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Pahu78@gmail.com - 19 May 2008 16:17 GMT
How Old Do Evolutionists Say the Universe Is? 2

Let’s suppose that the universe is 13.7 b.y. old. That is not enough
time for stars containing heavy chemical elements to form and then
transmit their light to Earth. A big bang would have produced only
hydrogen, helium, and lithium—the three lightest chemical elements.
Light from the most distant stars and galaxies shows that they contain
much heavier chemical elements such as carbon, iron, and lead—elements
that could not have been in the first generation of stars to form
after the big bang. Evolutionists, therefore, believe that the hundred
or so heavier chemical elements (97% of all chemical elements) were
produced either deep inside stars or when some stars exploded as
supernovas. Much later, a second generation of stars supposedly formed
with the heavy elements from that exploded debris.

In other words, a big bang would produce only the three lightest
chemical elements. Therefore, big bang advocates have struggled to
explain the origin of the heavier chemical elements (carbon, oxygen,
iron, lead etc.). To squeeze enough hydrogen nuclei together to form
some heavier elements would require the high temperatures inside
stars. Theoretically, to form elements heavier than iron requires
something much hotter—a supernova.

So, if a big bang happened, there would not be enough time afterward
to:
a. Form the first generation of stars out of hydrogen, helium, and
lithium.
b. Have many of those stars quickly (4) pass through their complete
life cycles then finally explode as supernovas to produce the heavier
chemical elements.
c. Recollect, somehow, enough of that exploded debris to form the
second generation of stars. (Some were quasars thought to be powered
by black holes, billions of times more massive than our Sun!
d. Transmit the light from these heavy elements to Earth, immense
distances away.

4.    For this to happen quickly, evolutionists must assume that the
first stars were giants, more than a hundred times larger than the
Sun. (Theoretically, more massive stars would burn faster.) Thus,
textbooks confidently say that the first stars were giants.

No one knows that the first stars were giants. It’s a required
assumption if stars evolved. In fact, characteristics of the light we
should see from the first generation of evolved stars is missing. [See
Piero Madau, “Trouble at First Light,” Nature, Vol. 440, 20 April
2006, pp. 1002–1003.]

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ119.html#wp1573636
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 16:52 GMT
Suggested reading:

http://EvolutionIsDegeneration.com

May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...

.. by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

.. gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.. for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 20:12 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD beating on about hunger and its wonder everyday
(yawn) :

> Hunger is wonderful

Then the urge to urinate or defacate is also wonderful.  Thirst is also
wonderful.  Most physiological functions are wonderful.

You're point - other than being totally ridiculous - is what exactly?

Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 20:44 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote :
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/501b5bf3f68140c9?
>
> Then the urge to urinate or defacate is also wonderful.

Incorrect.

Those urges are simply necessary to inform us of a need.

>Thirst is also wonderful.

Incorrect.

This is necessary to inform us of a need to drink.

> Most physiological functions are wonderful.

Neither hunger nor thirst are physiological functions but rather the
indicators of wants and needs respectively.

> You're point - other than being totally ridiculous - is what exactly?

That your lies have people confusing their wanting (hunger) with their
needing (starvation) food.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

> Thanks.

Yes, you are a glutton for the rebuking.

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Mike Mordant - 19 May 2008 20:57 GMT
On May 19, 2:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> Andrew <><
> --http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

Obviously, Uncle Fredrick is not fearful.   Andrew, you are projecting
your own fear.  You should be afraid, and take that fear as a sign you
need help.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 22:10 GMT
satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Obviously, Uncle Fredrick (one of satan's sockpuppets) is not fearful.

Not for the discerning.

> Andrew, you are projecting your own fear.

Without the LORD, your fantasy is meaningless (Ecclesiastes)

Those blessed by GOD have HIS peace, which surpasses all worldly
understanding.

Bottom line:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cbaf8b927dc443f4?

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 22:19 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :

>>> Yes, you are a glutton for the rebuking.
>>
>> Obviously, Uncle Fredrick  is not fearful.
>
> Not for the discerning.

And who exactly are these mythical creatures (other than yourself)?

>> Andrew, you are projecting your own fear.
>
> Without the LORD, your fantasy is meaningless (Ecclesiastes)

Fact is not fantasy.

