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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / April 2008Daily Spirit-guided thought for 04/21/08.
http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com/117039.html May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier Marana tha Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow On Apr 21, 5:15 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com Buy now, supplies are limited. CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and hates it. Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until we all complain about his tactics! Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this immediately. www.anad.org/ and www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/ If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the condition of the people you are delivering the message to. See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state. Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology” in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the medical community. Dr. Yamantaka Says, He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum community standards. Mike Mordant says: Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000 and $280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains lawful steward." To that Mr. Chung’s web site states: “after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).” In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little content on the site and nothing of any medical value. So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and everything to do with his desire to derive profits. Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications, > Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last > year ? No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the fellowship training in cardiology. > Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist > who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both > internal and cardiovascular medicine. That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal medicine. Dr. Yamantaka also stated: Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to answer these questions honestly. This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your mental illness and personality disorder. Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified Internist. I am. "Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing VAT. If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support your absurd claims, then stop. His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/ her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd, nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done anonymously. http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/csbme/home/0,2458,26729866,00.html From the website of the Georgia Medical Board: What is unprofessional conduct? According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes "any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care." In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping, not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment (mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and 360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct for which a licensee may be disciplined. File a Complaint Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Enforcement Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404) 656-9723 http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,26729866_27513604_27080031,00.html About… CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Physician Profile 040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009 Cardiovascular Disease/ Cardiology NONE Congrats - you've managed to successfully upset Chang now by: a) posting his address on a public newsgroup b) chunging the titles of his posts c) exposing the motive behind his continued daily spam d) and calling him Mr Chang ;) I think everyone ought to know what he is all about. Keep it up. On Apr 21, 5:15 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com Buy now, supplies are limited. CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Notice that Chung doesn’t address a single issue he’s been called up on. Change the titles on threads he post, he’s a control freak and hates it. Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until we all complain about his tactics! Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you to stop this immediately. www.anad.org/ and www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/ If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the condition of the people you are delivering the message to. See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state. Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology” in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the medical community. Dr. Yamantaka Says, He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum community standards. Mike Mordant says: Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000 and $280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains lawful steward." To that Mr. Chung’s web site states: “after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).” In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little content on the site and nothing of any medical value. So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and everything to do with his desire to derive profits. Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications, > Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last > year ? No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the fellowship training in cardiology. > Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist > who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both > internal and cardiovascular medicine. That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal medicine. Dr. Yamantaka also stated: Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to answer these questions honestly. This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your mental illness and personality disorder. Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified Internist. I am. "Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing VAT. If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support your absurd claims, then stop. His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/ her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd, nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done anonymously. http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/csbme/home/0,2458,26729866,00.html From the website of the Georgia Medical Board: What is unprofessional conduct? According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes "any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care." In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping, not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment (mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and 360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct for which a licensee may be disciplined. File a Complaint Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Enforcement Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404) 656-9723 http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,26729866_27513604_27080031,00.html About… CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA 5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B | MABLETON, GA 30126 (404) 699-2780 Physician Profile 040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009 Cardiovascular Disease/ Cardiology NONE http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMark <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels The book of Numbers tells of how God incited Moses to attack the Medinanites. The Israelite army killed all the men and destroyed the citys, but they failed to kill the Medinanite women and children. This infuriated Moses and he gave orders that all the boy children should be killed, and all women killed unless they were virgins. These biblical stories advocate genocide. They set precedent for it and put God's authority behind it. The book of Joshua all about genocide. The wiping out of populations so that the Israelites could claim the land for themselves, under God's orders. That's essentially the same thing as Hitler intended to do, and did partially for a time, in his invasions into Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. According to Leviticus 20, offenses meriting death: cursing your parents; committing adultery; sex with your stepmother or your daughter-in-law; homosexuality; marrying a woman and her daughter; bestiality; working on the Sabbath. According to the Bible, if a man finds his wife is not a virgin at marriage, he can have her stoned to death. The Bible is a strange book - it's not a guide for actual human history, or ethics for humans. On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:00:42 -0500, J A wrote > The Bible is a strange book - it's not a guide for actual human history, or > ethics for humans. Would the Bible be X-rated if a movie? > The book of Numbers tells of how God incited Moses to attack the > Medinanites. The Israelite army killed all the men and destroyed the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > The Bible is a strange book - it's not a guide for actual human history, > or ethics for humans. Would you expect thousands years old interpretation of a theorem to be applicable to modern mathematics? Would you expect thousands years old interpretation of an ethical rule to be directly applicable to modern society? To understand God of the old testament, we need to figure out what language God speaks. God said something to Moses and he interpreted it in his own way to mean something expressible in his language. But what did God actually say? Better yet, what does God say to you here and now?  Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > Would you expect thousands years old interpretation > of a theorem to be applicable to modern mathematics? Pythagoras 500 BC - The Irrationality of the Square Root of 2 Archimedes 225 BC - The Area of a Circle Euclid 400 BC - The Infinitude of Primes, The Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic, The Perfect Number Theorem and otherrs >> Would you expect thousands years old interpretation of a theorem to be >> applicable to modern mathematics? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Euclid 400 BC - The Infinitude of Primes, The Fundamental Theorem of > Arithmetic, The Perfect Number Theorem and otherrs Sometime we get lucky. A society should take care of widows and orphans. Jeremiah 49:11 (New International Version) "Leave your orphans; I will protect their lives. Your widows too can trust in me." Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. >> Would you expect thousands years old interpretation >> of a theorem to be applicable to modern mathematics? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Euclid 400 BC - The Infinitude of Primes, The Fundamental Theorem of > Arithmetic, The Perfect Number Theorem and otherrs Things like mathematics are constant and reproducilble over the ages unlike many of the religious beliefs. > > The book of Numbers tells of how God incited Moses to attack the > > Medinanites. The Israelite army killed all the men and destroyed the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Would you expect thousands years old interpretation > of a theorem to be applicable to modern mathematics? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. Defined by Euclid, the "Golden Ratio" (1.6180339887... / 1) is still sound basis for visually pleasing design. >> > The book of Numbers tells of how God incited Moses to attack the >> > Medinanites. The Israelite army killed all the men and destroyed the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Defined by Euclid, the "Golden Ratio" (1.6180339887... / 1) is still > sound basis for visually pleasing design. Sure, 1+1 is still 2, if you are into that sort of thing. Are we still supposed to love and honor our parents? Even if you are an atheist and they are stupid Christians? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMonkFish <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. > > Defined by Euclid, the "Golden Ratio" (1.6180339887... / 1) is > still sound basis for visually pleasing design. Yes it is. If there is a God, He speaks in the language of mathematics and is fleunt in the languages of physics, chemistry and biology. http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/herman/archive/herman-20080422.html satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: > satan via another sockpuppet despairingly posted: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If there is a God, He speaks in the language of mathematics and is fleunt in > the languages of physics, chemistry and biology. Fields of mathematical and scientific study are not themselves languages. Bottom line: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Erroneoussatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted: >> satan via another sockpuppet despairingly posted: Iteration? You make me laugh. I don't know what I would do without you to brighten my day with comments that stupid. > Bottom line: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhuD.com/FruitBeatsVeggies http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flailingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD copied and pasted, and was editted yet again: > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/Flailing_with_laughter > > (<o>) > > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/ I feel our relationship is not what it should be. Are you ticklish? > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD copied and pasted, and was editted yet again: >> http://HeartMcPhuD.com/Flailing_with_laughter [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I feel our relationship is not what it should be. > Are you ticklish? I thought you knew Chung was Christian and not Ticklish. Don't those who are Ticklish believe in The Joker as God http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/CrazySockPuppets > > <>< <-- It's Flounder the Fish! > > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/HolySpirit/Warns http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flailingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/FlailingFlounders > > <>< <-- Flounder returns! > > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/FlounderingChung Mmmmmm, fish for dinner. >> http://HeartMcPhuD.com/FlailingFlounders >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mmmmmm, fish for dinner. Aha! But don't eat too much....... Smiler, The godles one a.a.