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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / July 2008Atheists attempt to stop the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, from shining out of the hearts of His people.
http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&newsID=610 On July 2, Public Security Bureau (PSB) officers evicted prominent house church leader Pastor Hua Huiqi and his family from their home in Beijing, China. According to China Aid Association (CAA), “Hua and his family were resting in their rental apartment when PSB officials led by Officer Yang Jian used a 10-pound hammer to break down the doors and locks of the apartment. Hua’s brother was beaten by police officers and suffered severe damage to his eye. Hua and his family, including his 90-year-old father, were forced onto the street with their furniture. They are currently in search of a new home and are being hosted by a Christian family in Beijing.” According to CAA, “The Chinese government has expressed its intentions to either detain Hua until September 30, a date well after the Olympics, or to remove Hua and his family completely out of Beijing during the Games. The Chinese government had branded Hua and other human rights and religious activists as ‘troublemakers’ and is adamant about keeping such people from attending the games in August.” “We have predicted that things like this would happen ahead of the Beijing Olympics,” said Todd Nettleton, Director of Media Development for The Voice of the Martyrs. “The Chinese government is determined that there will be no distractions and no embarrassment when the eyes of the world turn to Beijing next month. Our Christian brothers and sisters, like Brother Hua and his family, are not ‘troublemakers,’ as China’s government says. They are simply Christian people who want the freedom to follow Christ according to their conscience.” This recent incident is the latest in a series of attacks, arrests and imprisonments Pastor Hua and his family have endured from the PSB. In January 2007, Hua and his 76-year-old mother, Shuang Shuying, were attacked and wounded by seven police officers while walking near a 2008 Olympic hotel site in Beijing. CAA reported, “They were kicked to the ground and later taken to the Olympic police station for questioning.” Hua’s mother was sentenced to two years in prison, while Hua served six months. In October, while under house arrest, Hua was repeatedly attacked and beaten by police at his home. CAA reported, “Hua was reading his Bible at his home despite police surrounding his house. He was sent to Beijing Tiantan Hospital because he lost consciousness after repeated beatings from the police.” Shuang Shuying remains in prison and is very ill. According to CAA she is being held in a medical center because her health has deteriorated. “The doctor said she is too weak to send to a formal prison because of heart problems, diabetes and other medical problems,” CAA reported.VOM contacts say she is being held hostage by police in order to put pressure on Pastor Hua to reveal names and information of believers. VOM encourages you to pray for believers in China. Pray for Hua’s family who are living under intense persecution. Ask God to watch over his elderly parents who are great examples of faith and courage. Ask the Holy Spirit to convict the persecutors and draw them into the knowledge of Jesus Christ. *** end article *** May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? On Jul 6, 7:09 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&newsID=610 > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > Andrew <>< > --http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? Fixed subject line for accuracy -- satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&newsID=610 [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Fixed subject line for accuracy -- The "religious" doctrine of the Chinese government is atheism. Truth is simple and cuts you, satan. May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <9f0fcc57-3e78-402e-993e-3597f7202fa0@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: >satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >The "religious" doctrine of the Chinese government is atheism. And here I always thought it was basically Taoism blended with Confucian political philosophy and a recent overlay of communism. None of those are particularly "religious" in the Western sense. Perhaps you can cite some Chinese writings preaching atheism as a doctrine?  SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net Our armchair believer in "chi" opines: See subject line. Truth: Those same of which the poster speaks along with him embrace the pagan idea of "chi" taken from the taoist religion many also share. He is their brother in theology. If we confess our sin He is quick to forgive, if we say we do not sin the truth is not in us. God bless. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Truth is simple and cuts you, satan. He is NOT Satan. And please, show some respect by Capitalizing My Names (PoW, Satan, etc etc). convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: >And here I always thought it was basically Taoism blended with Confucian >political philosophy and a recent overlay of communism. None of those are >particularly "religious" in the Western sense. Perhaps you can cite some >Chinese writings preaching atheism as a doctrine? It is well accepted that China is an atheistic country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bggXAhKhS4s Atheism is threatened most by people having personal relationships with GOD as they do in Christianity. The attempts by atheists to stop Christianity demonstrate the perceived threat to their "religious" doctrine. May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1215486868_844@alibistextweb.com>: >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: >>And here I always thought it was basically Taoism blended with Confucian >>political philosophy and a recent overlay of communism. None of those are >>particularly "religious" in the Western sense. Perhaps you can cite some >>Chinese writings preaching atheism as a doctrine? >It is well accepted that China is an atheistic country: Many erroneous things are well accepted by the unknowing. Right here in River Ci^H^H^Hsci.med.cardiology. Thank you for unwittingly showing your lack of any proof of the allegation. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Many erroneous things are well accepted by the unknowing. The unknowing simply don't know. The term for lack of knowledge is ignorance rather than erroneous. Your mistake here simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd? May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c? Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <a3d35f7e-6e4a-4e86-b43d-d7b953f80d11@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: >> >>And here I always thought it was basically Taoism blended with Confucian >> >>political philosophy and a recent overlay of communism. None of those are >> >>particularly "religious" in the Western sense. Perhaps you can cite some >> >>Chinese writings preaching atheism as a doctrine? >> > It is well accepted that China is an atheistic country: >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bggXAhKhS4s >> Many erroneous things are well accepted by the unknowing. >The unknowing simply don't know. Nevertheless they accept many erroneous things, as evidenced by your own career on Usenet. For instance, your assertion that "It is well accepted that China is an atheistic country," which you believe to be a fact but which in truth you do not know to be true. >The term for lack of knowledge is ignorance rather than erroneous. You sure torture the English language sometimes. "Erroneous things" has no relationship to "unknowing." Things or statements or opinions are erroneous, people are unknowing. >Your mistake here simply shows that you continue to be guided by the >spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to >convict you: I've politely pointed out to you that it was not a mistake I made but your inability to parse straightforward English that led you astray again. SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nevertheless... .. it remains my choice to continue to write truthfully while you choose to do otherwise. This simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Don: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow In alt.christnet.prayer, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD spake thusly... > Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, What's so f.cking awesome about the name Jesus? Back in those uber- superstitious days that name was the equivalent of calling someone John. Nothing special - just as the name Andy is a dime-a-dozen. SignatureSt. Jackanapes http://www.jackanapes.ws =========================================================== "Where knowledge ends, religion begins." - Benjamin Disraeli ----------------------------------------------------------- VISIT DR. CHUNG'S CAT HOUSE: http://tinyurl.com/39gbog http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net> wrote: >> >>And here I always thought it was basically Taoism blended with Confucian >>political philosophy and a recent overlay of communism. None of those are >>particularly "religious" in the Western sense. Perhaps you can cite some >>Chinese writings preaching atheism as a doctrine? > It is well accepted that China is an atheistic country: Truly, you are getting stupider and stupider. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > The "religious" doctrine of the Chinese government is atheism. garbage - there's no such thing. The church is growing in China with the blessing of the authorities so their problems are just beginning. Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. Hong Kong, China Man creates gods in his own image; and then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content. > Truth is simple and cuts you, satan. > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > garbage - there's no such thing. Correction: There will be no such thing as atheism. May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689? Hunger is wonderful ! ! ! It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360? Be hungrier, which is healthier. Marana tha Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > There will be no such thing as atheism. Absolutely true, the very day that any god puts in an appearance and projects itself without any help from humans, that will be the day we atheists pack our bags and leave. But I am not losing any sleep tonight. > May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to > rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires: Well of course you will because we question your belief system and pick holes in it until you become frustrated and angry. > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, > the Son of Man ... Nice one - but I should point out the error of your ways, because what you just claimed you cannot prove and that is tantamount to deception. Rather akin to Moses who claimed to have climbed a mountain to have a one on one with a god that today never even comes close Right ? > ... by being hungrier: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve > paid for with their and our immortal lives. More childish mythology. Time for me to go. Cheers Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. Man creates gods in his own image; and then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content. > "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825? The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass starvation. Various xian cults have been trying to undermine those efforts. There is also a history of bizarre christian cults creating rebellions - long before communism took over. Chung, in his demented ignorance, is criticising the Chinese for how they deal with their "Koresh's" and "Jonestowners". Chinese people tend to be somewhat emotionally immature and vulnerable to getting hysterical over supernatural mytholgies (Andrew Chung himself being an example). Admit it - wouldn't it be nice if Andrew could be taken off to a "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of Chairman Mao? > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass starvation. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > Chairman Mao? The Chinese government are acting like a bunch of Christians , next will they be burning people at the stake? > > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > > from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass starvation. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The Chinese government are acting like a bunch of Christians , next > will they be burning people at the stake? Very true Eris... > > > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > > > from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass starvation. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Very true Eris... What for calling ore naming someone else a 'heretic' ? They couldn't care less here, that kind of mindset exists now only in the middle east, some parts of Asia [Indonesia] and The USA Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. Hong Kong [PRC] Man creates gods in his own image; and then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content. On Jul 6, 12:07 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > Chairman Mao? The Chinese government are acting like a bunch of Christians , next will they be burning people at the stake? < Good question. Their "re-education" camps are similar to religious indoctrination. > On Jul 6, 12:07 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: > > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Good question. Their "re-education" camps are similar to religious > indoctrination. How out of date can people get? Someone landlocked fitted with blinders living in Idaho or Montana I guess ! >> On Jul 6, 12:07 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: >> > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > with blinders > living in Idaho or Montana I guess ! You're clueless. They are intent on keeping central control regardless of economic activity. People still get sent to camps with brainwashing. Tinamen square wasn't all that long ago, dummy. > >> On Jul 6, 12:07 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: > >> > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Tinamen square wasn't all that long ago, dummy. Which was it then - Idaho or Montana ? The level in intelligence of a human being can easily be assessed by his need to reinforce his claims with insults. The more the insults the weaker his claim and the weaker his intelligence. Just thought you would like to know. Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. Man creates gods in his own image; and then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content. >> >> On Jul 6, 12:07 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote: >> >> > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > The level in intelligence of a human being can easily be > assessed by his need to reinforce his claims with insults. In your case your level of intelligence was revealed in not knowing what you were talking about, and then insulting people in Idaho and Montanta by pretending they're stupid. It is you who is stupid, and clueless. > The more the insults the weaker his claim and the weaker his intelligence. In the case of of your insults to Americans, that is true. > Just thought you would like to know. Arrogance coupled with ignorance is particularly amusing. > Bob > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. > > Man creates gods in his own image; > and then spends the rest of his life > manipulating them to his heart's content. > Admit it - wouldn't it be nice if Andrew could be taken off to a > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > Chairman Mao? Indeed. Mr Chang would be a suitable candidate. >> Admit it - wouldn't it be nice if Andrew could be taken off to a >> "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of >> Chairman Mao? > > Indeed. Mr Chang would be a suitable candidate. Good idea. But the people who would have to keep him on taks will need to be given earplugs, and make sure the Chungster has no computer access, and not so much as a pencil to write with. Would not want anyone to get annoyed. The most amazing thing though is that Androol posted something other than his signature copy and paste material. On Jul 6, 12:02 pm, "Dancing Monkey" <dancing.mon...@invalid.inbox> wrote: > > Admit it - wouldn't it be nice if Andrew could be taken off to a > > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > > Chairman Mao? > > Indeed. Mr Chang would be a suitable candidate. Hitch his "raft" to the next westward bound nookular sub. Godspeed, Dr. Chung. > > Admit it - wouldn't it be nice if Andrew could be taken off to a > > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > > Chairman Mao? > > Indeed. Mr Chang would be a suitable candidate. There are more appropriate places for him hidden away on mountain ranges in Afganistan ! > The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass starvation. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "re-education" camp somewhere, to sweep floors and study the wisdom of > Chairman Mao? You're out of date They are studying English now to support the huge growth in trade about to burst onto the world they call it 'capitalisation with communist leanings and it seems to be working very nicely. Take a look at your cell phone the chances are it was made in China Take a look at your kid's toys next Christmas a vitual certainty - made in China Bob Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. Hong Kong [PRC] Man creates gods in his own image; and then spends the rest of his life manipulating them to his heart's content. >> The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge >> from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Take a look at your kid's toys next Christmas > a vitual certainty - made in China You're clueless. They are intent on keeping central control regardless of economic activity. People still get sent to camps with brainwashing. Tinamen square wasn't all that long ago, dummy. > Bob > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and then spends the rest of his life > manipulating them to his heart's content. > >> The Chinese have been trying to do population control in order to emerge > >> from mass poverty, and to not repeat historical episodes of mass [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Tinamen square wasn't all that long ago, dummy. ....you're having a bad day I see....... > > Bob > > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > and then spends the rest of his life > > manipulating them to his heart's content. |
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