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Daily Spirit-guided thought for 07/17/08

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Jul 2008 12:14 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8bcfaace91c64364?

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

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J A - 17 Jul 2008 23:04 GMT
The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.

It has no discussion or description of democracy, or people having any say
in, or taking part in, how their govenrment treats them or what it does.

There's no due process of law, or description of human rights. It's all
about slaves obeying their masters, genocides that "god" orders, daughters
being sold into slavery, women being treated as chattel, laws and orders
being handed down by supernatural beings and kings and "judges" that people
had no say in.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Jul 2008 01:27 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c64fbf65d899cb8e?

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J A - 18 Jul 2008 04:19 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Jul 2008 09:22 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/60269513c662c7eb?

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J A - 18 Jul 2008 23:20 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Jul 2008 00:10 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/04a12dea8b0388df?

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J A - 19 Jul 2008 00:28 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Jul 2008 01:02 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/df5882fac4251f24?

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Uncle Frederik - 19 Jul 2008 01:05 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD used his keyboard to compulsive spew  :

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/df5882fac
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> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f99

http://www.answers.com/topic/verbigeration

the senseless repetition of stereotyped phrases and URLs

n.

Obsessive repetition of meaningless words, phrases, URLs, especially as
a symptom of mental illness.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Jul 2008 01:10 GMT
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J A - 19 Jul 2008 01:40 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 Jul 2008 05:48 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7?

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Uncle Frederik - 18 Jul 2008 01:35 GMT
It happens that J A formulated :

> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.

Ah, then the bible has a lot in common with Chung.

> It has no discussion or description of democracy, or people having any say
> in, or taking part in, how their govenrment treats them or what it does.

... just like Chung.

> There's no due process of law, or description of human rights. It's all
> about slaves obeying their masters, genocides that "god" orders, daughters
> being sold into slavery, women being treated as chattel, laws and orders
> being handed down by supernatural beings and kings and "judges" that people
> had no say in.

Is Chung a true Christian... the mind boggles..
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 18 Jul 2008 01:37 GMT
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monkfish - 19 Jul 2008 03:39 GMT
> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> being handed down by supernatural beings and kings and "judges" that
> people had no say in.

[quote]
The opening of the Declaration of Independence
written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, states as follows:
 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,
  that all men are created equal,
  that they are endowed by their Creator
  with certain unalienable Rights,
  that among these are Life, Liberty,
  and the Pursuit of Happiness."
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal

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Thom Madura - 19 Jul 2008 09:39 GMT
>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>
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> [/quote]
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal

Thomas Jefferson was a deist who despised religion. A deist believes in
a creator only - not a god - that creator started the process of the
beginning of the universe and life- and then let it go on its own.

Quotes:

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be
one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of
blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we
have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any
party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in
anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an
addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will
be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for
I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form
of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from
me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and
doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such
tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other
books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to
entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New
Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded
from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of
very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick
out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses
in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

f we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is
pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their
virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had
never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the
purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence
and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that
system only what is really there.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his
biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality,
and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much
ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and
imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should
have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the
human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or
that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but
I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and
Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of
immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy
it certainly is.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the
supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with
the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may
we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United
States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us
the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of
human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse],
and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy
nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
monkfish - 19 Jul 2008 20:10 GMT
>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>
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>
> -Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

Does that mean he lied in public?
In one of the most important document in the world?

Incredible!

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rustynail - 19 Jul 2008 20:15 GMT
>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 135 lines]
>
> Incredible!

Jefferson's views on organized religion is well known and documented. He did
believe in a "creator" he did not buy organized religion.
monkfish - 20 Jul 2008 03:25 GMT
>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 138 lines]
> Jefferson's views on organized religion is well known and documented. He
> did believe in a "creator" he did not buy organized religion.

Does that mean he believed in God?

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Thom Madura - 20 Jul 2008 13:02 GMT
>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>
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> Does that mean he believed in God?

No - not the god of religion.  He believed in a creator that started the
process of the creation of the universe - what we now call evolution -
and then left it to go its own way without involvement.

No super powers - no commandments - no miracles - simply not there anymore.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 Jul 2008 19:15 GMT
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monkfish - 21 Jul 2008 15:51 GMT
>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>
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> No super powers - no commandments - no miracles - simply not there
> anymore.

Can you prove the existence of his Creator?

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Thom Madura - 21 Jul 2008 23:42 GMT
>>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 148 lines]
>
> Can you prove the existence of his Creator?

No - neither can you
monkfish - 22 Jul 2008 03:56 GMT
>>>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>
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> No - neither can you

Are you saying that
Thomas Jefferson believed in the Creator
but he could not prove His existence?

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rustynail - 20 Jul 2008 19:19 GMT
>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 140 lines]
>
> Does that mean he believed in God?

Your not all that bright are you?
monkfish - 21 Jul 2008 16:02 GMT
>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 143 lines]
>>
> Your not all that bright are you?

He clearly believed in his Creator.

Did he do so
becasue he can prove the existence of his Creator?

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rustynail - 21 Jul 2008 22:40 GMT
>>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 148 lines]
> Did he do so
> becasue he can prove the existence of his Creator?

Don't know, why don't you ask him?
monkfish - 21 Jul 2008 23:53 GMT
>>>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 151 lines]
>
> Don't know, why don't you ask him?

It appears that even Thomas Jefferson believed
in things that cannot be proven.

How about the string theorists?

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rustynail - 21 Jul 2008 23:58 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> The bible is basically anti-democratic and anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 154 lines]
> It appears that even Thomas Jefferson believed
> in things that cannot be proven.

Does big foot exist?

> How about the string theorists?

That has to do with???

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everywhere there is love.
 
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