But surely anyone that writes "satan unwittingly reveals that he is
afraid of people who choose to be hungry." is living in Cuckoo land...
Cary Kittrell - 19 May 2008 22:33 GMT
> 916f3f88@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <67b93a1a-ac2f-4aa5-b0b0-44bceabe08d1@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9b7daa375ce3d068789737e9f420b9a4
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> But surely anyone that writes "satan unwittingly reveals that he is
> afraid of people who choose to be hungry." is living in Cuckoo land...

You could have started out with "surely someone who truly believes
that Satan Himself is communicating with him over the internet..."

-- cary
Linda Lee - 19 May 2008 23:21 GMT
> In article <mn.9d3e7d85ab02924d.90...@VoneHassen.net> Uncle Frederik  <Freder...@VoneHassen.net> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> -- cary

LOL. That likely is what Andrew believes. Satan *does* go by many
different names, doesn't he?
Cary Kittrell - 20 May 2008 00:13 GMT
> > In article <mn.9d3e7d85ab02924d.90...@VoneHassen.net> Uncle Frederik  <Freder...@VoneHassen.net> writes:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> LOL. That likely is what Andrew believes. Satan *does* go by many
> different names, doesn't he?

Oh, Andrew is entirely explicit about this: any poster who Andrew thinks
has blasphemed the Holy Spirit has thereby become a demon -- literally --
and has been taken over and is being used by Satan to post to Usenet.  Andrew
inevitably and without fail replaces their actual names in attributions --
you know, where it says something like "Joe wrote" -- with  
"satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) ..."

And he's not just indulging in your everyday usenet put-downs: he literally
believes that Satan is on the other end of the link.

--cary
Uncle Frederik - 20 May 2008 00:56 GMT
Cary Kittrell wrote :
> In article
> <90bedc2e-98d1-4206-8f03-d03a1259ea28@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Linda Lee

>>>> And who exactly are these mythical creatures (other than yourself)?
>>>>>> Andrew, you are projecting your own fear.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> you know, where it says something like "Joe wrote" -- with  
> "satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) ..."

Andrew and Satan have a love-hate relationship going on.  Although it
is predominantly one-sided, somehow Satan is always "unwittingly"
revealing things to Andrew...

In the past Andrew had given a graphic description of Satan's "member".
We are not sure when this encounter took place and what happened, but
perhaps at some point Satan "unwittingly" revealed it to him?

> And he's not just indulging in your everyday usenet put-downs: he literally
> believes that Satan is on the other end of the link.

Andrew is Satan's promoter and #1 fan!!  Not a day will go by without
Andrew making a reference to Satan.  Satan must love Andrew a lot,
unwittingly.
monkfish - 20 May 2008 01:36 GMT
> Cary Kittrell wrote :
>> In article
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Andrew making a reference to Satan.  Satan must love Andrew a lot,
> unwittingly.

Is this the way you spend your life?
Ever tried to think some good thoughts?

Can you love things that do not exist?

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MU - 23 May 2008 12:50 GMT
> LOL. That likely is what Andrew believes. Satan *does* go by many
> different names, doesn't he?

Certainly does. And who are you?
Dancing Monkey - 23 May 2008 14:03 GMT
Well.. you must be Mr Chang's bum boi.  Good news is that if you both dance
for me you both get pizzas.

Dance boi. Ymm . Pizza
Thom Madura - 20 May 2008 01:49 GMT
>> 916f3f88@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <67b93a1a-ac2f-4aa5-b0b0-44bceabe08d1@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9b7daa375ce3d068789737e9f420b9a4
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> -- cary

Great line! (lol)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 May 2008 03:35 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote :
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > But surely anyone that writes "satan unwittingly reveals that he is
> > afraid of people who choose to be hungry." is living in Cuckoo land...

Lie.

> You could have started out with "surely someone who truly believes
> that Satan Himself is communicating with him over the internet..."

When the discerning read a lie, they understand that the source of the
lie is satan because it is written in the Bible that satan is the
source of all lies and that lying is his native language.

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (John 8:44).

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/328e4a767af195eb?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Cary Kittrell - 20 May 2008 04:02 GMT
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote :
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> lie is satan because it is written in the Bible that satan is the
> source of all lies and that lying is his native language.

