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Daily Spirit-guided thought for 04/30/08.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Apr 2008 10:50 GMT http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/122967.html
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
guardian Snow - 30 Apr 2008 10:57 GMT heartdoc20 @emorycardiology.co
having changed accounts already once today... chung shows what a deceitful spammer he is..
I'll complain about this account also..
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 30 Apr 2008 11:20 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan
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J666 - 30 Apr 2008 14:59 GMT > chung shows what a > deceitful spammer he is.. There is no deceit with the Celestial Chicken - what you see is what you get.
J666 - 30 Apr 2008 15:01 GMT "There is a reason so many food taste like chicken" Fried Egg
J A - 01 May 2008 00:05 GMT If some all-knowing, all-powerful being exists that created us and sent down his word to mankind, then why are there so many religions, that all think they have the one truth, with so many different dogmas and conceptions of this all-knowing, all powerful being?
Even within the world's mainline religions, there are all sorts of different sects that are often at each other's throats. Wouldn't a god who is all-knowing and all-powerful be able to convey to mankind knowledge and values in a competent manner?
Doesn't all this disagreement and fragmentation indicate that religion is man-made?
bwmeyers@toast.net - 01 May 2008 00:32 GMT >Doesn't all this disagreement and fragmentation indicate that religion is >man-made? Now you're getting closer! Yes, religion is man made, but only under the controlling action of a puppeteer, a real being, called satan, "the god of this world." he has blinded the minds of them that believe not. (Ephesians 2:1-3, 2 Corinthians 4:2, etc).
And by that "definition," Christianity is not a religion:
Here is the first section of my Christmas message, given to my Aviation Class at Central Washington University several years ago:
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WHAT YOU DIDN'T GET FOR CHRISTMAS
PART 1
This is December, 2001. The designation is recognized almost everywhere in the civilized world.
What do we mean, "2001?" Well, of course, that means "2001 anno domini," or the "year of our Lord, 2001." The world's calendar, in other words, is based on the honor of the entry into the world of a Man known to most as "Jesus Christ."
So, when we speak of Christ, or of Christianity, we aren't talking about a "religion." We are talking about the central fact of all history, that the whole civilized world, whether it likes it or not, is firmly aware of and has recognized.
And the following are not religious beliefs; they are facts from the best ancient history records in existence . If the following are not facts, then as Napoleon said, "history is all so much bunk:"
His coming was announced by the Hebrew prophets since the beginning of man .
The moment of His birth was announced by angels and prophets , and accompanied by astronomical signs.
Thousands of hopelessly sick people came to Him, and "He healed them all! "
He completely controlled animals, men, weather, and space and time around Him.
He already knew, intimately, people He had never met .
He raised the dead back to life.
He claimed to be God ; and the Scriptures and the men who knew Him agree.
He fulfilled the prophecies about the coming Messiah (that is, The Christ) to the exact date and day of the week.
He was murdered on the exact date and day of the week specified in the prophets.
Accompanying His murder was three hours of total darkness over all the world, attested to by secular history, and which was lifted by His words at the end: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani." He returned to life on the third day, attested to by over 500 people still living 15 years afterward .
A large crowd saw Him leave the earth, alive, from a mountain top, with the promise that He would return in the same way .
The world remembers, in spite of all the efforts made by rulers, churches, universities, foundations, scientists, historians, journalists, teachers, and armies, to eradicate His record through the ages since.
A higher caliber of men than these, in general, have been the great scientists of the sixteenth through the nineteenth centuries. Men like Isaac Newton (the "father of classical mechanics," inventor of the calculus, etc), Louis Pasteur, Blaise Pascal, Galileo, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Lord Kelvin, Johannes Keppler (the "father of modern astronomy"), etc, were, even more than they were scientists, men who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and were therefore avid Bible students and scholars .
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Bob
Christ Died to Save You
J A - 01 May 2008 00:57 GMT Most of the stuff you posted is nonsense.
Historians of the period didn't note anything about "jesus", and don't try to pretend he was ignored becasue the historians were evil pagans or whatever.
Romans were very superstitious and generally respected and adopted features from other religions. .
Heres' a jewish thrologian's view of jesus.
