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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2008Daily Spirit-guided thought for 07/27/08
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/568732d7780579f6? May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an unoriginal invention. As one example: Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome, were supposedly virgin births with the god Mars being the father. If jesus had actually been capable of miracle healings, and raising the dead, it would have been well known to the Jewish and Roman authorities of the time. Both entities had very good intelligence on what was going on with the populace. The authorities of the time had trusted informants who told them what was going on in the populace. Those informants were capable of witnessing miracle cures and the rasing of people from the dead, and then reporting those things back. The Romans, in particluar, were very superstitious and willing to respect and take in other peoples' "gods". Everyone would have had an interest in keeping him alive. Nearly everyone had relatives and friends who could have used a dose of miracle healing. And, of course, people lived in fear of disease and injury for themselves. But there were also always people wandering around claiming to be able to do miracles then, as there are now. Benny Hinn? Jesus was a faker. If jesus were capable of performing miracles, nothing stopped him from doing so in front of the Jewish authorities, or the the Roman authorities, and immediately acquiring stature and authority. The Roman governor probably would have sought to gain favor in Rome by shipping him back to the Emperor, if jesus were for real. If Jesus actually could perform miracles cures and raising from the dead, the LAST thing anyone would have done was kill him. He would have been too useful. Additionally, if jesus actually had shown the power of doing miracle cures and raising the dead, who would want to insult and provoke such a power, or the power behind him? The Gospel of Thomas has numerous anecdotes about the child Jesus abusing his magical powers: transforming his playmates into goats, or turning mud into sparrows; or giving his father assistance by lengthening a piece of wood. Bottom line - it's all made up for fools, and there's never been any shortage of them, and you're just another example. > The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in > various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > cures and raising the dead, who would want to insult and provoke such > a power, or the power behind him? That's some interesting supposition on your part. However, it was foretold many times over what the Christ would do, how He would be born, where He would be born etc, etc. So you're right, none of it was original, it was all spelled out centuries before Jesus was born. Giving plenty of time for cults and pagans to come up with mimicries. Everything about the Christ, all that He would do, which Jesus did over and over again, and that He would be murdered for it, which he was, was foretold way, way ahead of time. Then He Resurrected which affected the entire world in a way and to a magnitude that it has never been affected before or since. You can't make any more sense out of the irrational behavior of Israel and Rome, than you can the irrational behavior exhibited by mankind throughout history. But they behaved exactly like it was foretold they would, and did exactly what it was foretold they would do. And the aftermath resulted in exactly what it was foretold would result. Even you were affected by it, or else you wouldn’t be writing about it. > The Gospel of Thomas has numerous anecdotes about the child Jesus > abusing his magical powers: transforming his playmates into goats, or > turning mud into sparrows; or giving his father assistance by > lengthening a piece of wood. Which would make the "Gospel of Thomas" completely and totally out of sync with the real gospels and the Old Testament, and therefore worthless by any historical or literary standard. Plus, the real gospel made it clear that Jesus didn't perform any miracles before turning water into wine. He said to His mother when she asked this of Him, "my time has not yet come" clearly indicating He hadn't transformed anything before then. > Bottom line - it's all made up for fools, and there's never been any > shortage of them, and you're just another example. God offers people a completely free gift, the greatest gift anyone could ask for, and all they have to do is accept it. But instead, they come up with anything and everything to reject it. Then and now. Talk about foolishness. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8 J A wrote: > The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in > various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > cures and raising the dead, who would want to insult and provoke such > a power, or the power behind him? That's some interesting supposition on your part. However, it was foretold many times over what the Christ would do, Really? Where? Give your sources. <snip> > <smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com> wrote in message > That's some interesting supposition on your part. However, it was > foretold many times over what the Christ would do, > > Really? Where? Give your sources. All you need to do is put "messianic prophecy" into a search engine. This is one of the first hits that came up for me: http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/old_testament_messiah.htm There is virtually endless material dealing with this to draw from. From my perspective, the continuity of the weave of this pattern can become so complex as to become downright mind boggling. In my experience, when you are really familiar with the New Testament, and