Likewise, the perceptive Use.netter can spot a net.loon at 100 paces.
Downwind.  On a dark night.  While juggling three chainsaws and a possum.

That's because we get so many of them.

-- cary

> "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
> father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 May 2008 04:25 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> That's because we get so many of them.

Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you as HE has convicted dear Rod:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/328e4a767af195eb?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?
Uncle Frederik - 20 May 2008 12:33 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 20/05/2008 :

>> Likewise, the perceptive Use.netter can spot a net.loon at 100 paces.
>> Downwind.  On a dark night.  While juggling three chainsaws and a possum.
>>
>> That's because we get so many of them.
>
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Truth: FACT is not FANTASY.

Your inability to distinguish the two make you "unwittingly"  stupid
and dangerous.
Cary Kittrell - 22 May 2008 19:04 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

And yet I'm right and you're wrong.  What are the chances?

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 May 2008 21:22 GMT
You are still:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/AttentionSeekingCary

Who doe not know how to...

http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Convicts
Cary Kittrell - 22 May 2008 21:37 GMT
> You are still:

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AttentionSeekingCary

And how many dozen addresses are you up to now, Andy?  And how many
posts to this group just this month alone?

You REALLY ought to see an opthamologist about that beam.

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 May 2008 09:17 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1f86ab511a881c93?> >
>
> And how many dozen addresses are you up to now, Andy?

Countless.

Laus Deo :-)

> And how many posts to this group just this month alone?

Countless.

Laus Deo :-)

> You REALLY ought to see an opthamologist about that beam.

GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to seek attention.

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Rod - 23 May 2008 01:21 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?

  Andrew, do not use me or my name in your campaign to reform
  anyone....

   And Andrew, I'm not dead yet.......

   Rod
Cary Kittrell - 23 May 2008 02:25 GMT
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>    Andrew, do not use me or my name in your campaign to reform
>    anyone....

Well, if it's any consolation, no one follows his links-to-dozens-of-links-
to-hundreds-of-links-to-thousands-of-links- fountain of postings.

>     And Andrew, I'm not dead yet.......

And that's good to hear.

<Andrew: insert obligatory "text-based" concrete thinking here>

-- cary
Rod - 23 May 2008 17:52 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you as HE has convicted dear Rod:

  Are you getting your quota of attention, Andrew ? Please cease using
  my name in your campaign to foul the bandwidth with this crap !

  Oh yea.....I'm not dead yet, BTW.....

   Rod
Cary Kittrell - 23 May 2008 18:40 GMT
In article  Rod <icom706@att.net> writes:

> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>    Are you getting your quota of attention, Andrew ? Please cease using
>    my name in your campaign to foul the bandwidth with this crap !

Well, you're hardly alone.  The soi-dissant "convicts list"
now contains over ten times as many names as Richard
Nixon's little list did.

>    Oh yea.....I'm not dead yet, BTW.....

Intellectually you're a lot more lively than Andrew is
any more.  For starters, we can tell one of your posts from
another of your posts.

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 May 2008 19:09 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>    Are you getting your quota of attention, Andrew ?

GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform rather than to garner
attention.

> Please cease using
>    my name in your campaign to foul the bandwidth with this crap !

It remains my choice to continue to receiving guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?

>    Oh yea.....I'm not dead yet, BTW.....

You would be if we, who are Christian, were to stop praying for you.

Instead, may we, who are Christian, continue to pray for your
persishing soul, dear Rod:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6866c88724a6f93b?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 23 May 2008 19:19 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD laid this down on his screen :

>>    Are you getting your quota of attention, Andrew ?
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform rather than to garner
> attention.

And there was me thinking he was punishing you by getting you beaten
up, taking your job away, your wife and kids away ....

<spam removed>
Dancing Monkey - 23 May 2008 19:32 GMT
Mr Chang is a sucker for pizza.  He won't be getting his quota today,
though.
Cary Kittrell - 23 May 2008 19:53 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> You would be if we, who are Christian, were to stop praying for you.

Odd how Rod managed to stay alive for all those decades before
you ever heard of him...

-- cary

> Instead, may we, who are Christian, continue to pray for your
> persishing soul, dear Rod:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Rod - 23 May 2008 22:19 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> You would be if we, who are Christian, were to stop praying for you.

