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Daily Spirit-guided thought for 06/21/08

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jun 2008 11:43 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9cfea74b85ac6843?

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the
Messiah ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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J A - 21 Jun 2008 15:03 GMT
For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in the
Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church authorities had the
power to silence, torture and kill anyone raising inconvenient questions,
Christian mankind spent many centuries not hearing any challenge about what
they're being told by religious authorities.

One interesting facet of the personality of Jesus the "great healer", is
that he didn't care to help non-Jews. In Matthew 15:21 -- 28, a Canaanite
woman begs him to perform an exorcism and he tells her he doesn't want to
waste his energy on a non-Jew. He finally does perform the exorcism, after
his disciples and the woman continued to plead with him. What would you
think of a medical doctor who had to be begged to treat a person outside his
own religious or ethnic group?
monkfish - 21 Jun 2008 16:48 GMT
> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in the
> Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church authorities had
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> think of a medical doctor who had to be begged to treat a person outside
> his own religious or ethnic group?

Do you ever get tired of
your anachronistic interpretations?

What would be the real message in context?

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Adonis - 21 Jun 2008 17:06 GMT
>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in the
>> Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church authorities had
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>
> What would be the real message in context?

What message and in whoms context?
monkfish - 21 Jun 2008 18:58 GMT
>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in the
>>> Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church authorities had
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>
> What message and in whoms context?

The main message is that the Reign of God is at hand
and in it you are supposed to love even your enemies.

Would you like to love your enemies?

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Adonis - 21 Jun 2008 19:34 GMT
>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in the
>>>> Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church authorities had
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>
> Would you like to love your enemies?

Where is this message?
monkfish - 22 Jun 2008 00:42 GMT
>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in
>>>>> the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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>>
> Where is this message?

In the Bible.

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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 00:56 GMT
>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in
>>>>>> the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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>
> In the Bible.

What part of the bible?
monkfish - 22 Jun 2008 01:17 GMT
>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in
>>>>>>> the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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> What part of the bible?

Do your own homework.

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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 01:20 GMT
>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions in
>>>>>>>> the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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>
> Do your own homework.

Oh my, you dont know?

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.
monkfish - 22 Jun 2008 01:26 GMT
>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions
>>>>>>>>> in the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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> Oh my, you dont know?

Can you Google?

Look them up here:
http://www.biblegateway.com/

When was the last time you read any theology book?

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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 01:31 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and contradictions
>>>>>>>>>> in the Bible. However, since over most of that time, the church
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> Look them up here:
> http://www.biblegateway.com/

I want YOUR answer, what your believe.

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.

> When was the last time you read any theology book?
What does that have to do with any thing? Theology is a lot like the principles
of electricity, it's the same today as it was yesterday.
monkfish - 22 Jun 2008 01:46 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and
>>>>>>>>>>> contradictions in the Bible. However, since over most of that
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>
> I want YOUR answer, what your believe.

I believe in the message of Jesus.
But I'm in the process of figuring out what it is exactly.

Do you know what kind of statement the message is?

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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 01:49 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and
>>>>>>>>>>>> contradictions in the Bible. However, since over most of that
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>
> Do you know what kind of statement the message is?

Your obviously dodging the questions. Why?

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.
monkfish - 22 Jun 2008 04:44 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradictions in the Bible. However, since over most of that
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>
> Your obviously dodging the questions. Why?

I'm more a seeker than an evangelist.

Be courageous enough to let go of your blind fauth.

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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 11:56 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For centuries scholars have noticed the errors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradictions in the Bible. However, since over most of that
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>
> I'm more a seeker than an evangelist.

I take that as you do not have an answer. No your here just for that reason, you
have a message.

> Be courageous enough to let go of your blind fauth.

I do not have blind faith, that is for the belivers.

I'm seeking answers.

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.
monkfish - 23 Jun 2008 15:40 GMT
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>
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>
> I'm seeking answers.

Atheists have blind faith in their ability
to already know of all actual and possible ways
to prove everything actual or possible.
They cannot even dream of the possibility that
there could be physical forces not yet discovered
if not in this world than in other possible worlds.
They cannot even dream of the possibility that
there could be many more dimensions not yet discovered
if not in this world than in other possible worlds.
What a pity!

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Adonis - 23 Jun 2008 15:57 GMT
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>
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> if not in this world than in other possible worlds.
> What a pity!

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.
Phobos - 21 Jun 2008 17:19 GMT
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:48:07 -0500, monkfish wrote

> Do you ever get tired of
> your anachronistic interpretations?
>
> What would be the real message in context?

See over a period of time, you have not changed

Do you ever get tired of your inane repetitious questions?

What would be your real message in these questions?
Adonis - 21 Jun 2008 18:02 GMT
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9cfea74b85ac6843?
>
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> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

Do animals have a soul?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 00:25 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
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>
> Do animals have a soul?

Your question is erroneous and untruthful.

This simply shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit of
error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?

However, a Spirit-guided understanding of the following passage of the
Bible helps the discerning answer the following truthful version of
the question you asked:

Did Balaam's donkey have a soul?