you read the Old Testament, you keep seeing the Christ, Jesus, popping up over and over and over. Reference upon reference upon reference regarding the Messiah, fulfilled by Christ Jesus over and over and over. “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.” John 5:24 friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > > friend <smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > he has crossed over from death to life." > John 5:24 Amen. May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? On Jul 27, 9:46 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: > <smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com> wrote in message > That's some interesting supposition on your part. However, it was > foretold many times over what the Christ would do, > > Really? Where? Give your sources. All you need to do is put "messianic prophecy" into a search engine. This is one of the first hits that came up for me: < But none if it is credible. There were long existing myth systems that the jesus myth attempted to borrow from and adapt to, to make it look like it was fulfilling this or that "prophecy". However, no histroians at the time even mention jesus, much less discuss a genuine performer of miracles, a person rising from the dead, or some supernatural being who was fulfilling prophecies. Jesus's birth is a made-up story which had problems in terms of "prophesises".. When the Gospels were written many years after Jesus's death, nobody knew where he had been born. An Old Testament prophecy Micah 5: 2 said to expect that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. In the light of this prophecy John's Gospel specifically remarks that his followers were surprised that he was not born in Bethlehem, but came out of Galilee. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke handle this problem differently. They decide that Jesus must have been born in Bethlehem after all. But they get him there by different routes. Matthew has Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem all along, moving to Nazareth only long after the birth of Jesus, on their return from Egypt where they fled from King Herod. Luke on the other hand, acknowledges that Mary and Joseph lived in Nazareth before Jesus was born. So how to get them to Bethlehem at the crucial moment in order to to fulfill the prophecy? Luke says that Caesar Augustus decreed a census for taxation purposes, and everybody had to go to his own home city. And, that Joseph was out of the house and linage of David and therefore had to go to the city of David which is called Bethlehem. That's the story, even though David had lived a thousand years before. And you know he didn't fulfill "prophecies" becasue the jews rejected him for the reasons below: Jesus as the Messiah? by Rabbi Shraga Simmons Question: Why did the majority of the Jewish world reject Jesus as the Messiah, and why did the first Christians accept Jesus as the Messiah? Answer It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics: 5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology 6) Jews and Gentiles 7) Bringing the Messiah ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended. B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! C. TORAH OBSERVANCE The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4) Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. A. VIRGIN BIRTH The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods. B. CRUCIFIXION The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet." C. SUFFERING SERVANT Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant." In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun. Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus. From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation -- i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person. Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4). Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8): The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy. What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us -- who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3) Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination, and the one most familiar to the Western world. A. GOD AS THREE? The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19). Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies. In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert. B. MAN AS GOD? Christians believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19). Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3) J A wrote: > The rising from the dead myth had been around long before jesus in > various Mediterranean religious cults. Similarly, virgin birth was an [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > cures and raising the dead, who would want to insult and provoke such > a power, or the power behind him? (you) That's some interesting supposition on your part. However, it was foretold many times over what the Christ would do, how He would be born, where He would be born etc, etc. So you're right, none of it was original, it was all spelled out centuries before Jesus was born. Giving plenty of time for cults and pagans to come up with mimicries. Everything about the Christ, all that He would do, which Jesus did over and over again, and that He would be murdered for it, which he was, was foretold way, way ahead of time. Then He Resurrected which affected the entire world in a way and to a magnitude that it has never been affected before or since. You can't make any more sense out of the irrational behavior of Israel and Rome, than you can the irrational behavior exhibited by mankind throughout history. But they behaved exactly like it was foretold they would, and did exactly what it was foretold they would do. And the