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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / May 2008Jesus is love
Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!" Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark 16:16. Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What sort of love is that? The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make it obvious to you: God is imaginary. > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and > Mark 16:16. Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity. Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him. You seem to be confusing the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to get. > Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the > Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on > your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all > eternity. Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity. > What sort of love is that? > The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should > make it obvious to you: God is imaginary. The silliness comes from trying to fit your rather jaundiced preconceptions of Christian belief into a logical argument. Speaking of logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is non sequitur, don't you? > > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is > non sequitur, don't you? O Lord please don't burn us, don't gril or toast your flock. Don't put us on the barbecue, or simmer us in stock. Don't braise or bake or boil us or stir fry us in a wok. Oh please don't lightly poach us or bast us with hot fat. Don't fricassee or roast us or boil us in a vat, and please don't stick thy servant Lord in a Rotissomat. Amen Oh please pray tell us just which version of Christianity you subscribe to --- There are so many with mutually contradictory dogma it's hard to keep track. On second thought, never mind. I've read your Bible several times and besides from being a completely unbelievable tome it tells the story of a petulant god bent on destroying people. In fact, I'll most likely ignore any response you are likely to give, after having a hearty laugh over the nonsense you spew. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns ;-) Not Satan and not dead. Not even ill. Disappointed? Frustrated? Depressed? Idiotic? Yes you are! > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is your brain is dead too :-) > If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is your > brain is dead too :-) Can God be dead? >> If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is >> your >> brain is dead too :-) > > Can God be dead? What or whomever you idealize is your god or devil. A lot of atheists worship death and seek oblivion. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns >>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > likely ignore any response you are likely to give, after having a > hearty laugh over the nonsense you spew. Small clue. It's the Bible hat doesn't include the gibberish you gave us above about rotisseries and what not. >>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Small clue. It's the Bible hat doesn't include the gibberish you gave us above > about rotisseries and what not. What bible is that? I have many, maybe I do not have yours. >>>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> > What bible is that? I have many, maybe I do not have yours. (N)KJV/JB/NEB/NIV/RSV/TEV - take your pick - none of them have this stuff. >>>>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>>>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > (N)KJV/JB/NEB/NIV/RSV/TEV - take your pick - none of them have this stuff. Andrew, why do you keep doing that to yourself. It is in all of your versions. These passages represent only a few of them. Do you do any study at all on what you believe? Have you ever actually read any portion of the bible? Luke 16:22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried. 23. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame. Matthew 13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and them that do iniquity, 42. and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Matthew 25:41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels: Revelation 20:15. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. >>>>>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>>>>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, > and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame. Is a parable > Matthew 13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they > shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Revelation 20:15. And if any was not found written in the book of > life, he was cast into the lake of fire. None of which refer to eternal suffering. Put something into a fire and it is destroyed and gone. > >>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > >>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Small clue. It's the Bible hat doesn't include the gibberish you gave > us above about rotisseries and what not. The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have. What Bible do you read? > The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the > Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have. > > What Bible do you read? The Chible of the Celestial Chicken does not have all that hell fire and brimstone but barbecuing with charcoal. The Celestial Chicken is the WAY - Do what you know is good and right and spwnd time with family and friends and enjoy life. >> The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the >> Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Celestial Chicken is the WAY - Do what you know is good and right and > spwnd time with family and friends and enjoy life. Is grilling with gas ok? I prefer gas. > Is grilling with gas ok? I prefer gas. Oh yes, that is what makes the Celestial Chicken WAY the way to go - the details and rituals of cooking the chicken are not important. No blessing before eating chicken is needed as the simple act of eating the chicken is all that is needed - actions do speak louder than words. It is good grilled with charcoal, wood and gas and also good broiled, boiled, fried, baked, roasted and any other way. The simple truth is that the WAY of the Celestial Chicken is the WAY. >> Is grilling with gas ok? I prefer gas. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The simple truth is that the WAY of the Celestial Chicken is the WAY. Let me add that the chicken has a friend, it's called roasted corn with butter! PRAISE BE THE CELESTIAL CHICKEN!!! amen. PRAISE BE THE ROASTED CORN! amen. > Let me add that the chicken has a friend, it's called roasted corn with > butter! > PRAISE BE THE CELESTIAL CHICKEN!!! amen. > PRAISE BE THE ROASTED CORN! amen. Yes, chicken goes great with many things and in many recipes. The Christian God gave one son for us one time 2000 years ago whereas the Celestial Chicken does it millions of times every day - which one loves us more. >> Let me add that the chicken has a friend, it's called roasted corn with >> butter! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Celestial Chicken does it millions of times every day - which one loves us > more. THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN!!!! I LOVE THE CHICKEN! and turkey too! As you so say, the chicken gets along with others it is the true definition of caring concern for all mankind! PRAISE BE THE CHICKEN! FOR TONIGHT I WILL BE GRILLING! http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN!!!! I LOVE THE CHICKEN! and turkey > too! > As you so say, the chicken gets along with others it is the true definition > of > caring concern for all mankind! > PRAISE BE THE CHICKEN! FOR TONIGHT I WILL BE GRILLING! When asking what some meat tastes like, how many times is like chicken!!!!! >>>> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsys...@juno.com> sai > d: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the > Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have. Not carefully enough, I fear. The Old Testament is certainly not full of "Hellfire" (a word which does not exist in any version of the Bible) or Brimstone (which occurs 15 times - 7 in Revelation). Overwhelmingly in the Old Testament the word "Hell" translates the Hebrew term "She-ol", which did not involve suffering of any kind. Hence none of the OT references to brimstone are in reference to Hell. The only NT reference outwith Revelation to brimstone is in Luke, where again the reference is not to Hell > What Bible do you read? Several. Some of it in the original languages. > >>>> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsys...@juno.com> sai > > d: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Several. Some of it in the original languages. Play semantical games as you wish. That seems to be the way Christians wiggle around when they have to face the cruelty and evil of their God(s). Goodbye! >>>> On 2008-04-24 00:46:51 +0100, Mike Mordant <mikemord...@yahoo.com> said > : [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > > Goodbye! You mean you don't like it when we point out that the Bible doesn't actually say what you think it says? Bye. >>>>> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsys...@juno.com> sai >> d: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > are in reference to Hell. The only NT reference outwith Revelation to > brimstone is in Luke, where again the reference is not to Hell Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is. The concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution. >> What Bible do you read? > > Several. Some of it in the original languages. >> Not carefully enough, I fear. The Old Testament is certainly not full >> of "Hellfire" (a word which does not exist in any version of the Bible) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is. > The concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution. Well of course it is! Thinking evolves and changes. Anything else would be blind unreasoning cant. A 21st Century Christian understands the Bible differently from an 11th Century Christian in EXACTLY the same way that a 21st Century scientist understands the world differently from an 11th Century scientist. That's inevitable - for faith to be something other than a statement belief it has to be owned and personal. >>> Not carefully enough, I fear. The Old Testament is certainly not full of >>> "Hellfire" (a word which does not exist in any version of the Bible) or [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > scientist. That's inevitable - for faith to be something other than a > statement belief it has to be owned and personal. That is where you are wrong. The only thing different in today's christian from a medieval christian is that today churches are shying from scientific teachings. The reason is clear. The average person has now a better grasp as to science than in medieval times. Religions had to make a change or loose its grip on society. You ask any christian today on the street, what is hell. If you go there will you live for ever in torment. The answer will always be hell is a place of torment of ever burning fires, you will spend eternity in that place. That is what is being taught period. That is how it has been taught, and if history proves itself out again will be taught. That in it self shows that no one is being led by prayer, if that were the case there would only be one religion, one church. The bible is no more divine word of god than the book scarlet letter. It is made up in mans mind and used by man to control man. It is not the infallible proof of a god. It is not an historical account of world history or creation. It is fiction period and should be used for that purpose only. If there is a god, that god would not be using this book or any concepts in this book to manifest it's self to humankind. That is obvious. That is why I reject your god. >>> Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is. >>> The concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > christian from a medieval christian is that today churches are shying > from scientific teachings. That is a joke, of course. Sure, there a fundamentalists who have problems with science - and it's people like you who spread this kind of misinformation who help add to their numbers. The fact is, though, that EVERY major denomination of Christianity has no problem with science whatsoever. There may be reservations about scientific ethics in certain areas, but NO major denomination of Christianity "shies away from scientific teachings". > The reason is clear. The average person has now a better grasp as to > science than in medieval times. As a science teacher, I would hope so. > Religions had to make a change or loose its grip on society. You ask > any christian today on the street, what is hell. If you go there will > you live for ever in torment. The answer will always be hell is a place > of torment of ever burning fires, you will spend eternity in that > place. That is what is being taught period. Really? Not in the churches I frequent. Nor is it a topic of conversation in any of the courts of the church I belong to. I can't remember having heard a sermon that mentioned it in the 21 years that I've been a Christian. You really have to stop trawling fundamentalist websites and taking what they say as typical of Christianity as a whole. > That is how it has been taught, and if history proves itself out again > will be taught. That in it self shows that no one is being led by > prayer, if that were the case there would only be one religion, one > church. That's right. We are not "led" in that way. We have independent minds and we think things through in our own ways, so sometimes we disagree and there are divisions. Do you have some kind of problem with independent thinking? > The bible