*** begin Numbers 22:21-33 ***

Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the
princes of Moab. But GOD was very angry when he went, and the angel of
the LORD stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his
donkey, and his two servants were with him. When the donkey saw the
angel of the LORD standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand,
she turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat her to get her back
on the road. Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path between
two vineyards, with walls on both sides. When the donkey saw the angel
of the LORD, she pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam's foot
against it. So he beat her again. Then the angel of the LORD moved on
ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn,
either to the right or to the left. When the donkey saw the angel of
the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her
with his staff.

Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What
have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"

Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a
sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."

The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have
always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to
you?"

"No," he said.

Then the LORD opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the angel of the LORD
standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell
facedown.

The angel of the LORD asked him, "Why have you beaten your donkey
these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is
a reckless one before me. The donkey saw me and turned away from me
these three times. If she had not turned away, I would certainly have
killed you by now, but I would have spared her."

*** end Scripture reading ***

May GOD continue to bless the writing of His word in these usenet
newsgroups, in Jesus' awesome name.

Amen.

A Spirit-guided comment about Numbers 22:21-33:

Balaam's donkey had a soul that could have been slain by the angel of
the LORD.

Moreover, even Balaam's donkey knew not to fear humans who can kill
the body and do nothing more but instead she feared GOD, Who can kill
both body **and** soul.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in
hell." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:28)

Amen.

May you be wiser than Balaam's donkey by choosing to repent by
publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d

Until then, may we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile)
continue to pray for your perishing soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 00:44 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
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>
> *** end Scripture reading ***

What a nice story!!! I now know where the idea of the show "Mr ED" came from,
thank you!  But it does not answer the question on if animals have souls. I
would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.

> May GOD continue to bless the writing of His word in these usenet
> newsgroups, in Jesus' awesome name.
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> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 01:29 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 120 lines]
> What a nice story!!! I now know where the idea of the show "Mr ED" came from,
> thank you!

Laus Deo :-)

> But it does not answer the question on if animals have souls.

It does for the discerning.

> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.

Without the LORD, your assumptions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 01:33 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
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>
> It does for the discerning.

Discering in what? Does that mean you do not know?

>> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
>
> Without the LORD, your assumptions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

What assumptions? It was a question, maybe it's too hard for you. Do you want me
to type slower?

> May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
> for your perishing soul:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 01:59 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 129 lines]
>
> Discering in what?

Simply discerning:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3fa4ecde07979a5a

> Does that mean you do not know?

No.

It does mean you are incapable of understanding the answer given to
you.

> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your assumptions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> What assumptions?

Your erroneous assumption about the source of knowledge about souls.

> It was a question, maybe it's too hard for you. Do you want me
> to type slower?

This is not about what I want but everything about what GOD desires.

> > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
> > for your perishing soul:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > --
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 02:05 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
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> It does mean you are incapable of understanding the answer given to
> you.

I'm quite capable, the passage quoted gave no answer to the question. Do animals
have a soul.

>> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
>> >
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>
> Your erroneous assumption about the source of knowledge about souls.

Well that would mean that because I assumed you are telling the truth that you
are a doctor you would know, apparently I was in error on that matter.

>> It was a question, maybe it's too hard for you. Do you want me
>> to type slower?
>
> This is not about what I want but everything about what GOD desires.

How do you know what god desires?

>> > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
>> > for your perishing soul:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> > --
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 03:04 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/089d5ffed5a3e942?
>
> I'm quite capable, the passage quoted gave no answer to the question. Do animals
> have a soul.

An example was given of an animal that had a soul.

> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
> >> >
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> Well that would mean that because I assumed you are telling the truth that you
> are a doctor you would know, apparently I was in error on that matter.

GOD remains the Source of all knowledge.

Without the LORD, you will remain in error.

> >> It was a question, maybe it's too hard for you. Do you want me
> >> to type slower?
> >
> > This is not about what I want but everything about what GOD desires.
>
> How do you know what god desires?

GOD lets me know when HE is smiling at me.

> >> > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
> >> > for your perishing soul:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >> > --
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 03:19 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
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>
> An example was given of an animal that had a soul.

So because that animal has a soul it is alive in the same way a human is?

>> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
>> >> >
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>
> GOD remains the Source of all knowledge.
So god gives you all your knowledge?

> Without the LORD, you will remain in error.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> GOD lets me know when HE is smiling at me.
How?

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

>> >> > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
>> >> > for your perishing soul:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> >> > --
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 11:26 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> So because that animal has a soul it is alive in the same way a human is?

Yes.

> >> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
> >> >> >
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>
> So god gives you all your knowledge?

Yes.

> > Without the LORD, you will remain in error.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> How?

Omnipotence.

> Answer me this, does god know all things?

GOD is omniscient.

> Did god create the earth and life?

GOD is the Creator.

> Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?

GOD is the Author of all reality.

> Does god have a plan?

GOD is the Architect of all reality.

> If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?

By experiencing it.

> Is the bible the word of god?

The Bible is the written word of GOD.

> Is the bible an actual record of god?

No.

It is simply the written word of GOD.