aftermath resulted in exactly what it was foretold would result. Even you were affected by it, or else you wouldn’t be writing about it. (me) The only problem with this is that the ideas or concept of this prophesy you talk about in the centuries before the Christ came? It was not the "cults or pagans" that came up with the "mimicries", it was the Christians. The writings of the old and new testament are not that old. They are the "mimicries". > The Gospel of Thomas has numerous anecdotes about the child Jesus > abusing his magical powers: transforming his playmates into goats, or > turning mud into sparrows; or giving his father assistance by > lengthening a piece of wood. Which would make the "Gospel of Thomas" completely and totally out of sync with the real gospels and the Old Testament, and therefore worthless by any historical or literary standard. Plus, the real gospel made it clear that Jesus didn't perform any miracles before turning water into wine. He said to His mother when she asked this of Him, "my time has not yet come" clearly indicating He hadn't transformed anything before then. > Bottom line - it's all made up for fools, and there's never been any > shortage of them, and you're just another example. God offers people a completely free gift, the greatest gift anyone could ask for, and all they have to do is accept it. But instead, they come up with anything and everything to reject it. Then and now. Talk about foolishness. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8 friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. > Romans 5:8 Amen. However, Christ did not die for the eternal condemned, which are those who have unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee019444a6840972? For this reason, it remains wise to simply rebuke satan at each GOD- given opportunity and move on: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > However, Christ did not die for the eternal condemned, which are those > who have unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit: Of course not - the christ never lived to begin with - there are absolutley no non-religious records contemporary to the time the christ supposedly lived that establishes he lived - no birth record - no nothing. The Holy Ghost is just as imaginary as well. THis is all religous nonsense to begin with satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cd4b2e4b29686622? > > Of course not - the christ never lived to begin with Would not be here if that were true. May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Would not be here if that were true. Well, mentally, you're not, and haven't been for a long time. ;-)))) Why don't you get this "holy Spirit" to give you some tips on the stock market, pork belly futures, stuff like that? You could share the tips with us, and if they work out, well, we'll all convert.... hmmm? What do you say? It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <c9ed5cdc-55bd-4646-8c29-a3f1ba54877c@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: . . . >> But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: >> While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. >> Romans 5:8 >However, Christ did not die for the eternal condemned, which are those >who have unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit: Thus speaketh the prophet who proclaimeth the Gospel according to the Practicing Physician. Too bad this insight missed being included in the earlier versions of the Bible.  SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > >friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thus speaketh the prophet who proclaimeth the Gospel according to the > Practicing Physician. Usenet remains text-based so that there has been no speaking. Moreover, GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to prophesy. It is GOD Who has struck you out: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7048a29e85b87e? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: > > >friend smilewhenyousayt...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Usenet remains text-based so that there has been no speaking. Thus you have not seen me "laughing" here on usenet. -- Andrew B. Chung You will not receive salvation by following me around -- Andrew B. Chung > Moreover, GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to > prophesy. How's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration thingie shaping up? -- cary > It is GOD Who has struck you out: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > How's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration > thingie shaping up? The latest news is that Tehran has doubled its rate of enriching uranium. Advisories and news are not prophecies. Sadly, there is no expectation that you would ever have understanding as an atheist: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > The latest news is that Tehran has doubled its rate of enriching > uranium. So, how's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration thingie shaping up? > Advisories and news are not prophecies. And a very very good thing that is too. For you. Incidentally, an Oklo-style natural fission reactor underneath the floor of the Caribbean may go past critical within the next three weeks, resulting in a tsunami which will drown residents of the Gulf coast states and drench the survivors in fallout. It goes without saying that this isn't a prophecy, it's merely an advisory. -- cary > Sadly, there is no expectation that you would ever have understanding > as an atheist: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > So, how's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration > thingie shaping up? It remains possibly in this planet's near future. > > Advisories and news are not prophecies. > > And a very very good thing that