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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2008Lap-band restricts amount of food that can be consumed thereby curing type-2 diabetes.
"Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed. It is well established as a safe and effective treatment for obesity but the benefits for diabetes were less well understood. Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-calorie diets or exercise regimes. "It seems that people who lose 10 per cent of their body weight generally go into diabetes remission but this is quite hard to do with medical intervention alone," he told the conference. The results showed the lap band would also free patients of the so-called metabolic syndrome, a cluster of diseases which embody diabetes, hypertension and abnormal lipids in the blood." Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Lap-band-can-cure-obese-of-diabetes/2007/05/ 08/1178390279164.html or http://tinyurl.com/63c8ra It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... .. by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob .. gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... .. for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21... http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 May all souls choose to become healthier: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungrier, which is healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Marana tha Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <><  SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow Our armchair gi expert opines: "Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melb ourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-c alorie diets or exercise regimes." He goes on to say losing 10 percent of body weight produces the effect. Our "expert" adds: "It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the ri ght amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose th e visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of met abolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:" Truth: The weight loss by calorie restriction in the target population, such as the two pound diet, was already a failure. There is no cure for diabetes, one can only improve symptoms. There is no such thing as "black fat/vat". Having vat is normal, the poster has vat this very instant. It has a role to play in normal metabolism. Diabetes as a "cause" because of vat is not esbablished. 2/3 of those overweight do not get metabolic disorders including diabetes. It is widely accepted that beta cell genetic disposition plus obesity is the cause wich accounts for the 2/3 not getting diabetes. Another item in a now very long list of reasons to ignore the source. God bless. truth@finder.com pretended : > Our armchair gi expert opines: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > God bless. Excellent and accurate. Thanks. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: > "Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes: Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known to be successful in the long run, because it focuses solely on the amount eaten and not on what is eaten and therefore does not encourage healthy eating patterns? Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known > to be successful in the long run... GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not promote. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that with each passing day that the seven figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach remains in force is an additional day of evidence that there is success in the long run with eating less, down to the right amount: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05c0d1705a57da26? May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD expressed precisely : >> Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known >> to be successful in the long run... > > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not promote. But you are misinforming people... <spam removed> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117958cf266006d9? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 10/07/2008 : > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1179 > > <>< > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/35588 More misinformation... Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05c0d1705a57da26? If I remember correctly, the guarantee only kicks in, if someone has actually followed the 2PD-Approach over an extended period of time. This is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed. For example, if someone restricts himself to 1500 kcal a day, they will most likely lose weight and also keep the weight of, as long as they restrict themselves to this amount. The trouble is, that most overweight or obese people have a very hard time to severely restrict their food intake over an extended period of time. It is not enough to tell people to eat less. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be so many overweight and obese people in the first place. You have to educate people to make the right food choices. And that is, where your approach really sucks. If restricted to 2 pound of food a day, people will tend to choose salami over turkey breast, french fries over vegetables, jelly beans over fruit. So your approach encourages people to choose foods high in calories and more likely than not, high in sugar or unhealthy fats. > May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a > blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! Hunger is not wonderful, because it leads to overeating. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches > that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed. Not in the collective clinical experience of those of us who are actively practicing physicians. This is why no one has been willing to guarantee any weight loss diet because diets work only for the short term and have invariably failed over an extended period of time even in the research setting where it is known with certainty through close supervision that they are followed. Your lack of understanding simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e? It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <c44835df-138e-4b40-989a-51c35443941c@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>: >> If I remember correctly, the guarantee only kicks in, if someone has >> actually followed the 2PD-Approach over an extended period of time. This >> is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches >> that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed. >Not in the collective clinical experience of those of us who are >actively practicing physicians. Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively practicing physicians*. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c? > > Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively > practicing physicians*. Your false witness is forgiven by me. Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies, continues to lead you by the nose: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies, > continues to lead you by the nose: But - Andrew - You are not a practicing medical doctor - it as not a lie. You are the one not telling the truth - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But - Andrew - You are not a practicing medical doctor Your false witness is also forgiven by me. This simply shows that you are also being led around by satan, who is the source of your lie, so that your soul is in peril: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/414170c73b55c2e5? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thom: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3cef85cf7bd411d0? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? It happens that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated : >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Your false witness is also forgiven by me. Ok, so you think you won't die and are a practicing medical doctor? >It happens that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated : >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Ok, so you think you won't die and are a practicing medical doctor? No, he is NOT any kind of doctor. Any real doctor and most diabetics know that restricting the amount of food eaten will not cure type 2 diabetes. Also, Chung is obsessed with Satan - just looks at the titles of his posts. "When you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy." Hmm... Personally, I suspect that Chung may be mentally retarded and psychotic. Of course, it could just be one of those two. Then again maybe he is an Atheist who thinks it is funny to make Theists look foolish? > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:44:27 +0100, Uncle Frederik > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Our armchair word squeeser opines: > >> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively > >> practicing physicians*. > > > > Your false witness is forgiven by me. Truth: If onegives ones daughter an aspirin onecan say they are practicing. One can have some friends and relatives who seek advice or even a prescription, but that is far from having a practice in the business and income sense. One relative getting a prescription does not a practice make, or choose any number and the result is the same. Too often face saving word play is used which is but all too obvious obfuscation of the larger reality. God bless. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <0e15c9d0-5661-4181-8acb-d6beffca89c5@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c? >> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively >> practicing physicians*. >Your false witness is forgiven by me. No matter what you think and write, Andrew, the truth always becomes evident. Increasingly you make yourself appear to be the spawn of the liar you invoke so regularly SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [...] >>>It should be obvious to the most casual observer that with each >>>passing day that the seven figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is known with certainty through close supervision that they are > followed. Then please provide a reference to a study where a low calorie diet failed to achieve sustained weight loss under close supervision. Would be great if there was more than one patient in the study. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Then please provide a reference to a study where a low calorie diet > failed to achieve sustained weight loss under close supervision. You made the claim earlier that "there are many diet or approaches that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed" but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one, which happens to be eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach). Indeed, folks eating less, reducing the amount of daily food eaten, have reduced their caloric intake independently of the diet they may choose to follow. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly support the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is simply eating less down to the right amount (32 ounces). Your mistake again shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD expressed precisely : <snip> >> Then please provide a reference to a study where a low calorie diet >> failed to achieve sustained weight loss under close supervision. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one, which happens to be > eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach). Incorrect. If it were, it would be called the Eating-less-approach - not 2 pound diet approach. Truth is simple and you're a liar. > Indeed, folks eating less, reducing the amount of daily food eaten, > have reduced their caloric intake independently of the diet they may [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you to unwittingly support the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is simply > eating less down to the right amount (32 ounces). http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Our armchair dietition promotes the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.: Truth: It can not work as has been demonstrated here many times. It violates God's laws of energy and human matabolism. God could care less how many 7 figure prizes are said to exist. He is saddened by the rhetorical footwork,ex. over 600 k success stories, used in its promotion. It would be amusing if it were not so sad to retell again the step by step invention of the two pound diet as it morphed into its present day trash science and distortions/misuses of scripture. That has been done before in detail. At each step in its evolution its inventor was mistaken in points of logic and fact, which when each new point was added to those before only amplified the gross errors in logic and fact going before. It is sad also as it parallels the progression over time of several years of a human disorder from which the inventor suffers. As it progressed the two pound diet became less andless tied to reality and was more and more a symptom of the distortions of perception the disorder presents. One could draw parallel curves for the progression of the disorder and the growing unreality of the two pound diet almost in a stepwise manner over the same period of years. I suggest we pray for he who suffers. May God bless and protect and heal. Amen After serious thinking truth@finder.com wrote : > Our armchair dietition promotes the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > growing unreality of the two pound diet almost in a stepwise manner over > the same period of years. A very interesting observation indeed. Thanks. > I suggest we pray for he who suffers. May God bless and protect and heal. > Amen http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > You made the claim earlier that "there are many diet or approaches > that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed" Yes. > but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one, I did this because you seemed to claim that _any_ weight loss diet would work only for the short term, even if it where followed under close supervision in a study. Therefor I chose the kind of weight loss diet that is easiest to designe and where success is almost guaranteed, although not the easiest to adhere to, that is a low calore diet that focuses on counting calories and sets the limit of calories sufficiently low. There are other diet and approaches that would work, like low carb diets, but there is more room for variation and error and it might be possible to make a badly designed study on such an an approach, where people don't keep their weight off. > which happens to be > eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach). No, I didn't ask for a study or an approach where people ate "less", in the sense you mean, that is lower weight. In fact, I believe that those diets are most successful in the long run are the ones that allow people to avoid being hungry. One way to achieve this is to encourage low calorie foods like broccoli, cabbage and lean meat. A diet based on such foods would be satieting and low in calories and thus be leading to weight loss, but it would not be low in weight or volume. So, not every low calorie diet involves a reduction in the amount eaten. > Indeed, folks eating less, reducing the amount of daily food eaten, > have reduced their caloric intake independently of the diet they may > choose to follow. If people reduce the amount they eat, without changing their diet composition, they will consume fewer calories, that much is true, it's a matter of simple mathematics. This does not say anything about whether the reduction is enough to induce significant weight loss or whether the resulting diet is healthy at all. More likely than not, people who are asked to eat less, _will_ change what they eat and will tend to choose foods higher in calories in order to avoid hunger. Thorsten convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: > Andrew,in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > asked to eat less, _will_ change what they eat and will tend to choose > foods higher in calories in order to avoid hunger. If the latter were true, the lap-banding surgery would not be working because the patient "will tend to choose foods higher in calories in order to avoid hunger" when physically forced to eat less because the banding has reduced the pain-free capacity of their stomachs. Instead, people tend to choose food that they enjoy eating, which makes them want even more so that they are hungrier (healthier). This is why lap-banding invariably works. This is also why the 2PD-OMER Approach invariably works. It remains logically consistent that being forced to eat less should be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is concerned. May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? > convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: >> Andrew,in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Andrew <>< are women attracted to you > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > are women attracted to you My wife is attracted to me :-) May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear %: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>> convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Andrew <>< well everybody makes mistakes i guess , oh and don't pray for me i don't need it , save it for someone that does or i'll killfile you > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > well everybody makes mistakes i guess , If you still end up in hell, it would be your choice and not our mistake for praying that you be moved to make the right free-will choice of seeking GOD's forgiveness... http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven ... by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? >> well everybody makes mistakes i guess , > > If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours i'm sorry you made such a big mistake > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e18bed3765e1110c? > > If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours As it was for our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/144a9929eb37ee47? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear %: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> >> If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours > > As it was for our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio: i'm sorry your life is so sad >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >i'm sorry your life is so sad Listen, would you please do me a favor and add something to your handle? A lot of software can't kill file a % sign when there's nothing else with it. It's not that I'm saying you're an idiot or anything. It's just that I download messages into a separate piece of software and so, I kill file folks who consistently talk about things that have no relevance to groups I read, to cut down on the amount of messages to sift through and frankly, I've had enough of the "Chung" threads. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. I'm not judging you, nor the content of your posts. It is just not what I personally wish to see and so, I would like to kill file you for that purpose only and not because you've been rude or anything, so please do not feel as if I am attacking you. I would really appreciate it and thank you in advance, should you decide to grant my request. It is your handle and so, I realize that you have the right to refuse my request. I have just found that most people use that type of handle for the purpose of avoiding kill files and if that is your desire, then I'm sure you'll keep your handle the same. :) But if that wasn't your reason, maybe you will be kind enough to grant my request. :) SignatureLife has many choices. Eternity has two. What's yours? ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68ad61fa7eb7? > > i'm sorry your life is so sad Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of sadness. GOD remains the Source of all joy and happiness. There is no joy and happiness in your having type-2 diabetes. Such is life not doing what GOD desires. May all who read this also understand this. May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear %: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended : >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68ad >> >> i'm sorry your life is so sad > > Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of > sadness. For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % . > GOD remains the Source of all joy and happiness. For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % . satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > For you, perhaps. For all Christians (either Jew or gentile). > Obviously not for % . Dear convicted neighbor % has not been doing what GOD desires. May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended : >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68a >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > % has not been doing what GOD desires. He won't be doing what you or anyone desires for that matter. It seems you're having a hard time dealing with this fact. Unfortunately you have no control over this. > After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you're having a hard time dealing with this fact. Unfortunately you > have no control over this. Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the groups header. monkfish formulated the question : >> After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended : >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung? Oops. Has something I said bothered you?? :-) > monkfish formulated the question : >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > :-) I do appreciate the chance to be magnanimous; but you really should not make enemies of people who try so hard to love you. Are you allowed to love those who love you in your deprived scheme of things? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the groups header. monkfish laid this down on his screen : >> monkfish formulated the question : >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Are you allowed to love those who love you > in your deprived scheme of things? Why are you feigning love? > monkfish laid this down on his screen : >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Why are you feigning > love? You really should learn to be grateful for everything and appreciate the love of others toward you. Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the groups header. monkfish formulated on Thursday : >> monkfish laid this down on his screen : >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > You really should learn to be grateful for everything > and appreciate the love of others toward you. Can you learn to stop pretending and post properly? > monkfish formulated on Thursday : >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > and post > properly? Are you trying to say that you just don't wanna love those who hate you? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the groups header. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung? That is not possible for those who have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit thereby killing their souls: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <01e24719-fc8a-4928-81e8-92073987b6b2@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >> Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung? >That is not possible for those who have blasphemed against the Holy >Spirit thereby killing their souls: Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these newsgroups. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these > newsgroups. Hey, Andy puts in a full day of sanctimonious condescension and lugubrious shows of feigned concern. Giving love on top of all that would be a bit much to ask, don't you think? -- cary convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these >newsgroups. GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others. It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me. This includes joining other Christians (either Jew or gentile) praying for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1216321351_937@alibistextweb.com>: >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8? >>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not >>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these >>newsgroups. >GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others. >It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me. Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving according to what I was taught about what God desires of a man: ". . . to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" Which of those do you feel you are you fulfilling in your self-centered attempts to discredit your fellow men? SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving... Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). Your difficulties simply show that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error(self)... http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e? ... so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7141ac3ac967fc5? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses, you'd have no responses at all. -- cary > Your difficulties simply show that you continue to be guided by the > spirit of error(self)... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses, > you'd have no responses at all. Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? It happens that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated : >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses, >> you'd have no responses at all. I think he just proved your point. > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Andrew <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > roups.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: f057dca8844c21aba6b4cd289ebd0ea1 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >>>> > >>>> Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving... > >>> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > >> And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses, > >> you'd have no responses at all. > > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > I think he just proved your point. Ironic, wasn't it? -- cary > > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Andrew <>< > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > > > > > Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving... > > > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > > And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses, > > you'd have no responses at all. > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). You rest my case neatly. Thank you. -- cary > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray > for your perishing soul, dear Cary: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > You rest my case neatly. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly reveal that you need rest. > Thank you. Laus Deo :-) May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended : <chop chop> >>> Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). >> >> You rest my case neatly. > > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling > you to unwittingly reveal that you need rest. Eh?? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/94eb73e8fb3aa52c? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? i'm sorry your life is so sad HELL now that is a concept. What is your concept of HELL Mister Chung. Is it devils with pitchforks doing the Lord's work of punishing sinners or is it the oblivion of non-existence that goes forever and forever or is HELL simply the figurative abode of the dead from which the dead arise on the Last Day? Please enlighten us.. Our armchair logician scratches his head and opines: "This is why lap-banding invariably works. This is also why the 2PD-OMER Approach invariably works. It remains logically consistent that being forced to eat less should be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is concerned." Truth: The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. violates God's laws of energy and human metabolism. Two pounds is 907 grams. Carbohydrates and protein have 4 calories per gram while fat has 9. It takes about 10calories of food per pound of weight to maintain present body weight with little or no activity. Increased activity adds to that number. 907 grams of fat is 8163 calories and carb/protein are 3628 calories. A six foot person at the top end of the normal range is 185 pounds. Which means that with little or no activity he needs 1800 calories to stay at that weight. Now how about a 5 foot person who at the top of the normal range is 130 pounds and needs 1300 calories with little or no activity? The arithmetic tells the story. Depending on two pounds of what foods of what calorie density and how tall one is and how active, two pounds of intake can cause either gain or loss of weight. The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. violates God's laws of energy and human metabolism. God bless. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: > convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > order to avoid hunger" when physically forced to eat less because the > banding has reduced the pain-free capacity of their stomachs. Not necessarily so, it depends on how much the lap-banding surgery restricts food intake and whether that can be compensated by choosing foods higher in calories. So, yes, a severe restriction in the amount of food will in most cases, though not always, result in weight loss. But this is of little relevance for the evaluation of your approach. The problem with your approach is that most will won't be able or willing to follow it over an extended period of. Your approach is not the first one that focuses on reducing the amount of food. They all fail because people don't stick to it. It is not enough to tell people they should eat less. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be so many overweight and obese people in the first place. > Instead, people tend to choose food that they enjoy eating, which > makes them want even more so that they are hungrier (healthier). So, more likely than not, they _will_ have some more of what ever they enjoy. > This is why lap-banding invariably works. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is > concerned. That may be so as far as the body is concerned, however, people don't usually freely choose to eat less, because this causes hunger and if they are hungry they will eat more. Any attempt to eat less, without changing the kind of food eaten, is likely to result in binge eating. Thorsten Thorsten Schier wrote : > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >> convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> This is why lap-banding invariably works. Actually the reason why lap-banding invariably works, is because the restrictive effect caused by the band, which causes the subject to feel full i.e not hungry. This is why it invariably works. >> This is also why the 2PD-OMER Approach invariably works. 2 pound diet will invariably fail because even if someone religiously eats 2 pounds a day, tthey will feel *still* feel hungry and, they will then eat till the hunger goes away. Your diet should focus on the *hunger* component, for it to invariably work. >> It remains logically consistent that being forced to eat less should >> be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > restricts food intake and whether that can be compensated by choosing > foods higher in calories. Lap-banding surgery invariably forces people to reduce their food intake. When folks are forced to eat less, they preferentially choose food they enjoy rather than food that is calorically dense. When folks choose to consume food that they enjoy while eating less down to the right amount, they will become healthier (hungrier). Your difficulties understanding the above concept simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Lap-banding surgery invariably forces people to reduce their food > intake. This is of no relevance to your approach, because your approach does not force people to reduce their food intake. If you can point to any study where people lost weight and kept that weight off, just by telling them to eat less, without any direction about what to eat, please feel free to do so. Until then, we have no reason to believe that your approach to weight loss works any better than other approaches. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > This is of no relevance to your approach, because your approach does not > force people to reduce their food intake. Food intake decreases by either choice, lack of food, or surgical lap- banding are physiologically equivalent. Truth is simple. May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Food intake decreases by either choice, lack of food, or surgical lap- > banding are physiologically equivalent. Advising overweight or obese people to eat less, without any direction about what to eat, has not been successful in the past and we have no reason to assume that it will be any more successful in the future. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Advising overweight or obese people to eat less, without any direction > about what to eat, has not been successful in the past... We encourage folks, who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach under physician supervision, to continue eating their favorites, which are foods that make them hungrier. This instruction seems to motivate people to stay with the 2PD-OMER Approach. Favorite foods tend to be less and not more calorically dense. Calorically dense foods generally neither taste, look, nor smell as good as the various favorites that folks have. More than 625,550 people have achieved clinically meaningful weight loss (>10%) for more than 5 years using the 2PD-OMER Approach. Plus, an unprecendented seven-figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach remains in force. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > physician supervision, to continue eating their favorites, which are > foods that make them hungrier. Being hungrier on a weight loss approach is equivalent to being less compliant. > This instruction seems to motivate > people to stay with the 2PD-OMER Approach. > > Favorite foods tend to be less and not more calorically dense. > Calorically dense foods generally neither taste, look, nor smell as > good as the various favorites that folks have. What, your patients don't like chocolate? Or pizza? Or salami? > More than 625,550 people have achieved clinically meaningful weight > loss (>10%) for more than 5 years using the 2PD-OMER Approach. Neither people from the bible nor imagined people count as scientific evidence. > Plus, an unprecendented seven-figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER > Approach remains in force. Which is absolutly meaningless for the reasons already explained in this thread. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Being hungrier on a weight loss approach is equivalent to being less > compliant. Not for the discerning, who know that hunger is wonderful. Knowing that hunger is wonderful allows us to enjoy that which make us hungrier, which is healthier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e? Your lack of discernment here simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? You are a cardiologist? Perhaps you can explain why, when I manage to restore the twist in the spine, I get a spot which produces ... a) panic attacks (mild) b) recovery of the ability to breathe normally (ususally associate with a panting fit - possibly causing the panic type attack) c) a 10-20 point drop in my blood pressure. -- Mordecai! When words and actions disagree, believe actions. When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong, and reality is Never wrong. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > You are a cardiologist? Yes, per GOD's will. > Perhaps you can explain why, when I manage to restore the twist in the spine, I get a > spot which produces ... > a) panic attacks (mild) > b) recovery of the ability to breathe normally (ususally associate with a panting fit > - possibly causing the panic type attack) > c) a 10-20 point drop in my blood pressure. Intervertebral disc disease, which does happen because of VAT, which arises from overeating (eating until full, thereby killing the hunger) can adversely affect the autonomic nervous system. Suggested reading: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12478343? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Mordecai: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/995148a4db8a0d6b? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [...] >>>We encourage folks, who are using the 2PD-OMER Approach under >>>physician supervision, to continue eating their favorites, which are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not for the discerning, who know that hunger is wonderful. So your approach only works if the patient is discerning. People who believe that hunger is wonderful are usually not overweight or obese in the first place. Congratulations, you invented the perfect weight loss approach for lean people who enjoy being hungry. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So your approach only works if the patient is discerning. Incorrect. GOD's 2PD-OMER Approach has worked for everyone (more than 625,550 people and counting) who has chosen to use it. Thus, a seven figure guarantee remains in force: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7? The same can not be written about diets. Truth is simple. "See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son." (Hebrews 12:16) "Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I'm famished!" -- A hungry Esau, who falsely believed that hunger meant he was dying from starvation (Genesis 25:30). "Look, I am about to die," Esau said. "What good is the birthright to me?" (Genesis 25:32) Behold what happens to the godless like Esau: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7141ac3ac967fc5? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear godless Thorsten: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew the ignoramus wrote: >> Andrew, the ignoramus wrote: >>>> Andrew,the ignoramus wrote : sad sad sad you are a very sad person > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5cb29da030beec45? > > sad sad sad you are a very sad person You are projecting the sadness you feel because of having diabetes. May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear %: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chump, MD/PhD wrote: the good guy % wrote: Andrew, the sad sack meathead wrote: I am projecting the sadness I feel because I am a sad sad person > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76edd221cf89fc2f? > > I am projecting the sadness I feel because I am a sad sad person Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly write truthfully for once. Laus Deo :-) May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear %: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Andrew B. Chump wrote: Andrew, the space cadet wrote: why am i such a sad sad man >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5cb29da030beec45? >> >> sad sad sad you are a very sad person Andrew the ignoramus wrote: > the good guy neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote: >> Andrew, the ignoramus wrote: >>>> Andrew,the ignoramus wrote : sad sad sad you are a very sad person Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb: >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Incorrect. For every one else, hunger is not wonderful. People don't like hunger. > GOD's 2PD-OMER Approach has worked for everyone (more than 625,550 > people and counting) who has chosen to use it. People either imagined or from the bible do not count as evidence in the real world. > Thus, a seven figure > guarantee remains in force: > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be9939b1fe5e3ad7? Which is absolutly meaningless for the reasons given earlier in this thread. > The same can not be written about diets. Actually, people can write anything. Thorsten > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > For every one else, hunger is not wonderful. People don't like hunger. Crazy godless people do hate being hungry: These are those who are insane because they are no longer grounded in reality because of suffering from the delusion that "hunger is bad, because it means starvation" and they are crazy because they will do insane things like overeat to kill their hunger. May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Tho |
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