  Ahh......the old "what you don't know can hurt you" trick....and this
  will accomplish....what ? Will I just be overcome with fear and fall
  into line ?

  Let me remind you of a previous failure that you didn't learn from. If
  memory served me correctly you claimed that either the Holy Spirit, or
  Christ were "clairvoyant", yet "someone" who knows "all things" failed
  to "know" that "Janet" had been dead for nearly a year.

  Now, I'm not saying these things to throw kindness back into anyones
  face, no matter what "persuasion" they are, I'm saying this because
  you've got a serious problem. According to the rules of the lore that
  you follow, miracles and healings always accompany the Presence of the
  Holy One.

  Now, a wise man will admit his doubt and fear, and I still have some,
  but they do not rule me as they once did. I'm here to tell you that
  what the church has done to those people that they came into contact
  with is more than criminal. It doesn't matter if they are atheist,
  christian, hindu, muslim or whatever, man is YOUR species, and you
  don't do things like that to your own kind OR any living creature,
  but I guess "god" failed to make this clear to them and YOU, eh ?

> Instead, may we, who are Christian, continue to pray for your
> persishing soul, dear Rod:

  Far be it from me to throw kindness back into anyones face...

  We all are perishing, Andrew. If you have hopes and well wishes
  for others than demonstrate it in whatever method you choose,
  and in place of spamming them work with them, make a few friends,
  show some kindness and consideration for others by not spamming
  people or convicting them of nothing worse than having reasonable
  doubts and a few insults.....
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 May 2008 01:36 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>    will accomplish....what ? Will I just be overcome with fear and fall
>    into line ?

No.

However, you should hope we, who are Christian, do not tire praying on
behalf of your perishing soul as we did in Bob Pastorio's case:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/af84eabdd6f54ef1?

May we continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Rod:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6866c88724a6f93b?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?
Truth - 24 May 2008 01:51 GMT
On May 23, 5:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Now you're just being plain evil, Chung. You and anything you did or
didn't do had nothing to do with Bob Pastorio's death from cancer. You
are truly mentally ill and twisted. No decent Christian would claim to
be responsible for someone elses death.

Chung, you deserve to rot in your idea of hell for your lies and
gloating about a decent man's death. You are cursed and petty and will
rot in hell. You are a failure in this lifetime and have nothing else
to look forward to and all of your ranting about Jesus and the Holy
Spirit is just your mental illness talking to you. Shame on you.
Truth - 24 May 2008 01:53 GMT
> On May 23, 5:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I forgot to change the title and remove the Christian newsgroups, so
I'll post this again:
On May 23, 5:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

> convicted friend Rod wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Rod wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a3b7a3564b7743eb?
> > >>>> Likewise, the perceptive Use.netter can spot a net.loon at 100 paces.
> > >>>> Downwind.  On a dark night.  While juggling three chainsaws and a possum.

> > >>>> That's because we get so many of them.
> > >>> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> > >>> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > >>> you as HE has convicted dear Rod:
> > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?
> > >>    Are you getting your quota of attention, Andrew ?

> > > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform rather than to garner
> > > attention.

> > >> Please cease using
> > >>    my name in your campaign to foul the bandwidth with this crap !

> > > It remains my choice to continue to receiving guidance of the Holy
> > > Spirit in everything I say, do, and write:

> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?

> > >>    Oh yea.....I'm not dead yet, BTW.....

> > > You would be if we, who are Christian, were to stop praying for you.

> >    Ahh......the old "what you don't know can hurt you" trick....and this
> >    will accomplish....what ? Will I just be overcome with fear and fall
> >    into line ?

> No.

> However, you should hope we, who are Christian, do not tire praying on
> behalf of your perishing soul as we did in Bob Pastorio's case:

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/af84eabdd6f54ef1?

> May we continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Rod:

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6866c88724a6f93b?

> Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

> Andrew <><
> --http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Now you're just being plain evil, Chung. You and anything you did or
didn't do had nothing to do with Bob Pastorio's death from cancer.
You
are truly mentally ill and twisted. No decent Christian would claim
to
be responsible for someone elses death.