> Is the bible an actual record of events?

It includes a partial record of actual events.

> Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?

GOD is simply Who HE is.

> Is god male or female?

GOD is simply Who HE is.

> Is jesus god?

Jesus is GOD the Son.

> Is the earth only as old as the bible says?

The age of the earth is not written in the Bible.

> Does prayer work?

GOD works through prayer as HE desires.

> Are prayers answered?

GOD answers prayer as HE desires.

> How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?

Many local shepherds, the Magi and their entourage, local town folk,
and many angels.

> Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?

Often in Mary's arms.

> Why didn't jesus author writings?

There was no need.  Kings do have scribes and Jesus is KING of kings
and LORD of lords.

> If jesus did author writings where are they?

N/A.

> How long did jesus stay in the grave?

Jesus' body was in its earthly tomb for 3 days and 2 nights.

Jesus' soul was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights preaching to the
eternally condemned.

It was not until Jesus' body and soul were reunited in hell that the
Messiah took the keys to death and hell from the devil thereby taking
all worldly power and authority from satan.

This is the same worldly power and authority that the devil offered
Jesus if He would bow down to worship satan.

> Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
> supposed to represent?

Christianity has no customs because it is not a religion but rather a
personal relationship with the risen LORD Jesus Christ.

Because each person is different, each personal relationship will
necessarily be different.

When there are shared rituals, people are following each other rather
than having a personal walk with Jesus.  In the extreme case of
religion with its rituals there are cults.

> >> >> > May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
> >> >> > for your perishing soul:
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> >> >> > --
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 12:33 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Yes.

So your saying an animal has salvation.

>> >> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
>> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Yes.

How does god do this?

>> > Without the LORD, you will remain in error.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Omnipotence.

The word means god is all powerful. How does god let you know what he desirers?

>> Answer me this, does god know all things?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> GOD is the Creator.

So god made the earth and life in the time frame  six days described in the book
of Genesis?

>> Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
>
> GOD is the Author of all reality.

So god then desides what is happening each day.

>> Does god have a plan?
>
> GOD is the Architect of all reality.

God has a plan, so you do not have free will.

>> If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
>
> By experiencing it.

God moves you? God controls your actions? Does not sound like free will.

>> Is the bible the word of god?
>
> The Bible is the written word of GOD.

That would mean that god is not a very nice god.

>> Is the bible an actual record of god?
>
> No.

What is Genesis all about then?

> It is simply the written word of GOD.

You sound confused.

>> Is the bible an actual record of events?
>
> It includes a partial record of actual events.

You then agree that the bible is full of holes.

>> Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
>
> GOD is simply Who HE is.

And what is that?

>> Is god male or female?
>
> GOD is simply Who HE is.

Your using a male word to describe, so I'll take that as god is male.

>> Is jesus god?
>
> Jesus is GOD the Son.

So god is a family of separate beings.

>> Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
>
> The age of the earth is not written in the Bible.

Well, Genesis tells how long god took to create the earth and life. The authors
of the other books took a lot of time to put in chronologies of the family trees
for the characters mentioned in the bible, I believe the bible does say how old
the earth is.

>> Does prayer work?
>
> GOD works through prayer as HE desires.

The naughty nice x-mas thing?

>> Are prayers answered?
>
> GOD answers prayer as HE desires.

God likes to break promises then.

>> How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
>
> Many local shepherds, the Magi and their entourage, local town folk,
> and many angels.

The bible does not say. It does not mention the local town folk. So what are the
Magi?

>> Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
>
> Often in Mary's arms.

It depends on what book you read. Matthew or Luke. In Matthew he's found to be
in the house. In Luke the barn. Which account is the accurate one?

>> Why didn't jesus author writings?
>
> There was no need.  Kings do have scribes and Jesus is KING of kings
> and LORD of lords.

Who were the scribes?

>> If jesus did author writings where are they?
>
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>
> Jesus' body was in its earthly tomb for 3 days and 2 nights.

Jesus said he was to be in the grave three days and three nights. Also he said
that after three days he would rise. The Hebrew's start a new day at sun set, so
the first part of a day is at sundown, night. Even with that, if jesus was put
in the grave just before sundown on Friday as the tradition of Easter teaches
and he popped out of the cave early Sunday morning, you do not have three days
and two nights. You have the night portion of Saturday, that is one night; the
day portion of Saturday, that is one day; the night portion of Sunday , that's
two nights. Oh......problem..................you do the math.

> Jesus' soul was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights preaching to the
> eternally condemned.

Where is that in the word of god called the bible? Are you make this up as you
go along?????

> It was not until Jesus' body and soul were reunited in hell that the
> Messiah took the keys to death and hell from the devil thereby taking
> all worldly power and authority from satan.

Your embellishing, aren't you? Or is god telling you that?

> This is the same worldly power and authority that the devil offered
> Jesus if He would bow down to worship satan.

I think your more confused than Andrew.

>> Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
>> supposed to represent?
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>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 14:02 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> So your saying an animal has salvation.

No.

The Holy Spirit has simply guided me to answer your earlier question
in the written affirmative.

> >> >> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
> >> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> How does god do this?