is too. Doing what GOD desires is good. > For you. For anyone. > Incidentally, an Oklo-style natural fission reactor > underneath the floor of the Caribbean may go past > critical within the next three weeks, resulting > in a tsunami which will drown residents of the > Gulf coast states and drench the survivors > in fallout. Only if GOD allows it. > It goes without saying that this isn't a prophecy, it's merely > an advisory. Indeed, nothing is said here. Again, usenet remains a text-based medium: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Indeed, nothing is said here. Again, usenet remains a text-based > medium: Ah, the old Chungian <blink> <blink> <blink> "but I don't *understand* common English idioms!" disingenuous dishonesty at work. You're embarrassing yourself. -- cary > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Ah, the old Chungian <blink> <blink> <blink> "but I don't *understand* > common English idioms!" disingenuous dishonesty at work. Lie. This has been simply a written description of a clinical perspective on what you have written and posted here on usenet. The written description of a spiritual perspective concerning what you and Don have written and posted here on usenet is as follows: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Lie. Not a bit of it. Your dodging the issue by pretending your deterioration has progressed to the extent that you can no longer understand a common idiom "it goes without saying", but instead must protest, in bewilderment, that "nothing is said here" is dishonest, disengenous, and unworthy. Neurologically intact seven-year olds easily understand constructs such as "what you said in your email" and "I hear what you're telling me in that letter you sent". You, pretending you no longer can parse suchlike, in order to avoid dealing with the points presented -- sorry, it's not fooling anyone. -- cary > This has been simply a written description of a clinical perspective > on what you have written and posted here on usenet. > The written description of a spiritual perspective concerning what you > and Don have written and posted here on usenet is as follows: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > idiom "it goes without saying", but instead must protest, in bewilderment, > that "nothing is said here" is dishonest, disengenous, and unworthy. Did not write that your idioms were not understood but rather they are incorrect in the setting of usenet. Bottom line: Your lying is a tell for the discerning to know that satan is leading you around. Reminder for you and the others who are following this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > Did not write that your idioms were not understood but rather they are > incorrect in the setting of usenet. And I must thank you for demonstrating my point yet once again. Really, that was going above and beyond (in this text-based medium) -- cary > Bottom line: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > Really, that was going above and beyond (in this text-based > medium) Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). You remain in my prayers, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > -- cary > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -- > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love29@thetruth.com> wrote in message news:4c7ed547-268c-48b9- >> So, how's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration >> thingie shaping up? > > It remains possibly in this planet's near future. I thought you had a holey spirit telling you what was going to happen? We're losing faith in you, andy. "J A" <ae@re.com> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love29@thetruth.com> wrote in message > news:4c7ed547-268c-48b9- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > We're losing faith in you, andy. What? What what what? You expect Andrew to make a statement which can be empirically verified or disproven, by any observer? Not in this reality. -- cary It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <4c7ed547-268c-48b9-940a-b88b4479968c@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> > > > > > However, Christ did not die for the eternally condemned, which are those >> > > > > > who have unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit: >> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee019444a6840972? >> > > > > Thus speaketh the prophet who proclaimeth the Gospel according to the >> > > > > Practicing Physician. >> > > > Usenet remains text-based so that there has been no speaking. >> > > Thus you have not seen me "laughing" here on usenet. >> > > -- Andrew B. Chung >> > > You will not receive salvation by following me around >> > > -- Andrew B. Chung >> > > > Moreover, GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to >> > > > prophesy. Then you have failed to fulfill God's purpose for you. >> > > How's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration >> > > thingie shaping up? >> > The latest news is that Tehran has doubled its rate of enriching >> > uranium. >> So, how's that nuking of Tehran with global atmospheric conflagration >> thingie shaping up? >It remains possibly in this planet's near future. Or maybe some other planet's distant future, I suppose. >> > Advisories and news are not prophecies. >> And a very very good thing that is too. > >Doing what GOD desires is good. "He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" >> Incidentally, an Oklo-style natural fission reactor >> underneath the floor of the Caribbean may go past [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> It goes without saying that this isn't a prophecy, it's merely >> an advisory. >Indeed, nothing is said here. Again, usenet remains a text-based >medium: It boggles the mind. |
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