is no more divine word of god than the book scarlet letter. The Bible itself says that it was written by human beings. > It is made up in mans mind and used by man to control man. It is not > the infallible proof of a god. Obviously. Nobody outside the crazed little band you seem to have in mind thinks it is. > It is not an historical account of world history or creation. No. It isn't. > It is fiction period and should be used for that purpose only. No. It is not fiction. To describe something as "fiction" implies that the author is creating a narrative that he knows to be untrue. This cannot be shown to be the case with regard to the Bible. Indeed, whole swathes of the Bible are not narrative in any sense of the word. What sense does it make to apply the word "fiction" to songs? Or letters? Or collections of sayings? Or poems? > If there is a god, that god would not be using this book or any > concepts in this book to manifest it's self to humankind. That is > obvious. That is why I reject your god. You clearly have no concept whatever of "our" God. > >>>> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <supportsys...@juno.com> sai > > d: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Several. Some of it in the original languages. Heres a few samples of what the kind loving God of the Christians is like when he gets angry. Genesis 6:13 Exodus 17:10-13 Exodus 21:17 Exodus 22:18 Exodus 22:19 Exodus 31:15 Leviticus 24:16 (Jehovah is a filthy git!) I'm still typing so I guess he was asleep for that one! Exodus 32:7-14 Exodus 32: 25-35 Exodus 30: 11-16 Leviticus 10: 1-2 Leviticus 20:13 Numbers 11:4-5 ; 31-34 Numbers 16 Numbers 25:1-9 Deuteronomy 13:6-9 Deuteronomy 28:15-68 There are many many more examples. Yes I've read it all and unlike you don't gloss over the parts that are ugly. > Heres a few samples of what the kind loving God of the Christians is > like when he gets angry. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes I've read it all and unlike you don't gloss over the parts that > are ugly. The Celestial Chicken teaches getting together with family and friends for a chicken dinner not threats. >>>> On 2008-04-24 00:46:51 +0100, Mike Mordant <mikemord...@yahoo.com> said > : [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > Yes I've read it all and unlike you don't gloss over the parts that > are ugly. Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. > >>>> On 2008-04-24 00:46:51 +0100, Mike Mordant <mikemord...@yahoo.com> said > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of > the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. Well then it's not the word of God is it. If it's not the word of God then its just another book which one may take or leave. I'll leave it. >> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of >> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'll leave it. The Chible, of the Celestial Chicken, you can believe. >> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of >> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. > > Well then it's not the word of God is it. The Bible was written by human beings. The Bible says it was written by human beings. When Christians (or, most Christians - mustn't forget the fundies!) speak of being 'the word of God' they don't mean that he literally dictated it in some way. > If it's not the word of God > then its just another book which one may take or leave. Of course you can take it or leave it. If it has no value or meaning or value to you then it is, indeed, "just another book". For us, though, it is (one of) the means by which we encounter God. > I'll leave it. Your choice. > >> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of > >> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Your choice. Taking it is a silly thing to do if it's just somebody else's idea about God. This has been an amusing exchange. I never ceases to amaze me how shallow most Christian's beliefs really are, yet many want to impose them on others. At least there's no condemnation in your posts. >>>> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of >>>> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Taking it is a silly thing to do if it's just somebody else's idea > about God. It is if you don't reflect on it and engage with it questioningly. On the other hand, we learn from one another by listening to other people's ideas about the world, do we not? > This has been an amusing exchange. I never ceases to amaze me how > shallow most Christian's beliefs really are, yet many want to impose > them on others. At least there's no condemnation in your posts. I try. Sometimes it's sorely tempting. Your posts are civil and polite, which makes it easy. Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan > Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the > righteous into life eternal. Amen. <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscerningHeart Begin Scripture reading --> Matthew 25:31-46. "When the Son of Man comes in HIS glory, and all the angels with HIM, HE will sit on HIS throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before HIM, and HE will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. HE will put the sheep on HIS right and the goats on HIS left. Then the King will say to those on HIS right, 'Come, you who are blessed by MY Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave ME something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave ME something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited ME in, I needed clothes and you clothed ME, I was sick and you looked after ME, I was in prison and you came to visit ME.' Then the righteous will answer HIM, 'LORD, when did we see YOU hungry and feed YOU, or thirsty and give YOU something to drink? When did we see YOU a stranger and invite YOU in, or needing clothes and clothe YOU? When did we see YOU sick or in prison and go to visit YOU?' The KING will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of MINE, you did for ME.' Then HE will say to those on his left, 'Depart from ME, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave ME nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave ME nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite ME in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe ME, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after ME.' They also will answer, 'LORD, when did we see YOU hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help YOU?' HE will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for ME.' Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." ******* end Scripture reading****** Selah The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are doing what GOD desires... ... HE wants us to be righteous: http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight This is HIS will. GOD's will be done here on earth as it is in heaven. And, so we are righteous without being aware of it. There is much that GOD does through our hearts, which is HIS temple, without the awareness of our minds. The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special... ... we are simply forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ Here is the open invitation for all, who are not eternally condemned, to become our brethren after publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but > the righteous into life eternal. No reference to physical torment. Exile, perhaps? >> Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the >> righteous into life eternal. > > No reference to physical torment. Exile, perhaps? It shows you the contradiction. What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us pagans?? >> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Christian belief into a logical argument. Speaking of logic, by the way, you > do realise that the last clause in your post is non sequitur, don't you? > What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us pagans?? Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the Gospel you're working from, I can't be sure. >>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is >> non sequitur, don't you? >> What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us >> pagans?? > > Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the Gospel > you're working from, I can't be sure. Canonical or Non-canonical, your choice. >>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>> of Christian belief into a logical argument. Speaking of logic, by the way, >>> you do realise that the last clause in your post is non sequitur, don't you? > > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not > mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity. Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows Christianity then the above certainly applies > Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him. The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough for a thinking person using logic methinks ! You seem to be confusing > the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about > as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity. Well not exactly, but after his death there's no doubt 'He' goes to heaven and sits next to god for eternity and whilst on the cross calls out [so the myth writers would have us understand] Father Father why hast thou forsaken me ? Which all adds up to the same thing It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it? > > What sort of love is that? > > The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is > non sequitur, don't you? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns This is Jesus's love??? Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free will'. This is totally specious. 'Free will' does not imply or require the existence of evil conduct. free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will. A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil. He already created other limitations on man's 'free will'. He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate. (Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!) Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie, subjugate and even kill other men? This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the characteristics of a loving god. Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods, Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way? Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children" to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation? God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's 'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by other animals? Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks, jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill and eat other animals to survive? World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths. World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more millions maimed for life. The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally INNOCENT children! There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th. and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and totally innocent children. The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and innocent children indiscriminately. Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and malnutrition. These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of all religious persuasions. Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling, purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation systems including flying through the air. Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods. Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents, siblings and friends? (Or this god?) There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men. If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth. The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite; that man created gods! I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations. >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan > > This is Jesus's love??? No. The above is a link to a usenet post about satan. > Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free > will'. Irrelevant. It remain my choice to not be religious. Christianity is not a religion but rather is a relationship with the risen LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist Bottom line: You continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self). This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBill Our doing this is out of Christian love for you. <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love >> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not >> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity. > > Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows > Christianity then the above certainly applies Really? 500 years ago, maybe. Do keep up. >> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him. > > The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough > for a thinking person using logic methinks ! That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand. > You seem to be confusing >> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Which all adds up to the same thing Not at all - I really don't see the argument you're making here. > It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it? It would be, if this included any. > >> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not > >> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The > point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand. Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove that it exists. So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what ? What is the point here? Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer just to your particular brand. A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont. Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs, confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all made up by man in the first place. > > You seem to be confusing > >> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > It would be, if this included any. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD >> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The >> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove > that it exists. Which verbiage means very little. > So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on > face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even > though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what > ? What is the point here? It's entirely the point. The OP insisted that Jesus made such a demand and that such a demand would not be in keeping with love. As the former is untrue, the latter falls. > Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand > religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all > made up by man in the first place. Inevitably human beings interpret God to some degree in human terms. All such terms, though, should be regarded as analogy rather than analytical fact. > >> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The > >> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Which verbiage means very little. It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a psychological viewpoint. It gets people posting comments like yours above. Think about it > > So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on > > face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > All such terms, though, should be regarded as analogy rather than > analytical fact. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Crazysatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Enlightens >> Which verbiage means very little. > > It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following > non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a > psychological viewpoint. I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology. > It gets people posting comments like yours above. Think > about it > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology. Pretending and fakery is satan's style: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Pretendersatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly > I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology. Many babble in areas in which they are not trained - just look at Chungy, that has never stopped him. http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppet <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan > http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets > http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySatan [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan > http://HeartMDPhD.com/StupidSatan Lets see - there are 4 http://HeartMDPhD.com/Imbecilesatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly > >> Which verbiage means very little. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology. 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on or a system of it [P.O.D.] > > It gets people posting comments like yours above. Think > > about it >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on > or a system of it [P.O.D.] I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent any time studying the subject. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent > any time studying the subject. The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind because true love is found in the hearts of our souls. Those who suffer from the delusion that love resides in the mind never find it. Such is the evil of satan's lies: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind > because true love is found in the hearts of our souls. What is a heart doing pumping blood in our spiritual soul? Your either delusional or drunk! Those who > suffer from the delusion that love resides in the mind never find it. > Such is the evil of satan's lies: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBill <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > true love is found in the hearts of our souls And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan Lying is satins native language? Religion speaks it quite well also. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan > > Lying is satins native language? Lying is satan's native language. > Religion speaks it quite well also. Religion does not speak. Your errors simply show that you are guided by the spirit of error (self) so that you are among the lost: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more special... ... we are simply forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow re: Publicly with my my mouth, I Beleive In God. > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:32:36 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote > (in message [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved. If the donor had a hot wife, do you get her, too? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following > >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent > any time studying the subject. Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc. The are/were people restless to inquire into the workings of the human mind, trying to ferret out why we behave the way we do and why we do what we do. For example, right up to date, an Austrian male reported yesterday as having fathered seven children with his own daughter - that kind of thing. There are two basic viewpoints. The human mind is a kind of divine creation, not perfect but all the same something different and special, set apart from the minds [brains] of other living things, and; The human brain is an exception to the evolutionary rule, some even say a freak within the scope of nature, recognising as we do the difficulty in observing the human mind as the only tool available to do this is, regrettably, just another mind. A favorite tool is the Bell Curve where human attributes are measured and plotted on a graph. The simplest is a classroom of boys who are measured for height. The very shortest will fall within the left hand bottom curve of the bell shape and the ultra tall in the opposite lower corner of the bell, the average make up the sides and top [the body] of the bell. If itelligence or IQ is used we get a similar shape. Very basic, but if we could measure 'religious tendency' the same would apply, far on the right would be the ultra religious person [the fundamentalist], whilst the rest of the RH side of the bell would be normal religious types swinging left to those who do not care about gods and on the far left people like me. If nothing else it shows how different we all are and that at the end of the day none of us are right, even though we would like to think we are. Who shall decide, when doctors disagree [Pope] http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns >> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non >> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung, > Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc. Hard to believe. What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs to the point of loving even our enemies?  Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > >> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non > >> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs > to the point of loving even our enemies? what is the point of answering your posts? > -- > monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. >> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs >> to the point of loving even our enemies? > > what is the point of answering your posts? You will learn to be grateful for everything. Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > >> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs > >> to the point of loving even our enemies? > > > > what is the point of answering your posts? > > You will learn to be grateful for everything. I am very grateful to the 'DELETE' button <PRESS> > -- > monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love Yes that is the origins of banal beliefs, repeat claims often enough even intelligent people will believe them. That is what Hitler's propaganda chief said 'Tell the masses a big lie often enpough and in time they will all beleive it" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly Repetition does not a god create. If there s a god it should show, like your book claims it showed to Moses over two thousand years ago. What's wrong? God lost some of 'his' powers !? Or is it all a gigantic swindle justified by man made myths ? Smile http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love > http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet > > <>< > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love God should.................. Speak to someone today as it is claimed 'god' spoke to Moses on the mountain top. Show itself to someone today; as it is claimed God 'revealed' itself to Moses on the mountain top. (The biblical claim - And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.) Create another son of god and have him sort out the current international mess that makes the world of Jesus seem like paradise by comparison. This new 'Son of God' can then do more of the following: A) Walk on water B) Cure a selected number of cripples and lepers - not all of them of course, since this was not the case before. [And we know why don't we?] C) Feed the world with five loaves and fishes in readiness for the forecasted serious food shortage, particularly in Africa where thousands are currently starving. D) Prevent tsunamis of the kind we saw two years back which swept over two thousand innocent children out to sea to drown, leaving behind around six thousand life long grieving relatives. E) Heal another epileptic boy and another Centurion's servant. [This time let's make it a 'politicians servant] And he should heal *every* epileptic boy and *every* politicians servant that is about to die, rather than an opportunistic one This should be enough for starters. >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/DepressedSockPuppet >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > This should be enough for starters. Still clueless? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. -- The best way to handle spams is to ignore them. But if you must reply to them, you should at least set the followup-to header to something other than your own newsgroup. Clueless and foolish: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMonkfish >> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following >> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many > books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc. "Jesus is love" because "God is love". See below Pastor Frank Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations of love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3) > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make > it obvious to you: God is imaginary. Jesus is love? So why are christians a.sholes? Shouldn't they be copying him? SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 > > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: > > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Jesus is love? So why are christians a.sholes? Shouldn't they be copying > him? If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves: http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns On Apr 24, 12:41 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves: > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist Chung, your the one that goes around condemning everybody as Satan. Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: You go around telling EVERYBODY they are sock puppets, Satans, worthless and a dozen other childish little names in your two link spams. I politely asked you to reserve your post to one thread and your 1st grade response was to call me Satan. Jesus saves us from sin, not from acting like a irresponsible jerk accusing everybody. What would the message boards be like if everybody went around acting like you and just placed DOZENS of post with NOTHING but a couple of links? Get help and stop spamming, Snow http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam?msg=new&lnk=gcis Leave a good joke or post your comments about Chung. KFC 31:10 And Chung said, "Let my nuggets go", Be Hungry. But there were certain moo's that when they saw the superchick, they battered him till he fried. A return to first principles in a republic is sometimes caused by the simple virtues of one man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Niccolo Machiavelli http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns On Apr 23, 11:54 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: <Chung Dung snipped> Do you know the secret to mental health?; to being successful in life in raising a family, having healthy relationships, working well with others? If one is not able to get along with the day to day tasks of living successfully in this present life then one has no hope of managing the spiritual side of life. If one doesn't have the capacity for self discovery and honest reflection in this life then one hasn't much to look forward to in the next life. Are you living in an honest fashion with integrity? What kind of karma do you have? Have you generated light or just heat? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Insanesatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns >>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement: >>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves: Ahhhh...but thou forgets the tower of babel, and the main reason that it was struck down, dost thou not ? We hav |
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