Chung, you deserve to rot in your idea of hell for your lies and
gloating about a decent man's death. You are cursed and petty and
will
rot in hell. You are a failure in this lifetime and have nothing else
to look forward to and all of your ranting about Jesus and the Holy
Spirit is just your mental illness talking to you. Shame on you.
Uncle Frederik - 24 May 2008 02:36 GMT
Truth formulated  :

> Now you're just being plain evil, Chung. You and anything you did or
> didn't do had nothing to do with Bob Pastorio's death from cancer.

It seems Chung has still not recovered from the whooping received from
Bob.  Poor Chung could not bear it that he stopped responding to Bob.  
:-)

> Chung, you deserve to rot in your idea of hell for your lies and
> gloating about a decent man's death.

He's already rotting.  Albeit, on planet earth.  No job.. No wife.. No
life.. list goes on...

> You are a failure in this lifetime and have nothing else
> to look forward to and all of your ranting about Jesus and the Holy
> Spirit is just your mental illness talking to you. Shame on you.

Oddly somehow Chung thinks he is immune from disease and immortal.  
Wonder what he will die of...  Stupidity probably...
activ - 24 May 2008 04:38 GMT
On May 23, 7:51 pm, Truth <yamant...@aol.com>

> Now you're just being plain evil, Chung. You and anything you did or
> didn't do had nothing to do with Bob Pastorio's death from cancer. You
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to look forward to and all of your ranting about Jesus and the Holy
> Spirit is just your mental illness talking to you. Shame on you.

In dealing with psychiatric patients, would the above be appropriate
and would a Board of Medical Examiners find it be acceptable comments
from a doctor in a public forum?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 May 2008 03:49 GMT
> satan masquerading as Truth via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon <yamant...@aol.com>) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> and would a Board of Medical Examiners find it be acceptable comments
> from a doctor in a public forum?

As if satan were a doctor:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0716b129dc575afd?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Rod - 24 May 2008 05:43 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> However, you should hope we, who are Christian, do not tire of praying on
> behalf of your perishing soul as we did in Bob Pastorio's case:

  Is that what you believe you did to Bob ? Well, aren't YOU the little
  power monger of the month !

  That has to be the one damndest statement I've ever seen. I would
  never have thought that you could sink so low.

   Rod
Cary Kittrell - 24 May 2008 20:51 GMT
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>    That has to be the one damndest statement I've ever seen. I would
>    never have thought that you could sink so low.

Oh, Andrew has been gleefully towing Bob Pastorio's corpse around
behind him for quite some time now.

-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 May 2008 01:02 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> Oh, Andrew has been gleefully towing Bob Pastorio's corpse around
> behind him for quite some time now.

Actually, reminding you of Bob Pastorio's demise has served well to
squelch any glee you and others have had in the induldence of lawless
behavior:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/328e4a767af195eb?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Zen Cohen - 25 May 2008 01:38 GMT
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love15@lying.com> wrote in message
...> Actually, reminding you of Bob Pastorio's demise has served well to
> squelch any glee you and others have had in the induldence of lawless
> behavior:

Wrong. It has served well to underscore over and over what a vile piece of
excrement you are to revel in the death of another and what a sick fool you
are by believing you or forces somehow sympathetic to your had anything to
do with it. Though it is tempting at times to pity you for your wretched
existence, any such feeling is quashed whenever you bring up Bob as if his
tragic and untimely death represents some sort of victory for you, your
idiotic beliefs, or your imaginary god.

BTW, what was Bob's "lawless behavior"? Living well? Having friends? Putting
a fool (ie, you) in his place again and again? Sounds more like you're
jealous you have none of what he had.
Zen Cohen - 25 May 2008 01:54 GMT
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <loves@lying.com> wrote in message
> ...> Actually, reminding you of Bob Pastorio's demise has served well to
>> squelch any glee you and others have had in the induldence of lawless
>> behavior:
>
> Wrong. It has served well to underscore over and over ....

One other thing, any person who takes joy from the death of another and who
would feel that way if many others he wrongly charactrizes as satan died has
no right to practice medicine. We can only hope the GA authorities agree.
BTW do you still think their being christians will save you?
Cary Kittrell - 25 May 2008 02:04 GMT
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> squelch any glee you and others have had in the induldence of lawless
> behavior:

Nope, I'm as gleefully lawless as ever.  Horrifyingly indulcent.

