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Prepare the way for the LORD: Atheism has been slain

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Nov 2008 20:43 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/AtheismIsDead

... and satan's children are panicking:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/474df93de7c1b284?

Halleluyah ! ! !

Yeshua is Adonai ! ! !

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Bill M - 18 Nov 2008 16:52 GMT
Your delusional. See a psychitrist.

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AtheismIsDead
>
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>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Nicodemus - 18 Nov 2008 22:10 GMT
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:WMGUk.65978$kh2.33682
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> psychitrist

Did you mean to say  A psychiatrist' (also archaically called an
alienist) is a physician who specializes in psychiatry and is certified
in treating mental disorders.

I understand you are saying that "you" do not believe in God.

You do not believe in your Eternal Soul

May you gather your prospects 'bring forth your best 'offerings to the
alter of your choice  is it time  can han you hear the whisper?
Anon - 18 Nov 2008 21:16 GMT
So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
Nicodemus - 18 Nov 2008 21:28 GMT
Anon <hate30@the.lie.com> wrote in news:hate30-CFA61C.14164718112008
@news.usenetmonster.com:

> So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
> them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".

When you can Rise Above Your Secular Prison Ye Shall Be Free.
Nicodemus - 18 Nov 2008 21:52 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AtheismIsDead
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?

The children of the curse.

Most people talk about curses in the scriptures and operate from the
misconception that it doesn’t apply to them. Curses in scriptures were
generational and passed down from Parent to child.

2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
children of a curse,

The children of a curse spoken of long ago in history that people
never took to heart, being led astray to worship foreign mighty ones
that did not profit them.  Everybody has assumed that the great
prophets were Daniel, Isaiah and Revelation but never really
understood Moses made prophecies that apply to “the latter days”.
Yes, Moses was in fact a latter day prophet!

Deu 4:30 “In your distress, when all these words shall come upon you
*in the latter days*, then you shall return to ???? your Elohim and
shall obey His voice.

Here we are, probably 4000 years later, have all these words come on
you?  Have you considered Moses a prophet speaking to you?  Chances
are, probably not...  Most of us don’t or won’t understand the books
of the Torah because we consider them speaking of a people that were
long ago dead and buried.  We never stop to think that Moses as a
latter day prophet.  Because we don’t apply these words to our lives..
always believing it speaks to others (the tribe of Israel), we don’t
take it to our own hearts and minds...  We don’t deeply consider the
words of the Torah, a great mistake that has engulfed everybody and I
mean EVERYBODY.

Christians read Deuteronomy as a curse because Apostle Paul.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”

The foundational teachings of Christians can be summed up in this one
verse, the greatest LIE of the New Testament church.@  Israel and
Judah, Christians and the entire world are cursed but not for the
reason we read here in Galatians.  People have given over authority to
Apostle Paul having been conditioned from birth as the, “children of a
curse”.

Those who have accepted Paul’s authority over Moses and by extension,
YAHWEH, assume wrongly that Paul had authority to change the Torah...
everybody has made this same mistake, Judah, Messianics and Christians
are all the children of the curse along with the entire world, the
curse of unbelief and the curse of following false authority.
Christians for the most part have no desire to keep the Torah and the
Messianic (Torah “observant” Christians) claim to keep Torah but
arrogance runs deep in this community on a whole. But what does the
Torah say?

Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
away from it1, so as to guard the commands of ???? your Elohim which I
am commanding you.

Nobody had authority to change the word of the Torah given by YAHWEH.
A common mistake is to call it, “The law of Moses.”  This is a mistake
because it assumes Moses as the Author of the Commandments and clearly
scriptures say they were written by none other then YAHWEH.

Exo 31:18 And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He
gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with
the finger of Elohim.

Written by the finger of YAHWEH, not Moses, the TEN COMMANDMENTS are
the covenant given to Israel and were only delivered by Moses.  Why do
people name it after the messenger?  No sane person can argue that the
covenant of Moses given on Mt. Sinai was 10 commandments and yet, all
we hear about from one side is no law and the other side says 613 laws
and nothing in the middle.

Most people are afraid of the fact that the covenant is only Ten
Commandments and they will try to misquote James when Paul is
invalidated by ripping him out of context, as if brother James is a
higher authority then the Messiah, Moses or YAHWEH.  I tell you now..
they don’t understand him either.

Mat 11:30 “For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.”