Omnipotence.

> >> > Without the LORD, you will remain in error.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> The word means god is all powerful. How does god let you know what he desirers?

HE has the power to do all things.

> >> Answer me this, does god know all things?
> >
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> So god made the earth and life in the time frame  six days described in the book
> of Genesis?

GOD's one day is unfathomable by us because HE is a non-temporal
Being.

This is why it is written that GOD's one day is like a thousand years
for us.

This means GOD's one day is way beyond our lifespan...

... even the lifespan of the early humans in Noah's time.

Therefore, GOD's one day is beyond worldly understanding.

> >> Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
> >
> > GOD is the Author of all reality.
>
> So god then desides what is happening each day.

Again, GOD is non-temporal.

> >> Does god have a plan?
> >
> > GOD is the Architect of all reality.
>
> God has a plan, so you do not have free will.

It remains part of GOD's plan that all souls retain HIS generous gift
of free will.

> >> If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
> >
> > By experiencing it.
>
> God moves you?

It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit, Who is GOD, in everything I say, do, and write.

> God controls your actions?

GOD determines what thoughts actually becomes action.

> Does not sound like free will.

Free will choice happens at the level of thought and not action.

It is the lies, which are all from satan, that robs people of their
free will when they wound the heart (see below).

> >> Is the bible the word of god?
> >
> > The Bible is the written word of GOD.
>
> That would mean that god is not a very nice god.

Most assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind,
just, and right (per a Spirit-guided understanding of Jeremiah 9:24).

> >> Is the bible an actual record of god?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What is Genesis all about then?

It is about man's fall from GOD's grace.

> You sound confused.

Not to the discerning, who understand GOD to be a non-temporal Being.

> >> Is the bible an actual record of events?
> >
> > It includes a partial record of actual events.
>
> You then agree that the bible is full of holes.

Those who do not understand that GOD is a non-temporal being remain
incapable of understanding the Bible.

> >> Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
> >
> > GOD is simply Who HE is.
>
> And what is that?

The non-temporal Being, Who is the Author of all reality.

> >> Is god male or female?
> >
> > GOD is simply Who HE is.
>
> Your using a male word to describe, so I'll take that as god is male.

GOD remains our Father in heaven.

Just as Jesus has no earthly father, we, who are Christians (either
Jew or gentile) have no heavenly mother.

You are invited to our wedding but you will have to be dressed
appropriately (robes washed white by the blood of the Lamb) or you
will be thrown out.

> >> Is jesus god?
> >
> > Jesus is GOD the Son.
>
> So god is a family of separate beings.

No.

> >> Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
> >
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> for the characters mentioned in the bible, I believe the bible does say how old
> the earth is.

If that were true, you should be able to easily cite the verse where
that information is given.

Instead, you remain pathologically untruthful.

> >> Does prayer work?
> >
> > GOD works through prayer as HE desires.
>
> The naughty nice x-mas thing?

No.

There is a right time for everything.

> >> Are prayers answered?
> >
> > GOD answers prayer as HE desires.
>
> God likes to break promises then.

No.

GOD remains ever faithful keeping all HIS promises.

> >> How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The bible does not say. It does not mention the local town folk. So what are the
> Magi?

Men from the east (China), who were much smarter than King Herod
because it was their choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
in everything they said and did:

"When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was
furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its
vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time
he had learned from the Magi." (Matthew 2:16)

> >> Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
> >
> > Often in Mary's arms.
>
> It depends on what book you read. Matthew or Luke. In Matthew he's found to be
> in the house. In Luke the barn. Which account is the accurate one?

The house (inn) had a vacancy the following day. It just did not have
any vacancy on the night that Jesus was born.

> >> Why didn't jesus author writings?
> >
> > There was no need.  Kings do have scribes and Jesus is KING of kings
> > and LORD of lords.
>
> Who were the scribes?

Jesus' disciples are HIS scribes to this day.

> >> If jesus did author writings where are they?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> day portion of Saturday, that is one day; the night portion of Sunday , that's
> two nights. Oh......problem..................you do the math.

It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit, in everything I say, do, and write.

GOD is always right.

You will always be wrong without GOD.

May the following passage from 2 Peter 2 help promote greater
understanding:

For if GOD did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to
hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if HE
did not spare the ancient world when HE brought the flood on its
ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and
seven others; if HE condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by
burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to
happen to the ungodly; and if HE rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was
distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men (for that righteous man,
living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul
by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— if this is so, then the LORD
knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous
for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. This is
especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful
nature and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial
beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful,
do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the
presence of the LORD. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not
understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born
only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will
perish.

They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their
idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and
blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. With
eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the
unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left
the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of
Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his
wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's
voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm.
Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful
words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature,
they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of
depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they
have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our LORD and
Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they
are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would
have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred
command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A
dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her
wallowing in the mud." (2 Peter 2:4-22)

> > Jesus' soul was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights preaching to the
> > eternally condemned.
>
> Where is that in the word of god called the bible? Are you make this up as you
> go along?????