Jesus as the Messiah? by Rabbi Shraga Simmons Question: Why did the majority of the Jewish world reject Jesus as the Messiah, and why did the first Christians accept Jesus as the Messiah?
Answer
It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus.
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Gentiles
7) Bringing the Messiah
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1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH
A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.
B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
C. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
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3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.
A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."
C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."
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4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation -- i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us -- who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination, and the one most familiar to the Western world.
A. GOD AS THREE?
The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.
B. MAN AS GOD?
Christians believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)xxx
monkfish - 01 May 2008 01:01 GMT > Most of the stuff you posted is nonsense. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jesus as the Messiah? by Rabbi Shraga Simmons To trust a rabbi enough to quote him, you probably should believe in God.
BTW you keep on posting this. That's called spamming.
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J A - 01 May 2008 01:21 GMT >> Most of the stuff you posted is nonsense. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > To trust a rabbi enough to quote him, > you probably should believe in God. That's stupid.
I quoted him becasue he's an expert on what his religion says about the subject.
> BTW you keep on posting this. > That's called spamming. By the way, no it isn't, and one example of your dishonsety is how you tamper with groups addressed.
Go away.
monkfish - 01 May 2008 01:40 GMT >>> Most of the stuff you posted is nonsense. >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Go away. From where?
Is atheism a form of Christianity?
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J A - 01 May 2008 02:09 GMT Phobos - 01 May 2008 01:46 GMT > By the way, no it isn't, and one example of your dishonsety is how you > tamper with groups addressed. > > Go away. Do not feed the troll
Elvis has left the building
monkfish - 01 May 2008 01:50 GMT >> By the way, no it isn't, and one example of your dishonsety is how you >> tamper with groups addressed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Elvis has left the building Still clueless like me?
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J A - 01 May 2008 02:09 GMT >> By the way, no it isn't, and one example of your dishonsety is how you >> tamper with groups addressed. >> >> Go away. > > Do not feed the troll You have a point.
This guys takes the prize in inanity.
> Elvis has left the building Phobos - 01 May 2008 03:19 GMT >> Do not feed the troll > > You have a point. > > This guys takes the prize in inanity. Just think how much fun, if no one feeds him, it would be to watch the inaanities increase as he tries to get fed.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 May 2008 03:23 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForPhobos
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monkfish - 01 May 2008 03:28 GMT >>> Do not feed the troll >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just think how much fun, if no one feeds him, it would be to watch the > inaanities increase as he tries to get fed. Still clueless?
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J A - 01 May 2008 04:23 GMT >>> Do not feed the troll >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just think how much fun, if no one feeds him, it would be to watch the > inaanities increase as he tries to get fed. ;--))
monkfish - 01 May 2008 03:29 GMT >>>> Do not feed the troll >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;--)) Still clueless?
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J666 - 01 May 2008 03:39 GMT >>>> Do not feed the troll >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;--)) Remember, hunger is wonderful (formerly good), so do not feed the trolls and keep them hungry
monkfish - 01 May 2008 03:52 GMT >>>>> Do not feed the troll >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Remember, hunger is wonderful (formerly good), so do not feed the trolls > and keep them hungry Did you change your email address to get out of my killfile? Still clueless?
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 May 2008 04:02 GMT http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
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Mike Painter - 01 May 2008 06:43 GMT >>> By the way, no it isn't, and one example of your dishonsety is how >>> you tamper with groups addressed. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This guys takes the prize in inanity. HA! I used that word on Suzanne and she argued for days that I had left the "s" out. Seems she had never come across the word in a crossword puzzle...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 May 2008 02:26 GMT friend bwmey...@toast.net wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > Christ Died to Save You... ... who have not blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:
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J A - 01 May 2008 02:38 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc21@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message news:91303ec2-
>> ******************************** >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ... who have not blasphemed against the Holy Spirit: Andrew, two points:
1) in terms of the commandments you say you believe in, you "blaspheme" all the time, pretending to be receiving messages from "god(s)", and knowing what "god(s)" wants, condemning other people in the name of god(s).
2) shouldn't you be getting those IRS reporting forms posted or sent to that person that made a legal demand for them?
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/KnowingHIM > > <>< > > http:/HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
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