People go around throwing condemnation on everybody else and if you
don’t agree with them it’s because of many things ... just read the
post to follow this and you’ll see...  They may even include a passage
of scripture in that condemnation as if it’s a weapon to be wielded
against anybody that doesn’t agree with them and they never stop to
consider, it applies to the author first.  Most of the people won’t
have even read this far into this letter before finding some silly
point to jump on and condemn me... they probably will stop at the
earlier @ sign and respond because they are too lazy to actually read
an entire thought.  They don’t care, they log on and are looking for
something to attack, they are not looking for the truth.
The truth is the covenant is only Ten Commandments:  Deu 4:13 “And He
made known to you His covenant which He commanded you to do, the Ten
Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

I can’t say that enough, Ten Commandments written in stone.  So why do
we hear people talk about 613 commandments?  Simply put it is a
failure of recognition between different layers of laws!

Deu 11:1  “And you shall love ???? your Elohim and guard His Charge1:
even His laws, and His right-rulings, and His commands, always.
Footnote: 1See Gen. 26:5.

First off, the idea that the book of Deuteronomy and Exodus are the
introduction of the Law is a lie.  The Torah was since the beginning
in effect and we find the same words used in Gen 26:5 long before the
Mt. Sinai covenant.

Gen 26:5 because Ab?raham obeyed My voice and guarded My Charge:
My commands,
My laws,
and My Torot.”

Four (4) levels of the Torah are spoken of.  Yahweh’s voice being
first.  If Yahweh tells you something personally, obey it.  Then after
his voice is his commandments, the 10 given on mount Sinai and a
couple of others such as Passover observance and Sabbaths which are
plural because we have more then just the weekly Sabbath.

Then we have Laws and right rulings or in KJV speak, ordinances.  This
is not to diminish the importance of laws but to believe apostle Paul
and prevailing Christian logic, we must believe that Yahweh freed his
people from Pharaoh and then took them into the desert and said here
are 613 commandments and if you fail to follow even one of them, your
cursed and will be destroyed.

To believe James misquote… we must also subscribe to that same faulty
logic.

Jas 2:10 For whoever shall guard all the Torah, and yet stumble in one
point, he is guilty of all.

Many times Christian quote this single verse to say that if you don’t
follow the smallest ordinance your guilty of murder!  What they don’t
do is continue to the next verse that reads:

Jas 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not
murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you
have become a transgressor of Torah.

Clearly even James believed the Torah was the Ten Commandments and he
illustrates this by listing two of them.  This teaching is also put
forward by Yehoshua the Messiah:

Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
shall I do to have everlasting life?”
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And ????? said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”

We see in the footnotes the same statement is included in Luke, John
and Revelation.  He says without any doubt that everlasting life is
based only on keeping the covenant of 10 commandments.  So what of the
curse that Apostle Paul speaks of?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”

In plain terms, it is NOT WRITTEN!  At no point in the Torah is such a
statement ever written.  Paul has added words to the Torah and he
never had that authority to do it.  This curse by Paul is a great
deception and most people just assume from childhood conditioning that
somehow Paul has authority to change what is written...  What is
written in the Torah?

Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the commands of ???? your Elohim
which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of ???? your
Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to go
after other mighty ones which you have not known.

So, if you believe Paul over Yahweh, you have followed another and
made him your mighty one!  The curse is if you do not obey the
commands.. but at no point does it ever say, “in all that has been
written in the book of the Torah”.. That is a lie!  Boldfaced ...
added words to the Torah and not true!

The curse is if you do not establish the words of the Torah...
Deu 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this
Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Ame(n!’

But at no point does it ever say that you will die for not having
followed the temple ordinance of many other things that Jew’s wrongly
call commandments. They are not commandments and they know this...
they recognize that there are not 613 commandments and yet they allow
this false teaching to continue.. they to have added words to the
Torah.. it’s that simple... You want to enter into everlasting life..
Believe Yehoshua and keep the commandment... the rest of the Torah is
a WAY OF LIFE.

Psa 19:7 The Torah of ???? is perfect, bringing back the being; The
witness of ???? is trustworthy, making wise the simple;

When we understand that only 10 commandment the essential thing to
guard, we move forward understanding that his yoke is light and the
way is easy.

Deu 6:2 so that you fear ???? your Elohim, to guard all His laws and
His commands which I command you, you and your son and your grandson,
all the days of your life, and that your days be prolonged.

So the commandments were for life, not a curse as Paul says.
Ultimately then, I personally reject Paul’s authority!  This does not
mean that I condemn people who do follow Paul because that is not my
job and it is a personal choice to make.

In Paul I find judgment and condemnation is the prevailing thought and
the idea that “we are unable to be righteous” besides the fact that
many men in scriptures were righteous.  Paul also puts forward the
wrong idea that a son is condemned for the sins of his Father, an
argument easily refuted in the Torah and Prophets.