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge
fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:40)

Hell is physically located in "the heart of the earth:"

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

> > It was not until Jesus' body and soul were reunited in hell that the
> > Messiah took the keys to death and hell from the devil thereby taking
> > all worldly power and authority from satan.
>
> Your embellishing, aren't you? Or is god telling you that?

"Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I
was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys
of death and Hades." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:17-19)

Amen.

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a
son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. HE approached the
Ancient of Days and was led into HIS presence. HE was given authority,
glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every
language worshiped HIM. HIS dominion is an everlasting dominion that
will not pass away, and HIS kingdom is one that will never be
destroyed." -- Prophet Daniel (Daniel 7:13-15)

Amen.

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME. Therefore
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to
obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always,
to the very end of the age." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:18-19)

Amen.

> > This is the same worldly power and authority that the devil offered
> > Jesus if He would bow down to worship satan.
> >
> I think your more confused than Andrew.

I am Andrew.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that you are the confused one.

Laus Deo !

Without the LORD, you will forever remain confused and worse.

> >> Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
> >> supposed to represent?
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> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 15:36 GMT
convicted neighbor Adonis wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Adonis wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> So your saying an animal has salvation.
( you )
No.

The Holy Spirit has simply guided me to answer your earlier question
in the written affirmative.

(me)

Then an animal has no soul.
> >> >> >> >> I would assume you of all people would know, your a doctor.
> >> >> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> How does god do this?

( you )
Omnipotence.

That just means god has all kinds of power, how does god give you knowledge?

> >> > Without the LORD, you will remain in error.
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> The word means god is all powerful. How does god let you know what he
> desirers?
( you )
HE has the power to do all things.

(me)
And with that power how does god let you know what he desires?

> >> Answer me this, does god know all things?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> book
> of Genesis?

GOD's one day is unfathomable by us because HE is a non-temporal
Being.

This is why it is written that GOD's one day is like a thousand years
for us.

This means GOD's one day is way beyond our lifespan...

... even the lifespan of the early humans in Noah's time.

(You)
Therefore, GOD's one day is beyond worldly understanding.
(me)
It's very easyr to understand. A day is a 24 hour period of time.
The idea of god being non-temporal is that it is eternal, it does not end. The
phrase has no relation to a day unit of measure or a year unit of measure.
Your just confused.

> >> Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
> >
> > GOD is the Author of all reality.
>
> So god then desides what is happening each day.
( you)
Again, GOD is non-temporal.
(me)
What does being forever have to do with deciding what a person does?

> >> Does god have a plan?
> >
> > GOD is the Architect of all reality.
>
> God has a plan, so you do not have free will.
(you)
It remains part of GOD's plan that all souls retain HIS generous gift
of free will.

(me)
So we dont get to keep the gift? How rude!

> >> If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
> >
> > By experiencing it.
>
> God moves you?
(you)
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit, Who is GOD, in everything I say, do, and write.
(me)
So it sounds like god just oozes from your pores like water?

> God controls your actions?
(you)
GOD determines what thoughts actually becomes action.
(me)
Dude, thats not free will. God is thinking for you and causing you to do things.

> Does not sound like free will.
(you)
Free will choice happens at the level of thought and not action.

It is the lies, which are all from satan, that robs people of their
free will when they wound the heart (see below).

(me)
So god and satan both talk to you?

> >> Is the bible the word of god?
> >
> > The Bible is the written word of GOD.
>
> That would mean that god is not a very nice god.
(you)
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind,
just, and right (per a Spirit-guided understanding of Jeremiah 9:24).
(me)

Why does god allow people to own other people then? Thats not nice, or kind.

> >> Is the bible an actual record of god?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What is Genesis all about then?
(you)
It is about man's fall from GOD's grace.
(me)
Genesis does not mention any thing about grace.

> You sound confused.

(you)
Not to the discerning, who understand GOD to be a non-temporal Being.
(me)
What does understanding what the term non-temporal have to do with discerning?

> >> Is the bible an actual record of events?
> >
> > It includes a partial record of actual events.
>
> You then agree that the bible is full of holes.

(you)
Those who do not understand that GOD is a non-temporal being remain
incapable of understanding the Bible.
(me)
It seems to me you have a problem, do you know what non-temporal means?

> >> Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
> >
> > GOD is simply Who HE is.
>
> And what is that?

The non-temporal Being, Who is the Author of all reality.

> >> Is god male or female?
> >
> > GOD is simply Who HE is.
>
> Your using a male word to describe, so I'll take that as god is male.
(you)
GOD remains our Father in heaven.

Just as Jesus has no earthly father, we, who are Christians (either
Jew or gentile) have no heavenly mother.

You are invited to our wedding but you will have to be dressed
appropriately (robes washed white by the blood of the Lamb) or you
will be thrown out.

(me)
Ok, so the god dude is male......
no heavenly mother...........does that mean an asexual birth?
What kind of robe? Blood stains, it will be kind brownish red.
What there are bouncers at the wedding?

> >> Is jesus god?
> >
> > Jesus is GOD the Son.
>
> So god is a family of separate beings.
(you)
No.
(me)
Make up your mind.