# 2279 http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/Despairing/Chung > > <>< <--- Still a Flounder. It does not evolve. > > http://HeartMcPhuD.com/Thereisno/HolySpirit Our love grows stronger with each message. Are you hungry for me too? http://HeartMDPhD.com/Flounderingsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan > http://HeartMDPhuD.com/Flounderingsatan > > <>< <--- Flounder no more, my little fish > > http://HeartMDPhuD.com/TruthIsChungsLoveForThePoW I had asked 'Our love grows stronger with each message. Are you hungry for me too? ' I take your reply as big YES. You must type the words you know you want to: "I love you Preventer of Work" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/GreatAssembly >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD copied and pasted, and was editted yet again: >>> http://HeartMcPhuD.com/Flailing_with_laughter [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Don't those who are Ticklish believe in The Joker as God Did someone call? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 http://HeartMDPhD.com/Worthlesssatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns >> Don't those who are Ticklish believe in The Joker as God > > Did someone call? The Joker is a wild card in the Ticklish faith. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If there is a God, He speaks in the language of mathematics and is fleunt in > the languages of physics, chemistry and biology. Yes, all those make up the languages of science which determines and explains how everything in the universe works. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes, all those make up the languages of science which determines and > explains how everything in the universe works. God also speaks in the language of love. Where were we? Not sure, but here we go again. Do you think we humans have created the scientific method? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. WRONG - You have bought in to the lie told by perverts and fags that God is love. http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/reports/20060331_god-loves-everyone-lie.pdf On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/reports/20060331_god-loves-everyone-lie.pdf Sorry, I don't follow links. State your position in a very short paragraph, please. Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. Read your Bible - Sorry I don't change my message for FAGS and FAG ENABLERS. On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:12:03 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Read your Bible - Sorry I don't change my message for FAGS and FAG > ENABLERS. Is this the way you love your enemies? You are at least trying to love your enemies, aren't you? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. Introduction “God loves everyone” is the theology that is touted by every major so- called “Christian” religion in the United States (U.S). Of the more than 600,000 churches and synagogues in the U.S. most, if not all, prescribe to this view of God. It is the hue and cry of this sinful and corrupt generation and the single idea and value that binds the religious community of the U.S. together. Even people who do not attend church and who are not religious agree on this point, so that it unites “believers” and “unbelievers.” Without a doubt “God loves everyone” is universally believed in the Christian world, to the exclusion of all other ideas. II. The Mantra of “God Loves Everyone” “God loves everyone” is used in a never-ending variety of ways as the mantra for this generation. It is used to convey broad ideas of society and religion including: God loves all people God made man to be basically good God does not make junk God is happy and merciful at all times God stands for peace on earth God wants all people to be good God is not judgmental God is accepting of all of his creations God loves all animals and other things God is not responsible for bad things God loves the world and every single living thing that He made God generally allows all people to go to heaven because he loves them God takes no displeasure in the sins of men God is a god of diversity and loving kindness God does not get angry Man cannot do any sin that God will not forgive God freely gives repentance to all God does not hate in any way, he loves God loves the sinner but hates the sin God’s love is unconditional and absolute III. Where is “God Loves Everyone” Found in the Bible? - Nowhere! Have you ever wondered how many times “God loves everyone” is found in the Bible – 20, 50, 100, 200? Have you ever wondered if it appears in the New Testament or Old Testament or both? Have you ever wondered who said these words or who they are attributable to? Have you ever wondered how many times Jesus said “God loves everyone?” As a matter of uncontroverted fact, the phrase “God loves everyone,” or any version of that phrase, is not in the Bible. As a matter of uncontroverted fact the phrase “God loves everyone” never appears in the Bible. You can search from Genesis to Revelation, including looking in all 66 books, 1,189 chapters, 31,173 verses and 774,746 words and you will never find this phrase. Period. In other words, the most famous Christian notion of God that is repeated 2 without measure or limit in this evil and adulterous generation is never found in the Bible. IV. The John 3:16 “God Loves Everyone” Fraud John 3:16 is always cited as support for “God loves everyone,” but of course, the verse does not say these words. Below is the full passage that shows the context of this oft-referenced verse: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent hot his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved... 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God. 19 And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.20 For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Notice that the verse does not say, “God loves everyone.” It says that whosoever (not every person, but those that believe, however many they be) believeth should not perish but have eternal life. Verse 15 is always conveniently left out of the equation when this verse is quoted because it is restrictive and does not suit the purpose of “god love’s everyone.” “For God so loved the world” refers to the fact that Jesus was speaking to a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews (John 16:1) who believed that only the Jews were saved to the exclusion of the rest of the world. John 3:18 and 19 clear up any question about the matter. It says that he that does not believe is condemned already and that even though light (salvation/Jesus) has come to the world (the whole world, not just the Jews), men love darkness (sin/Satan) rather than light, because their deeds are evil. This does not sound like “God loves everyone” but a pronouncement on the evil of man even when presented with the possibility of salvation. John3:16 V. “God Loves Everyone” – A New Doctrine Not Believed by the God- Fearing Puritans of America Before the 20th Century “God loves everyone” was largely a foreign theology to the United States even though they had the same Old Testament and New Testament that we have. The Puritans that stepped off the Mayflower at Plymouth in 1620, and their progeny that inhabited the United States for nearly 300 