Pro 6:23 For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And
reproofs of discipline a way of life,

The Torah is a “way of life”, not a curse.  We are only cursed if by
sin... it is sin that destroys us and if we believe that we can
continue to sin and have grace then we bear no yoke and have given up
without even attempting to be righteous and let our good fruits
glorify our Father.

Gal 5:1  In the freedom with which Messiah has made us free, stand
firm, then, and do not again be held with a yoke of slavery.

You are not free to sin and if you do, you are, “the children of the
curse”.  The curse is sin and yoke you bear is that of the Messiah and
you do so willingly.

Psa 119:5 Oh, that my ways were established To guard Your laws!
Psa 119:6 Then I would not be ashamed, When I look into all Your
commands.
Psa 119:7 I thank You with uprightness of heart, When I learn the
right-rulings of Your righteousness.
Psa 119:8 I guard Your laws; Oh, do not leave me entirely!
Psa 119:9 How would a young man cleanse his path. To guard it
according to Your word?

Ten commandments and a simple choice.. life or death are on your
tongue.

Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those
loving it eat its fruit.

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Hallalujah
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Nov 2008 22:19 GMT
satan masquerading as Nicodemus via a sockpuppet despairingly posted:
>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote::
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>The children of the curse.

That your children are for you are accursed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

Otoh, by being mindful of WDJW...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/WDJW

... we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), are able to
escape the curse that is upon all those who falsely believe salvation
is achievable by works.

"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

Amen.

"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(Matthew 11:30)

Amen.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD desires (WDJW):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/WDJW

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6dz5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Anon - 19 Nov 2008 04:20 GMT
So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Nov 2008 08:41 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Virgil - 19 Nov 2008 19:58 GMT
So long as people worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Nov 2008 23:39 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Anon - 24 Nov 2008 00:37 GMT
A little old man shuffled slowly into "Kilwins", an ice cream parlor in
Spanish Springs-The Villages, and pulled himself slowly, painfully, up
onto a stool.

After catching his breath he ordered a banana split.

The waitress asked kindly, "Crushed nuts?"

"No," he replied, arthritis.
bob young - 19 Nov 2008 11:45 GMT
> So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
> them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".

Good point

Bob
Nicodemus - 25 Nov 2008 22:22 GMT
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in news:4923FAE4.DFB3BCB5
@netvigator.com:

>> So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
>> his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bob

In some of my quite moments, while The bEHEMoth digests,

Have you Lighted A Fire?

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Nov 2008 01:12 GMT
> satan via another sockpuppet despairingly posted:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Have you Lighted A Fire?

The lake of fire will consume them:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6b5ed2ca868902b1?

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Anon - 27 Nov 2008 01:42 GMT
So long as diverse peoples worship diverse gods, and each such people
claims all but its own god to be  false, those of us who see ALL gods as
false  are closest to the truth.
Nicodemus - 27 Nov 2008 22:26 GMT
Anon <hate30@the.lie.com> wrote in news:hate30-E4966D.18422026112008
@news.usenetmonster.com:

> So long as diverse peoples worship diverse gods, and each such people
> claims all but its own god to be  false, those of us who see ALL gods as
> false  are closest to the truth.

In Fellowship regarding the higher mysteries, it belongs to every member
to belong in The Greatest Story Ever Told, may imagination fill your
greatest wonders, from the first breath and the first wonder  you have
become the greatest witness.

May The Most Wonderful Spiritual Blessing Fill and Light Your Path..

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Nov 2008 08:17 GMT
> In Fellowship regarding the higher mysteries, it belongs to every member
> to belong in The Greatest Story Ever Told, may imagination fill your
> greatest wonders, from the first breath and the first wonder  you have
> become the greatest witness.
>
> May The Most Wonderful Spiritual Blessing Fill and Light Your Path..

May you and other dear friends, and brethren have a blessedly
wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Fred Thomas - 18 Nov 2008 22:54 GMT
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AtheismIsDead
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> misconception that it doesn't apply to them. Curses in scriptures were
> generational and passed down from Parent to child.

It doesn't, the people who wrote the texts believed in curses were
surreptitious. They believed gods held up planets. They believed if they were
bad gods would bring bad weather. They believed there was wind and snow gods.
They believed there were son gods. They believed mental ill people were being
controlled by invisible people.

> 2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
> from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
[quoted text clipped - 313 lines]
>
> Hallalujah
Darkwing - 18 Nov 2008 23:08 GMT
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AtheismIsDead
>>
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> The children of the curse.

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All this hell, fire and brimstone makes me sleepy.
 
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