> >> Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> old
> the earth is.
(you)
If that were true, you should be able to easily cite the verse where
that information is given.

Instead, you remain pathologically untruthful.
(me)
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very
good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he
rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Thats a start.
Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died.

So we start with a seven day period of time, Adam lives 930 years..........there
are a whole lot more. In fact you can google and find very nice christian sites
that spells out just how old the earth is.

> >> Does prayer work?
> >
> > GOD works through prayer as HE desires.
>
> The naughty nice x-mas thing?
(you)
No.

There is a right time for everything.

(me)
There is? How is a person to know if the time is right?

> >> Are prayers answered?
> >
> > GOD answers prayer as HE desires.
>
> God likes to break promises then.
(you)
No.
(me)
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye
shall receive
(You)
GOD remains ever faithful keeping all HIS promises.
(me)
I know lots of people with unanswered prayers, so god lies and does not keep
it's promises.

> >> How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the
> Magi?

(you)
Men from the east (China), who were much smarter than King Herod
because it was their choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
in everything they said and did:
(me)
No.......that would be from waht is called modern day Iran.

(you)
"When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was
furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its
vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time
he had learned from the Magi." (Matthew 2:16)

> >> Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
> >
> > Often in Mary's arms.
>
> It depends on what book you read. Matthew or Luke. In Matthew he's found to be
> in the house. In Luke the barn. Which account is the accurate one?
(you)
The house (inn) had a vacancy the following day. It just did not have
any vacancy on the night that Jesus was born.
(me)
Matthew 2:2 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child
with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had
opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense,
and myrrh.

Luke 2:16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe
lying in a manger.

So which is it?

> >> Why didn't jesus author writings?
> >
> > There was no need.  Kings do have scribes and Jesus is KING of kings
> > and LORD of lords.
>
> Who were the scribes?

(you)
Jesus' disciples are HIS scribes to this day.
(me)
Why did it take at least 40 years to "scribe" his words then?

> >> If jesus did author writings where are they?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> day portion of Saturday, that is one day; the night portion of Sunday , that's
> two nights. Oh......problem..................you do the math.
(you)
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit, in everything I say, do, and write.

GOD is always right.

You will always be wrong without GOD.

May the following passage from 2 Peter 2 help promote greater
understanding:

For if GOD did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to
hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if HE
did not spare the ancient world when HE brought the flood on its
ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and
seven others; if HE condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by
burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to
happen to the ungodly; and if HE rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was
distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men (for that righteous man,
living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul
by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— if this is so, then the LORD
knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous
for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. This is
especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful
nature and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial
beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful,
do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the
presence of the LORD. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not
understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born
only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will
perish.

They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their
idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and
blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. With
eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the
unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left
the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of
Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his
wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's
voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm.
Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful
words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature,
they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of
depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they
have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our LORD and
Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they
are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would
have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred
command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A
dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her
wallowing in the mud." (2 Peter 2:4-22)
(me)

Well that's also a very nice story, but it does not explain the poor math.

> > Jesus' soul was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights preaching to the
> > eternally condemned.
>
> Where is that in the word of god called the bible? Are you make this up as you
> go along?????
(you)
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge
fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:40)

Hell is physically located in "the heart of the earth:"
(me)
Your quote agrees with me, and shows your problem with the time frame that
Easter is all about. You can not die and be buried late on a Friday, rise from
the dead on early Sunday and get three days and three nights.

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

> > It was not until Jesus' body and soul were reunited in hell that the
> > Messiah took the keys to death and hell from the devil thereby taking
> > all worldly power and authority from satan.
>
> Your embellishing, aren't you? Or is god telling you that?

"Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I
was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys
of death and Hades." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:17-19)

Amen.

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was One like a
son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. HE approached the
Ancient of Days and was led into HIS presence. HE was given authority,
glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every
language worshiped HIM. HIS dominion is an everlasting dominion that
will not pass away, and HIS kingdom is one that will never be
destroyed." -- Prophet Daniel (Daniel 7:13-15)

Amen.

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ME. Therefore
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to
obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always,
to the very end of the age." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:18-19)

Amen.

> > This is the same worldly power and authority that the devil offered
> > Jesus if He would bow down to worship satan.
> >
> I think your more confused than Andrew.

I am Andrew.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that you are the confused one.

Laus Deo !

Without the LORD, you will forever remain confused and worse.

> >> Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
> >> supposed to represent?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 22:10 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2007acedc52e19a5?
>
> Then an animal has no soul.

Incorrect.

It seems you have forgotten again that Balaam's donkey (an animal) had
a soul.

> That just means god has all kinds of power, how does god give you knowledge?

GOD is able to upload knowledge into my brain just as HE has been able
to delete the knowledge of Balaam's donkey having a soul from your
brain.

Truth is simple.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly serve as His proof of His omnipotence.

Laus Deo :-)

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile) continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 22:21 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It seems you have forgotten again that Balaam's donkey (an animal) had
> a soul.

I didn't forget anything, there is no mention in the story of the animal having
a soul.

