims of
>> >those who would "weave an invisible garment for the emperor."

>> So you can see them--in the Holy Spirit, of course--shaking their
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>> heads?

>Would not be able to type and post on usenet if I could not see.

Dodging the question again.  My question was can you see THEM, not
merely wondering about your ability to see.

>Truth is simple.

And in this case, self-evident.

>> And can you cite some of those wild claims with your evidence
>> for their wildness?

>See **emphasis** above and ...

Meaningless.  And no evidence of the claims wildness forthcoming.

>"Feb 24, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – The world's capacity to produce vaccines
>for an influenza pandemic has risen sharply in the past 2 years, but
>it would still take an estimated 4 years to meet the global demand if
>a pandemic emerged now, according to a report from an international
>strategy consulting firm."

>Source:

>http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/feb2409vaccine-jw.html

That may well be, but it doesn't invalidate the research or the
potential for a vaccine to prevent all strains of influenza.  

>"The lot is cast into the lap,  but its every decision is from the
>LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

No decision is pending, so hold the lot casting until one comes along.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Feb 2009 03:10 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> The emphasis is meaningless;

It underscores the boasting.

> it changes nothing in the statement.

Instead, it serves well to underscore the boasting.

> Besides, that's my statement, not that of the researchers.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly undermine your own arguments while updating folks
on your still being unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

May GOD soften up your heart so you would come to trust the truth, Who
is Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Amen.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Don Kirkman - 26 Feb 2009 07:43 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<1e838ae3-a5c7-4996-9f33-1bab94311b18@u1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>> >> >>> Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>> >> >>> time:

>> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
>> >>
>> >> >>Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
>> >> >>scientists to develop a **vaccine that prevents all strains of flu**
>> >> >>including avian and.

>> > **emphasis** added.

>> The emphasis is meaningless;

>It underscores the boasting.

You can't underscore something doesn't exist; you still haven't given
any examples of boasting.  And you can't underscore in newsgroups
unless you post in HTML.

>> it changes nothing in the statement.

>Instead, it serves well to underscore the boasting.
>
>> Besides, that's my statement, not that of the researchers.

Then start by showing the boasting.  Simply claiming it means nothing.

>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>you to unwittingly undermine your own arguments while updating folks
>on your still being unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

Totally irrational and unrelated to the original point--that
scientists have reported a possible breakthrough toward a vaccine that
can prevent influenza.  All the added folderol about boasting is from
you, no one else.

>May GOD soften up your heart so you would come to trust the truth, Who
>is Jesus:

I know truth when I see it, and I don't see any in your writings.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Feb 2009 09:22 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> You can't underscore something doesn't exist; you still haven't given
> any examples of boasting.

Whenever the claim is made about a "vaccine that prevents all strains
of flu" in the setting of all other vaccines that prevent only a
limited number of strains of flu, this would be a boast just as the
claim that "the Titanic is unsinkable" was a boast in the setting of
all other ships that sink when struck by icebergs.

GOD enjoys sinking the proud boasts of godless men.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Jeremiah 9:24 leads me to write that most
assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind, just,
and right.

May GOD soften your heart so that you come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
http://JiL4ever.net
Don Kirkman - 26 Feb 2009 21:42 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<fcb2fce4-f556-4d65-9a11-f63a3f6c98fc@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>:

>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>> >> >> >>> Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>> >> >> >>> time:

>> >> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

>> >> >> >>Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
>> >> >> >>scientists to develop a **vaccine that prevents all strains of flu**
>> >> >> >>including avian and.

>> >> > **emphasis** added.

>> >> The emphasis is meaningless;

>> > It underscores the boasting.

>> You can't underscore something doesn't exist; you still haven't given
>> any examples of boasting.

>Whenever the claim is made about a "vaccine that prevents all strains
>of flu" in the setting of all other vaccines that prevent only a
>limited number of strains of flu, this would be a boast just as the
>claim that "the Titanic is unsinkable" was a boast in the setting of
>all other ships that sink when struck by icebergs.

Just as I assumed--you have no idea what the researchers are
reporting.  You simply assume you know their results without bothering
to learn--even from the media, which reported it clearly--that they
have discovered a new approach that avoids the mutation problem,
instead going directly to how the virus attaches to and invades the
cell.

>GOD enjoys sinking the proud boasts of godless men.

How do you know these researchers are "godless"?

God hasn't, in this case, sunk any boasts, and neither have you.  In
fact, you have still failed to show evidence of any boasts at all.

You have simply exhibited your vanity, your cramped understanding of
both God and evolution, and your inability to accept wisdom from
anyone who does not agree with you.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Feb 2009 22:03 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>Just as I assumed--you have no idea what the researchers are
>reporting.

It seems you are now having a written discourse with yourself since
you are the one who wrote "scientists to develop a  **vaccine that
prevents all strains of flu** including avian..."

**emphasis** retained.

Your still being guided by the spirit of error (self) affirms you
still do not have the help of the Holy Spirit.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your still being unable to publicly
say "Jesus is LORD."

May GOD soften your heart so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
http://JiL4ever.net
Don Kirkman - 27 Feb 2009 00:39 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <ct3eq49gt08aat3itrctk4ikcq2k84reiq@4ax.com>:

>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spiit,boldly wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> Andrew. in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>>>> >> >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

>>>> >> >> >>> Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
>>>> >> >> >>> time:

>>>> >> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

>>>> >> >> >>Another sign has appeared on the horizon that God may be enabling
>>>> >> >> >>scientists to develop a **vaccine that prevents all strains of flu**
>>>> >> >> >>including avian and.

>>>> You can't underscore something doesn't exist; you still haven't given
>>>> any examples of boasting.

>>>Whenever the claim is made about a "vaccine that prevents all strains
>>>of flu" in the setting of all other vaccines that prevent only a
>>>limited number of strains of flu, this would be a boast just as the
>>>claim that "the Titanic is unsinkable" was a boast in the setting of
>>>all other ships that sink when struck by icebergs.

>>Just as I assumed--you have no idea what the researchers are
>>reporting.

>It seems you are now having a written discourse with yourself since
>you are the one who wrote "scientists to develop a  **vaccine that
>prevents all strains of flu** including avian..."

No, that simply exposes your sloppiness and dishonesty in falsely
attacking others whose research produces results contrary to your
intuitions.

>Your still being guided by the spirit of error (self) affirms you
>still do not have the help of the Holy Spirit.

I take my affirmations directly from my spiritual source, never from
you.

>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
>you to unwittingly update folks on your still being unable to publicly
>say "Jesus is LORD."

You should join forces with Old Ironjustice; you both excel in cutting
and pasting; in selecting evidence for your unfounded beliefs, not so
much.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Feb 2009 00:30 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> attacking others whose research produces results contrary to your
> intuitions.

Would suggest you re-read the above as many times as required until
you gain understanding.

May GOD soften your heart so you come to trust the truth, Who is
Jesus:

http://T3WIJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
http://JiL4ever.net
al - 23 Feb 2009 14:09 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Jesus is LORD, forever ! ! !
> http://JiL4ever.net

A REALLY stupid answer by Chung to reasonable questions raised by Bill
M.  Andy is a squirming, spamming dick.
MU - 23 Feb 2009 15:51 GMT
> A REALLY stupid answer by Chung to reasonable questions raised by Bill
> M.  Andy is a squirming, spamming dick.

Alas, the children post on.

*plonk*
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