years, largely did not believe that “God loves everyone.” Whether you call these early Americans, Puritans, Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, or most other 3 Protestant religions in the U.S., they read the Bible daily and believed in the wrath of God and they feared Him greatly. You never see “god love’s everyone” in their sermons or writings. Their books and sermons are full of the doctrine of God’s wrath and judgment because the Bible is full of these notions. In fact, Alexis de Tocqueville, who wrote one of the most famous historical accounts of early America, is reported to have said that the greatness of America was tied to this fear of God by her people: I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers - and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerce - and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution - and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great. Below are quotes from Jonathan Edwards, 1703-1758, one of the most famous American preachers of all time from one of the most famous sermons of all time, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God: There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God…Justice calls aloud for an infinite punishment of their sins. Divine justice says of the tree of that brings forth such grapes of Sodom, “Cut it down, why cumbereth it the ground…” The sword of divine justice is every moment brandished over their heads, and it is nothing but the hand of arbitrary mercy, and God’s mere will, that holds it back. They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do not only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of the law of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that God as fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them and stands against them; so that they are bound over already to hell. John 3:18. “He that believeth not is condemned already.” So that every unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from thence he is, John 8:23 “Ye are from beneath.”… JonathanEdwards They are now the objects of that very same anger and wrath of God, that is express in the torments of hell. And the reason they do not go down to hell at each moment, is not because God, in whose power they are, is not then very angry with them; as he is with many miserable creatures now tormented in hell, who there feel and bear the fierceness of his wrath. Yea, God is a great deal more angry with great numbers that are now on earth…so that it is not because God is unmindful of their wickedness, and does not resent it, and that he does not let loose his hand and cut them off. The wrath of God burns against them, their damnation does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive them; the flames do now rage and glow. That glittering 4 sword is whet, and held over them, and the pit hath opened its mouth under them. VI. In Addition to “God Loves Everyone” Not Being In The Bible, The Bible Speaks Of Billions That Were Killed by the Hand of God and Are Condemned To Hell If God truly “loved everyone” then everyone in the Bible would be loved and admired by God. If this was true you should be able to open the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation and find everyone in the Bible going to heaven and receiving nothing but loving attention from God. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. By Chapter 3 of Genesis the lie is undone, when Satan is described. Certainly mankind can agree that of all creatures, Satan is destined for hell. By Genesis chapter 4 Cain slays righteous Abel. In Genesis chapter 6 God sees that the “wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented de the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man…” Houston, we have a problem! God then destroys the whole earth (Woops!) and everyone on it, except for Noah and his small family, by a Flood, which means many of them died a slow agonizing death after days or even weeks of terror. Not only adults died; infants; elderly; men; women; children; newborns; because everyone perished! And so it goes. You can’t even get out of the first book with out the wrath and judgments of God consuming most of the book. So, it is throughout the Bible. Open it anywhere and you will see the wrath and judgment of God in every book and in nearly every chapter of the Bible. On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > believed in the Christian world, to the exclusion of all other ideas. > [Huge snip] Don't be ridiculous! What is love without hate? It is clear that God hates many things. He says so many times. But I'm not quite sure what He means by that. We will get to that later. It is also clear that WE who are not God, we humans, are supposed to love even our enemies. Do you agree on that? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing > and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. You will get into it later with God, and believe me you will know that he does hate sinners when takes out his vengeance on you! Read your Bible! On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:12 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:01:41 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Read your Bible! It is rather clear that God hates sins; but I'm not sure about sinners. Aren't we all sinners? Are you one of those who says "once saved always saved"? Even so, are you sure you don't have to "love your enemies"? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:12 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > Even so, are you sure you don't have to > "love your enemies"? Love you enemies because god hates his. All said, it'd be best for the world if you just locked god's padded cell and tossed the key down the crapper. >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:12 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > All said, it'd be best for the world if you just locked god's padded > cell and tossed the key down the crapper. God is not easy to understand. But you need Him much more than you realize. You just cannot live well without Him. Would you like to know what God is? Signaturemonkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy. > >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:12 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > God is not easy to understand. First prove there is such an entity. > But you need Him much more than you realize. > You just cannot live well without Him. I've had as good a life as anyone, better than I deserve. > Would you like to know what God is? See above. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan <>< http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/ProofsByGOD >> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:12 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:08 -0700, RevFPhelps wrote: [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > First prove there is such an entity. God is what makes existence possible. >> But you need Him much more than you realize. You just cannot live well >> without Him. > > I've had as good a life as anyone, better than I deserve. Wonderful. Be grateful for everything. Doing so very much like believing in God. >> Would you like to know what God is? > > See above. You already know; you just don't realize you already know. 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