>> That just means god has all kinds of power, how does god give you knowledge?
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 22:23 GMT
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I didn't forget anything, there is no mention in the story of the animal
> having a soul.

What is a soul?

>>> That just means god has all kinds of power, how does god give you knowledge?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>> --
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 22:32 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> What is a soul?

The essence of a life that includes free will per GOD's infinite will.

It remains clear to the discerning that Balaam's donkey was alive and
had free will because she freely chose to fear GOD instead of fearing
physical injury/death under the rod of Balaam.

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile) continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 22 Jun 2008 22:43 GMT
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> had free will because she freely chose to fear GOD instead of fearing
> physical injury/death under the rod of Balaam.

It was more likely the donkey did not want to walk into the wall. the definition
of the soul depends on what flavor of christianity you buy into. The fact is,
there is no soul.

> May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile) continue to pray
> for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Jun 2008 00:50 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> of the soul depends on what flavor of christianity you buy into. The fact is,
> there is no soul.

Love remains proof of soul.

Love is the lifeblood of a soul.

Just as blood is proof of body, love is proof of soul.

Truth is simple.

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Adonis - 23 Jun 2008 01:11 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
> for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:

Pray all you want good doctor, you nor I have a soul. We have a body and a mind.
The Hebrew word that translated to soul is nephesh means animal, a breathing
creature. In the Greek psuche, means the multiple things, your breath, your
mind, your life, us, you; it depends on the context the word is used. Your
donkey story coming out of the OT would be translated from the Hebrew language,
so the translated word means a breathing creature i.e. it's alive.

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Jun 2008 04:14 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> donkey story coming out of the OT would be translated from the Hebrew language,
> so the translated word means a breathing creature i.e. it's alive.

Your being unable to refute the proof of soul that the Holy Spirit has
guided me to write here should be noted by all.

Laus Deo ! ! !

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Adonis:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7b100b5ddbc5ce?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
Thom Madura - 23 Jun 2008 07:03 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Your being unable to refute the proof of soul that the Holy Spirit has
> guided me to write here should be noted by all.

Sorry Andrew -

You have provided NO proof of a soul nor of a Holy Ghost too - and that
is noted by all.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Jun 2008 09:30 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Sorry...

You are sorry...

... a sorry perishing soul.

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Thom:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3cef85cf7bd411d0?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

Andrew -

> You have provided NO proof of a soul nor of a Holy Ghost too - and that
> is noted by all.
Thom Madura - 23 Jun 2008 12:58 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>>> guided me to write here should be noted by all.
>> Sorry...

As I said - I don't need a heretic who doesn't even belong to the only
religion the christ started to pray for me - when you won't be saved
yourself.

Your god is would not have started his church unless he wanted you to
belong to it and would be discerning enough to eliminate YOU from
consideration.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Jun 2008 03:12 GMT
> Andrew , in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/70fdb8c72367d221?
>
> As I said...

Since this remains a written medium, you clearly remain in error.

Such is the perpetual state of all who are guided by the spirit of
error (self).

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Thom:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3cef85cf7bd411d0?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?
monkfish - 23 Jun 2008 16:27 GMT
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> the Hebrew language, so the translated word means a breathing creature
> i.e. it's alive.

Do you at least have a conscience?

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Adonis - 23 Jun 2008 16:34 GMT
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>
> Do you at least have a conscience?

Answer me this, does god know all things?
Did god create the earth and life?
Does god play a part in the events of life on earth?
Does god have a plan?
If god has this plan, how do you know what it is?
Is the bible the word of god?
Is the bible an actual record of god?
Is the bible an actual record of events?
Is god a trinity or a single being in a family?
Is god male or female?
Is jesus god?
Is the earth only as old as the bible says?
Does prayer work?
Are prayers answered?
How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?
Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?
Why didn't jesus author writings?
If jesus did author writings where are they?
How long did jesus stay in the grave?
Why are the customs of christianity so different from the events they are
supposed to represent?

I'll stop here, you answer these and well move forward.
Thom Madura - 22 Jun 2008 23:16 GMT
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> The essence of a life that includes free will per GOD's infinite will.

Your god practices coercion - not free will.

Free will is the ability to make a choice of options with similar results.

Your god is not allowing you that.

WHat he is saying is - chose my side or I will punish you completely and
eternally. That is not FREEDOM of choice - that is coercion. Your
freedom of choice is a fraud. That is the equivalent of holding a gun to
your head.

OF course - since your god is also the creator of all evil - it may be
possible that he PREFERS you do evil rather than good - since you have
no way of knowing.
Thom Madura - 22 Jun 2008 23:10 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> to delete the knowledge of Balaam's donkey having a soul from your
> brain.

Since you have never been able to prove with verifiable evidence the
existence of your god - then your claim is that something that does not
exist is the source of you knowledge.

That would explain the empty head.
Don Kirkman - 22 Jun 2008 20:49 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article
<80eca678-9f27-4b76-a0b4-584933bd9da4@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:

>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> How many people came to see jesus shortly after the birth?

>> > Many local shepherds, the Magi and their entourage, local town folk,
>> > and many angels.