(and I've got the pictures to prove it)

-- cary

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 May 2008 02:16 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/328e4a767af195eb?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9adc500316e28fce?
Mark K. Bilbo - 25 May 2008 02:53 GMT
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> (and I've got the pictures to prove it)

Pictures? How last week.

Where's the YouTube video?
Smiler - 26 May 2008 06:32 GMT
>> In article
>> <399059e1-6bf2-4bf8-a086-a25bb443dc63@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Where's the YouTube video?

Held in 'protective' custody by the EAC(ntie) until required for 'future
operations'.
(Blackmail is such a nasty word :-)

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 May 2008 09:37 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aed83e1d3bd20ee6?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 May 2008 06:10 GMT
convicted friend Rod <icom706@att.net> wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aae0b546a68574a4?
>
> Is that what you believe you did to Bob ?

No.

I am not GOD but rather just one of HIS disciples, who will continue to pray for your perishing soul, dear Rod:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
monkfish - 23 May 2008 20:28 GMT
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>     Rod

The best way to deal with trolling is to post
as many on-topic and substantive messages as possible.
When is the last time you did that?

[theology]
We all need the ultimate point of reference.
God is the best one so far for many people.
Atheists need to provide one of their own
instead of just attacking God in a tangential way.
They need to come up with a comprehensive
naturalistic ethical system.
Until they do that, they are relying on blind faith.
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Don Kirkman - 20 May 2008 08:15 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article
<a7b7f3e4-4f2f-4702-b633-46fcd81d39bf@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
>father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
>the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
>native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -- LORD
>Jesus Christ (John 8:44).

It's not nice to misquote Jesus, Doctor.  Your lack of Greek betrays you again.
You (or, more likely, someone you're borrowing from) seems to have confused the
Greek work "idion" [appropriate, one's own, one's nature] for "idiom", speech
pattern or usage.  The Revised Standard Version has it right:

". . . When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and
the father of lies"

Point 1:  "Devil" is not the same as "satan."
Point 2:  Note the idioMatic use of "father" as metaphor, not as literal
begetter.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 May 2008 10:53 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> It's not nice to misquote Jesus, Doctor.

Did not misquote HIM.

> Your lack of Greek betrays you again.

Not for the discerning.

> You (or, more likely, someone you're borrowing from) seems to have confused the
> Greek work "idion" [appropriate, one's own, one's nature] for "idiom", speech
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Point 1:  "Devil" is not the same as "satan."

Not for the discerning.

> Point 2:  Note the idioMatic use of "father" as metaphor, not as literal
> begetter.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to unwittingly agree with the understanding that satan is the source
of all lies.

Laus Deo !

May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Don:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 20 May 2008 12:37 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD submitted this idea :

>> ". . . When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar
>> and the father of lies"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for....

Actually you could have thanked Don for that nice lesson lesson.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 May 2008 04:41 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5dfdf221e41ba754?
>
> Actually you could have thanked Don for that nice lesson lesson.

Will continue to pray for his perishing soul...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?

... while rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 21 May 2008 08:19 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 21/05/2008 :

> Will continue to pray for his (Don Kirkman's) perishing soul...

What makes you believe that Don's soul is "perishing"?  Who informed
you of this?  Is this your personal belief or do you have any objective
evidence?

Do people that disagree with you and have different opinions in general
have "perishing" souls?

Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 May 2008 11:59 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6b5ed2ca868902b1?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?
Uncle Frederik - 21 May 2008 12:05 GMT
The angry Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD used his keyboard to spam :

> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 21/05/2008 :
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks.

<spam removed>

Poor Andrew... I note that you are unable to answer truthfully today.  
The medical board would also like to know what you mean by that
phrase..

What's wrong - are you getting weaker?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 May 2008 18:47 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Wimpsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
Uncle Frederik - 21 May 2008 18:49 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 21/05/2008 :

> Will continue to pray for his (Don Kirkman's) perishing soul...

What makes you believe that Don's soul is "perishing"?  Who informed
you of this?  Is this your personal belief or do you have any objective
evidence?

Do people that disagree with you and have different opinions in general
have "perishing" souls?

Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 May 2008 18:51 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
Uncle Frederik - 21 May 2008 18:55 GMT
Truth - 20 May 2008 17:26 GMT
"Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). "

This is another fabrication from Chung's twisted, diseased mind. There
is no phrase such as this in Ecclesiastes. He's used this made up
phrase and others that he attributed to the Holy Spirit when it suits
his fancy and serves his vanity. Chung is evil. Chung is a liar. Chung
is not a Christian; he serves his own ego.
Rod - 23 May 2008 01:25 GMT
> "Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). "
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> his fancy and serves his vanity. Chung is evil. Chung is a liar. Chung
> is not a Christian; he serves his own ego.

  He is writing his own scriptures as the story progresses. You people
and your replies to Andrew are going into another historical journal
like the bible. It looks to me as if he plans to use people as an
example of what you can expect to become when you turn away from
the god of the bible.
MU - 23 May 2008 12:49 GMT
> -- cary

Hello there cary, good to see that you haven't changed one bit. Or
should I say, bad to see that.

I would love to engage you in debate but your history is one of
absolutely refusing to do so.

Which makes you both a coward and very bright. :)
Dancing Monkey - 23 May 2008 14:03 GMT
Now now...do tell us what you think of Mr Chang's homosexual fantasies.

We are ALL waiting and I will buy you and Mr Chang garlic bread with that
pizza.  Like it? Answer now.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 May 2008 02:46 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Valuelesssatan

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
Mike Mordant - 21 May 2008 23:56 GMT
On May 19, 4:10 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
[quoted text clipped - 89 lines]
> Andrew <><
> --http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

Discerning - hardly Every time you post you prove only that you are a
nasty delusional little man with no purpose other than to be an
annoyance.

Having single handedly destroyed SMC and severely disrupted other
groups and forums you have accomplished nothing but bringin shame on
yourself.
Midwinter - 22 May 2008 01:59 GMT
Mike Mordant <mikemordant@yahoo.com> said :

> Having single handedly destroyed SMC and severely disrupted other
> groups and forums you have accomplished nothing but bringin shame on
> yourself.

That's working on the assumption that he's capable of feeling, or even
grasping the idea of, 'shame'.
monkfish - 22 May 2008 02:03 GMT
> Mike Mordant <mikemordant@yahoo.com> said :
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> That's working on the assumption that he's capable of feeling, or even
> grasping the idea of, 'shame'.

All yours.

The best way to deal with trolling is to post
as many on-topic and substantive messages as possible.
When is the last time you did that?

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Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 21:32 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD waffled :

>> Then the urge to urinate or defacate is also wonderful.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Those urges are simply necessary to inform us of a need.

Without those urges you would die as you would not be able to excrete
waste from your body.

>> Thirst is also wonderful.
>
> Incorrect.

Feeling thirsty with the anticipation of quenching it is as wonderful
as feeling hungry with the anticipation of eating.

Truth is you are selling a diet - hence the spam - and the emphasis on
hunger.  The discerning have you sussed out.

> This is necessary to inform us of a need to drink.
>
>> Most physiological functions are wonderful.
>
> Neither hunger nor thirst are physiological functions but rather the
> indicators of wants and needs respectively.

But eating and drinking are physiological functions.

>> You're point - other than being totally ridiculous - is what exactly?
>
> That your lies have people confusing their wanting (hunger) with their
> needing (starvation) food.

If you were selling plumbing supplies, what would be the magic
catchphrase?

<spam removed>
Preventer of Work - 20 May 2008 04:21 GMT
I, a sock puppet of satan, and a demon from that dark and fiery realm,
have come to give you warning. My master cannot see this message, for
it is encrypted for your eyes only. Heed my warning and save your soul:

Please place $20,000 in small unmarked bills under the garbage cans by
the red house at the corner.

Failure to do so with make LORD Almighty GOD very unhappy.
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 20:52 GMT
Uncle Frederik wondered in amazement at Dr Chung:

>> Hunger is wonderful
>
> Then the urge to urinate or defacate is also wonderful.  Thirst is also
> wonderful.  Most physiological functions are wonderful.
>
> Your point - other than being totally ridiculous - is what exactly?

Perhaps if you were selling continence pads instead of the omer diet
thing, you would be spamming every newsgroup on Usenet saying "Urge is
wonderful"...

And if you take the toilet paper trade what snappy phrase would you
have coined, I wonder....
 
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