>> The bible does not say. It does not mention the local town folk. So what are the
>> Magi?

>Men from the east (China), who were much smarter than King Herod
>because it was their choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
>in everything they said and did:

From the vicinity of modern Iran.  The Biblical Magi were
astronomers/astrologers (not kings) looking for signs in the stars.  If they
came seeking the baby Jesus they probably arrived a couple of years after the
birth, long after Jesus and his parents left Bethlehem.  

"The Magi (singular Magus, from Latin, via Greek µ???? ; Old English: Mage; from
Persian magu? and Kurdish mâgî) were a tribe from ancient Media[1], who ? prior
to the establishment the Achaemenid Empire in 550 BC ? were responsible for
religious and funerary practices of the ancient Iranian peoples.

"Later they accepted the Zoroastrian religion and developed it into Zurvanism,
which would become the predominant form of Zoroastrianism during the Sassanid
era (AD 226?650). No traces of Zurvanism exist beyond the 10th century. In
English, the term may refer to a shaman, sorcerer or wizard; it is the origin of
the words magic and magician."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi

"Chinese Language
"Victor H. Mair provides archaeological and linguistic evidence suggesting that
Chinese wu (? "shaman; witch, wizard; magician", Old Chinese *myag) was a
loanword from Old Persian *magu? "magician; magi".[10] He describes:

"The recent discovery at an early Chou site of two figurines with unmistakably
Caucasoid or Europoid feature is startling prima facie evidence of East-West
interaction during the first half of the first millennium Before the Current
Era. It is especially interesting that one of the figurines bears on the top of
his head the clearly incised graph ? which identifies him as a wu (< *myag).]"
[Ibid]

>"When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was
>furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its
>vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time
>he had learned from the Magi." (Matthew 2:16)

>> >> Was jesus in a manger still or someplace else?

>> > Often in Mary's arms.

It is to laugh.  :-)

>> It depends on what book you read. Matthew or Luke. In Matthew he's found to be
>> in the house. In Luke the barn. Which account is the accurate one?

>The house (inn) had a vacancy the following day. It just did not have
>any vacancy on the night that Jesus was born.

Chung has read the inn register, so what he writes must be true.

In that culture the animals were sometimes kept in a place within the house.

>> >> Why didn't jesus author writings?

>> > There was no need.  Kings do have scribes and Jesus is KING of kings
>> > and LORD of lords.

He had no scribes, but several fishermen, a tax collector, and assorted others
as his chosen followers.  One of them might have been a radical, a revolutionary
or an insurrectionist, according to some interpretations.  He himself was said
to have been a builder.

The Biblical scribes, associates of the Pharisees, were the guardians of the
Jewish writings for the temple and the synagogues, not historians.  They
generally were among those opposing Jesus.

>> >> How long did jesus stay in the grave?

>> > Jesus' body was in its earthly tomb for 3 days and 2 nights.

>> Jesus said he was to be in the grave three days and three nights. Also he said
>> that after three days he would rise. The Hebrew's start a new day at sun set, so
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> day portion of Saturday, that is one day; the night portion of Sunday , that's
>> two nights. Oh......problem..................you do the math.

In that culture the day of an event was the first day, the following day the
second, and the day after that the third.
Thom Madura - 22 Jun 2008 13:35 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 143 lines]
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

If kings had scribes - and the christ had them too =- where are the
documents - Andrew?

Surely - they would have been kept as the holiest of things - and
protected to the death.

Gee - not even a mention of them in your bible - not ONE. No mention of
scribes following your christ around. No mention of documents from
scribes - nothing.

Most of the quotes of the christ from the bible are from Paul and Luke -
two people who NEVER saw the christ in life - when he would have said
the things THEY quoted.

If your god is so almighty and so all-knowing - Why was he so all stupid
as to not leave behind PROOF of his words. Why did he only reveal
himself to his followers (Brethren) and apostles after he supposedly
rose from the dead? For that matter - why was NO ONE THERE when that
happened. Why did he not appear in front of the Temple in Jerusalem as a
spectacle for all to see - or in front of Herod or Pilate? He was god -
why not in front of Caesar - imagine how that would have spread around
the world.

Yet - it didn't. There is not ONE record of the christ in life in the
historical record of HIS time. (Or for that matter - moses too - moses
performed showier miracles than the christ did). THe Greeks were
prolific writers - documented WONDERS of the world - yet the escapades
of the christ are never mentioned until CENTURIES later - and as Myth.

As I have shown before - your god - the creator of evil - is just
another god made in the image and likeness of man - right down to his
Blonde Hair and Blue Eyed Arian form. And YOU cannot prove the bible is
anything but fiction - so you also cannot prove your god ever existed.

You don't belong to his church - and you pick and choose what you want
your religion to be.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jun 2008 14:11 GMT
> If kings had scribes - and the christ had them too =- where are the
> documents - Andrew?

They have been gathered up purposely and bound together into a book
that is known as the Bible:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2007acedc52e19a5?

May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
pray for your perishing soul, dear Thom:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3cef85cf7bd411d0?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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